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10:00 PM
we are selling in the city and buying a property in the country, now my youngest has finished school
 
@Dharman exactly we should teach them about the purpose of the site, which we can do by leaving comments. I would say the best way to do this would be to require comments if a user downvotes a question by a New Contributor
 
Oooh, special-casing New Contributors. Love it!
 
Actually, that's why the community has been trying to push feature requests to improve the onboarding process for new users...
 
I think downvotes should also count as -2.5 rep for them
 
@Yvette I can imagine
@Yvette Nice
 
user3956566
10:01 PM
@BaummitAugen yeh, last year was hell on earth for all our family. Very traumatic
 
@ByteMe No, if you think that is a good idea then it should be the system who shows useful information that points them once more to the [tour] page. Don't put this burden on normal users.
 
@Yvette Sorry to hear that, glad it's better now. :)
 
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@BaummitAugen this brings back memories, didn't we run in two elections together
 
@AndrewT. Not only requests for improving moderation tools, but also requests to help new users understand the expectation of SO without the community needing to manually telling one by one...
 
@Shog9 This is tied for all time "least number of candidates" at 11; there were a few with 12 candidates, and a few more with 14. A far cry from the halycon days of 27 or 30 candidates.
(My own election was 18 candidates)
 
10:03 PM
The research does not surprise me, but thanks for letting me know about your process. Do you also have a verification part of the process that you've stated the connection between the original question to the duplicate question?

And follow up question: do you also do verification that the OP understands the connection? Sometimes without some additional knowledge the OP doesn't understand how the duplicate is connected to the original question (and sometimes the linked duplicates aren't connected to the original question due to posters not understanding the intentions of the OP (mainly due
 
@Yvette Yeah, I lost some. XD
 
@GeorgeStocker 11 is a stretch
 
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@GalGrünfeld I'll find the meta post
 
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@BaummitAugen me too. I came third in both, so I'm expecting to come third in this one too :D
 
@AndrasDeak Oh wow. You're right, there's only 7 candidates this time
 
10:04 PM
@GeorgeStocker 7 I'm pretty sure is an all-time low...
 
holy cow
Congrats, you now have slightly less than a 1 in 2 chance of being elected!
 
@GeorgeStocker one of the transient ones was, let's say, accidental
 
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@GalGrünfeld in reply to the second part of your question, aye beginner programmers often cannot connect how it's a dupe, in fact many beginners don't know how to ask a question, as they don't understand the problem. Well I was like that
 
First election EVER without some sort of primary phase, if you count all of us nominating people in blog comments as a combined nomination and primary for the first election.
 
@GeorgeStocker and 1 "announcement" was actually trolling. That leaves 9 serious candidates, two of which have retracted.
 
10:06 PM
Well, one has to ask oneself whether it still makes sense to volunteer here. Earlier this year, I was quite tempted to press that delete button.
That said, I'm still far from caught up on current affairs, so this is based on my impression from before my break.
 
@Dharman I agree with that. The system should get New contributors to read the tour and help before they're allowed to post questions. Either that or they require comments on downvoted questions made by new contributors
 
Please stop thinking of downvotes as feedback to individual users. They are feedback on the post, and they're primarily meant for readers of the post, not the author.
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I guess my question is : Does Stack Overflow (the company) realize that they can fix this and that the ball is in their court to do so?
 
If you want to give feedback to individual users, then that's fine. You can leave a comment. But that is unrelated to voting.
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@GeorgeStocker As far as I can tell, no.
 
I was like that, too, and it happens in every field - no one can use knowledge you don't have to communicate about an issue and/or request more information (while understanding what they're saying means).

About the on-boarding and new programmers, there's been improvement over the years with the tips thing and the question preview thing (I don't know what to refer to them as) that are now for new users and/or users who get a lot of negative feedback (e.g downvotes, being banned) - so I think there's an improvement in that regard, but I still don't see a solution to problems that arise from
 
10:08 PM
I'd be interested to know how many moderators gave feedback to the V2 version of the agreement that mirrored my own feedback. Basically the codification that moderators only follow public guidance; and that public guidance and agreements need to be reviewable in public before they take effect.
 
