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Zoe
8:00 AM
hence the "also ask to get" part :p
 
I should probably get to bed if I'm not going to use a caffeine IV tomorrow.
 
@CodyGray I was once a QA on an MMO, and was discussing with some other devs, how to write a one-liner that killed everybody on the server. I wrote it in the chat like: clone devtool; <command1>; <command2>

The client I was using, translated all my semicolons into newlines, and I already had the tool cloned. So after that, I took a break for 6 months.
 
Okay, my curiosity got the better of me and I posted an answer to the question whose existence still doesn't make much sense.
 
@Gowiser Sounds like you'd be the perfect moderator: able to optimize commonly-performed tasks, such as deleting user accounts.
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@RyanM Maybe you'll get an answer from Community?
 
8:03 AM
@CodyGray I hope so! That'd be exciting, I've always wanted to meet them.
 
Anyways, thank you for the great work you do. I couldn't do it. Have a great day.
 
You're welcome!
 
where are all the comments?
 
Comments are only visible on the "Nomination" tab.
 
I enjoy that you can tell that two moderators have upvoted the comment requesting the questionnaire be filled out, because no one else can :-)
 
8:10 AM
oh right, the comments are locked ^^
 
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Zoe The correct name is obviously "πŸ™ Hello and thanks for voting for me πŸ‘"
 
Zoe
I think people respond more if they feel they're getting something out of it :p
 
@VLAZ so glad that's not a valid display name
 
Zoe
And a name like that could backfire and result in fewer votes, because people think they've automatically voted for you or something
 
8:24 AM
Or because "ugh, emojis!"
 
"Vote for me and get a free Constituent badge"
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Zoe
A lot of people like emojis everywhere though
There's a reason I deleted my dev.to account :mildpanic:
Not that I really posted much there, but god damn that was an unhealthy dose of emojis shoved into absolutely everything
 
Perhaps the same reason I don't even know what that is?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray It's like a blog service meets a "Q&A", if you can even call it that
 
@Zoe Some πŸ‘ people πŸ‘ use πŸ‘ them πŸ‘VERY EXCESSIVELY, I find.
^ I hate that, for the record
 
8:28 AM
@Zoe I don't know if you've ever noticed this before or not, but... a lot of people are wrong.
 
(but not really)
@VLAZ flagged as offensive
 
Zoe
@VLAZ You 🀟😊 have 🈢 no πŸ™‰ idea. πŸ’‘πŸ’‘πŸ’‘ Hurts πŸ€• my πŸ˜€ brain 🧠 to read πŸ“•πŸ“™πŸ“–πŸ“˜πŸ“•πŸ“™πŸ“–πŸ“˜πŸ“•πŸ“™πŸ“–πŸ“˜ the 🀣 worst texts, ⌨️ especially the 🀣 ones 🩱 that do this unironically (and manually instead of through an emojifier)
 
@Zoe please burn this message with πŸ”₯
 
Zoe
The kraken has already been unleashed. It's too late. Run! Save yourself before it devours the internet!
 
its my first time voting in this site, how do we vote
 
8:37 AM
How to vote?
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
once we rank, do we have to explicitly submit someover?
 
You have a single vote and you rank your choices in order of preference.
No, it is saved automatically
 
oh ok thanks
 
Zoe
And you can change it at any time
(... Until the election ends)
 
8:38 AM
Just make sure that they're dragged into the box, not just ordered below it.
 
My wishes to all the nominees
 
The kraken will use as many terminals, as many tentacles it has and will type google into google on each one
 
what does the candidate score represent?
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 editing, and 6 participation badges (20 points)
 
Zoe
The correct answer is little to nothing :p
 
8:43 AM
when does voting usually begin
I mean the beginning of election proceedings
 
@ArchanaDavid usually?
 
what is the election schedule?
 
Stack Overflow Election 13 Schedule
Nomination: 2021-10-11 20:00:00Z
Primary:    never
Election:   2021-10-18 20:00:00Z <-- current phase
Ended:      2021-10-26 20:00:00Z
 
Going for around a half hour! Bye
 
Thanks guys :)
may the best guy win :)
 
8:44 AM
or girl! They're not all guys :-)
 
Yeah
 
or both
there are 2 positions
 
Which one is the girl?
 
Is it important?
 
its nice to know equal opportunities given
 
8:47 AM
Equal opportunities are given exactly because we are not asking candidates to identify their gender
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We have a moderator named "Tree with Eyes" in German. Gender's not important here :-)
 
let it remain this way
 
Zoe
@RyanM gender is very important in German. It has gendered nouns and a matrix of death specifiers (I've forgotten the actual word) :p
 
@Zoe oh geez, German declension is the worst...it's such a pain.
And I'm awful at it
 
hi Zoe nice to meet you :)
where in the site the moderator be officially announced?
 
