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5:00 PM
@TylerH People are weird.
 
true
 
@TylerH you're weird o.o
I have been bested x.x
 
@PatsyIssa there's a goat calling your name somewhere
<3
 
I missed you too :P
 
Where have you been bro
 
5:12 PM
on slack
 
oh
 
I only ever log on chat so anymore to jump in here
 
go join html real quick and call Zach something funny
for old times
 
5:31 PM
it feels weird when your answer is the only one with positive score in meta, while all the others are negative...
@SotiriosDelimanolis wth is that useful for?
 
No idea, I was messing around.
 
5:47 PM
and that feeling wore off
 
@Seth no hire today but we'll keep in touch.
 
JAL
You're interviewing somewhere rene?
 
One of our interns wanted to move to a new role, so I did an interview with them.
 
6:00 PM
so how it went?
so what questions you asked finally?
 
Mostly on Android
 
Ask them: Is Java pass by value or pass by reference?
 
I'll keep that for the next round
 
lol canonical question
explain android architecture
^another question
 
It is not only the question but you force me to read-up on all that stuff... that is not a bad thing but I only have so many hours in a day ...
 
6:14 PM
@JanDvorak I think TB would be better
 
cat
6:26 PM
I figured I'd ask here because I recognise at least some of the names in this room -- but is there a chatroom I can ask in about whether a tag is worth keeping? Or can I ask here?
 
Hi everyone,
I have an issue that stuck me long time
please help me about this book
i want to know how to get this circuit for practice or at least its blueprint
i'm willling to get minus score so fell free to devote. BUt please tell me
i have no clue
 
@Hanata Hi Hanata, this is not the way it works
 
So, what is the question there? "Has anybody read this book?" is not a valid question here.
 
int my country is hard to learn this. yet my fire doesn't wront out
i asked many forums
 
@Hanata: Promoting a question which is off-topic in a chat which is meant to keep quality high doesn't sound like a good idea.
6
 
6:30 PM
Stack Overflow is not a forum
 
but they only say give me your library link and nothing else to help me
yeah but this is where many wiseman gather
 
You might try at electronics, but I suspect they might have a similar "don't ask for external resources" policy.
 
They gather here because we don't tolerate just any question.
 
i tried
but they only know about hardware
it's painful for getting a beginning for this field
 
@Hanata What you need to understand is: we are not a forum (in the web-sense).
 
6:32 PM
What does the Software Engineering on-topic page say?
 
Nvm, they don't give recommendations either
 
T_T
 
cat
@Olaf They do -- this question is not a good fit for SE as a whole
 
yeah
 
6:34 PM
As a sidenote: don't concentrate on this specific book. Embedded engineering has changed a lot with ARM playing a major role now (it did hardly played any in 1999). Maybe you should widen your search-field
 
i know many ones fell this is non-sense but
 
Does the C++ tag wiki provide useful information?
 
embedded system = software + hardware
 
@cat That's why I was careful about directing (hope it was clear enough).
 
i did ask C++ tag
and get minus score
 
6:35 PM
@Hanata What exactly is your question? You want to know how to make some circuit?
 
yeah
when i red chapter two
they said about circuit adn process
 
That would be hardware engineering. You should study EE for that one at an university.
 
but i have no blue print
iun my country is hard to learn it
even in university
 
It might be on-topic for EE, but it would take some work to make that into a good, on-topic question.
 
only very very few
 
6:36 PM
They will also teach embedded programming with an appropriate course model. You definitively cannot learn this with good foundation just from the internet.
 
yeah iknow
but i cna't help when i got this book
 
I don't see a circuit in chapter 2
 
i can't help but still have a hope that i could master it
 
A "blueprint" (the names are schematic and PCB documentation) are not sufficient. You need (and should take) years of learning before you can do this properly. Otherwise there are those hardware-tinkerer called "makers", but those typically just connect ready devices via ready cables and mostly concentrate on programming.
 
they said about BLED and process
 
6:40 PM
wait...the circuit is just connecting an LED to a μc?
 
