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6:00 PM
@TylerH I just don't post Answers a lot.. it's such a hazzle. I stopped downvoting myself under a threshold. That got exhausting.
And.. I like regex, so.. it's like gambling when posting.
 
i only answer when i find something I'm interested in that also is both new and not simply a combination of several other existing questions
which... is rare among the tags i frequent
 
Ahh.. but I'm not going for swag, or 42 in binary.. you are, no? :)
 
no, just 100k
 
FWIW I just got my mod swag a couple of weeks ago. But Makyen (won the same election) hasn't even gotten the email. It's... a work in progress
 
Yikes
 
6:10 PM
Still, that backlog is large and I credit them for chewing through it
 
So.. if one wants to get it before retirement, one really needs to hurry up to get in line? :P
 
or just make your own swag
 
rent a swag
 
a quick search of amazon only has one swag result
 
@Machavity I mean the email part should be 5 minutes of work
 
6:14 PM
oh, there's more
 
"find all users who hit 100k and haven't received a swag email yet" "send bulk email"
@KevinB I'm pretty close to doing that
 
none of the knock-off stuff on amazon looks worth considering, at all
compared to what i got a while back when i asked
 
@TylerH that sounds like my PM
it's a small feature, just knock it off by the end of the day
 
send an email to 1000 users really is a small task though, when it's the same email requesting they respond with some piece of information
 
yeah but then someone has to parse the results, determine what's accurate and what's not, get PO's, approvem, make orders, pay for them, deal with sharing user addresses with a 3rd party for shipping, communicate with the user all along the process,
deal with lost shipments,
it's like a whole afternoon's worth of work
 
6:22 PM
 
@Dharman How big is the mug? Standard 250-300ml or a 500ml one?
 
@Dharman A wrist? Cool! I've got two of those myself
 
that mug won't hold enough coffee
 
@KevinB I agree that part is more work. But I was only talking about the email part
 
@VLAZ It's a small one.
 
6:24 PM
@Machavity Hey, no need to rub in your fortune in our faces.
 
I bought one myself. Now all I need is to become a mod to complement it.
 
maybe i can put... not coffee in it
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@BhargavRao LOL! Can we timeshare the mug please? :)
@Dharman Where did you buy it?
 
You can buy loads of stuff there
 
6:33 PM
@JulienLamarche Make sure that you are moving the candidates up into the dotted grey box. You can also rearrange them in their default position, but that won't actually create a ballot.
 
Is it Stack that sells them? Or did you buy one that illegally uses the trademarkeded logo?
 
They make cups in Nicaragua and print whatever on it and send it to your home
 
@Dharman Do tell
 
@Machavity So, will you be wearing the mod hat underneath or over the hard-hat?
@Dharman Your keyboard. It glows.
 
it's radioactive
 
6:36 PM
Dharman will be the hottest moderator on SE if elected. Just not that way...
 
I see. I find radioactive keyboards irritating.
 
@Machavity I thought it would be @Zoe that's the hottest! Dharman does not have a profile picture with a unicorn in it!
 
Are unicorns known for being hot?
 
Wait is that a unicorn in the profile pic? It's hard to tell.
 
@user1271772 That's true. Zoe does have laser-beam eyes...
 
6:39 PM
Zoe's? It's a fox.
 
I thought Zoe's username used to be like "ZoeTheUnicornSomething", so I assumed it was a unicorn
 
Hand-drawn, I believe, by her.
And then digitally rainbow-ized. :-)
 
@CodyGray Oh, she wouldn't like you saying that :p
 
@Nick Err... what?
 
Yea I thought so once I looked at the profile picture again
 
6:40 PM
It's a wolf, she's a fox, but now you're saying she can't draw
:p
 
Huh.
 
But it used to be a unicorn? I remember Zoe from the VIM election and I thought it was a unicorn at the time.
 
I did not know that.
 
Zoe
@Nick Wouldn't be wrong :p
@user1271772 Nope. Last time I had a unicorn was a couple years ago on meta.SE
 
@Zoe Good luck by the way!
 
6:41 PM
Yeah, it doesn't look like a wolf.
It has a fox's tail...
 
yup
 
🚽
 
big fluffy tail with a different coloured end
 
@Dharman It's that a bit of a long way to send a mug though?
 
@Zoe I think I saw it on Meta.SE because we talked on "The Tavern on Meta".
 
Zoe
6:41 PM
@user1271772 Thanks ^^
 
My username is not super memorable.
 
wdym user7712712?
 
@Nick exactly!
 
Zoe
@Nick So? xd
 
That's a fox tail :p
 
Zoe
6:42 PM
No!
 
@user1271772 I assume the numbers have some meaning to you?
Otherwise you would change it...
 