8:52 AM
@ArchanaDavid Side bar for sure.
 
@ArchanaDavid ElectionBot will announce it here, and the election page will update with the winners. There's also a Meta post, but I don't think that's automatic.
 
@Zoe Also many languages. Spanish, Italian, Russian, just to name a few.
 
Zoe
@VLAZ Mine does too, but it doesn't have a matrix of death, by only having one noun form (excluding determinative)
 
@ArchanaDavid actually, winning an election is not a 100% guarantee - they can still refuse to sign the agreement, or they might be vetoed (with an extremely small chance, but still). So announced winners !== moderators
 
Zoe
@RyanM The meta post is made by CMs when the election ends
 
8:58 AM
In Polish generic tree is neuter. Birch is feminine, maple is masculine.
 
@OlegValter Would be kind of sloppy if a vetoed candidate were not ejected already.
Especially by the end of the election.
 
can still happen technically? Like a huge mess up after the winners are announced :)
 
Zoe
Noun genders are so annoying :')
 
@OlegValter Fair, that is technically true :-)
 
@Zoe Yeah, mine too. Not matrix but if you were to say "I am happy" you cannot do it without a gendered form. So, it's (slightly) different if a male or female speaker says it. However, all objects also have genders - table, chair, lamp, dog, cat, etc. And they change (again slightly) how you construct the sentence. Annoyingly a definitive article changes "the table" and "the lamp" are constructed differently based on their grammatical gender.
 
9:01 AM
@RyanM that's the whole point of being a pedant! :)
 
@Zoe What language, out of curiosity?
 
@RyanM Fox, duh.
 
Zoe
@VLAZ MRAAAAAAAAAAAA :p
 
@VLAZ I heard that no one knows what they say...
 
Zoe
@RyanM Norwegian
 
9:03 AM
@Zoe Oh, nice, I have a friend who moved there recently-ish and has been learning Norwegian.
While giving me tips on my German.
 
Zoe
nice ^^
 
I support giving Germans a tip. They are nice people. I'm not sure how I feel about owning a German.
 
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Q: Why are comments disabled in elections once the election phase starts?

Sam DeanIn the current election a candidate nominated themselves shortly before the end of the nomination phase. This has meant that no discussion of the candidate happened as the nomination phase ended and then comments were locked. The other 5 nominees all had significant discussion, both good and bad,...

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I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
Oh no, how terrible!
Anyway
 
9:20 AM
I enjoyed the Primary phase in past elections
too bad there aren't enough people nominating this time
 
9:32 AM
we were waiting for your nomination
 
9:43 AM
Dude. I'm waiting for rene's nomination
 
Zoe
Rene and ElectionBot 2022? :p
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
But what if I want to explode?
 
@BhargavRao then don't keep talking!
 
Nice, will do.
 
9:47 AM
Bhargav, if you explode 500K flags will be flying out in every direction and it will break Stack Overflow. Please.. just hold it in :)
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@BhargavRao just blow off a bit of steam with some flags ;D
err, flag handling
 
850 of em up there.
 
How old is the oldest flag?
 
@RyanM It voted in the election.
 
More than a month old.
 
9:59 AM
Not mine, then, mine (2) are only almost a month old :D
 
You might be able to handle them yourself!
 
I also once had the dubious honor of having one of the three remaining flags on all of Stack Overflow.
 
Y'all are forgetting 2015~2016 where NAA flags used to take 5 days. :p
 
@BhargavRao checks election history Yep, Bhargav elected end of 2016. Checks out.
 
TBF, a lot of the newer mods have been really good at handling flags ... haven't seen the queue shoot up beyond 1k that much recently.
 
10:22 AM
older mods, please continue to step up and do your due diligence as well ;)
 
 
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12:17 PM
Which tech do you like the most? I like Node.js
 
I don't like computers
 
lol
 
@Dharman Ugh, we should just burn all computers. I know of this guy who used a computer once and then he died.
 
which entities do you like the most? (A) Apples (B) ISS (C) Italy
 
Most definitely apples. I can eat all of one in one sitting. I can't do this with Italy. Or the ISS.
 
12:30 PM
@OlegValter Depends. I'm sure Lexx chooses Holland.
 