I'm someone that would appreciate if I could see how each elected handled things the worst because I value more a stable individual over anyone of extremes
Don't know if this is something that could be taken under consideration in the future
 
@Shadow A good place to get a feeling on that is to review their answers on Meta.
You can see how they approach problems, especially difficult ones, and how they justify their decisions.
(Note that I don't just mean the answers to the questionnaire. I mean going back over all their answers during their time on the site.)
 
@BaummitAugen yeah... I know it ain't an easy question.
 
@CodyGray I tried that, but the system favors listing of best and top situations, it is quite hard finding the ones where someone scoffs off a user in dire need of help or is brute because he became impatient with someone that is having a hard time understanding something because his main language is not English
Last year was easier to find this, this year seems like the algorithm disfavors listing that
 
@CodyGray i think downvote is a feedback and that is mainly noticed by the OP. how exactly downvote is meant for readers instead ?
 
10:11 PM
I'm... Very appreciative of the folks with the fortitude to step up, just sayin'...
 
@RaoHammasHussain quality control
 
@RaoHammasHussain the tooltip says "this answer is not useful"
 
Downvotes on a post mean "stay away for your own good" :P
 
@Shadow I don't know why it would have been any different last time. Nothing has changed in the tooling.
@RaoHammasHussain Highly voted answers are pushed to the top of the list; lower voted answers are pushed to the bottom. Same thing for questions: downvoted questions have less visibility because they are less interesting to future readers. Votes are a content rating system.
 
Either that or "this power user did something I disagree with and the obvious course of action for me is to downvote this random post of theirs. Preferably a question they asked 5 years ago because I'm not tough enough to sacrifice 1 rep for a revenge downvote."
 
10:12 PM
@Shog9 Yeah, I wish you'd had the fortitude to step up. :-p
 
@CodyGray If that is true then I'm gonna assume this means the elected are great people, which will make me really happy to know and vote for
 
i understand that. i meant to say if i downvote a question then i am telling everyone that this question is useless (because i think so ).. while it might not be same case with others. On the other hand the OP see less response even the quest was legit.
 
I don't have the time... And, quite frankly, I'm kinda enjoying not being "on" all the time at the moment.
 
@Shog9 Wait, you have to have time? I'd better rethink this thing.
 
Plus, <-- terrible moderator
 
10:14 PM
It's less confusing all around and less worrisome for the company if Shog doesn't moderate
 
@Shog9 You don't actually know that. You've never been one.
 
@RaoHammasHussain oh, the tooltip on the question is different though... "this question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful"
 
Close enough to one
 
but you can click on "thanks" no matter what.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre thanks for that
 
10:15 PM
@Catija I've never sung in the Mormon Tabernacle Choir either, but...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Most important feature ever
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I hadn't thought of the sarcastic approach to thanks.
 
I'm the kind of user that values someone that takes care to ensure balance in discussions, because quite often those in most need can't get their trouble clear to others
 
Now when I go incognito to hit thanks, it will always be sarcastically
 
@GeorgeStocker You might be the only one...
@Shadow You would be a big fan of Makyen. Just sayin'...
 
10:16 PM
I pledged to never use that thanks feature.
 
@Shog9 I'll cut you a deal... We'll let you try both.
 
@Shog9 ... I've heard you sing. You shouldn't even audition.
 
@AndrewT. only if the question really is unclear or have shown zero effort.
 
I was so wrapped up in "Why would they devote time to this before boosting voting" I didn't think of the unintended problems with just "Thanks" by itself.
 
Come on. That audition would be AMAZING
 
10:16 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre have you double-checked? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398876/…
 
@Shog9 Except, in this case, you were previously the director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, and now you're arguing that you couldn't sing in it.
 
