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12:02 AM
Interesting post from the smoke detector. Homework assignment where OP edited all of the code out of their question, was just rolled back by another user to put the code back in.
 
user4639281
@MaximillianLaumeister User was blacklisted for post vandalism.
 
user4639281
Now it looks like they're having another tantrum
 
user4639281
A mod flag will have been raised by the rollbacks
 
@MaximillianLaumeister It's especially funny when the poster gets an answer, removes the code and never returns to Stack Overflow, thinking smugly that the teacher will never know. Then comes the rollback.
 
user4639281
It happened again, so I'd say ignore it until a mod takes a look at it.
 
12:14 AM
If I edit a question about the colResizable jQuery plugin, would it be appropriate to link a code snippet directly to the GitHub source? Any idea which version of jQuery I should include?
 
user4639281
I'd have to see the question to comment.
 
user4639281
8 messages moved to Trash can
 
@TinyGiant I'm thinking the JSFiddle should be moved into the question. (And then it should be closed.)
 
user4639281
Well, the jsfiddle license is not compatible with the Stack license.
 
user4639281
So we aren't supposed to migrate code from jsfiddle.
 
user4639281
12:25 AM
I'd say just close as Unclear / Too Broad
 
user4639281
But I can't load a close dialog right now because I'm scanning the cv-pls requests.
 
@TinyGiant Ok, thanks. I suppose there is a Meta post about that somewhere.
 
user4639281
@NisseEngström Somewhere yeah.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Active a year ago, meh
 
user4639281
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'd say POB fits the best. It isn't really an off-site resource request because they've already identified the off-site resources that they're looking at. The questions asks which one is better, so I would say POB. But as Kyll just mentioned it is an old inactive question that isn't attracting new answers so it doesn't warrant a close vote request.
 
12:31 AM
@TinyGiant Here's one: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/296627
 
user4639281
Yes, that one.
 
It isn't perfect, but I love it:
Took 2h 30min to print it
 
I like
 
user4639281
Wow, nice.
 
@Rizier123 What materials?
 
user4639281
12:40 AM
When do I get mine?
 
@Undo Filament (Don't know if it's called the same in English :D)
 
user4639281
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@TinyGiant Body - Position 1081-1084: >>>
 
@TinyGiant It's like the 200k thingy. You get it when you reach exactly: 42,344 rep :P
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 darn
 
user4639281
1:04 AM
 
Morning everyone :)
 
user4639281
Morning. We have a python duplicate cv-request above if you wanted to check it out.
 
Let me check.
kevin@Arch ~> git add . && git commit -m "Deal with it, I'm out"
Unsupported use of '&&'. In fish, please use 'COMMAND; and COMMAND'.
fish: git add . && git commit -m "Deal with it, I'm out"
                 ^
@Kyll Your command doesn't work :(
2 hours ago, by TigerhawkT3
Could we get a dupehammer on this? I closed it appropriately but someone reopened it without cause.
This one?
 
user4639281
Well yeah, I posted an actual request after that.
 
^^ That one I think
 
1:14 AM
Oh, also just see that.
 
user4639281
Yeah. I was avoiding reposting it.
 
user4639281
Anyways, there was an argument against its closure as well by Maximillian
 
@TinyGiant Actually you can also see the revisions via edit the post :P Every posts need edit.
 
user4639281
Previously, there were no edits on the post, so there was no edit link.
 
user4639281
I didn't feel like editing, and the user should have posted the target if he wanted us to do anything with it.
 
user4639281
1:20 AM
I hacked the link anyway and included it in my cv-pls request.
 
guys is that Python closure still in someone's mind?
 
Hmm...where's your close vote?
 
you mean where is my thought on the matter?
 
@Drew No, I was talking to Tiny.
 
user4639281
I didn't vote, I don't know enough to say either way and no one has attempted to educate me on why they are duplicates.
 
user4639281
1:28 AM
I've heard an argument against which seems valid, so right now (in my mind) it is 1/0 against closure. I asked you to look at it because you're a python guy.
 
user4639281
@Drew what are your thoughts on the matter?
 