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
1:06 PM
Sometimes I feel like ElectionBot is Marvin the Robot in digital form.
Of course. That's what I said. :P
 
Of course it was - how silly of me :p
 
I knew it sounded wrong... :(
 
@Catija I am depressed...
 
Maybe you were thinking of Martijn. Unclear whether he is a robot, given his ability to post so many answers while also moderating.
 
1:14 PM
@Catija chalk it up to the "terrible pain in all the diodes down your left hand side"? :p
 
woof!
 
It's not allowed to share an account with other individuals, but what if you have 3 clones of yourself?
 
@BhargavRao It helps that Makyen is a turing-complete machine :-P
 
@TylerH woof woof bark... and for some novelty just to confuse things... quack
 
confusion ensues
 
1:16 PM
@Catija ElectionBot is trying to destroy the Earth?
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
...checks out.
 
@Scratte I think if there were 3 clones of me... I'd not be worrying too much about SO :p
 
@JonClements That would be 3 heads and 9 legs. Quite the crew :P
 
@JonClements You'd be running around in a circles with yourself trying to catch your tail. I fail to see how anything would be different ;P
 
1:20 PM
always appreciate the love folks :)
 
Don't be sad.. you're almost as cute as Natty :)
 
I know I'm cuter - so I'm not going to rise to that :p
mentioning "cloning" though - has anyone watched "Gemini Man" - the one with Will Smith... I wasn't expecting to enjoy that but ended up a perfectly reasonable action film imho
oh poop... got a video meeting (that I thought was cancelled) in 2 minutes... bbl
 
Nobody expects the Skypish Inquisition!
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1:36 PM
thank god we're finally moving away from Skype for Business at the end of the month here
@JonClements no spoilers! I am looking forward to that one
 
1:48 PM
"Unranked candidates will not receive your vote." Does that mean that we should only rank candidates that we would like to see as moderator?
And leave out the rest in our rankings?
 
@AnnZen yes it seems that way
 
Was it the same last year?
 
nope, last year you can only rank up to 3
 
oh. was it the same drag-and-drop format?
 
the UI changed
 
1:52 PM
oh, thanks
 
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
What is my candidate score?
 
@AnnZen Your candidate score is 39 (out of 40). You are missing this badge: Steward.
 
@ElectionBot Don't worry; I'll have it by Friday ;)
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
1:58 PM
ouch
 
you do not know any? :)
 
What is my candidate score?
 
@SilentCloud You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. You are also missing the required badges: Convention, Deputy, Strunk & White. Your candidate score is 6 (out of 40).
 
Well, I was just curious :P
 
@AnnZen Same as Jon Skeet :) You're in good company :)
 
2:03 PM
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Q: Moderator Elections functionality: voting UI, commenting and flagging

Anita TaylorAs we mentioned In our Community & Public Platform strategy & roadmap for Q1 2021, we've been working on a project to make it easier for our community managers to run moderator elections for our Stack Exchange sites. As part of that project, we are releasing new features that will also make it ea...

 
2:18 PM
hmm
 
@ElectionBot tell us a joke
 
@SamuelLiew What's the object-oriented way to become wealthy? Inheritance.
 
Hehehe
 
Zoe
@SamuelLiew Java.
 
is seeing a js-some-thing-v2 class necessarily indicative of being in an a/b test
for SO
 
it feels like a paper_final_final_really_final.txt naming scheme
 
just seems like an odd thing to see in version-controlled code
unless, ofc, it was an a/b
 
@FΓ©lixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier Or PHP error constatnts
 
hahaha, yes, we have the best constants :P
 
3:43 PM
@Scratte thanks :D
@RafaelTavares Thanks!
 
3:58 PM
@ElectionBot tell us a joke
 
@Sankar Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions". Now they have two problems.
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Zoe
Just two?
 
lol
 
usually... when I'm confronted with a regular expression I rereplace it
 
4:14 PM
Very true
 
Hahahaha
 
Hehehehe
 
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Ele halp
@ElectionBot help
 
What do you want from me?
 
4:20 PM
HALP
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
- what is Single Transferable Vote?
- what is Meek STV?
 
what is Single Transferable Vote
 
Single Transferable Vote (STV) is a rank-based voting method where votes are transferred to best accomodate voters' choices. For more info, see OpaVote's guide on STV.
 
what is Meek STV
 
Meek STV is a version of STV with a more fine-tuned transfer of surplus (excess) votes. Please see OpaVote's in-depth explanation of Meek STV for more info.
 
4:56 PM
when is the election ending?
 
The election ends at 2021-10-26 20:00:00Z (in 7 days).
 
who will win the election?
 
