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Or P#H#P#?
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@AdrianMole P# for Python, obviously
@AdrianMole Thanks, I hate it.
 
Zoe
The first language I learned was Java. I then spent far too much time on Android (didn't help with my view of the language, or Android really), and eventually bailed out to a better language. I'm now back on Java because uni and have had the misfortune of dealing with modules, which sound good until you realize how obnoxious it is to actually import stuff that hasn't been upgraded yet, and finding the right modules to import in the useless module-specific import file that's separate on top of Java's imports is an exercise in dumpster diving
 
C# should really be named D♭
 
Zoe
Admittedly haven't tried C++ modules, but it seems like it better supports backwards-compatibility
 
8:01 PM
@Zoe This sounds like the normal problems of back-compat.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray It's not even that. it's just a bad implementation
 
@Zoe Out of curiosity, what was the better language?
 
And a bad implementation of the University class, too, it seems. :-) The perils of JavaSchools
@VLAZ Kotlin.
 
@CodyGray I hear a lot of praises for it.
 
@Zoe Not a fan of automatic modules then? :)
 
Zoe
8:03 PM
@CodyGray you have no clue :')
 
cfml is clearly the superior language
 
Zoe
@Scratte They still have to be manually imported in a separate file before using it
 
No idea what that is, but I still have nightmares about "XML", so the name is not promising.
 
Zoe
And Java's compiler is completely useless in indicating which module import is missing
 
@CodyGray ColdFusion
 
Zoe
8:06 PM
Also had a one-off reflection issue that was solved by opening a package to a different package than the runtime error complained about
 
But, of course, compiler error messages in C++ are never confusing or misleading.
 
Reflection does not seem like the correct way to implement modules
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole Confusing? happens. Misleading though?
 
Try omitting a semicolon somewhere :-)
 
Or typing =+ instead of +=.
 
Zoe
8:09 PM
I've yet to see an error message in C++ that says "reflection failed because module a isn't open to module b.packageA", when the actual problem is that module a isn't open to module b.packageB
 
No, no messages about reflection failing.
 
You need to try Turbo-C++. ;)
 
Zoe
@CodyGray It's needed for a nasty hack to run tests
 
Ah, I see. That's the kind of hack needed when the language doesn't have first-class support for the feature.
 
Hey @Zoe, I'm curious what your profile image is from? It looks like it might be a character from an indie PlayStation game I saw once, but I can't remember the game name.
 
8:14 PM
at least i get self-documenting methods
 
Apparently, it's a wolf.
 
wolfox
 
Oh okay, once you said that I see the tail. I was thinking that was the hair haha
 
i mean
 
Zoe
@VLAZ the canonical name is folf, for the record.
but no
 
8:16 PM
It was drawn by a cat, IIRC.
 
I found the game... "Goodbye Volcano High"
 
@CodyGray Modules are partly meant to prevent "accidental reflection" :)
 
Zoe
@KyleWilliamson it's not from anything
 
@Zoe Oof, no. Wolfox is so much better.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray When you make a hybrid species, you can decide its name :p
 
8:17 PM
Cancel the current elections. We should vote on the name instead.
 
Zoe
Folf is cannon
 
Sure, unless you decide wrongly.
@Scratte Are y'all Java developers scared of your own reflection? :-)
 
Did you draw it? And yeah google says folf is a thing haha.
 
Zoe
I did, yeah
 
@CodyGray You know what they say - Java developers don't see sharp
 
8:18 PM
Do help vampires ask questions about reflection?
 
@KyleWilliamson Yeah, for frisbee golf
 
@CodyGray Not really. We're scared of other's reflections ;)
You need to understand that Cody is always right... :D
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole We'd ask them, but they were setAccessible(false), so we'll never know
 
Actually, when I started at my place, I was the only Java developer and also the only one who wore glasses. The others were glassess-less C# developers.
 
@AdrianMole lol! That reminds me of the first time we "met" :)
 
Zoe
8:20 PM
C sharp? More like C hashtag butbad
:door:
 
@VLAZ You work with rene?
 
@CodyGray Yes. Well, we are related though both using C#. All C# developers are one big family.
@Zoe C-bang
 
Apparently, C# developers see sharp without glasses 🥸
 
I used to be a C# developer, but I saw my way out of that.
 
@KyleWilliamson Yep, hence the joke that Java developers wear glasses.
 
8:24 PM
You developed C#?
 