Also lately I've noticed the website has been heavily favoring bounty questions over any others and this is creating a graveyard of abandoned questions that never had a chance to be answered because users didn't have enough to post bounties
@CodyGray Thanks for the recommendation, I'll be checking on him
 
@AndrasDeak awww that's bad.
 
@Shog9 You would definitely try. :) And that counts for something.
 
Shog needs to remain the hermit on top of the mountain whom we approach after collecting all the dragonballs or something. Or all the artisanal beers.
 
10:18 PM
@Shadow That's not new. You probably have just been looking at the "bountied" tab. You can filter in other ways, e.g., by tag.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I had 4 thanks. I suggested they ignore these thanks...
4 thankses?
Nasty little hobbitses. I like the association.
 
... you'll thank me later.
 
no tanks in advantages!
 
@CodyGray Not really, this has been going for at least since late 2018, I've even noticed that my own questions hardly even get any input - before they would have activity within the day, tops
 
the popularity of this feature beats all records.
 
10:19 PM
@shadow: In just under 8 years on this site, I have answered exactly one question with a bounty.
 
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@CodyGray I doubt it's a lack of fortitude that stopped him
 
@Shadow Most questions get very little input, including bountied ones. This is because there are simply too many questions asked on this site each minute.
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Guess things change as always, but for me it feels like a bad change to have this be driven by this kind of reward - not that I am against it, just that it looks heavily inflexed towards it for obvious reasons
@rici I've answered 0, not because I chose to, but because I always looked at the question and if I could answer it or not
 
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there was a post giving stats on user retention - not sure if it was MSO or MSE and how interactions affected user retention. Does anyone know this post?
 
@Shadow Yes, I'm not the world's biggest fan of the bounty system, either. I pretty much ignore questions with a bounty. If I find one I'm interested in answering, I'll answer it regardless of whether or not it has a bounty set. But it does have its use.
 
10:20 PM
@CodyGray I guess so, I won't say it isn't that, but the change was noticeable and coincided to how heavily promoted bounties were when announced, might just have been a coincidence of course
 
There have not been any changes in how bountied questions are promoted in years.
So it cannot be that.
 
@shadow: Me, too. But I've answered 5,068 questions
 
@Yvette search Jon's posts
 
@CodyGray Then it must be like you said and the feeling I have is just a coincidence
@rici 🙆‍♂️
 
I think I answered 1 question with a bounty where I got the bounty. The other answer had a bounty but I missed it, even with 7 upvotes, because the bounty was set after I answered, but asker finally came to his senses and accepted my answer....
 
user3956566
10:22 PM
@Shog9 yeh I thought it might be Jon, was it MSE?
 
err, I never look at bountied tab to find questions that I want, almost all of them are impossible for me...
 
@shadow: Any suspicion like that you have (and I'm not just talking about SO) should be backed up with actual data.
 
@Yvette not sure. Just do "new users user:1438" on both
 
bounties are often a free pass for otherwise off-topic "do the work/research for me" questions.
 
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ta
 
10:22 PM
@shadow: The networks are full of people saying "I have a feeling that X", which usually turns out to be completely out to lunch.
 
@rici ah there is no need, this is just casual talk and also enlightening, I'm learning new things from those that know better than me
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre nudge nudge wink wink meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/399013/…
 
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Q: What can we do to encourage (or discourage) a second question?

Jon EricsonThis question is mostly an excuse for sharing some research I've been doing. It essentially replicates the data Shog gathered a few years ago. I think the results suggest some systemic and social solutions to our ongoing problems with question quality on Stack Overflow (and increasingly other lar...

 
The current UI fixed that problem by suggesting that closed questions are asked anew
Note for the next meeting: make second good questions the metric.
 
@AndrasDeak That has problems of its own.
 
10:26 PM
@AndrasDeak people often flag off-topic bounty questions, but since custom flag queue is quite loaded at this time, processing the flag is often done after the bounty has been awarded. Kind of defeats the purpose....
 
