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1:00 PM
@PetterFriberg done
 
@PetterFriberg done
 
@PetterFriberg done
 
The train company in on strike -- sorry, come back later.
 
@PetterFriberg done
 
1:11 PM
@PetterFriberg arg, is still there!
 
Hey, is Kerrek reading here?
 
ops delete by some mean 20k:ers
ooh found a new mod Ryan... is there a list of mods on SO somewhere?
 
thanks
 
De Nada. 30sec google
 
1:25 PM
: )
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not mean just realistic ;)
 
Yeah, I know you did a favor to the review queue, I was only kidding...
 
user6820627
1:43 PM
@PraveenKumar it looks bad, but i dont think that's no mcve (just my opinion, i am new to this cv-pls room)
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent if you read the complete reason, you will understand why it's used
 
Here is My code Go debug It for Me
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent The real powers start at 3k rep. But thanks for your interest.
 
user6820627
ah, i saw the comment @Braiam
but i dont know that `no mcve` is a close reason because the flagging option says this
 
user6820627
duplicate of...
This question has been asked before and already has an answer.
off-topic because...
This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in the help center.
unclear what you're asking
Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell exactly what you're asking. See the How to Ask page for help clarifying this question.
too broad
There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. Please add details to narrow the an
 
1:46 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent that particular question can have many close reasons
1. MCVE (what is the error)?
2. Unclear (whats is the problem)?
3. Too broad (you like us to check and explain everyting about the code?)
4. POB Is this code good?
conclusion, no really use to discuss the best close reason.. hit whatever you think helps OP the most
 
1. MCVE (what is the error) (ditch the picture chump) (what did your debugging tell you) (why the 10k line code dump) (etc) <endOfList>
 
user6820627
@πάνταῥεῖ what does tb mean?
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent too broad
 
user6820627
i prefer typing the too broad word to TB in this chat room.
 
@Drew Yeah... but I need to click through 2 dialogs like that... unclear is faster...
 
user6820627
1:51 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ i know that already. that's why i go to this room
 
when you do dozens a day and everyone knows the vernacular then TB is fine
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent We're as shortcut as possible.
 
user6820627
@Drew so if question is no mcve, i should flag it as unclear?
 
we naturally forget the limited screen options you have. Pick the best one on your screen
 
user6820627
> (Fkin ignore the dic's)
 
user6820627
1:53 PM
so bad
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Yes it was
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent you should flag what you think helps OP the most to improve his/her question, just wanted to make you aware that often multiple close reasons can apply.
 
Just edit out the offensive parts, indent the code, and vote based on the edited post.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent I've garnished that with a delete vote
 
@NisseEngström are you sure... it's like editing spam...
 
1:56 PM
@NisseEngström I'm not willing to do so. Just give them a kick.
 
does not seem like an important answer
 
You are detected by Smoke Detector - Powerful bot for bad posts chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33516897#33516897Learn How To Be Transparent 45 secs ago
Do we leave comments now?
 
I think it's better to not post this on spam and abusive posts, no need I would suggest @LearnHowToBeTransparent to delete it
2
 
user6820627
@Adriaan i just think we need to notify user with bad posts that this room exist...
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent No, seriously not.
 
user6820627
1:59 PM
thank you. i won't do that again.
 
guy is worried about his rep loss, when he is at rep 1 anyway
 
user6820627
but answer ban and suspended account... it does affect. @Drew
 
he has an acct for 4 years and 1 rep and 1 answered question. oh no create a new acct
 
@SmokeDetector false, vtc ed as no MCVE (unclear works too)
 
@Adriaan You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
2:02 PM
@SmokeDetector I know love. That's not on my wishlist. Coffee is though...
!!/coffee
 
@Adriaan brews coffee for @Adriaan
 
ta laddie.
 
user6820627
@SmokeDetector f is command to ignore?
 
@Adriaan You know my avatar, do you??
 
@πάνταῥεῖ of course
 
2:03 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent f is shortcut for false positive. That's how we train the bot.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent No to indicate that it is not spam, abusive or an NAA answer, see github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/Commands
 
@Adriaan :) Sweet little pink elephant.
Methinks you are the fifth elephant here.
 
user6820627
why don't sd join sobotics?
 
