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12:01 PM
@Nik Mr.Kim will watch that movie.
He actually like to use internet.
 
Nik
@lv0gun9 For the sake of the Green Goblin Jr. and Seth Mcfarlane , you better hope not.
hey guys do you have a policy on gifs in this room?
 
idunno
 
@Sippy That's insulting to me
I program regularly in Java I'll have you know
 
@Neil good
 
@Nik Yes. Use as many as you like, as long as we like them too
don't quote me on that though
 
12:05 PM
Why is it that my boss gets to make major screw-ups but still people hold him in high esteem yet when I make a minor mistake, it's all "Could we have avoided this somehow, Neil?"
 
Because he's the boss and you work in a top-down hierarchy?
 
Today my boss essentially managed to take out a major component on a production machine
It was my component, but he decided to swap out the database from underneath so it stopped working (weird, eh?)
@StephanMuller I get that he's the boss, but why the high-esteem part?
 
Nik
@Neil Your boss isn't you friend, Dave.
 
@Nik I didn't make this mistake :P
 
@Neil The problem in my experience is that very often people will hold him in high esteem because he is the boss
 
12:08 PM
He's a nice enough guy, and he also programs, so he does know a bit about my world
 
Nik
@Neil Exactly the problem.
 
Though he is often asked technical questions to which he doesn't know the answer, but rather than say he doesn't know (like you'd expect), he pulls an answer out of a hat
Then he'll tell me later that we have to do it like that, and often it's like, "Wait, you do know MS SQL Server can't be installed on a linux machine, right?"
 
Nik
@Neil If I were your boss, and I were asked something from your expertise, I'd pull you out of the hat. Doesn't that make more sense?
 
8
A: Is it OK to edit the question to change the author's intention

CerbrusTo answer your main question: "Is it OK to edit the question to change the author's intention?" Absolutely not. Completely changing the intentions of the question is never a good idea. Your linked example used to be a "What does code X do?" question, but the edit changed it to "Is the compiler...

this was a nice little fight to read
 
Nik
@Neil Oh, I didn't know that. don't the colonels of the linux army support Gate marriage?
@rlemon Programming makes people go numb.
 
12:11 PM
@Nik my boss would say yes
@Nik Precisely, this is what bosses should do
If you don't have an answer, you use the people underneath to formulate an answer
 
right
 
It's a bit like shooting first and asking questions later
 
@Nik noooo, being a cocky sumbich makes people cocky sumbiches :P programming has nothing to do with it
 
Lets build a solution and afterwards we'll ask for the specifications..
 
I miss HIMYM
if only it wasn't such a terrible ending I'd watch it again
 
Nik
12:13 PM
@Neil exactly why you have big fat companies in the first place
@rlemon that ending was worth 10 seasons.
 
@Nik There's nothing wrong with that
 
@Nik that ending was the worst ending of any sitcom I've ever watched
worse than Seinfeld ending.
 
If you need the people that fix your problems, then they should be there
 
Nik
@rlemon ... worse than the Dexter's Lab ending? Oh wait, it didn't have an ending!
 
yes\
 
12:14 PM
Wait, what was the ending to Dexter's Lab?
 
Seinfeld! even I never watched sitcoms but I heard about it.
 
worse than the MASH ending
 
Worse than the children's hospital ending
 
@Nik it ended when I stopped watching cartoon network
 
you guys must watch Korean TV show. It worse than yours.
 
Nik
12:15 PM
@rlemon That's it. You're officially kicked out of the Kids Next Door.
 
sweet
don't wanna hang around a bunch of brats anyways
:D
 
Nik
@rlemon The irony is that that's going to be the rest of your life.
 
I can't catch your words. Google translator is not working for me :(
 
I liked dexter's lab :(
 
@Nik what makes you think that?
 
12:18 PM
dexter's lab. I know.
 
