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3:00 PM
@ManOfGod noo.... just no. dont do that ><
 
@Sippy s/still/again
 
@ManOfGod there is no single resource. don't ever 'convert for web' or w/e the option is.
 
It used to be IE6
 
old photoshop at least, not even sure CC generates tables anymore.
 
@ManOfGod take the generated code and throw it away
 
3:00 PM
Not sure what is worse :P
 
just open the design in one window, the editor in the other and start coding
 
@ManOfGod So the first thing is that you shouldn't use literal Fireworks output for your web development.
 
@PeeHaa rofl
 
ok, i have to take mr. doge out before it gets too hot.
 
If you have Photoshop or Fireworks designs, implement those manually
 
3:00 PM
@cimmanon o/
 
has everyone noticed the entire room has been salty as fuck all morning :P
 
Photoshop generated! ahah, was for sure
 
> I need help
> **YOU ARE WRONG!**
 
Fuck you too
 
3:01 PM
@PeeHaa <3
 
Love you
 
@ManOfGod head over to getbootstrap.com
learn LESS
 
This is my original design in Photoshop but i had to convert this into a design so i sliced it with fireworks since this is the one i know most.
 
you shouldn't ever 'slice a design'
we don't do that anymore
we realized ten years ago it was a bad idea
 
My problem with bootstrap is that when i put for example 2 column together with bootsrap, it creates a space between them
 
3:02 PM
@ManOfGod LEARN LESS :P
you can control the gutters
 
Ok no more slicing
 
or omit them completely.
 
That's a trolling tool from Adobe since the beginning
 
but learn MORE (while learning LESS!)
 
boostrap has a custom builder - you can set gutters to 0 there
 
3:03 PM
@ManOfGod you can use getbootstrap.com/customize to change it however you want.
 
@Loktar dammit loke!
:P
 
lol
 
Learn CSSNext!
 
@CuddleBunny eh late paste :P
 
3:03 PM
ok.
 
@mikedidthis woah usually you're a proponent of less
 
edit the less directly and recompile
 
/me looks into cssnext
 
I'm doing some sites for a guy who accidentally put a 13th column in their PSD template and made like 40 pages that way.
 
3:04 PM
So will i be able to do this today ?
 
@ManOfGod You're entertaining you should stick around
 
@ManOfGod if you're a quick learner maybe -- but understand cutting up a image and pasting it back together with tables is very much the wrong way to do it
 
@Loktar moved to CSSNext in my last project, it's hella good. I don't see a need for LESS / SASS.
 
because from what i see, then i really have more work to do and i have to deliver this today
 
Learn Dreamw... ok, not this one.
 
3:05 PM
@mikedidthis Would CSSNext try to be true to CSS though and not have neat extras that LESS might have?
that is the only reason I wrote it off.
 
> cssnext is a CSS transpiler that allows you to use the latest CSS syntax today. It transforms new CSS specs into more compatible CSS so you don't need to wait for browser support.
tl;dr use future CSS level 4 shit, today.
 
so no mixins?
no loops?
@mikedidthis die in a fire
"CSS4"
 
@rlemon Ok but did you see the design i uploded ? It is just an image. How can i turn that into a design and a responsive one with bootstrap row. I Know about bootstrap row but i do not know about less and how to remove the space bootstrap place between things
 
@ManOfGod by learning LESS and not trying to take short cuts
 
@rlemon I don't use mixins. No loops sadly, just copy / paste :|
 
3:06 PM
code it
 
@ManOfGod just use the image as a reference, and build it from scratch. You have much more control that way.
 
@mikedidthis but but but you said "css4"
 
why are we promoting bootstrap in here?
 
@cimmanon why not?
if you take the time to customize it bootstrap does produce a nice design in half the time (for non-designers)
 
@rlemon better?
 
3:07 PM
@mikedidthis hi
 
@mikedidthis yes
2.9
 
@cimmanon Hey shut up will ya. It's either bootstrap or a turd for me :)
 
arent you the same guy who insists that people shouldnt use jquery unless they understand javascript?
 
@rlemon Ok. God bless you all. I will learn less but as at now is there no possibility for me to fix this ?
 
@cimmanon understanding CSS does not make you a good designer
 
3:08 PM
@rlemon 2.9
@xvilo \o
 
@rlemon yes, but you arent going to know how to make the changes you want if you dont understand css to begin with
 
@ManOfGod you've created a convoluted design. this is why we advocate against such tools. it is very very hard to maintain / edit it
 
I wish bootstrap would have only the grid and not all the extra garbage by default instead of my having to go uncheck all the boxes...
 
@CuddleBunny So if i do not slice the image, how do i use it as a reference and where should i do that ? at getbootstrap.com/customize ?
 