@AndrewT. ...and the rest are off-topic :-)
 
The removal of "On hold" was really surprising since I have to manually check the closed date and add 5 days manually before editing...
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a bit like an abortion clinic with a 10 month wait delay...
 
@CodyGray ugh, yes, that too...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre the FR I linked would make mod involvement unnecessary...
 
10:27 PM
I see JFF already beat me to the punch on that
 
@AndrewT. why?
 
d-_-b
 
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre how do you get away with these comments? :p
 
recycled old USSR joke.
 
@Shog9 to prevent automatic reopen vote?
 
user3956566
10:27 PM
ah k
 
Jean-François tries to increase USSR retention
 
Pretty sure I extended that to like 90 days or something
 
@Yvette Thanks, appreciated. I'll go over it fully later and comment more in detail later.
 
@AndrasDeak good idea. But mods don't have a say in features.
 
Had a reminder to gradually extend it to "forever", but sorta lost access to the setting mid way
 
10:28 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you have the one vote that everybody else has... I know it sucks but it might be more than nothing :P
 
@Shog9 if that's the case, then I missed the message...
 
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@GalGrünfeld it's interesting, it basically affirms the notion that people will stay if they get any type of acknowledgement, over being ignored.
 
I voted the question up right now @AndrasDeak
 
In any case, 5 days means nothing for closing.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Good!
 
10:29 PM
Let me log on with my sock accounts so I can upvote it more.
 
@Shog9 wait, what? Things get pushed in the reopen queue on first edit for ~90 days maybeprobably?
 
For some # of days. Much more than 5, less than infinity
 
Hello
 
Yeah, that should be written somewhere...
 
Realistically, makes almost no difference
Editing of closed questions drops off like a rock after a few days
 
10:30 PM
I wish we had indefinite edits by the OP or maybe with a tickbox that explicitly requests reopening once.
 
What are we talking about ? and where should I start reading about it ?
 
The functionality of "On Hold" essentially stayed... what left was the state itself. People had been complaining for years about how confusing it was.
 
I mean, I used to wish for that. Now I don't really care and I have more important things to use up my wishes for.
 
"more wishes"
 
the only solution is to write a good question right from the start.
sad but true.
 
10:32 PM
@Catija I liked the distinction. I could say "not closed, on hold, but yeah". And if necessary I could explain the specialty of being "on hold". Now I'd have to say "closed* (*in the first 5 or 90 days)"
 
The idea is, you just tell folks to edit.
 
[Pending Approval]... oh wait, that's [Triage]
 
Don't get em all flustered with a ticking clock
 
@Shog9 for me this exclusively comes up talking to non-OPs who try to help but don't.
 
"if you find the time to make this suck less, we'll think about reopening; otherwise, just leave it & it'll eventually be deleted"
 
10:33 PM
paved with good intentions and all that
 
Much simpler messaging
 
I'd also be OK with the reopen trigger to be reserved for OPs only
 
@AndrasDeak "if you can make questions appropriate, edit them. If you can't, move on - there are loads of other questions"
 
and then forget about time
@Shog9 ah, but appropriateness is in the eye of the beholder. Surely formatting the code makes it more appropriate?
 
Well, that can be turned off easily. But, should probably look at the data first.
@AndrasDeak probably, yeah. Unformatted code is a scourge.
 
10:36 PM
@Shog9 hmm, getting data. Who you gonna call? :P
 
@cat!
 
Still trying to solve that problem.
 
I've often faced with posts having multiple problems, like unclear and bad grammar. I should have fixed the grammar first then closed, not the reverse :/
 
Pretty sure you don't call someone who refers to it as "sequel".
 
She needs the Ess Kew Ell practice
 
10:37 PM
No
 
But I can live with "just leave it and move on"...
 
Don't bring that conversation in here @Catija
xd
 
The great SQL divide of 2020?
...how do you pronounce it when it's noSQL?
 
