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12:40 AM
apologies for a brief Smokey outage that happened, I kinda broke networking on the box it sits on...
it's all fixed now, but wanted to give you guys my apologies :)
 
Well, thanks for all those other moments when Smokey is up and running. :)
 
I just made my first non-tag-removing/changing edit
 
12:58 AM
@Louis I tried limiting downtime but when I realized I broke networking, I brought a backup up temporarily... though that one was real slow compared to where it is now :P
 
@ThomasWard Ah... I'm wondering whether my comment came across as sarcasm, but I was sincere. I'd rather have Smokey be down every now and then than not have Smokey at all.
 
@Louis Oh, no, interpreted literally as sincere.
That said, I did notice I fubar'd and tried to fix the mistake with the backup
!!/location
 
@ThomasWard teward/Aurora
 
teward/Aurora's it's primary home. when that's down and I launch the backup, teward/ESXi2 is it's secondary backup home
those two sync every other day from Aurora -> ESXi2, so it's never too far behind :P
Basically, shooting myself in the foot by screwing network routes is a bad thing, so blah :P
blurgh I need some more coffee... let me know if Smokey misbehaves again, I'll hit it with a hammer.
 
This may be my favorite question of the day: stackoverflow.com/questions/41389274/…
 
user3956566
1:05 AM
@MikelF lololololol oh I needed that, thanks
 
@ThomasWard if you didn't bring this up I wouldn't have noticed anyway :)
thanks for keeping things running
 
@ThomasWard bot abuser
 
@MikelF and by "hammer" I mean the button that shuts off that VPS :P
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
same author of previous edit
 
@QPaysTaxes Was wondering about that
 
user3956566
I hate that, I've done it once or twice
 
user3956566
tag question not a burninate request only 5 posts
 
@YvetteColomb It just looks like he was disrespecting you :)
 
1:46 AM
@YvetteColomb way too specific yeah, but not outright meta/terrible/ambiguous, so it'll probably stay
 
user3956566
@MikelF haha not at all, he used to call me old and for that I did give him some cyber slaps, but I really don't even think he felt them
 
user3956566
added an edit, my concern was that we can essentially have endless tags. How detailed do we want them?
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes feel free to edit my meta post to best explain what I'm saying and what you commented on. I'm not the best meta author
 
user3956566
well I think your comment expresses what I'm trying to say, about the specificness of the tag
 
user3956566
lol yeh that
 
user3956566
1:51 AM
did you see my comment about you above
 
user3956566
hm
 
user3956566
oh well maybe a bad quesiton
 
@QPaysTaxes in that case we should probably synonymize it with
 
user3956566
@approxiblue my prob is I don't know enough about the topic
 
@QPaysTaxes It burns me that I like to use the stand-alone asio library but that tag belongs to something else.
@QPaysTaxes Not exactly. The 1.11.0 asio build diverges and is much closer to the networking TS
 
user4639281
1:59 AM
@QPaysTaxes y brain left the third b out of that when I read it the first time
 
user4639281
@Yvette you know you just broke my answer right?
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant yeh, just fixed it lol
 
user4639281
lol
 
user3956566
it's the story of my life lately, breaking everything
 
user3956566
good answer, I won't accept it atm, want to see if some other people post, want to know what people think
 
user4639281
2:00 AM
That's OK, a job that was supposed to take 1.4 hours took me 6.5 hours today
 
user4639281
back in a bit
 
user4639281
Don't burn the place down, mmkay?
 
@QPaysTaxes You may not be out of date... the github repository shows the release date for it as 2/2015... with for 1.10.x releases since then...
but it's a developmental build
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant tell me about it.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant pun intended? burninate
 
2:05 AM
and when I did a side by side comparison with the previous networking TS draft, the 1.11 function set was much closer to the standard than the 1.10.x set
 
user3956566
has anyone else added burninate to their dictionary?
 
any my goal was to get a jump on the new standard
rather not learn a new library only to have to jump against when it gets rolled into the language
I am not getting any younger, so I'd like to save some of my tricks
I'm not getting any more of those either
@QPaysTaxes I use a Mac.... it's powered by kittens.
 