μc? what is it?
 
microcontroller
 
Table 1-1 makes me melancholic (and gives me a smile at the same time). Those times are long gone. As I wrote: embedded has changed a lot, not only for hardware, but also software.
@NobodyNada I have no idea what "BLED" is meant to be. BlueLED?
 
Inbefore we program all the microchips in Javascript
 
@Hanata "process" can mean a lot of different things.
 
6:42 PM
@Olaf I don't know either
 
yeah that's why
 
@NobodyNada Pewww! That's a relief. I though I missed something relevant:-)
 
i can gather things but don;t know how to connect them as a circuit
 
I don't think books can help with that
 
That mixing of C and C++ makes me suspicious. This is definitively a bad idea with modern C and C++, as they have evolved a lot and are very different languages.
 
6:45 PM
I learned about electrical engineering from a book called "Robot Building for Beginners," and also from my dad who is an electrical engineer.
 
@NobodyNada seems legit
 
really?
thankls for the hint
thank a lot^^
 
@NobodyNada
could u please share me more hint?
 
@NobodyNada That might be enough for tinkering. Sorry, I was thinking about professional embedded systems development. Problem is today with high-speed and ultra-low power MCUs, hardware design has become more complicated. There often are not even home-solderable packages for many CPUs (with a good eye and calm hands you can at least solder TQFP, but that's nothing I'd recommend a beginner).
 
6:50 PM
My professor said"Especially, greedy is good for SCIENCE"
 
@Olaf Yeah. If @Hanata wants to do that, I agree that a university would be a much better choice, but for just starting out/tinkering/deciding if he likes EE, a book like that would probably do.
 
thank^^
 
@Hanata Greedy? Definitively not! You need curiosity and persistency.
 
ignore that message
 
GREEDY in the information
not for money
i follow the science path not sale path
 
6:52 PM
"curiosity" would better word for that then
 
sr my english is bad ^^
but my reading is not bad ^^!
it's so ironic
 
@NobodyNada Problem are the resources he needs e.g. to solder, learn PCB design (EMC is a bitch, see my comment above). Sure there is a lot of information,but you have to find that first and get the basics to understand them. But then, there are many master or doc engineers who don'tr really know what they do in their job :-/
 
thx a lot everyone^^
 
"I'm bad at english" is not an excuse for not trying. "u", "thx" looks really bad.
 
artificial arm technology
 
6:55 PM
@Hanata I already got that. For money you are way better of with MBA or any other job you can tell people what they should do without any own knowledge :-|
 
this is the reason
 
oh.
Have you tried a tool like Dasher?
 
@Olaf yeah. The book starts off building circuits with alligator clips, then it goes to breadboards, then at the end soldering to a point-to-point board.
 
Dasher?
this's my first time to head about it
heard*
 
6:58 PM
 
@NobodyNada That works for ready-made PCBs (or if you have the layouts of simple PCBs ready and etch them yourself, etc.). But not for the modern MCUs like Cortex-M, and definitively not for anything larger like Cortex-A with DDR-RAM etc. For those you need at leat a good (intuitive) understanding of what's going on with radiation, coupling, etc.
 
@rene so you basically wanted Q/A pairs ;-)
 
@Olaf definitely
 
@NobodyNada Need I say I like my job by heart and brain? :-)
 
6:59 PM
not^^
thank everyone
thank a lot
 
@DalijaPrasnikar ha, well. It doesn't hurt to get a few pointers to interesting reads...
 
This must be C "pointer is array" week ...
@rene Here is a good pointer: InterestingPic *p; :-)
 
Maybe we should ask the University to publish their schedule on meta so we can prepare the dupes up-front ...
 