Tigerhawk showed up with a url and no one at all has a [cv-pls] on it
 
user4639281
I put a cv-pls on it.
 
oh I didn't see one
oh you mean the one way long ago ?
but not after reopen ?
 
user4639281
It was after the reopen.
 
1:30 AM
ok
 
user4639281
Tigerhawk came in after it was reopened.
 
@TinyGiant Well, despite OP didn't accept that math.ceil(11/2.0) answer. But it's clear that the question is the same. Yeah we got another answer from the new question, but the question isn't changed. So because the question is the same, I think we can vote to close it as a dupe.
 
ok it was reopened, then a close request by you, but currently there are no close votes as a count on the question when you look at it
 
user4639281
No because I didn't vote, I posted it here so it could be discussed.
 
user4639281
I did it in the form of a cv-pls request because then it is treated like every other cv-pls request.
 
1:32 AM
I don't think it is a dupe. I am no python programmer, but I agree with the non-Tigerhawk camp on this one
I did read the dupe up and down
But that is just my 2 cents
 
user4639281
It seems that the gold badge reopener identified a solution to the problem presented in the second answer on the target.
 
it seems the int vs fp issue made it not rock-solid as a dupe
 
Hmm...
 
user4639281
Yeah, that's what I think. The question seems to be asking about how to solve the problem presented in the second answer on the target, and was provided with a solution.
 
user4639281
Well, not exactly.
 
user4639281
1:37 AM
I think that the answer could exist on the target very easily.
 
I think it could too, but for runtime optimization O(n) should it be directed there. idk
 
user4639281
I don't know, it seems close but not close at the same time.
 
I just find the need to say O(n) once a week. So there were are.
 
user4639281
For that reason, I'm not going to vote.
 
user4639281
@KevinG feel free to convince me otherwise
 
1:40 AM
@TinyGiant Hmm...not about to do that.
The one reason is I'll go to eat breakfast soon.
 
user4639281
k
 
The other one is about, I've just re-read the comments, and checked the reopener's profile. python SCORE 3,144 POSTS 1,295 means he's an old Python programmer.
Hmm...however, breakfast time. afk.
 
user4639281
K
 
2:06 AM
I'm back. @Tiny What does that k mean?
 
user4639281
 
Oh, understand.
 
user3956566
hi all
 
user4639281
Hi :)
 
user4639281
1 message moved to Trash can
 
user4639281
2:15 AM
1 message moved to Trash can
 
Hey
 
2:38 AM
unregistered user; spam site; etc. etc. etc.
 
user4639281
This is not a link-only answer. It definitely isn't a very good answer though.
 
@TinyGiant Oh, that guy who's badges almost more than my rep. Saw an answer of him last night.
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Was it better than that one?
 
Hmm...looks nope. This one looks like a link-only answer.
 
user4639281
The one I just linked isn't actually a link only answer, it is an attempt to answer the question.
 
2:50 AM
@TinyGiant If that was a new answer, and you flagged it... helpful.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad That's the fault of the queue culture, not the fact that the answer referenced above is accepted and upvoted.
 
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's Mogsdad's fault.
 
user4639281
It is an answer, however bad it may be.
 
8(
 
user4639281
2:51 AM
That's hilarious.
 
Am I so boring?
 
user4639281
Nah
 
user4639281
 
3:08 AM
Odd thing. I have received 'helpful' on some flagged answers, yet the answers were not removed by mods.
 
@Mogsdad Links?
Edits can mark NAA flags valid
 
user5365803
does anyone on here know the Golang language?
 
@Undo Flagged this with custom flag noting this as a duplicate.
 
Ah. Yeah, custom flags can only be handled manually by moderators
 
@Undo Not sure how that factors in. Surely some action would be taken before marking the flag helpful.
Unless there's a huge amount of caching involved...
 
3:16 AM
This isn't caching
What action would you suggest?
I suppose the questions could be closed as duplicates of eachother
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Moderators can mark flags helpful and do nothing.
 
user4639281
Which can mean any number of things.
 