2:28 AM
It is spammy...
 
2:39 AM
allavsoft is spam... Let's update our Smokey DB... :D
 
2:51 AM
@approxiblue I would have approved that one. Uppercase keywords add readability
 
@4castle I was too harsh, yeah. I was thinking SQL is case-insensitive so it doesn't matter.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant I have a JS question for you
 
user3956566
is he back?
 
user3956566
or is he front?
 
user3956566
or is he back to front?
 
user4639281
3:09 AM
@YvetteColomb Sup?
 
user3956566
ah good
 
user3956566
we have an asp.net mvc app
 
user3956566
deployed
 
user3956566
when I throttle the network to test load times, there are occassional JS errors coming up
 
user3956566
giving me a 505 error and it's like the controller in the C# is being called, before the data can be passed to it?? or it's not grabbing some other functions from within the bundled JS? Is this possible with throttled times? It does not happen when the internet speed is ok. Would this be a bug in the code?
 
user3956566
3:11 AM
OMG!! That sounds like such a bad SO question!!!!!
 
user3956566
I should go post it now!!!
 
user4639281
Sounds like server dropping requests
 
user4639281
Are there many AJAX requests happening very close together when this happens?
 
505 is "HTTP version not supported"
That shouldn't happen
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant probably
 
user4639281
3:14 AM
@JanDvorak I've had it come up with dropped requests before. Usually when there are a lot of requests being performed at once
 
I would think that defies the HTTP standard.
 
user3956566
hm not so much ajax, but a lot of JS behind the scenes reformatting the page
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak it's only happening on a throttled internet
 
user4639281
@YvetteColomb There has to be AJAX to get a 505 error
 
user3956566
yes there is one ajax call def
 
user4639281
3:15 AM
could you post a screenshot of the errors in the console?
 
Still a violation of the RFC defining what 505 means
 
user3956566
you asked if there were many
 
user3956566
yep
 
user3956566
in another room?
 
user4639281
sure test fac
 
user3956566
3:16 AM
@TinyGiant oh ok, ignore other request
 
3:38 AM
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Q: Burninating [geojason] - this is really just [geojson], right?

dbcRecently I've been fixing questions that contain the string "Jason" but should, instead, contain "JSON". I have just found the tag geojason with 11 questions. I assume that should be geojson with 1,613 questions. Before I retag those 11 questions, I'd like to confirm I'm not making a mistake...

 
3:52 AM
morning!
 
user4639281
!gninrom
 
user3956566
4:10 AM
@AshishAhuja hi
 
5:24 AM
 
@YvetteColomb Stay good!
 
user3956566
@MikelF thanks
 
@YvetteColomb Too late?
 
user3956566
@MikelF now I'm confused.
 
user3956566
sorry working will be back soon, you don't have my full attention
 
5:38 AM
@YvetteColomb I was responding to your idea of posting a bad SO question
 
user3956566
5:50 AM
@MikelF ah
 
@PraveenKumar That is a question. But not a programming question.
> Hey, I want ...
 
6:15 AM
@Tushar LoL Tushar...
Guys ^^^^
This is absurd... All because of you @Tushar... You supported partially!
 
Just close and delete
 
6:48 AM
@PraveenKumar I spoke briefly with the person who posted the answer to that post about the YouTuber. Hopefully I explained enough to them
 
7:18 AM
Ugh...
 
@BhargavRao Dude...
Unfair...
 
You were slow.
 
hehe
 
7:32 AM
@cristanlika I guess you are gonna get banned.
 