: ) troll answer
 
7:03 PM
@NobodyNada Nobody expects the spanish inquisition. But I always expect xkcd to have covered a joke already :-)
 
@rene cannot think of any at the moment... at least not concise enough to be fast read
 
7:22 PM
@TylerH gone already
deleted by owner
and why do you ask us to flag it?
 
are flag-pls not OK?
 
not needed, unless you are out of flags
 
don't a certain number of vlq flags auto delete an answer?
 
not AFAIK
 
Unless that is changed, I don't think so
 
7:24 PM
mmm, that's a shame
 
Only works for comments
 
@TinyGiant I'd like to view the reasoning behind this please
 
21 hours ago, by rene
@AndrewLi yes, you may ask. We don't want that an user can benefit from the fact that we vote as a group.
21 hours ago, by Tiny Giant
It is generally disingenuous to flag or vote to close a question that you have answered as it disallows other users from answering a question that you deemed good enough to answer. It is against this room's rules to request closure of such a question.
 
Does the rule stand if you have deleted your answer?
And what if you want to delete your answer or the question but your answer is accepted too quickly?
Also can you provide an example of how that applies to a question the user asked rather than answered
 
I was wondering about that last one too
 
7:41 PM
@TylerH Suppose you asked a question, the community closed it, you edited it and then ask in the room that it be reopened rather than let the reopen queue do it's work.
 
this answer states it "summarises above comments", but the answerer didn't participate there. Would it be rude to ask them to make the answer community wiki?
 
@Adriaan Rudeness is a pretty subjective thing, but I do know that I would not bother with leaving a suggestion.
 
it's a typo anyway
 
7:56 PM
Eh?
 
@TylerH to be on the safe side, I would say yes.
 
@Louis the policy appears to be about voting to close questions, not reopen them
 
@TylerH tl;dr: don't do anything if you want to moderate the site D:
 
@TylerH You can bring in all kind of side-effects that makes this rule pretty horrendous
@TylerH it is about both re-open and close
 
8:35 PM
@Queen Funny... I just commented on that very one.
 
user4639281
@TylerH Any moderation action
 
user4639281
@TylerH We're on the fence with the deleted answer thing because users could go and undelete their answer, but for now we will allow it, until a problem arises.
 
Am I on a fence?
 
user4639281
Yes, you're a fence flower
 
8:43 PM
OK
 
What's the fence flower?
 
@TinyGiant "muurbloempje"
 
It's a flower, living on the fence.
 
user4639281
@TylerH Trust me, we had a discussion about what was going to be allowed and disallowed, we had polls, probably 15 of them, hundreds of messages worth of discussion, then we came down to this because it was the simplest implementation of the rule, and we couldn't keep it straight otherwise.
 
user4639281
@Adriaan wat?
 
8:44 PM
LoL.
 
:D
 
@TinyGiant @rene will get it :P
 
user4639281
At one point we couldn't even agree that we were agreeing to agree to anything.
 
@TinyGiant Google translate says "wallflower", which is the literal translation, though I'm unsure whether it's also the proverbial one
 
user4639281
ahhh
 
8:49 PM
Wallflower is the correct expression. Sometimes, Dutch and English idioms are actually close.
 
JAL
@DalijaPrasnikar who would vote to reopen that??
 
user4639281
@JAL people
 
@JAL I have no idea...
 
@JAL probably the op
 
There were 4 votes.
 
JAL
8:50 PM
obligatory since I work for the History channel:
 
@gunr2171 if someone hits your public facing ip, what do you serve?
 
Definitely aliens.
 
It had 7 upvotes ???
 
user4639281
@JAL you work for the history channel?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Something very fishy there yes
 
8:51 PM
@JAL rly?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Yeah, cool isn't it ....
 