... in that case I pronounce the letters individually
 
It should be noz-cool. Perhaps that's where Tolkien got the name from.
 
10:39 PM
Nos QL
aw, ninja'd
 
I pronounce it like no SQL, with each letter in the latter word pronounced individually
 
I thought everyone said "sequel"...
 
@pppery so you're a cattist if I'm reading the discussion right
or...the other way around?
first Arkansaw and now this
 
@CodyGray <3 you should've been there in the discord discussion, I needed support
 
Zoe
You're both wrong tho
 
10:42 PM
Shush you xd
 
@Nick Hint: If you'd stop having those discussions in places where I don't hang out, I would be better able to support you.
 
Okay, okay, I'll repeat the original question here
 
Poor Cody is already stretching his social media muscles being here in chat
 
> Me and Zoe are having another discussion about pronunciation... so the question, how do you pronounce OP, the letters O.P. or as one syllable like the end of "pop"
 
"op" has another meaning: abbreviation for operation. So Original Poster must be O.P.
 
10:43 PM
@Nick which one of you monsters is the latter?
 
OP, as in... Over Powered!?
 
Poor Pop. What an ignoble end.
 
:groan:, I'm really alone on that one
 
By the way, Nick, we have Bill Gates on our side
 
I like the spelling version because it says "oh, pee!" which is spot-on in most cases
 
10:45 PM
"You know, Ed, it sure is silly how two old friends can disagree over such a small misunderstanding."
 
By the way, I read it in one syllable though, blame the influence of my native language...
 
...how does that work? Way too many letters for one syllable.
 
Let's focus on the real pressing problems: MCVE
 
@CodyGray I cringed a lot...
 
@AndrasDeak Did you mean: reprex?
@AaronHall It's the 80s. Everyone did.
 
10:46 PM
gesundheit
 
@CodyGray minReprex, I thought.
 
@AndrasDeak mac'vee right? :p
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Linus is where it's at :P
 
repminprex, the latest pharmaceutical product from Stack Overflow
@Zoe And how does he pronounce it?
 
@CodyGray does it help with the stinging sensation you get after a downvote?
 
10:48 PM
@CodyGray Code laxative? Makes your program run more smoothly.
 
I don't know what it does yet. I've never been brave enough to take it.
 
@AdrianMole generates a core dump
 
Still unwilling to say the name aloud to my doctor or pharmacist.
 
LOL
 
Zoe
@CodyGray iDunno
 
10:48 PM
Is your code not running? Does it lack the... Vigor... That it once had?
 
And as for what it does to a code smell...
 
Well, you won't have to worry about that anymore, thanks to the numerous side effects
 
Just today I got spam that started with "Is your sprinkler too short?", and for once it was someone trying to sell me a 45-meter garden hose. I was quite surprised.
 
Speaking of which ... I have the non-decent half of the Shiraz still waiting.
 
Indecent Shiraz...
 
10:51 PM
Yep - it's been in the frdige.
 
Speaking of , how do you pronounce "Shiraz"?
 
Syrrah.
 
I pronounce it how it's spelt.
 
Sure, Azzz
 
Sheer As but with a very short "ee"
 
10:52 PM
@AaronHall I don't trust such statements from native English speakers :P
 
I've heard "Sure Oz" from wine connoisseurs
 
like that ^
 
Wine Buzz-heads always speak funny.
 
This was before they'd had any
After that, nobody cares how you pronounce it
 
I got a hand pump and stoppers on Amazon, seems to help prevent over-oxidation of my reds, but I have to pump it about 100 times...
 
10:54 PM
"I'm getting echoes of spring lambs gambolling playfully through beds of tall hollyhocks..."
 
Finishing the bottle also works
 
Do I have to google now what Shiraz is?
 
It's non-French for Syrrah.
 
Wine, @AndrasDeak
 
It's like merlot, but with more Zs
 
10:54 PM
^ Heresy! Stone him.
 