@cristanlika Do not ask for votes.
Otherwhise it's byebye cristan.
 
oo sorry
 
There are a lot of moderators here and asking for vote is gonna get you in trouble.
 
thanks @PraveenKumar
 
@cristanlika :)
 
user4639281
7:33 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium - Please don't ask for votes
 
ô.ô
 
sorry
no body answer my question yet
what can i do ?
 
user4639281
You could ask how to improve your question, that would be constructive and on-topic
 
ok anyone help me please
how can i improved my question
 
@cristanlika Oh, lol I was just about to link to my comment. Thanks
 
7:41 AM
yea thanks i got that one
@4castle
 
user4639281
Your question needs a lot of work. There is no problem statement, no example input, what I'm guessing is the expected output (the image) is not well explained, and no expected output. I don't know enough about the topic to know whether the example is an MCVE or not, but if it isn't then it should be.
 
my question where is the vote ?
there having two vote what's going there any tell
@TinyGiant
@4castle
 
user4639281
You got two upvotes and two downvotes so far
 
user4639281
Also, your question is lacking an interrogatory statement.
 
but why ? immediately two down voted .. someone angry on me
however thanks
all
 
user4639281
7:49 AM
Or your question is low quality and they are sending you a signal that it should be improved.
 
8:24 AM
^ does not look like spam to me
 
8:59 AM
Some of the C/C++ guys here might want to check this documentation meta post cc @NathanOliver maybe other C people who know the difference between C99 and C11
 
9:11 AM
well, not sure what I should do with that edit, it makes the language betterer but it still has issues
 
I would leave it to robo-reviewers to approve it
it makes the post better, not perfect
 
@rene I suppose it's better that the robos approve that than something else
 
yeah, so we keep our reviews for the ones that need rejection
 
Uhh.. Should this edit have been approved? It removed the ref. link as far as I can see.
 
That's mostly what I did when I was still doing reviews, skip or reject
 
9:14 AM
Is that what we're supposed to do with links?
And what about this one? =S
 
That seems wrong to me, if the link is spam it should be flagged, if it's not I don't see what harm it does to keep it around
 
^ Exactly what I thought.
And the latter edit just completely messes up the formatting ...
Boy, my eyes.
 
@Seth Well, I visited blog.csdn.net/fenfenguai/article/details/53941379 and it's in chinese
I'm guessing that's why it was edited out, but now it just looks strange with "try this out" left hanging
 
Yep..
These edits are similar to accidents, gruesome but you just cannot look away..
Meh.
 
There's nothing in the link that isn't in the answer as far as code or commands go
I'll just remove the "try this out" bit if noone objects
 
9:20 AM
Not objecting =)
 
@ivarni the answer is reaction to a comment stackoverflow.com/questions/34115174/… it is kind-of useless ... at best that solution without the brew path could be edited in that answer
 
@rene nice catch. I've a feeling a NAA flag wouldn't stick though
 
@ivarni that is true
 
Unless a moderator is lurking around I don't think there's much we can do
 
which ... just ... happened ...
 
9:25 AM
yeah
 
scary
 
And I didn't even look into a mirror and say his name 7 times
 
I've long elongated ears that senses the words "NAA" and "VLQ"
 
If I look into a mirror, the mirror breaks anyway
 
Should this edit be rolled back?
 
9:26 AM
meh
 
@ivarni You need to be careful with those words o.o Summoning a wild bhargav just like that...
And - because it's so much fun - here's another edit. Is that considered "fixing problems", or is it "defaces the original post"?
 
9:46 AM
@Seth yeah, I think that improves the post
 
@rene Oke, thanks :)
 
10:32 AM
^ dafuq
 
I guess "no secirity risks" is a good thing?
Asterisk is a company?
Nothing in that Q&A makes any sense to me
 
Yep.
 
maybe close it as general computing as it seems more of config issue then a programming one
 
Yeah, that would at least prevent more answers
 
 
2 hours later…
1:02 PM
 
@Machavity Do you think this might be a good fit for SoftwareRec.SE?
 
It just got hammered as dupe
 
Does this seems weird to anyone: stackoverflow.com/q/41391462 almost the exact same question as: stackoverflow.com/q/41390761 ?
 
Is this answer LQP since the Q is asking for links?
@TigerhawkT3 Will be deleted by roomba
 
user3956566
1:21 PM
@Machavity I don't like it. Can we delete the question
 
@Rizier123 My bet is it's a homework assignment. You're right that they have the same array with the same data. Quite the coincidence
@YvetteColomb We can do anything. We're Room 41570
 
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@Machavity yes let me put my underpants on the outside and grab my cape and mask
 
@YvetteColomb Isn't it easier to just keep a second pair of underpants for these occations?
 