Zoe
yeah, to like, user3576412 or something /s
 
@CodyGray I think you're mistaken. If they kept 12717712, but has another userid, then they'd be important :D
Hmm.. pointy tails makes me think it's a colourful gray fox.
 
I had a userN name for nearly a year recently
 
6:48 PM
@CodyGray I mean... Zoe's like 5'10, that would definitely be grey wolf territory
 
Zoe
What's 5'10 in normal units?
 
178cm
 
Zoe
yeah, no, that's 2cm too low :p
 
fine, 5'11
 
9.6 x 10^-4 nautical miles
 
6:50 PM
..that's half a centimeter too high? :)
 
I really don't know what barbaric units you use. Just measure everything in unicorns.
 
I think Zoe is taller than me!
 
@CodyGray Grow up.
:P
 
Zoe
@CodyGray By how much? asking for a friend :p
 
@Zoe Half a unicorn hoof, at least.
 
6:51 PM
@Zoe isn't 5'10'' the normal way of saying it? Or are you in Europe?
 
@user1271772 I think metric is the normal way for most of the world :)
 
@user1271772 Hey, I'm in Europe and I use ft and inches
 
Zoe
I'm literally anywhere but in four countries :P
but yeah, Europe
 
@Zoe Around 0.1 cubits?
 
And you know mixed is worse :p
 
6:53 PM
@Zoe Woooo! Go US, Liberia, and Myanmar!
 
Zoe
Excuse me?
 
He said "Go us"
 
You're excused. We forgive you for adopting sensible measurement systems.
 
wooo britain!
 
But are Liberian feet the same as US feet?
 
6:54 PM
So.. the red ones are the modern world, right?
 
@Scratte They're the baby world, the really young ones that don't know how to run themselves
 
I know US pints are different from British pints.
 
@Zoe Aha! I have tracked you down! You're in the blue part.
 
@Zoe Which part, specifically, do you disagree with? Would you prefer that a skein be a full 100 ells?
 
6:55 PM
I prefer my skin not full of hundreds of eels
 
@AdrianMole Sacrilege! Larger or smaller?
 
Zoe
@VLAZ Oh no, you've found me! Pls no stalk tanks in advancing :p
 
@Nick Hmm. Literacy fail.
 
Nah, just a really bad joke
 
US: A pint is a pound the world around. UK: A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter.
 
6:56 PM
@Zoe @Dharman and Rauch got my votes. The others I couldn't vouch for based on what I've seen.
 
Zoe
Y'know, the imperial system is defined relative to the metric system
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE Why could you not vote for the others? What concerns do you have?
 
@Zoe It is nowadays
 
it is possible to endorse some candidates without belittling the others
;)
 
Mainly the rep score wasn't high enough IMHO
 
6:57 PM
@AdrianMole No!, a pint weighs 568g
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE Do you think rep score has much to do with being a good moderator? If so, why?
 
Not a pint of mercury.
 
I do, it shows they use SO
And are actively engaged.
 
@AdrianMole I mean... a pint of mercury wouldn't weigh a lb and a quarter either? :p
 
It's just my opinion, i could be mistaken
 
Zoe
6:58 PM
So the kilogram is still the defining unit of weight, but getting it in a quarter of a rope will require cabling the gunter's chain as a furlong spindle foots itself along the shaftment at a pace the link can't line up with
My head now hurts
 
there are users who participate actively in ways that don't earn rep
 
What would a pint of mercury weigh on Mercury?
 
(most curation-related tasks don't earn rep)
 
Mercurious
 
@AdrianMole One mercurial unicorn.
 
6:58 PM
Merci
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE There are plenty of ways to be engaged with active usage of SO that don't gain you reputation. For example, completing moderation tasks. You can look at someone's reviews and flags. None of those gain any rep, but definitely require a lot of time and dedication to the site.
 
38,39,40/40 candidates.
 
(I'm not trying to get you to change your mind. Just curious what voters look at.)
 
Avatars.
 
@cod
@Cody you're prob right, there are other things that could be considered.
 
7:00 PM
normally i look at voting and comments... but didn't feel the need to with this election
 
@AdrianMole Thankfully, we have a nice colourful selection this year.
 
hello I what kind of voting
 
@KevinB The more comments the better?
 
more, the content of the comments
why they were made
 
I also look at how many people their posts reach. ~1-3 million+
 
7:01 PM
Snark quotient?
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE Usually when users start moderating, they don't have time to boost their reputation points. There's so much to moderate.
 
yea
 
Moderators Comments are second-class citizens.
 
Do exist interim results?
 