@CuddleBunny yeah, must be a pain to uncheck all the things, to get free stuff :|
 
3:09 PM
so bootstrap. much wow pieterhordijk.com
 
@cimmanon I think you're misunderstanding me. I advocate you learn JS before you use jQuery, just like you should know CSS basics before you jump into a css framework. but advocating a css framework isn't a bad idea, just like using jQuery isn't a bad idea.
I am a shyte designer, without tools like bootstrap I'd never get a half decent site off the ground
 
^ same
 
@mikedidthis I look at it like this, free or not if one person responsible for maintaining it does something so thousands of people need not uncheck things it makes the human race as a whole more efficient. I'd do the same if it was mine.
 
@CuddleBunny real developers don't use the customize form
they edit the less files and recompile
 
3:13 PM
I have a part of my form that is conditional (check a box and I now care about said values)
should I hide/show them based on the box or just enable/disable them ?
(UX question)
 
@rlemon then I still need to remove imports for the features I don't use... If I could grab a clean grid-only copy right from <random package manager> it would make life easier.
 
@CuddleBunny so make a project that does that :P
 
@rlemon If their visibility can confuse the end-user, hide em. If it doesn't matter that they see them then you can disable.
 
Speaking about generating things, did someone have already tried thegrid.io ? I'm getting curious about this.
 
@RedBreast no
that's old and a sham
 
3:16 PM
@TylerH a sham?
 
@RedBreast if they used their own product to create that home page I wouldn't use it...
 
ahah
 
well, IIRC they want you to pay like $3,000 or something
for something not worth $3,000
or w/e the cost was
Oct 27 '14 at 17:22, by TylerH
http://thegrid.io I'm skeptical
 
> We plan to offer the service for $25 per month for a regular subscription. However, you can lock in a discounted rate of $8 per month by becoming a Founding Member during the pre-order period. After the first year, you'll be locked-in at the $8 per month rate for as long as you maintain an active subscription.
 
'14, rofl
just discovered this stuff a few weeks ago with trolling hipsters designer like "change your profession lolol, developers will be useless now, lolol"
 
3:19 PM
the site can't even load properly
nty
that site was designed with the (terrible) flavor of the week one week back in 2014
and it's obvious
 
so salty.
 
their website is clearly shit but was wondering if someone actually paid to try this. I'm also curious about their API coming out "soon"
 
XD
@mikedidthis not as salty as me
im a crab
i live in the sea
 
there's lots of salt there.
Make me an avatar pls kthxbai
 
3:23 PM
fuck me running! I wrote all of the HTML in a fiddle, THOUGHT I copied it, closed the fiddle, clipboard is empty
FML
 
ctrl + shift + t, open dev tools and hope it shows
 
@rlemon that's what you get for writing HTML
 
@ZachSaucier nope
you wanna know what WAS in my clipboard?
when I said "clipboard was empty" clearly I meant "empty of code"
 
clearly
I wonder when, exactly, people started using salty instead of bitter
and I find it interesting that they chose another taste
 
wouldn't salty come before bitter?
 
3:38 PM
?
 
we used too (and some primates still do) dip roots and such into sea water to clean and 'flavour' it
 
I mean the words
 
ohh
 
like, "I'm bitter about something"
 
OHHHHHHH
yea I get it now
 
3:39 PM
hehe
 
> salty (adj.)
U.S. slang sense of "angry, irritated" is first attested 1938 (probably from similar use with regard to sailors, "tough, aggressive," attested by 1920), especially in phrase jump salty "to unexpectedly become enraged." Related: Saltily.
 
hm
 
@TylerH from etymonline.com/…
 
impregnated with salt
I wish more people used that term outside of babies
 
user365265
4:04 PM
I am programming a webapp, that can open and edit specific file types. Would you use a <table> or a <ul> list (role=list) for an accessible FileBrowser (WAI-Aria) ?
 
user365265
don't know if this is a valid question for SO, since i do not want to risk any downvoting
 
@mate64 what does the data look like? if youre presenting file data like filename, bytes, file type, last modified, then a table is totally appropriate (1 row per file)
 
user365265
simplified:
Icon | Name | Action
=========================================
Folder Downloads [role=menu: Rename, Delete]
PDF Lorem_ipsum.pdf [role=menu: View, Rename, Edit, Delte]
 
otherwise, if it just a list of filenames, then a list would be appropriate
 
user365265
it would be perfect for a table, but i want to get a German accessibility certificate by TÜV (for blind people)
 
user365265
4:09 PM
it is mixed, but basically it is
ICON + FILENAME + ACTION MENU
 
@mate64 tables are not inherently inaccessible.
 
morning
 
its only when you use tables for layout and not for presenting tabular data that you start having accessibility problems
 
user365265
nah, haven't used table layouts since ... 2003 ?
 
user365265
Icon        | Name             | Action
=========================================
folder.png  | ./Downloads      | [role=menu: Rename, Remove]
pdf.png     | Lorem_ipsum.pdf  | [role=menu: View, Rename, Remove]
jpg.png     | Batmans_Cave.jpg | [role=menu: View, Rename, Remove]
 
4:19 PM
there are some extra attributes you can use to give hints to UAs that know how to use them, but i dont think very many people know about them
 
user365265
fits perfect in a table
 
user365265
and a role=list too
 
user365265
damn
 
looks like a table to me
 
user365265
ok
 
4:20 PM
i dont know if any UAs can take advantage of those attributes, though
 
user365265
it's a webapp for firefox desktop and firefox os, and chrome / os
 
I wonder if you could use a datalist
 
@TylerH for what?
 
user365265
datalist instead of menu ?
 
user365265
role
 
user365265
4:23 PM
good idea
 
data lists are for forms? i dont see how they would be relevant here
 
user365265
> The <datalist> tag is used to provide an "autocomplete" feature on <input> elements. Users will see a drop-down list of pre-defined options as they input data.
 