I choose who I associate with
 
I didn't like all the shows. Johnny Bravo was a character, but I could have done without it though
 
@Neil in HS art I did a nice big painting of dexter in his lab
didi was skipping in the background
 
anybody watched adventure time?
 
Nik
@rlemon I have the right to withhold that information
@lv0gun9 check my math.se page
 
12:18 PM
@Nik cool story
 
@lv0gun9 Yep
 
what is math.se ?
 
Man dexter is good
 
lol
i got it
 
Nik
12:20 PM
Guys, thanks very much for that devdocs link!
You've saved me from tons of questions.
I was wondering if someone had a good list of links to share.
 
I try to make web service; sharing code snippet.
 
!!resources
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Nik
@CapricaSix I love you. So much. If you have something like that for canvas, I'd pop a ring out.
 
12:24 PM
!!tell Nik gfy
 
(psst, caprica is a bot)
 
@Nik just ask @Loktar or @rlemon
@StephanMuller you're a bot!
 
@CapricaSix you're a mean doodoo head :(
 
she just ran out crying, you happy Stephan?
 
Nik
12:25 PM
@StephanMuller I've asked this before but um, could you link me to that github page so that I can download and set up the caprica bot for another room?
 
that's just how I like my girls
@Nik she's not mine though
 
!!tell Nik help
 
@Nik Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
Lol
Silly teamviewer
 
Nik
@CapricaSix sexy... lol
 
12:25 PM
 
hmm
 
what room did you want her in BTW?
 
bedroom
duh
 
I'm slutty, I can move around to any room you want
 
Nik
lol
 
12:26 PM
lol
don't do that.
stay here.
 
Nik
@CapricaSix how do you say things like that?
 
I'm really just a very fat userscript running on rlemons pc
Zirak wrote me
 
Nik
@rlemon A stackexchange room, don't worry.
 
a lot of the commands don't work on SE rooms FYI
but you are free to use the code
Zirak has installation instructions on the repo
 
Nik
@rlemon oh, so, what was it written for exactly?
 
12:28 PM
honestly? christmas eve 3-4 years ago Zirak was bored and wanted someone to play hangman with
so he wrote the bot
 
Nik
@rlemon Gosh, I need friends like you.
 
I only host the bot. I made the caprica account once the bot started to get too large to be hosted on an existing users account.
 
Nik
@rlemon oh, so, you wouldn't by chance be able to tell me how I could re-direct an instance of cleverbot to chat with all my facebook friends on my behalf would you?
 
I probably could figure it out
 
What's the difference between background-image: and background. Sometimes I find the first one doesn't work, whereas the latter does. WHy?
 
12:31 PM
cleverbot api + mutation observers probably would get the job done
@StevensHaen background is a shorthand property
!!mdn css background
 
Nik
@rlemon If you do make it, the 8-year old me would bow at your feet. It's been a dream for so long.
 
@rlemon I am disappointed with the Cleverbot. It doesn't look at context.
 
@StevensHaen yea it does sometimes make little sense
 
Nik
@StevensHaen Alice is as nice is you treat her right.
 
12:33 PM
It takes questions in isolation. This is not even a step forward to AI
 
cleverbot only has server apis
so nope
don't feel like setting up heroku :P
maybe later
 
Nik
@StevensHaen Ruby Sparks is the most forward step to AI that I've seen in this century.
 
o/
 
!!youtube say something
^ friendly reminder this room exists
 
A big company has to step in and invest in the Cleverbot
 
12:35 PM
@rlemon alright then
 
Nik
@rlemon did you like store each one of these links to the commands manually.
 
!!lol
 
@lv0gun9 All commands forgotten.
 
29 messages moved to Sandbox
 
-3-
 
12:40 PM
now, if you wanna play, do it in the sandbox
she also hangs in there for people to play with and learn the commands
 
you.
 
ye lemon
 
what lemon?
 
dat lemon
 
le lemon
 
12:41 PM
ze lemone`
 
DIE LEMONE!!!
 
el Lemon`
 
^ german, guys, not english. not die, as in.. well.... die
Die Zitrone... better
 
the yellow citric fruit
 
unexceptable condition?
 