@Scratte I've posted at least 5 or 6 answers since becoming a moderator. :-)
 
7:02 PM
no
 
@CodyGray Preferably at least 0.4 per comment.
 
As long as you count main site and Meta differently
 
only main
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE That's a very very odd metric.. you can easily boost that with a few millions.
 
That's true @Scratte. It's hard for people to trend up these days in rep. Especially starting out
 
7:04 PM
Yeah, that... "people reached" metric is ludicrously bad.
3
 
I'm curious how much reach and rep factor into the /40 metric
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE I spent months to figure out how the site works, and I'm active on meta. I reviewed and I flagged and I'm always online. But.. my reputation score is low. Does that mean I'm not engaged? :) Or that I'm bad at reviewing? :)
 
"Reached" doesn't factor in at all. Rep represents half (20/40) of the candidate score metric.
 
one answer that i spent almost no time on, gave me a million reach
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE Rep is 1 point for every 1000 rep up to 20. So it's up to half. Reached is not part of it.
 
7:05 PM
@CodyGray Yes. My point exactly :)
 
How is the score calculated?
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
- what is Single Transferable Vote?
- what is Meek STV?
 
How is candidate score calculated?
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 editing, and 6 participation badges (20 points)
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE I have a ridiculously high "people reached" though..
 
7:06 PM
36 score, 7.6mil reach
 
@Scratte You've reached around 1000 people for each rep point you have. /totally-legit-maths
 
the 3 of the 4 i'm missing would not increase my reach by going after
the 4th would
 
@ApolloSOFTWARE Thanks, I appreciate it.
 
@VLAZ Yes, I got 2.4 million over night. Totally reasonable :D
 
i'm closer to 1:81, if my math is right
?
1:82
Woo, the profile was fixed
 
7:10 PM
"Fixed"?
 
oh, wait, not completely
it still shows the drop down for some users...
 
@KevinB Maybe members of teams?
 
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
nah, what happened was for whatever reason scratte doesn't have a network profile option
for users without one, it shows a single link to mso without a dropdown
 
Oh wow. OK, I was missing it, because the mod view is different.
And that weird little button breaks the responsive design.
 
7:20 PM
if you're in a team with the user, you won't get the single link, since the team link would be there (i think? never been in that situation)
i still get stuck for a moment when trying to go from a users meta profile to SO, looking for the link that isn't there
 
@KevinB It's super annoying. I find being such a small thing makes the irritation even bigger.
 
Yeah
Having to click that drop-down is very irritating.
I didn't used to have to go through that extra step.
 
i'd happily use a userscript that turns it back into the plain link it was
the prettier button though is nice
 
@KevinB Paging @Scratte
 
I made a user script that turns Cody into this.. I also removed that big ugly square button. But I don't think I've pushed that version yet.
 
7:27 PM
But you didn't fix the "profiles" button.
 
eh, if that's the one i used before, it had an issue with profiles like mine
with no "about me"
goes back to the large block of whitespace setup
 
@KevinB Yes, I've hidden the other profiles. You'll also see that on new user accounts.
 
Why are you hiding information?
 
i don't see a way to hide my network profile
i have the rest hidden
 
I believe you can hide your network profile by hiding the current site. In this case, hide SO.
(You cannot hide anything from moderators, of course.)
 
7:30 PM
@KevinB Yes. You look like this. But I want stuff to be in the same place for ever profile. And I want a vertical list on the right side. Not a horizontal one where I need to scan for what I'm looking for.
@CodyGray No. The reason I didn't fix the button is that I imagine some profiles will have more links. Or if someone is a member of 27 teams and finds another one.. then expanding those links would be quite messy.
 
I'm good with Teams being under the dropdown, but Meta shouldn't be.
I ping back and forth from Meta profiles to main profiles like 800,000 times a day.
 
what if it is, but it's also a standalone link.
 
Meh
Would be workable as a hack, but shouldn't be part of the design.
 
I'm with Cody. That wasn't a good UX change
 
@KevinB You have to hide your Meta Stack Exchange one too, if you want the network link to go away.
 
7:34 PM
I'd also like g+m to keep me on the user profile
rather than taking me to the home page
 
What the heck is g+m?
 