It's a city in Iran
 
I think the grape is named after that city.
 
Not a coincidence. That's where the wine got its name.
 
I hate hangovers, so I rarely finish a bottle on the first go. My wife takes just one glass (or less), so there's always leftover...
 
@CodyGray I kind of gathered that, but thanks anyway
 
10:55 PM
@AndrasDeak I didn't want you to have to waste your Google quota
 
how thoughtful of you
 
Don't come to expect it
 
I actually looked it up directly on wikipedia
 
It's weird that sites have their own search, isn't it?
 
I'd rather have a nitrogen system but we don't have enough wine or space to really make it worth it.
 
10:58 PM
@CodyGray didn't even use that. I hack wikipedia URLs like the 1337 h4xx0r that I am
 
Search keywords are the best. "wp sandoz"
 
@CodyGray Does SO have its own search? I mean one that works? I looked but found only Google.
 
@AdrianMole yes, no (respectively)
pro-tip: duckduckgo has the !ddso bang that searches on SO
 
jwm
wow. I popped in here in the middle of the wine discussion and scrolled back to the pronounciation debate ... no wonder everyone is drinking
 
Zoe
Pro tip: DDG has !so to search Stack Overflow
 
11:06 PM
Amateur Tip: Drink more wine and then you don't care.
 
@Zoe that's exactly as useful as SO's internal search.
 
Zoe
oh xd
Didn't know there was a difference
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the election phase. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
jwm
see? I thought this was the election room, but with all the talk of wine, I wasn't sure
but I DO see the connection
 
Yeah, the connection was during the SQL talk
 
11:15 PM
StackOverflow chat is so much better than IRC. IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
 
IIRC IRC was all I ever needed
 
There's a Vatican-lead version: RCIRC.
Is it significant that alcohol.SE has no user with 10K rep?
 
Does anyone find it strange that on the election page there is no Submit button?
 
I wish the "This post was edited, should it be reopened?" review queue would show all edits since the version that was closed, together.
 
@Dharman submit what? Or to whom?
 
11:20 PM
@AndrasDeak Submit your votes.
We have Submit buttons everywhere. When asking questions, when posting comments, when making edits.
 
You click a button and the usercard shows up on the right. That's pretty obvious UX to me (for once)
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I thought it did
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Good point. I have come across posts in Reopen that state: "This post was edited after it was closed..." followed by "... no changes to display" a few times. Even for a fictional character as sharp as I am, that's confusing.
 
Can't be bothered to even read that link.
 
@AaronHall It's too long, can you give us tl;dr?
Ahh forget it, I can wait so long.
 
11:23 PM
I don't need to read that to know what it says
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ person - why didn't you post your answers to the questions on the site? That is the main reason I did not vote for you.
 
@AaronHall There's a link in my election post. Do you want me to also post it on meta?
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ yes, why not?
I mean, who doesn't want another Python moderator
 
Pro: python. Con: crazy.
 
Or: Pro: Crazy Con Python.
 
11:25 PM
is too lazy to add a question mark
 
{Hubris prevent admitting any typo in previous message}
 
jwm
Pro: Crazy Con Python or Crazy Pro Python Con?
 
Give me a moment. There is a problem with Stack Overflow's markdown parser.
 
I created a balanced scorecard for myself on those three metrics and I must admit I aced it.
 
(It renders in the editor differently than on the site.)
 
11:28 PM
@AaronHall can't tell if hubris or humour
 
whynotboth.gif
 
@AndrasDeak Maybe it's a blend: Humus.
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Stack Overflow Meta is vulnerable to cargo cults: people will upvote an post with positive score, people will downvote a post with negative score. I saw it on one meta post I made on SO Docs, it would quickly gain downvotes while the score was negative, and quickly gain upvotes while the score was positive. I watched it oscillate between both directions for a couple hours while improving the post.
 
@ElectionBot Who's winning so far?
 