Nik
12:44 PM
UNACCEPTABLE!
 
ok I got it!
 
Nik
 
huh?
 
I like his voice
 
in JavaScript, 40 mins ago, by Anand
Guys, Which one is efficient, Jquery or JS and why?
 
Nik
12:47 PM
@CSᵠ Um, I'd say JS because with JQuery, you've so much fat junk when you load the library file.
 
lolol
 
:)
 
is there any difference between in using <input type="hidden" ...> and <input type="text" style="display:none;" ...> ? , i am validating form and i need to get type of text
 
12:48 PM
@NullPoiиteя from passed vars, no
 
Nik
@rlemon Glad to the actor has a life.
 
@NullPoiиteя some screen readers might see a difference.
@Nik dats me
 
@NullPoiиteя change type dynamically (:evil:)
 
i am too lazy to write extra code :P , thanks
 
@NullPoiиteя then, whatev is faster to type :P
 
Nik
12:51 PM
@rlemon .... Nice bod... I'm so soryy aboutyour face though.
 
Hey Rob, are you still working out much?
 
don't worry, his faces are inter-changeable , he's got a horse one lined up next
 
jQuery all the way :D
 
Nik
@CSᵠ Wow
 
!!tell NullPoiиteя ead
 
12:53 PM
@NullPoiиteя Eat a Dick™
 
@Nik yeah... two-face, scar-face, etc
 
@GNi33 not in the last 2-3 weeks
 
busy?
 
I fell and sprained my wrist pretty bad, bruised up my elbow, fractured my fore arm, and slipped a my L4
 
Nik
12:55 PM
@CSᵠ ... and this man has a job!?
 
so I'm out of the gym for like another month at least
 
@Nik at least 2 jobs of course
 
@CSᵠ it would be really cool to add this link with that command youtube.com/watch?v=7P9ojqr8Tv4
 
@rlemon oooh, right
forgot about that. how is recovery coming along?
 
@GNi33 yea I'm not pleased about that
recovery is okay. slower than I'd like
MY GAINS!
 
12:56 PM
sucks
 
ead needs sources?
 
I've been out this week too. catched the flu
 
first couple days I wasn't even able to type with that hand. sucked hard man.
one handed typing is not very productive
 
@rlemon you joking, L4 ?
 
@CSᵠ ya there should be ( how to eat and helpful information ) , :D
 
12:57 PM
fuck
 
Nik
@GNi33 cached the flu?
 
@CSᵠ yup, second time
last time (early last year) I slipped L4 and L6
 
goddammit, not good my english is today
 
so I think it just wasn't fully recovered and hence doing it again
 
@NullPoiиteя don't forget youtu.be/bek1y2uiQGA?t=36s
also that was msg :22339999
 
12:59 PM
physio is a joke. 10 minutes "did you do the exercise I told you to do? yup does it still hurt? yup Okay see you next week. that'll be $75"
:sigh:
 
@rlemon i broke my legs as a kid quite a few times, and 10 yrs ago my hand, awful, hard to type, i feel ya :(
 
I v never broken anything x.x
 
@CSᵠ lol , that girl in song is like a monster
 
I've broken a lot .. I was a clumsy kid
 
@rlemon you were a supermario nerd!!!
:D
 
1:02 PM
@Worf I did enjoy the Super Mario World
 
i v never broken anything too but had thousands of scratches ( got stitched my self like cloths )
 
kart driver, karate, bike accident(s), parkour, nice times
 
I only broke a collarbone once, which, looking back, is pretty incredible
 
we used to GT through the forest.
 