I was just wondering out loud
 
user365265
i will stick to the role menu
 
4:25 PM
I'm not really paying much attention, busy trying to fix idiot errors with IIS
 
user365265
IIS, my condolences
 
user365265
ask twice, work once
 
user365265
i kno
 
user365265
coffee and doughnouts make me lazy
 
user365265
toxic combination
 
user365265
4:33 PM
all my open source apps are accessible
 
The presence of a Gator made me seriously question his veracity, for sure... — TylerH Jul 15 at 1:45
 
user365265
2.50 € at your local aldi
 
@TylerH i lol'd
 
user365265
those cookies are more toxic than chinese food
 
user365265
i make push ups at work, once an hour
 
user365265
4:39 PM
x 45
 
user365265
zend ceritifed
 
I am using bootstrap3. I have two columns (unequal width) and I am trying to make image on right-side column go all the way through (to the right edge of viewport). How to accomplish this?
 
user365265
@FrankZwan lol
 
@FrankZwan Bootstrap docs?
I have been searching, and I found fluid row etc. but I don't entire viewport's width to get divided in 12 columns. I only want container's width for the sake of calculation. I just want image on right-side to overflow.
 
user365265
do not listen to hip hop
 
user365265
 
@FrankZwan are you being obnoxious on purpose to be funny or does it just come natural to you?
 
user365265
well, hip hop was acceptable in the 90s
 
well it stopped being funny after the first minute
 
Hi, i have problem with css! can any one help me ( i can't speak english good ;) )
 
user365265
sounds like music for coons
 
4:50 PM
my html :
 
@OmidNasri post it in a fiddle (jsfiddle.net)
 
@FrankZwan Any pointers?
 
anyone can help with a bit of hardware?
 
@PraxisAshelin What happened to your grammar? :(
rip grammar
 
4:52 PM
whoa
Ex Machina is pretty rad
 
Oh
 
@Sippy gomen
 
I read anyone can help me*
 
user365265
@PraxisAshelin i have a home server for compiling
 
nothing to see here
 
4:53 PM
@mate64 wat
@PraxisAshelin What's up duck? :P
 
user365265
html/css/js is just a hobby, i am a linux engineer
 
user365265
@Sippy 2 x xeon
 
What do you build that requires a dedicated server to compile?
I just compile shit on my desktop ...
Also linux engineer means nothing to me
 
when I want to install windows, it shows a 8GB partition and when I select it it says:
> Windows cannot be installed to this hard disk space. The partition was reserved by the computer's Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM).
 
Is that just a linux power user?
 
4:54 PM
is it safe to delete / format this partition?
or is that like, a really bad idea
 
@PraxisAshelin Does it have shit on it?
 
@Sippy probably embedded
 
sounds like a bad idea
 
@StephanMuller it does sound like it, but it may be the solution to my issue, as I read
 
Oh if it's an OEM partition probably leave it, though it shouldn't matter.
 
4:54 PM
@Sippy no idea, never heard of this partition
 
Do you have a clean hard drive?
One that you can swap out?
 
I have a corrupt ntfs image that I wanna recover
 
user365265
oh no windows again
 
dd'd the old drive last night
linux won't mount it :/
 
rip
 
user365265
4:55 PM
haven't used windows since 2000
 
I'm not having that conversation
 
user365265
ntfs lol, worst file format ever
 
@Sippy the drive itself mounts, but is crazy slow and probably damaging itself.
but the dd'd image doesn't
 
user365265
@superuser
 
user365265
 
4:56 PM
 
listen! it is the hdd out of my very first laptop. I wanna see what kinda porn I had on it from 2000
 
user365265
 
@rlemon Fair.
Back in the day when people saved porn
 
user365265
@Sippy from .htaccess secured sites
 
dude, Kazza all day
 
user365265
4:58 PM
eDonkey
 
Never heard of Kazza lol
Limewire
 
@Sippy you are too young
 
I am.
 
kazaa* filled the gap Napster left
then limewire came in later
 
I was alive for Napster
I just never used Napster. Lol
 
4:59 PM
I was all over napster.
 
user365265
kazaa was a botnet btw
 
5 days to download a mp3. yes
 
gg
 
@mate64 most of that crap was and is
 
user365265
good old modem times
 

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