@Rizier123 Second was closed as a dupe of the first. Since asker #1 copied his answer and pasted into #2, we should probably delete #2
@ivarni pssh When do we ever do things the easy way around here? Half the room enters and leaves by the doggie door
 
user3956566
2:03 PM
@ivarni that's a good idea!! lol
 
2:17 PM
Mh.
Plop everyonez
?
 
@Kyll Plop
 
2:47 PM
@Kyll plop
 
Yam
GraveRobber started 2.1.1 (debug).
 
3:18 PM
@Machavity Why delete? it's a broad function that he's asking for, the answer would be useful for anyone trying to do something similar
 
@TylerH Actually, The answer isn't terribly useful in that regard. Read the last comment under the answer
If you want to do this you use a session and/or JS to control the reload
 
@Machavity the last comment under the answer is just some random user saying he interpreted the question differently than the answerer
but evidence is not on his side as the OP said the answer helped and marked it as accepted
 
3:35 PM
What should I do when I edit a post to make it better(add screenshot as image, move code to snippet and tidy it), then the OP comes along and rolls it back?
 
@JacobGray The OP just rolled it back wholesale?
 
yeah, back to the original
didn't say why either :/
 
Hmm....
I'd try a comment first explaining why your edit made the post better adhere to SO's editorial practices, and asking why the OP reverted. If the answer is not satisfactory you may have grounds for a moderator flag, explaining carefully how your edit makes the post objectively better. (An embedded image is better than a link to an image, etc.)
 
okay, thanks :D
 
no problem
 
3:55 PM
Freaked out when I saw the queue had been cleared then realized it was because I was on suggested edits and not close votes
@BhargavRao thoughts on reopen? stackoverflow.com/questions/41394180/…
 
@TylerH that would be an happy start for 2017 ...
2
 
4:37 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Shall I trash it?
 
Ah, hammered. kay then.
 
4:50 PM
Hiya folks
 
Plop Nathan
 
@TylerH that's good enuf for me, reopened. Thanks :)
Also I'm in a party, I'll be back later. (They promised free goodies)
 
@Tunaki Would you re-assign the duplicate of this to one of these: 1, 2, 3‌​? Or if you have something better for primitive types.
 
5:27 PM
@BhargavRao cool, bring some goodies for us as well...
 
@BhargavRao are they doing free scooby snacks? :-P
plop or hi or whatever all
 
HEY jon
 
@JonClements Plop is good =D
Plop Jon
 
One day cabbage will rule them all - until then
 
Not in my lifetime Jon, not in my lifetime, over my .....
 
5:31 PM
lol rene
 
@rene compost?
 
You fill in what ever you like
 
 
1 hour later…
6:47 PM
what is the best flag choice for a mercy killing?
 
@MikelF This needs context and more explanations. As it is now, I'd say a pointy flag right through the heart for a quick death.
 
@MikelF There's no need for flags. The question is closed, and it will be eaten by the Roomba soon. See stackoverflow.com/help/roomba
You may also want to check what we do here, for example [tag:cv-pls] requests. See our FAQ on socvr.org
 
yes, it is now... and it seems the proper flag would be "typo"
 
7:01 PM
Oh right, you flag stuff as you're under 3k
 
8:09 PM
@Kyll I remember when you were under 3k
simpler times...
We had not yet Kyllified the entire SO codebase
 
@TylerH Blame durron for all the rep really
 
right
miss that goof
he's responsible for the code that lets amazon prime stuff arrive in like 2 hours
 
Yeah, same.
 
jk I dunno what he does
 
Was it related to map stuff..?
 