@Undo That is exactly the action, and is why I flag duplicate answers. Just an odd result, wondered if anyone had seen it before.
 
@Mogsdad I suspect the moderator who handled it figured that you should just vote to close the question as a duplicate yourself.
 
user4639281
@Undo They would usually decline the flag then, not mark it helpful.
 
user4639281
3:21 AM
I would imagine it is something like "Thanks, we'll keep an eye on it."
 
@Undo I had close-voted the question, so maybe that's it. (Mine is still the only vote, btw.)
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I don't see a close vote on either question...
 
Crap... closed that tab, I bet it was a different dup.
 
@Mogsdad I voted to close it a few minutes ago
 
user4639281
@alirezasafian Too Broad.
 
user4639281
3:29 AM
It isn't a debugging question, so it doesn't need an MCVE.
 
user4639281
It is too broad for Stack Overflow though.
 
@TinyGiant Noted, tnx
 
user4639281
Your welcome.
 
@Closey starting
 
3:35 AM
@Tushar By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Yep
 
@TinyGiant Fine :)
Hmm...if we see an answer doesn't work, should it be deleted or just downvote and move on?
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Downvote, possibly comment (not on your vote but the fact that it doesn't work), then move on.
 
@TinyGiant Yeah, I'm talking about this answer, almost everyone think it should be deleted. But I think it's an answer. The answer's OP was trying to help, despite the solution doesn't work. What do you think about it Tiny?
 
user4639281
3:51 AM
@KevinGuan It's clearly an attempt to answer a question, therefore it should not be flagged as "Not an Answer"; and it doesn't have any severe content or formatting problems, so it should not be flagged as "Very Low Quality". By the current rules, it shouldn't be in the LQPRQ. However, that answer would warrant delete votes, so I can see why someone would "recommend deletion".
 
@TinyGiant agreed
 
Then just downvote and move on. 20K+ users can delete it, or natural selection will take care of it.
 
user4639281
The problem is that the LQPRQ is not used a substitute for the mod's NaA and VLQ queues, it is instead used as a delete vote queue for people who don't get delete votes.
 
@TinyGiant Wait, so all of the choices in VLQ PQ are all NAA choices?
 
user4639281
You don't need to leave a comment for VLQ posts.
 
user4639281
3:55 AM
Gibberish and nonsense do not require a comment.
 
Ah, yeah. So I should choose Recommend Deletion, and don't leave a comment instead of Looks OK?
 
user4639281
If it is truly VLQ.
 
user4639281
Which means that is gibberish and nonsense, not understandable at all whatsoever.
 
@TinyGiant Let's talk about one of my declined VLQ flag.
 
user4639281
Let's see it.
 
user4639281
That's not VLQ or NaA.
 
Yeah, know that after I joined SOCVR
 
user4639281
It's also community wiki from 2013.
 
user4639281
Which is why it would have been declined instead of disputed. A mod would have reviewed that.
 
So however that answer was wrong, but shouldn't be VLQ or NaA. Then what about the answer that we're talking about?
 
user4639281
4:00 AM
brb
 
@Closey end session
 
@Tushar I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I had exactly the same on the same post! ;)
 
user3956566
@Closey starting
 
4:04 AM
@MrsEd By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
user3956566
although I'm not starting for ages
 
@MrsEd REALLY?
 
@alirezasafian voted
 
@Tushar thank you.
 
user177800
python quick fix homework question that needs some help understandnig why this question is poor stackoverflow.com/questions/34215684/…
 
user177800
4:13 AM
giant incomplete code dump
 
user177800
why is this code not working and refuses to improve the question
 
user177800
here is the comment "
listen man i'd just like to know how to skip over the widgets I can't build so i could make that fifth widget."
 
user4639281
4:37 AM
@Jon or @Josilber could one of you ping me when you get a chance? Not horribly important but I have a question.
 
Or Broad too
 
@JarrodRoberson In what way would you like us to help?
 