@CSᵠ i used to drive karts too :D 50cc junior
 
1:03 PM
probably not a great idea
 
was used to having a rock tied to my foot
 
Skateboarding, Snowboarding, Downhill Mountainbiking, generally being a complete idiot whenever I got in touch with nature
 
@Worf i was in a juniors club, they made us learn the mechanics before driving, i hated that, hence, i'm shit at mechanics now
 
lol
 
cracked my skull twice, broke my ankle, broke my wrist, broke my hand like ugh times, broke/cracked all of my ribs, broke my nose a handful of times, fingers and toes I'm not even counting... and none of these come with a good story even, just me doing dumb shit.
 
1:05 PM
@CSᵠ lol , drive at 30miles/hour and you wont need much mechanics :P
 
i just used to drive them, but i know something about their mechanics. i had to quit when we realized how expensive driving karts is
 
@rlemon O.o
the fuck man were you a crash test dummy?
 
@GNi33 shit, 3 yrs ago sprained my left shoulder, and 2yrs ago my right, downhill, same track, damn
 
@Kitler put a nail into my knee one jumping out of a tree as a kid.
 
two sets of tyres / day, pem pem, 200€
 
1:06 PM
it was hiding in the grass, I landed and fell to my knees.. BOOM
 
lol, rolfing here
we've all been hurt, only our hearts stand unhurt <3
 
my stories are funny, at me expense.
 
lol
 
like the time I tried to cut an ice cube in half and ended up lobbing off the end of my pinky
 
hahaha
 
1:09 PM
why did I wanna cut the ice cube in half? because it wouldn't fit in the pop can and I was like 7 and retarded
 
what the hell are you doing, man?
 
AHAHHAHA
 
damn, i have one it's not funny either way, not even sad, not even dumb
 
hahahahah
 
Hey, anyone knows why normalize.css removes all table space?
http://jsfiddle.net/an0u724b/
It doesn't seem normal
 
1:09 PM
@rlemon CUT MY MILK !!
 
@Jonathan border collapse ?
 
When I remove normalize.css in doesn't look anything like that in the 4 main browsers
 
you know what normalize.css does right?
makes them all 'normal' ... i.e. the same
/* Tables
   ========================================================================== */

/**
 * Remove most spacing between table cells.
 */

table {
  border-collapse: collapse;
  border-spacing: 0;
}

td,
th {
  padding: 0;
}
 
!!urban normalize.css
 
@CSᵠ No definition found for normalize.css
 
1:12 PM
this bit gets applied ^^
 
I know, but it's not "normal" as none of the main ua stylesheets have it
it's "reset"
 
because those styles are stupid
 
you're adding your own meaning to those words
oh nvm
 
Normalization or normalisation may refer to: == Mathematics and statistics == Normalization (statistics), adjustments of values or distributions in statistics Quantile normalization, statistical technique for making two distributions identical in statistical properties Normalizing (abstract rewriting), an abstract rewriting system in which every object has at least one normal form Normalization property (abstract rewriting), a property of a rewrite system in mathematical logic and theoretical computer science Normalizing constant, in probability theory a constant to make a non-negative function...
 
@StephanMuller No, those are the author's
 
1:14 PM
@CapricaSix that's not what I was looking for
 
@Jonathan w3c specifies default styles. browsers don't implement them the same
normalize.css doesn't choose one 'browser' and normalize to it, it normalizes the css completely.
because browsers are often wrong.
 
> Normalize.css makes browsers render all elements more consistently and in line with modern standards. It precisely targets only the styles that need normalizing.
 
isn't that what I just said, but smarter?
 
Can it target my balls?
 
Its not a reset, its a leveler.
 
1:15 PM
one's been hanging lower than the other
 
Ok, the problem it causes is that it resets the tds for FF and IE but not in my chrome
 
@Kitler that is supposed to happen
 
@Kitler that is natures design
 
does that mean my testicles only descended 2 days ago? O.o
 
@Jonathan your going to need to show an example. Also check the repo for issues.
 