No really need for now... users of sobotics are present here to
@LearnHowToBeTransparent If you like to know more, we discussed it briefly here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33246681#33246681
 
user6820627
ok thanks
 
user6820627
2:14 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/4559648/… now all downvotes are removed.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent retracted flags, since it was edited.
 
@PetterFriberg Perhaps the user just vented some momentary frustration. There is no need for a whole voting brigade to come in and punish a user for a single slip-up. Moderate the post, not the user. If the user doesn't take a hint from the edit, then it becomes a matter for the moderators.
It's a different matter if the sole purpose of the post is to be offensive.
 
user6820627
@NisseEngström +1 this.
 
user6820627
> if the sole purpose of the post is to be offensive.
 
user6820627
2:22 PM
but the (reversed) downvotes are helpful warning.
 
@NisseEngström No doubt I'm looking only on the post, however there is still a difficult balance point when you start editing "offensive" or "spam" posts. Some say do not edit it out, some say edit it out, in the end you what I have seen is that edits can mess up audit's... buuh
Lately I have gone for the solution flag and let moderator decided what to do...
 
Plop all
 
Plop =D
 
It would be confusing if we ping @Lear typing @Lear.
 
2:36 PM
@NisseEngström I don't tolerate such though.
 
blob
 
Water levels are high?
 
user6820627
 
user6820627
it looks like comment
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent no, that's an answer
@LearnHowToBeTransparent no need to paste it here, can you remove that please?
 
2:40 PM
waffles
 
Hungry?
 
user6820627
(removed)
 
Yes, hungry!!
 
you're welcome
 
user6820627
2:41 PM
now goodbye! this is time to sleep!
 
user6820627
// just gmt+7
 
sleep well
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent N8
Sweet dreams ;)
 
Woah, can I be transparent?
 
@AndrewLi I'm trying here as much I can.
 
2:45 PM
@AndrewLi I think his <kbd>y</kbd> key is stuck
 
Lol
 
@AndrewLi Delete voted
 
@NisseEngström Yes. Maybe could be better with an edit, hold on
 
:33517190 Because of the keyboard problem.
 
2:49 PM
@NisseEngström What about now?
 
Guys guys. I have found THE PERFECT TITLE.
 
@Rubisco *happy face*
 
@Kyll
qolq BTW
 
Plop πάνταῥεῖ =D
 
I'm always doing the reverse :)
 
3:01 PM
!qolq
 
@Kyll blob
 
Slob
 
@Kyll Probably better. I don't know Swift though.
 
@NisseEngström Me neither, but I made the parallel with JavaScript: In JS, semicolons are not mandatory but they can make a difference in some situations, thus having a technical benefit.
 
3:19 PM
@Kyll same for MATLAB; there it suppresses the commandline output of the statement. Whilst not necessary, if you don't do it your commandline gets very cluttered with in-between output and the displaying of stuff there takes rather a lot of time
 
3:29 PM
Hi all. o/
 
@BaummitAugen Hiya Baum \o
 
@BaummitAugen I know we don't do user profiles in here, but might I suggest removing the s-word from your profile page?
 
@Adriaan Is that so bad?
 
@BaummitAugen if it's in a post it's edited out very fast, or flagged as rude/abusive, so I'd say it's bad.
 
@BaummitAugen I don't think so. For a profile its just fine ;)
 
3:33 PM
"flagged as rude/abusive" Eh, I don't think that's a valid flag for that.
 
@BaummitAugen depends on context in that case, true. "Your question is utter shit" qualifies as rude for me, whilst in a sentence as on your profile I'd simply change it to stuff
 
@BaummitAugen We're all coding shit occasionally, so what. It's fine.
 
Yeah, I'll leave it in for now I guess.
 
don't get me on swearwords. You don't want me get on swearwords.
 
@BaummitAugen You're perfectly OK
 
3:35 PM
Maybe I'll clean it up when I become a "professional".
 
@BaummitAugen Becoming a professional would be disclosed when you get retired actually.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Heh, when I'm retired I'll most likely not worry about people finding a word like that in one of my profiles. :)
 
@TimCastelijns @YvetteColomb any idea on this one, 6 weeks old but at cv3 stackoverflow.com/questions/39319817
 
3:52 PM
@Drew another one for your hammer ^^
 
@Drew would say let it be but too lazy to dig deep into it atm
 
@Hisham what?
 
@Adriaan a lil help with that q? any one?
 