@Closey starting
 
@approxiblue Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@Closey next 15 tags
 
4:42 AM
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@approxiblue The next 15 tags are: 89, 65, 56, 47, 43, 41, 36, 35, 32, 31, 29, 29, 29, 27, 27
 
user177800
that question is improving with some attention from others, review it is all I am saying
 
user177800
@alirezasafian wow no mcve is the least of that questions problems
 
user177800
@Mogsdad just trying to bring some attention to that question for review, it is improving with some attention
 
@JarrodRoberson It's true.
 
@JarrodRoberson Ok - carry on!
 
4:49 AM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[image]"
passed javascript audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[tcp]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[model-view-controller]"
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 18 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@approxiblue Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@TinyGiant sup
 
user4639281
Go to this message and try to get to the users profile on Stack, all I'm getting is a Page Not Found.
 
user3956566
5:05 AM
@KevinGuan yep, can't find the link...
 
user4639281
Found it through some CSI, but it doesn't match...
 
user4639281
I don't want to make a meta post out of it, but I've been scratching my head since I saw that.
 
@TinyGiant Yup, the account was deleted.
 
user4639281
Ok
 
user4639281
Good to know, thanks.
 
5:09 AM
np
 
@MrsEd Wow :)
 
Give me the code
 
user4639281
5:30 AM
And I'm going to bed. Have a good time everyone. :)
 
night :)
 
Good night
Anybody experiencing this problem
Error 522 Ray ID: 252ecd2b48e82db5 • 2015-12-11 05:31:17 UTC
Connection timed out
 
Hi
@Tushar Yep.
Nothing from stack status also
 
@BhargavRao Working now
 
Yeah. Small cloudflare issues
 
5:40 AM
Night Tiny, Hey Bhargav :)
 
Hi Kevin.
 
user3956566
6:37 AM
I wish people didn't routinely downvote duplicates. the above dupe has an answer that is good and not in the original question, so it is not a good idea to delete the duplicate/
 
user3956566
24
Q: Should good duplicates be up voted - then closed?

Emil HPlenty of questions are duplicates of others, for instance: How do I check out just one file from a remote repository in Git How to checkout only one file from git repository? The questions seem wellformed and articulated in my eyes, but the first is a duplicate of the second. Should I just vot...

 
@MrsEd The question itself is closed as Dupe :D
 
user3956566
@Tushar I know and then there's the questions that ask, should I answer a dup and people answer it and then it's closed as a dup!! :)
 
could be POB. Even a person who wrote 1217 to 1229 (yes the library itself) is still guessing for regression testing. It is never an exact science
 
7:08 AM
Gone
 
7:21 AM
o/
 
@Cerbrus \o
 
Also attracting low-quality answers.
 
This is advertising.
 
@Cerbrus Yeah, I guess it really is spam. Just not the usual robo spam.
 
user3956566
I don't have time to review today, but am checking messages and will vote on posts linked in there
 
7:34 AM
That user:
> I am kane, a Dev & also marketing executive from SimiCart.
 
Also that answer.
 
And the post links to simicart.com
 
locked by Community♦ just now ?
Oh, deleted now.
 
Hmm, the user got deleted.
 
Rightly so
 
7:37 AM
What decides if a user gets deleted or not?
I thought it was done by moderators.
 
Yep
 
So a moderator must have viewed it after Community deleted it?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there's automated deletion of accounts that only ever posted spam
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Yeah, that one.
^ How did this get an upvote?
 
someone was excited about it
 
7:45 AM
:P
 
Morning o/
 
Morning \o
Hmm...I have some ideas about our . What about put them in another room? Since sometimes someone will post some request but it isn't really . We could put them in another room: No joke, always in that format. And If we need a discussion, we can link to that request or that post, and talk about that here.
@Cerbrus I said that
 
user3956566
8:23 AM
how many people have privileges to use smokey? I'm noticing tpu or trueu - Marks a reported post as true positive and adds the poster to the blacklist. == sd k
 
@MrsEd List of everyone privileged to use Smokey github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/globalvars.py
 
user3956566
@Thaillie thnx
 
user3956566
so using sd k is quite a responsibility?
 