@Machavity Yeah, the MSE post also wasn't very well received.
 
it's a keybind to toggle between main site and meta
 
Ah, was not aware there was a keyboard shortcut for that. The keyboard shortcuts aren't terribly discoverable. Did it break now?
 
nah, they all work, i suspect it's running on old code that hasnt' been touched in a long time
 
7:36 PM
Yup, blame balpha
 
also doesn't have a shortcut to reviews
it's the only shortcut it seems to be missing, in terms of pages i may want to get to without the navbar
 
@KevinB Only g -> m to swap but it lands you on the main page. You cannot swap between main/meta of a profile, unfortunately.
 
right
my request was for that to be fixed, ;)
 
Ah, I see
That's not terribly useful, then. Might as well just do Ctrl+L, type "m", and press Enter. At least, that works on my machine. :-)
 
7:38 PM
@CodyGray Can reproduce. (I was wondering what I'd get for "m")
 
i try to avoid relying on my browser's auto complete, that's gotten me into... well, not trouble, but would have been trouble had my actions been monitored
;)
 
You're supposed to use a "private" browser window for the extracurricular browsing...
 
eh, gaming related, not that much trouble
 
@Zoe Cheeky!.. :)
 
7:40 PM
I think she doesn't understand markdown formatting for links
 
@KevinB Yeah, at some point on my work computer if you pressed "p" it would autocomplete to the Path of Exile wiki. Not that much trouble but still.
 
it's just not a conversation you want to have to deal with
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Forgot the protocol was dropped, but I got one, so I'll take the win :p
 
Who's the one? :) I always check where the link actually goes to.
 
i wonder how that code was written... if it could be hooked into
 
Zoe
7:42 PM
awwwww
 
sowwy.. :)
Too many reviews, I suppose. It's second nature to match the text with the link now.
 
@KevinB I tried to look into it once in order to add more shortcuts. I gave up after 5 minutes or so - it didn't seem easily possible. I've not actually re-checked, I might have missed something.
Still possible. I just hoped it'd be just a couple lines of code. I got bored when it seemed it wouldn't be.
 
it doesn't look like the method is directly accessible
so it'd be a replace
 
Why would it not be accessible?
 
Yep, sounds consistent with what I saw.
 
7:46 PM
it's defined within another function, and not stored anywhere outside of that
aka no monkeypatching or adding methods to it
 
@CodyGray It's not exposed. It's enclosed in a scope that's not visible. You can hack around it but I'd rather not.
 
hmm
i see a way
it's not... pretty, but it'd do the job quite effectively
it pulls the url it will redirect to from StackExchange.options.site.parentURL and .childURL
 
Huh, you mean JavaScript actually can enforce accessibility?
 
so you can add a handler that detects the first keybind, g, and modifies those urls based on what page you're on, and on a delay change it back
 
@KevinB You can place a breakpoint in scope and make it conditional. Then as the condition write JS code that just adds the options you want and then return false at the end. So, any time you pass through the code, you inject custom JS which has access to anything in the scope. The downside is it requires devtools open.
 
7:52 PM
right, but this method wouldn't require that
 
@CodyGray Yes - inner scopes are not exposed. Again, you could hack around that. You could inject some code that exposes the inner data. It's just brittle and annoying to deal with. At least if you're trying to make a userscript.
 
StackExchange.options.site.childUrl is directly accessible
and used within the method to determine which url to direct to
 
"Brittle" is hardly a disqualifying factor for a userscript, but I take your point.
To me, it seems more elegant to hack around the accessibility/scoping than it does to add all these delays Kevin's solution would require.
 
JS is in the process of adding private fields, too. And they are excessively private - you cannot reach them at all outside of the object. There isn't anything like reflection to pull them out, either.
 
the delay might not even be necessary
the delay would just be to return things to normal, in the event that property is used for anything else and you decide not to actually go anywhere
 
7:55 PM
@VLAZ So.. it's like Java with modules? :D
 
Zoe
No, because you can opens module.a to other.module and have reflection work
 
@Scratte I don't know modules in Java. I know they exist but I've not kept up with Java since a bit before they were introduced.
 
this of course doesn't fix your intent of adding more keybinds
it just fixes my issue
 
Zoe
@VLAZ Good! Don't
 
Hmm? What's wrong with modules in Java?
 
7:56 PM
@Zoe Sure, but then you're in control before it starts to execute.
 
the fact that it's java
 
@CodyGray Nothing. I quite like them. People seem to have issues when upgrading though.
 
@CodyGray I sense Zoe has strong opinion on them.
 
Zoe
"upgrading"
 
Are there features we can add to Java that will fix the fact that it's Java?
Maybe a C++ compiler.
 
7:58 PM
Sell it to Microsoft?
 
@CodyGray They don't play nicely with libraries that support pre-modular versions and modular versions.
 
That... is unlikely to fix anything.
Microsoft tried taking over Java once already.
 
@CodyGray So, you're suggesting replacing all .java files to .cpp and then fixing the compilation errors?
 
Eeek. No.
 
Yeah - we had C#, F# and J#. Will we be seeing R# soon?
 
7:59 PM
Too many people write C++ like it's Java already.
 
@AdrianMole Don't forget Q#!
 

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