That's not what this room is for, alas.
@gunr2171 ^
 
As in, help close it? Suuure.
 
yo
@Hisham this room is for discussing closure and other site moderation activities, not for help in solving particular questions asked on main.
 
4:14 PM
@JanDvorak oh boy, im out.
 
@Hisham just curious, why are you asking whether someone can solve a question that's not your own?
 
For everyone from the german language area: Destroy that asshole facebook.com/pages/Carsten-Maschmeyer/655480111176767
 
afk for a second
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Who is that?
The wiki snippet aside.
 
@BaummitAugen A blatant asshole. Failed so bad and now judging people with startups??
 
4:18 PM
@Adriaan looking for the same thing.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ language
 
@gunr2171 I can't find a more modest one. It's a blame :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ If he hadn't failed so bad, why would he be on German reality TV?
That's punishment enough. =D
 
@BaummitAugen I dunno. There's no reason really. That may be their least resort.
 
4:33 PM
people CV that?
 
4:45 PM
Hiya
 
@BhargavRao \o
 
5:27 PM
Hey BR o/
 
@AndrewLi \o
 
@BhargavRao Looks like you're answering, I'll just hide in my corner now
 
Nah, I ain't answer those. :/
 
You're active now, better stay away from python lol
 
Just waiting for some code to compile. :D
Hammered that post.
 
5:36 PM
Yay!
Is there a good Java canonical for postfix, infix, and prefixed operators?
 
o/
Hey @Rakete1111
 
5:53 PM
Hello @Dsafds
 
^ no code
 
plop!
 
!qolq
 
¡dold
 
afk - going to watch someone shine a bright light all over a public building for 15 minutes
 
6:00 PM
The moment when you google something, and the very first result is a question, which was deleted by Community one month ago :D
 
@Tunaki deleted questions show up?
 
@Tunaki is it worth undeleting?
 
On google?
 
@AndrewLi Probably wasn't reindexed in the mean time. Was deleted in late July
@dorukayhan not really, question is poorly phrased
 
@Tunaki Ahh. Gotcha
 
6:03 PM
Google perhaps knows that you're above 10k on SO
 
:)
 
@dorukayhan I could but reading it again, not really sure it's asking what I'd want to ask
and I already know the answer anyway
 
@Tunaki how would you deal with this? I originally closed as duplicate of "how to sort an array". It got reopened. Then OP clarified their issue with just bad generics, but the answers haven't adapted.
 
6:08 PM
reading
 
user3956566
@Drew I've asked for one more close vote as no MVCE. It's a moving target.
 
user3956566
^^ only one more vote needed on that ^^
 
abusive ^
 
^ abusive
@SotiriosDelimanolis edit rolled back, question closed, left a comment, and delete voted...
 
good stuff
 
6:20 PM
I was writing a comment :( oh well moving on
 
6:51 PM
hello is anyone familiar with crossfading?
 
@BhargavRao not sure about NAA but definitely VLQ, specially when the question is almost two years old.
 
Perhaps someone with the knowledge of PHP can salvage that post.
 
May be. I have no idea about PHP.
 
PHP = Pain, Hell, and more Pain
@BhargavRao Drew?
 
7:03 PM
Yeah, Drew, Riz or Mach. All are PHP guys
But an ample amount of knowledge in PHP would certainly be enough to salvage that.
 
applauds php guys
 
You gotta do that. ;)
 
idk crap about php
 
7:21 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
7:35 PM
@QPaysTaxes brews a cup of chamomile tea for @QPaysTaxes
 
7:54 PM
@QPaysTaxes: Got one for me, too?
 
@Tunaki @SotiriosDelimanolis any idea on this one / glassfish stackoverflow.com/q/40037052
 
@QPaysTaxes Submit a PR. ;)
 
Ooh a revenge downvoter is on to me
 
what did you close now...
 
@Drew no idea
 
7:59 PM
> Ups and Downs might never break my bones.
 
@QPaysTaxes votes have physical weight?
 
!!/tea
 
@Olaf brews a cup of mint tea for @Olaf
 
Good enough. Thanks, @QPaysTaxes, did it myself.
!!/blame
 
@Olaf It's Drew's fault.
 
8:02 PM
!!/help
 
@BhargavRao I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
@QPaysTaxes There -^
 
!!/blame
 
@AndrewLi It's Cold Fire's fault.
 
@SmokeDetector I know
 
8:05 PM
@QPaysTaxes It's dorukayhan's fault.
 