JAL
@TinyGiant A+E Networks is the parent company, but is a bunch of channels: A&E, History, Lifetime, FYI
 
user4639281
Ahh
 
waffles
 
JAL
syrup
 
8:51 PM
@Tunaki The fish knows when it's fishy ;)
 
user4639281
@JAL very cool
 
@JAL I think that at this point... it wasn't necessary...
all mobile users already wasted data, and at least on my screen it was nearly off the viewport
 
JAL
meh, I'd rather lead by a good example :) no one-boxes here
IOU: 300kb of data
you can invoice me when your mobile data bill comes in :)
 
I only take alien currency, no that crap of kb's
 
JAL
drat
If Giorgio Tsoukalos ever comes into the office, I will be sure to take a picture with him
(that's the Ancient Aliens meme guy)
but we don't get too many people from production in the NY office
 
9:00 PM
@Closey start event
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
9523 need review
1173 reviews today
3581591 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
@JAL Just out of curiosity: Are you working with broadcasting tech? That's the realm I'm currently in.
 
Sam
@Clo membership
 
@Sam Current users in permission groups:
Reviewer
    Adriaan (5211833)
    Andrew Cheong (925913)
    Andrew Li (5647260)
    approxiblue (880772)
    Ashish Ahuja (5735775)
    Braiam (792066)
    Brock Adams (331508)
    Cold Fire (5148907)
    Compass (2958086)
    Dukeling (1711796)
    durron597 (1768232)
    Ferrybig (1542723)
    FirstStep (5890227)
    FrankerZ (4875631)
    gunr2171 (1043380)
    Jacob Gray (3285730)
    JAL (2415822)
    Jon Clements (1252759)
    kayess (4805174)
    Kevin Guan (5299236)
    Kyll (4174897)
 
@JAL Like Erich von Däniken?
 
JAL
9:01 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ No, although that would be cool. I love video, I started learning production and editing in middle school. I work lead the iOS tech team here
 
@Closey good to be on top on things lass.
 
@Closey I'm not there
@Olaf That guy wrote "Chariots of the Gods", rite?
 
JAL
@Olaf Yeah, he's an Ancient Aliens presenter right?
 
@BhargavRao you better don't (as mod that is)
 
9:03 PM
@JAL Well, not as cool as you think may be ;). DVB is a pretty vague standard sometimes.
 
Sam
@BhargavRao You should be able to add yourself iirc
 
Same as with all religious people: "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with facts". (Not that I don't say there might be some aspects worth closer research)
 
JAL
ha, any video is cool. I mean, I work on apps that let you watch our content, so I need to have an idea on how encoding and renditions work, especially with HLS
 
@TinyGiant I believe you had lots of discussion, but the amount you had is irrelevant. What's important is that your reasoning and justification for the rule (or any rule) be transparent
 
Sam
So it seems I have broken Closey, again.
 
user4639281
9:05 PM
@TylerH Has the reasoning and justification been clarified sufficiently?
 
Sam
@Clo stop bot
 
@Sam I'm shutting down...
Shutting down. (Sam's Backup Server)
 
@Sam that is consistent ...
 
@Olaf I've read his books :)
 
Is it just me or no one's getting any votes up on the answers? Only votes down???
goes to check Jon Skeet's profile...
 
9:06 PM
@PraveenKumar try posting on Meta.
 
Sam
@Glorfindel lol
 
@Glorfindel Ah, and my account will get blocked permanently. What an idea sir!
 
Blocked, why? It is notoriously hard to get a post-ban on Meta.
 
@BhargavRao Problem is he ignores just all counterarguments. I actually prefer true SciFi. Asimov and Lem are good reads. Add some others and I can stay some years on a solitude island:-)
 
@TinyGiant for re-opening on answers, yeah. For everything else (closing on answers, deleted answers, answers that are accepted, and questions), not at all
I'm thinking it could come off as "we're too lazy to come up with a good reason to disallow it but we want to disallow it anyway so we'll just say it's 'too complex to have different rules for different things'"
 
9:08 PM
@JAL Our Hooray always is when you can watch the vid at the consumers device. On of my least projects was a multi DVB (S/C/T) input to IP streamer. The IP streaming is the biggest hype in the broadcasting business right now.
 
@Glorfindel No no... Once I post that, my Stack Overflow account, my all accounts get blocked.
LoL.
 