Yeah, I saw it right after I sent my message. I wasn't paying enough attention
lolol
 
@AdrianMole I thought everybody knew that. It's named after Cody
 
I was thinking it was too perfectly set up
 
@KyleWilliamson Terminal glasses. Either I die or I'm using a text terminal.
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
8:31 PM
I think being short-sighted might be a terminal condition for a giraffe. Like, if you cannot see where you're going and fall off a cliff.
 
@VLAZ I'm gonna fall off a tree. At least that what is my Doctor says.
 
Zoe
Who is ElectionBot's sponsors anyway?
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yes, falling off trees is a serious medical condition. 9 out of 10 doctors advise against contracting it.
 
@Zoe Sponsors as in maintainers?
 
Zoe
8:33 PM
Has to be the illuminati, right?
 
@Zoe It's an international collaboration.
 
@Scratte Does not do proper references in their material!
Also this is how a proper Moderator election chat should look like!
 
🚽
 
You mean ElectionBot doesn't reference quotes properly? :)
 
error - AI not installed
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8:36 PM
@ElectionBot apt install python-2.1
 
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
@CaptainGiraffe It's good that the chat is a model for itself. We're recursive.
 
Zoe
@CaptainGiraffe can it truly be called a chat if there's not at least a small part of it that consists of shitposting? :p
 
Let's be realistic. There is a small part of serious posting.
 
The last time I checked chat is a substring of s chit-chat.
 
8:41 PM
@ElectionBot should I vote for Jefferson or Burr?
 
EB apparently stays out of US politics.
 
Even from 1800? :(
 
@VLAZ is that a metric or imperial unicorn?
 
Candidate Statement: I want to be in the room where it happens.
 
@RyanM Yes
 
8:43 PM
@DanielWiddis Doesn't matter; the House of Representatives will decide anyway.
 
I suspect Hamilton would not have lost that duel had America used Meek STV in 1800.
 
Zoe
@VLAZ Who wouldn't?
 
@Zoe Some US citizens. For some reason unknown to me.
 
@Zoe People who are fond of resolving disputes by duel.
 
Zoe
@DanielWiddis Do you mean a duel, or twitter-driven coups?
 
8:47 PM
@Zoe A coup is not honorable. A duel is. Ah, for the good old days.
 
Zoe
:p
 
A soup is also not honourable.
 
What's dishonorable about a soup?
 
We could set up a "Duelling" chat-room. The two parties make their statements and the one who gets fewer stars is kicked.
 
@CodyGray I guess it's more neither honourable nor dishonourable. I guess "ahonourable" but spellchecker tells me that word doesn't exist.
 
8:49 PM
Foxtail soup?
 
Zoe
ew
 
^ yeah - so much hair
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
oh well, I have some code I should clean up
 
@Zoe Get some broom practice!
 
Zoe
8:55 PM
Thank you for the compliment, but I think I'll have to pull out the flamethrower or a nuclear bomb on this one :p
 
I have a fire breathing dragon you can borrow if ya need.
 
Zoe
I do too, but for other stuff :p
 
@DanielWiddis Wait.. that's on timeshare too?
 
@Scratte Yes, but it's too large for a squirrel to handle. :)
(waits for Scratte to google a picture of a squirrel riding a dragon)
 
@Zoe You have a fire-breathing dragon? What do you use yours for?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Editing :p
 
@Scratte I think that's just a fire-breathing squirrel... No dragon involved.
 
@CodyGray You didn't notice the purple wings?
 
Looks photoshopped
Like the horns
 
9:14 PM
I'm new to SO elections, does anyone have an idea what the usual amount of votes cast is/was?
 
Last election was 30,000 total
 
That's a lot!
 
What the current count?
 
Something should be added to Election bot! :)
 
Zoe
No information about the votes is released 'til the election is over
 
9:16 PM
I was wondering if that was a feature :D
 
Quite high, if the Constituent Badges are anything to go by.
 
makes sense
 
Zoe
... actually, the badge can be used to estimate
 
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Q: How to improve voter turnout on moderator elections?

sameera lakshithaFirstly, I would like to wish for Makyen and Machavity. The 2020 Community Moderator Election ended yesterday. We see 750,753 voters were eligible for this moderator election this year. But 32,225 Users voted on the election. This election 4.29% percentage of eligible users voted. However, 95.71%...

 
@AdrianMole what was it before the election?
 