!!/blame unicorn
 
@AndrewLi It's Petter Friberg's fault.
 
Dangit
 
That's not true...
 
@QPaysTaxes Whaddya mean, 'wut'? Humans...
 
8:09 PM
Hoomanz
 
Bye all, Time for me to sleep. Another boring week starts tomo
 
Cya, bed time for m2..
 
Bye!
 
night @BhargavRao
 
8:15 PM
rene passed an audit!
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 59 minutes and 3 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 28 seconds.
 
8:54 PM
@QPaysTaxes why did you close it?
Sure you can edit the commits
That's Git, you know. You expected clear documentation? :p
Oh I have no idea how Git works as well.
Black box which I hope doesn't crash on me with merge conflicts
 
user3956566
9:34 PM
@gnat there seems to be an apathy with bounties on meta SE. That bounty has seemed to make little difference to the votes anyhow, I didn't keep track of the views.
 
@YvetteColomb did gnat award it
 
9:56 PM
@YvetteColomb per my observations MSE bounties don't make a difference per se. It is just when post has many long-running bounties from many different users it gets harder to ignore it for SE team. As I already wrote I'm pessimistic about whether they will do anything of ideas proposed there, I would only want to avoid letting them pretend that they ignore it because it has been ignored by community. @Drew I plan to award it tomorrow - at expire day...
...to avoid making impression that it's just an enthusiastic hurry "let's 10 users urgently dump 10 bounties on it to make a boom"
 
10:10 PM
@gnat I too wished some more answers arrived on your meta link. I put my cv-mod draft in the beehive . I imagine the concept would be poorly received on meta. But I see that as the only viable way to deal with closing poor questions fast.
 
Rob
10:21 PM
Morning
 
Morning
 
@chris85 welcome. Always wanted you in here for an occasional ping
 
@Drew I remember that cv-mod draft on beehive, I saw it a week or two ago. Looked promising on the first glance but I felt like I need more time to make my mind on it
 
The beehive is too hidden.
 
I'm off to bed.
Cya
 
10:31 PM
Hello @Drew, just read up on deleting, takes 48 hours before I can vote for deletion
 
@BaummitAugen Cya N8
 
@chris yep. We often post a chunk here that come up for voting. I could use you quite a bit on those. Or vice-versa. If we get the count to 2 del votes, they rise to the top of 10k tools Link
Plus @Machavity could use you
 
user3956566
11:11 PM
@gnat yes that makes sense
 
user3956566
@Drew no
 
What the heck..? With an upvote?
 
user3956566
@AndrewLi I think it's ok, It's a beginners question, but clear
 
@YvetteColomb But an upvote? Also, that answer makes no sense
waffle
 
user3956566
@AndrewLi I dunno. I didn't vote for it. I have seen a lot worse with upvotes
 
11:22 PM
Upvotes should come with a mandatory comment :)
 
@chris85 if interested, delete candidates 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4
 
@πάνταῥεῖ only if needed. We don't need +1 comments floating around
 
@AndrewLi Probably for the same reasons we don't need that for downvotes ;)
I'm afraid you didn't get my sarcasm.
 
:P
@πάνταῥεῖ Spam?
 
@AndrewLi Looks so.
 
11:34 PM
I ventured to the link. Definitely spam.
Probably not a good idea to go to the link they've posted is it? It gives them the satisfaction of visitors which encourages them...
 
@AndrewLi I refrain to do so most of the time.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I sometimes do to make sure. Also, if the link promotes a product or service and is related to the question in some way, is it just LOA or still spam?
 
user4639281
if the question is asking for spam, close and delete the question. If the linked content is relevant to the question, then it is not spam, unless the author is affiliated with the content and that affiliation is not disclosed
 
@Drew @chris85 Indeed. Always nice to see another PHP face
 
@TinyGiant Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying
 
user4639281
11:39 PM
NP
 
P = NP
 
@Machavity Increase insanity in da house, yeah ;)
 
Looks like self-defacement
 
Nice
Even though I haven't the slightest idea what an OEC refresher is
 
user4639281
I want one of those cards
 
11:48 PM
@QPaysTaxes Skiing?
@QPaysTaxes Ohh, gotcha
 
@chris85 @shadow if interested, delete candidates: 5 ... 6 ... 7 ... 8
 
Oh, and @chris85 welcome to PHP club. Where we stuff like this
 
@Machavity Faceplam Yes!
:)
 
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