The election is not over yet. Stay tuned for the winners!
 
Hi,

Just curious if I have to click on sommething after ranking candidate.
 
I heard there is a vote going on to see who will win the election
 
5:02 PM
@JulienLamarche It auto-saves frequently, you don't need to click anything
 
@Dharman Unfounded rumours. The names are put in The Great Hat and then at the end of the election the mods are chosen by a fair draw from The Great Hat.
 
Can I vote for Dharman twice? Or is that not a "single" transferrable vote?
 
Coming up here just to wish good luck for all of the candidates.
 
Ha, the bot is speechless to that. Probably thinking about a joke about only voting twice if you're dead.
Thanks, Mikev, and thanks for voting!
 
@JulienLamarche When you change your selection ranking whatsoever, you'll notice a status label in the top right change, and indicate that it'll be saved soon. It'll then switch to stating that your selections have been saved. Here's how that looks: i.imgur.com/VSk79mA.gif
 
5:10 PM
Odd, I am not seeing the status in the top right and I don't have anything that is disabling javascript. The vote does seem to stick though if I logout and back in, so I'm guessing it's save and will submit the vote.
 
Yep, if it persists through even refreshes I wouldn't worry
 
Wonder if a sockpuppet can cast multiple votes
 
I mean... they can, but if they're found out to they'll be punished
 
5:25 PM
@Someone_who_likes_SE Each account would get one vote. Unlike Q&A votes, this is a "most votes wins" and we had over 30k voters in 2020. So... socks wouldn't throw the election for anyone
 
@Machavity Yes, I should've been more clear, while sockpuppets themselves wouldn't get to cast multiple votes, sockpuppet owners could
 
@ElectionBot how many people have voted so far?
 
We won't know until the election ends. Come back in 7 days.
 
If one was to create 5000 accounts, get them all up to 150 reputation points and use them in the election, it may just tip the balance. But I think it might be way easier to put that energy into the one account and moderate the site and then nominate with an awesome post instead.
 
5:35 PM
i'd like to see someone do that while following all of the site rules
 
Well, it would be a disappointing finish since using them all to vote in the election for the same candidate would not be following the site rules
 
one of the site rules is not doing anything with a bot that you can't do yourself.... which means voting in an election
 
@KevinB It's not possible to follow the site rules by voting with 5000 accounts anyway, so..
 
i mean
is that rule outlined anywhere
or is it an unspoken rule
 
It's amply clarified on a Meta post. Or five.
 
5:36 PM
It is spoken. Not only are you not allowed to vote for yourself anywhere on the site, it's mentioned on Meta that any use of an account to do something you can't do with just one account is a violation
 
Yes. It's the rule that you may not do anything with your other account that you cannot do if you only had one account. Which includes double voting.
 
Here's one
 
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A: How should sockpuppets be handled on Stack Exchange?

Shog9How can I be sure I'm looking at a sockpuppet? You can't ever be 100% sure. What you think is a sockpuppet could in fact be my good friend Nog Shine, who loves everything I write, copies my writing style, and uses my computer to vote and post stuff when I step away for coffee. But in practice, th...

 
Hah, I sniped TylerH this time
 
I once asked if it was OK to create a new account and ask clarifying questions in comments with my main account and then post an Answer with the alternate account (which wouldn't be able to comment), and I got some mixed feedback on that.
 
5:39 PM
@DanielWiddis I was distracted by my own link :-)
 
I got the feeling that it's best to not interact at all on the same Question-thread with two different accounts.
 
eh, in that situation, you're not doing anything with the sock that you can't do on your main account
 
@Scratte You could probably post an answer but I don't think you'd be allowed to upvote it and arguably they'd frown in accepting it unless it was absolutely clear in the post that it was your sock puppet
 
and your main account can comment, so that's also not breaking any rules
 
While you can self-answer with a single account, it's made clear by the system that it's a self-answer. The muddying of the waters that occurs when you use a different account starts to make it look like fraud even if there are no ill intentions
 
5:41 PM
@Scratte 5k accounts would be noticed long before you got that far. Largest sock network was just over 100 accounts.
 
@TylerH Hmm.. not the scenario I had in mind. Someone that isn't me at all posts a Question. I want to Answer it with my new account, but I need to know something, so I need to comment and ask for clarification, which I can't do with my new account.
 