8:11 PM
@Kyll see my above line
 
@TylerH At that point I was expecting him to appear and explain
 
@durron567 durron567 durron567 appear
no? dangit
 
@TylerH Going for no MCVE
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[machine-learning]"
@Kyll in the comments he said adding the . fixed his problem
just for the record
 
Ah, k
 
8:15 PM
but no MCVE would technically work I suppose
though an MCVE could easily be created with any element with those IDs on them
 
Which is why it is so maddening when they don't do it
 
Rather because the first snippet can't work since it syntax errors
I wonder if "syntax error" can be a verb
 
Depends, if you're British probably not
 
There's no brit here currently
Unless Mikel is one, that is
 
@Kyll error is a verb
(can be)
 
8:17 PM
French, british... not much of a difference
 
Your software can "error out"
 
@MikelF wat
 
so by extension, your software/programming could "syntax-error out"
 
@MikelF true that
 
@rene Says the German one?
 
8:18 PM
@MikelF Meh, it's all Greek to me
I thought Rene was a Norwegian flower
 
@TylerH stahpit
 
or did we change which flower we thought he was
 
@Kyll the Germans are gone. I deal with you now
 
anyway, I've used all 40 of my CV queue votes
so, happy new year all
 
See ya o/
 
8:18 PM
May 2017 have less PHP and more close votes
3
 
@TylerH has*. We'll see if it comes to be true!
 
user4639281
May 2017 have less crap and more janitors.
 
Can't we have that in January?
Why wait till May?
 
Ambiguity is lovely this time of year
may as in the verb, folks
 
Nevermind, we ask @JanDvorak to sort it out
 
user4639281
8:24 PM
lulz
 
That depends if May is a noun or a verb in that sentence. The sentence is correct if May is the verb and 2017 is the subject. *has would be correct (gramatically only) if the subject was "May 2017". But a present tense would indicate way more certainty in the future than it deserves
In fact, a present tense may even be ungrammatical in that case.
In short: Tyler was correct here. Kyll's suggestion could also be interpreted as valid. In fact, Kyll was trying to change the meaning rather than just fix grammar.
poofs
 
@TylerH What will we close if not all the bad PHP questions?
 
Javascript, perhaps C#
 
Java, definitely Java
 
8:44 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis I don't think it's worth it, the thing should be deleted anyway, and will vote in 2 days
The dupe is fine for the current wording of the question
 
@JanDvorak Edit rejected!
 
user4639281
@AlexanderO'Mara windows
 
doors... mouths.... toilets...
 
user4639281
I was going for a double pun there, but failed
 
browsers
 
8:55 PM
@TinyGiant Windows? Lets close it!
 
you missed the question about reverse engineering it
 
Today I learned the hardest part of restoring your phone after a software wipe is remembering your widget layout...
 
@JanDvorak It's a zero-sum puzzle... you know when it wrong, but not right until you find every problem
 
user4639281
There are only 3 things certain in life: death, and the fact that you will at some point use the wrong number.
 
9:14 PM
Oh, sweet, I've been serial-downvoted. I almost thought the ...18 in my rep was something to care about.
 
9:24 PM
@JanDvorak basement-trolls have feelings too...
 
probably not
 
the user wasn't brand new and had a history of asking questions that seemed to be valid
but it was tagged and put on hold for other reasons
 
any value in that question?
I already delete voted it so with one more it is gone
 
it's gone
it may have had value but it was best considered off-topic
 
9:30 PM
it is SOCVR'd
 
hello
 
Did Rene just "feedback on success (or failure) of a cv-pls request. (I.e., “boom”ing.)" ?
 
OMG, it is the end of times!!!
 
But we knew that already, @Louis
 
Do you know where the actual list of rules is? socvr.org/faq#what-are-the-chat-room-rules
 
9:39 PM
in FAQ?
 
@approxiblue it is that whole page / site
 
I'm quoting from the heading above
 
@rene do you number them or is #15 just arbitrary? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=34622897#34622897
 
They used to have numbers, but as we dropped those we now use an true RNG to come up with the number.
 
To indicate that rules are meant to be followed, not referred to?
 
9:46 PM
That would be an awesome explanation, yes
 
I'm sticking to "a wizard did it" for all my explanations.
 
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