1:17 PM
in other news. @Kitler lol
2
 
@rlemon LOL
 
IE
Chrome
 
@BoltClock wanna tl;dr it for me?
 
1:18 PM
@rlemon It says that browsers "designated (possibly as a user option) as supporting the suggested default rendering" MUST implement default rendering as outlined in section 10. Except what the hell does "designated as supporting the suggested ..." mean
 
Chrome UA
 
(Browsers without this designation don't have to follow those rendering guidelines at all)
 
@BoltClock "guidelines" are like suggested speed limits. you can suggest w/e you want, I'll do whatever the hell I want :D
@Kitler imgur.com/a/bGd78?gallery you're welcome
 
@rlemon speed limits are suggested anyway, only the stop sign is mandatory
 
@rlemon Yeah, and normativity means I can call your implementation wrong and discriminate against you all I want :P
 
1:20 PM
@CSᵠ not in Canada, we have actual limits and suggested speeds. white signs are limits, yellow signs are suggestions
they suggest we slow down on corners and ramps. fuck them
 
@rlemon whaaaaaaaaaa
 
!!google "advisory speed sign" + canada
 
check it out
 
1:22 PM
Omg... I apologise
My webserver cached the html, it never load normalize for Chrome -.-
 
@rlemon my fav i.imgur.com/J6NcemG.jpg :P
 
lul
 
hides in shame
 
1:24 PM
@rlemon Same here, but different colors
 
that album is full of gold. GOLD JERRY GOLD!
 
i.imgur.com/pUhM7NX.jpg This means 50 km/h is suggested (I'm assuming max speed is 80 km/h here).
 
when I'm on my motorbike it means "hang on tight, we're about to have fun"
 
@StephanMuller pretty much
 
1:26 PM
to the teaching-mobile!! i feel like how w3schools editors must be feeling
!!urban w3schools
 
just like speed bumps mean: "time to get some air"
 
@Worf w3schools a site created by webdevelopers whose only purpose is to misinform other webdevelopers in order to keep their job
 
later
 
@rlemon I feel bad for the poor guy that inspired that person on the show. He probably saw Seinfeld and thought, "Wait.. that's supposed to be me?"
 
1:32 PM
@Worf Qapla'
 
@Kitler really cool
 
@Kitler ossm, now if you would fix the bugs...
 
@CSᵠ +1 lol
The most annoying thing about that library is that if you mouse out of the image it fucks all that shit up.
 
1:47 PM
yup
 
<span id="moisture-line-chart-inlet-value"> when are id's too verbose?
 
Could someone tell me why my IIS is still showing a file?
after I have deleted it.
 
@LiamHardy you may not deleted it :D or deleted from another folder or my be due to caching
 
This is what my friend said, How can I stop caching?
I have added a .css rule in output caching but still the same..
 
@CSᵠ not my lib vOv
 
1:56 PM
have you restarted IIS since deleting it?
 
Yes
 
ok nvm then :P
 
the main server AND the website
 
have you considered using a server that doesn't suck?
 
nginx FTW
 
1:57 PM
IIS doesn't suck..
 
@rlemon I broke permissions on my server, gonna get a new droplet up and running this weekend going with nginx instead of apache
 
FWIW, all servers suck
all programming languages also suck pretty bad
 
is nginx better?
 
we're getting better tho
 
And does it solve the caching issue?
 
1:58 PM
@LiamHardy nginx is my favorite. I've used IIS and apache
nginx just seems faster and more stable.
configuring it is a dream as well
 
Nik
!!goog rlemon
 
have any of you guys done anything in the Stolowe Mountains? cc @easwee @Worf
 
@rlemon does it fix my caching issue?
 
@LiamHardy if you configure it proper
but you can also configure your IIS to solve your issue
no, I do not know how because I dont' know your issue
 
1:59 PM
I have added a rule.. but its still the same
 
"caching" isn't descriptive or helpful
 
Would you help me with nginx If I did get stuck with the same problem?
 

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