9:18 PM
I can't remember.
 
looks like we need an 'Event' article type
 
there's around 263 pages of badges awarded, and there's 60 per page
 
Looks like a rate of ~2/minute.
 
@anderium BUt that is for "all time" not just this week
 
Correct; you have to look at the dates of award.
 
9:19 PM
I did :)
there's 4390 pages all time
 
262.5 pages for the current election. ~16,000 votes.
 
Zoe
down to 264 now
 
I'm just too slow.
 
Just got there myself. I failed at binary search
 
I did a depth-last search.
 
9:24 PM
spoken like true programmers
 
Isn't that just a breadth-first search?
 
Not quite. There's more guesswork involved.
 
Soon we'll get a new first-aid search.
 
@CodyGray that was interesting! Surprisingly high turnup rate if we only look at recently active users
 
Yes. Not surprising. Active users are active. :-)
 
9:29 PM
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
@CodyGray But did you know that 100% of the active users are on the substance known as dihydrogenmonoxide? Help us bring an end to the to the awful addiction this substance causes by voting to ban it this election.
 
I wonder what percentage of videos on YouTube are actually something other than Ricky.
I counted 3 in that message.
Either that, or they're worse: they're actually dumb videos about dihydrogen monoxide.
 
...I almost want to click those to find out what they are. Almost.
 
snerk
 
Zoe
@CodyGray There's at least one
 
9:33 PM
I am not sure about the merits of training people to avoid clicking links from mods.
 
Zoe
I mean, I do have some standards
 
You do?
 
Zoe
yeah
 
TIL
 
Zoe
lmao
 
9:36 PM
For example, links to Rick Astley videos are included standard in all conversations.
 
Ah, that's a very clear standard.
 
Not sure why folks seem like they're never gonna give it up. Always makes me feel like I'm getting the run-around.
 
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. You know, I gotta make you understand.
 
We've known each other for so long. We both already know what's been going on.
 
Don't tell me you're too blind to see...
 
9:42 PM
Would I ever tell a lie and hurt you?
 
You know the rules.. ?
 
But do you?
 
I know the game..
 
I hate to desert you. But now it's time to say goodbye.
Sadly, I have peculiarly pernicious puppetry to prospect.
 
Oooh, I like this one. :-)
 
9:46 PM
:)
 
And not just because I like birds!
 
It's a bird-puppetry?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Too many birds? Wolves.
 
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Zoe
9:53 PM
That's what I was thinking about :p
 
Zoe
@RyanM Vote me then :p
 
@Zoe I did! Somewhere on the list. Not first, but I feel like you could have guessed that ;-)
 
> Apex predator does not equal wolf. Sometimes you need an alien, sometimes you need an orca, sometimes you need a zombie.
 
Zoe
Oh? Dunno who else you'd vote for! :p
 
9:56 PM
Dharman, I think
 
Why do we not have a zombie moderator?
 
How do you know we don't?
 
@Scratte If you vote for me, I am a zombie at some points during the day...
 
@CodyGray Maybe they're the flag declinor..
@RyanM I already voted for you :P But I'll take a bribe anyway.. :)
 
This does not sound like a bribe
 
9:59 PM
Ohh.. I guess I was just asking for one then. It's so hard to be subtle.
 
more like a feature
 
I also have another 9 hours and 30 minutes of RickRolling to get through..
 
Do the rules say you have to watch the entire thing?
 
Zoe
yep
 
^ see.. I have to do what the moderator says.
 
10:37 PM
Let's not jump the gun.
 
Zoe
I like my chances :p
 
Imagine every declined flag coming with a RickRolling link ;)
 
Zoe
1 hour ago, by Zoe
I mean, I do have some standards
 
10:55 PM
I'm tempted to start replying to moderators that way: give them a happy song if we could action an escalation, give them a sad song if we have only advice.
 
Build the sound effects into Shog9's userscript?
 
Large vote invalidation? Time to break out the jazz.
You know what, that's not a half-bad idea. It'll be my first PR: background music for CM escalations.
 
I assume your claws and beak make it challenging to write code?
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
- what is Single Transferable Vote?
- what is Meek STV?
 
10:58 PM
who are the candidates
 
Currently there are 6 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Shree, Daniel Widdis, Stephen Rauch
 
Which candidate will not rickroll me?
 
@CodyGray Stephen has not been in chat.. maybe they do not know what RickRolling is.
 
@CodyGray Surprisingly, no. Avian stenography machine.
 
Zoe
If elected, I promise to not not rickroll you
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