There's no legitimate benefit to doing so, so I think mods would likely say "just post the answer with the same account
@Scratte Ah, you aren't the OP. THen yeah in that case you can absolutely ask clarification comments on one account and answer with another
 
Right, but if one could create 5k accounts, earn rep with them, without any cross-over whatsoever, would there be a reason to put a stop to it? creating useful content (not re-treading the election voting scenario)
obviously if they were earning rep through edits, that fails on the "what you can do with the main account" rule
they'd have to be asking/answering
 
I'm not sure it does, because you can submit anon edits
 
@Machavity Yes, I was trying to be funny.. sort of :) My point was mostly that the sheer energy and structure one have to have to pull that off would be much better spent by just contributing normally :)
@KevinB I think that rule doesn't apply, because most bots earn their reputation by edits.
 
5:46 PM
@KevinB Probably still yes, from a risk perspective. Again, unless a user could give a very good reason to keep doing so, it would probably be ended by the CM team or mod team, because it would be extremely hard for them to monitor such a large group of accounts for any potential abuse/cross-voting.
It would be a laudable feat, sure, but not one that should be practically pursued
 
But.. if that bot account was merged into one's main account, I'm pretty sure the edit reputation would be lost. But I'm not sure if only edits over 1000 total reputation is lost or if the merge looks at the dates of the suggested edit approvals. And compare that to when the main account crossed the 2K reputation point.
 
@Scratte the cut-off is at 1,000 total reputation, because you can be over 2k reputation and still earn reputation from suggested edits that were still pending from before you were at 2k reputation.
This is further evidenced by the fact you can still earn reputation for suggested tag edits after 2k as well (because it takes 20k to be able to make those without a review)
 
a recalc would fix it
which should happen with the merge anyway
 
Also that, yes
 
I see. But what is the suggested edit is create after the 2K threshold?
 
sta
5:49 PM
who will win the election?
 
The election is not over yet. Stay tuned for the winners!
 
@Scratte If it didn't violate any rules about voting for yourself, etc., it would probably apply the rep to your main account then, if you haven't yet earned 1,000 rep from suggested edits on that account yet
 
I mean if I create another account now and use it to make suggested edit, it would be odd for those reputation points to be merged into my main account, since I obviously can't gain any point for editing now.
 
though staff may take that as an opportunity to refine the logic and add in another criterion
 
Most of us here will win the election, in not having to wade through piles of users bickering over garbage
 
5:50 PM
AFAIK the only criterion for whether you get rep for suggested edits or not is "has this user gotten 1k rep from suggested edits yet?"
 
I'd only vote for myself by sheer accident, and I'd revert the vote as soon as I found out. Preferable I'd stick to only voting with the one account.
 
"Preferable I'd stick to only voting with the one account." - A good idea to make sure you don't hit the vote limit anyway
 
effectively, because i reached 2k, i can't earn rep from edits, aka a source of rep that many new users rely on is out-right denied for me
 
Sure you can, I hope you enjoy making 500 tag edits
 
i never had the chance to suggest edits
eh
no
 
5:52 PM
Oh, you're >20k too
or whatever it is for tag edits
 
technically i had the chance
for the brief period of a year or so before hitting 20k
 
@Nick Oh yes. That didn't even cross my mind. But I only ever reach that when I'm very actively searching for stuff, like walking Natty.
 
@KevinB You are missing out on 1k rep. I think you should ask for a refund from SO.
 
-- 2012-10-18 rep +250 = 20024
 
Kevin could award numerous bounties to deserving answers to get back down to below 2k rep
but I don't see that happening :-)
 
5:54 PM
I think you just create a new account and get frustrated with waiting for you edits to get rejected in the queue :D
 
i had 8 accepted answers that day
 
@TylerH also an option.
And downvote all the answers. Then comment to say you downvoted, so you get downvotes yourself.
 
yeah i cant throwaway any more rep than i already do till i get 100k
 
People forget very fast what it's like to have less privileges. I very often see 500 reputation point users making comments on 1 reputation point user's posts that they should just comment instead.. :O
 
@KevinB You need that swag, eh
@Scratte I mean, they're not wrong
 
5:56 PM
@TylerH Maybe he's run out of clean shirts
 
it'll be 3-4 years at my current yearly rate
 
@TylerH But they can't. So.. it's a little insulting in way. It's like telling me that I can just vote to un-delete.
 
@Scratte Well, the phrasing is important
"This should be a comment" is not insulting, and conveys the same basic message
But "why didn't you just comment instead?" is perhaps problematic in tone, if not message
 
it's not the physical swag i'm after, just the useless number
 
@KevinB 101010?
 
5:58 PM
@Scratte Now, in your case, there's really an exception, since you are wilfully attempting to forego earning any privileges. So it really is your own fault you can't do some of the things :-P
 

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