Hence the whitelist
 
user3956566
yes, but I noticed a user repeatedly using sd k immediately smokey posted a post, that's why I went and looked it up
 
user3956566
8:30 AM
there would be no time to check what the post was
 
user3956566
I've leave that for you guys to work out
 
Spam is easily recognized
 
Nathan's question ^
Voting to reopen as it has occurred again imgur.com/KXCpRKF.pngBhargav Rao 41 secs ago
 
reopen voted
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus I had observed that as soon as sd posted there is a user who responds immediately with sd k, I figured it was an acknowledgement of sd presence. I was surprised to see what the command means, I am not sure the user fully understands what is happening.
 
8:36 AM
@MrsEd sometimes the post is up for 45 seconds. Once people pounce on it (the smokey thing) the thing is we have a 2 minute window to issue the command to get it removed from this screen
 
@MrsEd Got an example?
 
if we don't, then it is sorta frozen here til an RO cleans it off as far as I know
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus not in a public forum no
 
@Drew: that's "sd gone"
@MrsEd SD is only in a couple of rooms...
 
yesterday, by Tiny Giant
@NathanOliver LOL
 
user3956566
8:39 AM
@Drew what I am referring to is the 'sd k' command which == 'sd tpu' which blacklists the user. and the user would repsond immediately to sd with 'sd k', there was no way the user could see the post to be able to make that call
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus yep, I'm only in this room :)
 
However, there's also no Hot meta post here again.
 
I'm thinking of adding an answer with the logs i.e whenever it went.
 
@MrsEd So, you've seen it happen here.
So, please link us to an example.
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus on numerous occassions
 
8:40 AM
Examples
 
user3956566
I will see if I can find the times on them, that's the hardest part
 
you mean the one link 10 to 20 lines up from Cerbrus?
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus I hear ya Cerbrus ;)
 
user3956566
@Drew maybe
 
user3956566
let me look, there's more than one
 
user3956566
8:41 AM
is there a quick way to see the time stamps on chat messages?
 
@MrsEd Actually sd k is sd tpu-.
 
Click the arrow to the left of the message
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan yes
 
Then hover over "posted X ago"
 
user3956566
8:43 AM
@Drew it's not Cerbrus
 
That one was obvious spam. Doesn't take more than 5 seconds to recognize it.
Heck, make that "a second"
 
well @MrsEd the k a.k.a. tpu- is one thing. Then it ages for a bit, not long, then the gone
 
user3956566
@Drew huh?
 
user3956566
I'm checking timestamps
 
user3956566
takes forever
 
8:46 AM
k = tpu- .... I don't know why I am even explaining this :P
 
Very relevant:
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Q: Show seconds in chat timestamp titles

CerbrusI just noticed when looking at a message's details, that chat timestamps only show hh:mm: Could "seconds" be added to that title?

 
user3956566
@SmokeDetector @Cerbrus
 
Obvious spam that doesn't take more than a second to recognize.
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus wouldn't you need to see the actual post?
 
user3956566
I can't see the post, do spam posts stay on the site?
 
8:54 AM
@SmokeDetector @MrsEd that one.
I opened it in a new tab, tabbed back, sd-k, then voted
Doesn't take but a few seconds
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus oh yeh, what about the one I linked you
 
That one was obvious spam that I could've k'd in 2 seconds.
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus the one I linked you?
 
Aye
 
user3956566
ok, well that's cool, I checked the others and there was enough time delay, so I have misinterpreted it
 
8:56 AM
Plop!
 
Hey
 
Can we sd k manually reported answers?
 
No need
 
no need to I think
 
auto sd k
 
8:57 AM
k
 
no sd k
:)
 
tuna k
That one I didn't even need to open
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus yeh I can see that
 
sd ...
!!/blame
Broken?
!!/blame
What?
 
Hah
 
8:59 AM
^^^ That
:D
 
a smart bot
 
lol
 
fine
 
actually
 

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