AKA if the real reason is just that you're not comfortable with the room doing it, then that's fine, but say that that's the reason
 
@Braiam simple html page
haproxy defaults to that backend
 
@Olaf that's true. I've also seen some debates against him (which sound more logical).
 
915k dies of shock
 
JAL
9:09 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ that's cool, and i agree, the hype is real. Also VR. We just did a multi-camera VR (well, really 360 video) experience for an awards show. A 360 video for Project Runway is coming next week
 
user4639281
@TylerH At the core the reasoning is that we don't want to be seen as a voting ring. We cannot be in favour of any one user. The reasoning is still the same as it was before, the only difference is that "stake" was disambiguated.
 
@PraveenKumar and he thinks he won't hit 1,000,000 until "late 2017"
I think he'll have it by July or August
 
@TylerH he? Who? Jon Skeet?
Let's make a simple calc.
 
@TinyGiant So it's discomfort at what it looks like
@PraveenKumar yeah
 
Not less than 200 every day.
 
9:11 PM
@BhargavRao I think Thor Heyerdahl had better point on his thesis about spreading of human culture. But I did not follow all these theories much. I read them like adventure novels if written good, but that's all.
 
So you do the math, I'll approve.
I am struggling to get another 80 rep for the day!
 
user4639281
@TylerH Mainly, with the intention to prevent users from asking us to help them do disingenuous things
 
@PraveenKumar I'd have to look at his average daily rep to get good numbers
 
Average is around 200 mate now... Check it out in his profile.
 
if he were just hitting mortarboard each day and nothing more then he'd only get to about 957k by then
 
9:12 PM
Seriously: I wonder what that about Jon Skeet is. What is the joke about it? Just the high reps?
 
but he probably also gets accepts which don't count toward it and some bounties
 
@Olaf that's a new name for me. Need to read his works.
 
@Olaf Jon Skeet has more "Great Answer" badges than you have answers.
 
@Olaf yes the joke is that since he's got the most rep of anyone (and a ton of it), he knows everything and is an epically good programmer
 
@JAL Yeah I know, unfortunately my company doesn't think so and seems to leave the market sooner or later. I'll have to find other cool realms.
 
user4639281
9:13 PM
@Olaf Jon Skeet and Chuck Norris are secretly the same person
 
plus the fact that his surname is Skeet probably lends well to his popularity
 
@BhargavRao "Kontiki" (there was a movie few years ago about the travel. It's a nice watch), "Fatu Hiva", etc.
 
@BhargavRao Thor Heyerdahl is pretty good
 
@gunr2171 Pfftt! :-P
 
@TinyGiant You can imagine Jon Skeet smoking a Big Cigar?
 
9:14 PM
@TinyGiant Jon Skeet does not collect badges. Badges collect Jon Skeet!
 
I can imagine Jon laughing at all the rep his bots are getting him
 
@Olaf oh wait, it seems you've got 60 more answers than he has Great Answer badges
 
@TylerH sad that I didn't know about him earlier. But tis better late than never. :)
 
May 20 '15 at 19:47, by gunr2171
When Jon Skeet has a question, the C# team apologizes. — Tim S. May 28 '12 at 12:34
 
@TylerH Ok, had to look up what you mean. That's indeed a language-specific pun :->
@gunr2171 HA! But thanks for checking ...
 
9:17 PM
Afk
 
@Olaf haha yeah it is not very safe for work
 
what? lil jon is not safe for work? I should stop blasting his songs in the office...
 
@TylerH But then it would avoid discussion about your code if you use such words for variables and functions. No one would dare to say it, and without you can allways ask what he refers to
 
@Olaf true
communtiy approval of an edit means the owner approved it right
wait, no
it means a reviewer improved the edit
 
JAL
9:22 PM
@rene bumping 7 year old posts on meta? :)
 
I just fetched my new notebook. And packed it and will return it on monday. grrr
 
Will CLosey return tonight
 
user4639281
@JAL ?
 
user4639281
Oh that meta, your meta was ambiguous
 
9:31 PM
Hmm, I upvoted the Q&A pair (both). But the question still is unclear with a [MCVE] and what's going wrong with attempts.
 
I need more flags. ;)
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ Ok, which one?
 
@MikelF Get more rep.
 
@JAL CC @Kyll look even Jeff Atwood uses "plop" :O
2
 
JAL
ha amazing!
 
9:33 PM
@TinyGiant The questions look more like a XY problem :P
 
user4639281
which questions?
 
If I had only known what was coming, I'd have saved one or two.
 
@TinyGiant Aren't there 2 question marks
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ Where?
 
user4639281
you didnt link to anything
 
9:35 PM
@TinyGiant Big facepalm again (same that always happening with sending eMails and forgot to attach): stackoverflow.com/questions/41192416/…
 
user4639281
:P
 
@gunr2171 no content I suppose?
 
@JAL yeah, I tried to fix a 404 on the blog and for that I needed to know if UserVoice content got migrated. In that process you have to visit some old stuff with many, many dead links ...
 
@Braiam you mean more than a simple html page?
 
I'm obviously having the took CTRL-C forgot to CTRL-V disease. (Isn't that called Alzheimer?)
 
JAL
9:37 PM
@rene I bet, UserVoice ended was waaay before I joined SE
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I can't remember
3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it's hard to tell because your first sentence has some syntax errors
 
@gunr2171 nah, I'm just trying to figure out what's the sane behavior: serving a random virtual host or something specific
 
shrug
 
user4639281
I wanna buy thisshouldbea404.com
4
 
9:40 PM
SE defaults to "Fastly error: unknown domain: 151.101.129.69. Please check that this domain has been added to a service."
 
This guy doesn't know what a comma and a semi colon... LoL.
 
@PraveenKumar don't mock OP for that, just close and move on
 
@approxiblue Okay. Just understood that he's not English.
 
I'm not English
2
Is that a problem?
Or do we need to originate from the British Empire to be accepted by you?
 
Sam
I'm fine with that.
 
9:50 PM
@Sam I was afraid that would be your answer ;)
 
@rene Well, even I am not English. Hi5.
 
Sam
@rene ;)
 
@rene You are afraid of Sam? :o
 
Hi all. o/
 
Sam
Hiya
 
9:50 PM
@PraveenKumar that'll get roomba'd, won't it?
@BaummitAugen Hello!
 
@NobodyNada No.
 
@PraveenKumar Ok, then please stop indirectly calling out users in our transcript
 
@PraveenKumar roomba in 10 days
 
9:51 PM
@PetterFriberg How?
 
user4639281
@rene Well, technically we're all from Africa, as that is where home erectus originated from
 
Has answers right?
 
Has no upvoted or accepted answer -> Roomba
 
@PraveenKumar See the last rule here -- RemoveAbandonedClosed
 
@rene Ah!!! I said he doesn't know English. What's this rene, understand. I am not pointing out.
 
9:52 PM
@PraveenKumar has no answers with a score > 0 ------ roomba rulezzz --------------->
 
Okay okay.
 
@TinyGiant let's agree on that but please don't remind me we are family ...
 
@PetterFriberg Maybe maybe not. If the OP decides to accept the answer then it won't be hit by the roomba. I prefer to make sure that this thing don't survive while we have our back turned.
 
user4639281
@rene OK, cousin 50000 times removed
 
@PetterFriberg Deleted LoL.
@TinyGiant Me? How many times cousin? :D
Have you guys seen that saliva DNA test video that shows the real places you are from? @TinyGiant @rene
 
9:54 PM
@Louis well yeah you vote as you like I was only responding to "No it will not be roomba...", not whether to delete vote or not
 
@PraveenKumar yeah, I germinated ...
 
@rene You aren't a seed or plant, rene. You are a sun flower! :D A daisy... You don't germinate, you flourish!
Eh, my English is as bad as me.
 
yes
 

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