11:31 PM
@AdrianMole Don't encourage bandwagoning.
 
I really don't think even the Bot knows.
 
I think the purpose of not displaying who would win during an election is to discourage bandwagoning.
To let people think independently.
When individuals have independent sources of truth, the market of ideas works wonderfully. Let it work its magic.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You should put that line in your Meta post.
 
@AdrianMole Hmmm, I can insert it at the end of my questionnaire, since I can no longer edit my election post/nomination.
 
That's the one I meant. In italics would look good.
 
11:38 PM
Maybe:
> *When individuals have independent sources of truth, the market of ideas works wonderfully.* This is why I believe in nonviolent, two-way communication.
(Feedback?)
 
As they say in down-town somewhere: Suck it and see.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Why did you chose to not answer the 10th question?
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I think @noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ is right on this. Hi all. I hope the best (someone who understand the real purpose of SO) wins
 
@Scratte I thought about describing my experience as a vice-leader of a game development community. However, I mostly observed that community's dynamics as well as helping other community members, I wasn't an active participant in its moderation.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ My question is... why have you answered JavaScript questions? Isn't that a form of heresy in the Python community?
 
11:46 PM
dump question, is there a mobile or desktop app for this chat platform?
 
@adegukLoggcity Chat is responsive so it works in mobile (albeit not perfektly)
 
@Scratte Many of the other moderators responses to #10 were hand-wavy and air-y. I'd rather say nothing that tell something devoid of truth and reason.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You could also be honest.
 
@Machavity Thanks. Am new to it and would love to stay involved
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I mean.. so far I think a lot of users think that you will be a non-moderator. That you will not handle flags and not put in the 30-60 minutes of work each day. So what do you have to lose by being honest?
 
11:50 PM
Even the Stack Exchange App just uses mobile chat, so having the app (if you can get it) doesn't get you much when it comes to chat.
 
@Machavity It is? I wouldn't know.
 
@Catija so it's in line with the general development weight of chat
 
May everyone who has downvoted the questionnaire post-- 80% of which were since it gained negative score (before it received an even number of points)-- explain 1) what they dislike with these answers and 2) why they did not give feedback when the questionnaire response was in the feedback period?
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ didn't you just post it to meta only now?
I never looked, but I could only find the teeny-tiny off-site "questionnaire" link in your nomination when you mentioned it. And the rest of your nomination doesn't sound like someone who wants to become a mod (other than to protest), so I never really expected you to answer the questionnaire.
 
@AndrasDeak You saw the link and didn't expect me to answer?
 
11:55 PM
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ as I said, I read your nomination after you posted it and didn't notice a questionnaire link. When earlier today you talked about it I looked again and it was there in ant-print. And it links off-site.
Which is to say you shouldn't expect feedback for something that's not very obvious to find.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ For 1. I cannot say. I didn't vote on it. for 2. You did it unconventionally. Feedback is suppose to be on meta, not on gitlab. Most users don't want to go offsite to read it. There were even users that couldn't (including me), since it required I logged in.
 
Yeah... you only just posted that, @noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ. The general idea is that you should post it around the same time as your nomination, thus giving people time to evaluate it properly.
 
I expected feedback on the version that was starred here and I asked feedback on.
I posted it at election start.
 
The election is currently in the final election phase, ending at 2020-07-21 20:00:00Z (in 7 days).
 
@AndrasDeak I think the mobile chat interface was one of the most recent changes to chat... and that was like four years ago. I'm hoping that we can spend some time on chat in Q4 or 2021 Q2.
 
11:57 PM
@Catija the "allow room owners to put rooms in timeout" may have been newer, but yeah
 
@Scratte Hmmm, I'll look at mirroring the questionnaire elsewhere. Are you sure you couldn't access the public document?
 
@AndrasDeak that's a simple permission change.
 
@Catija that being said I'm not sure we'll be better off if the company starts tackling chat too :'D
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I couldn't. We had this discussion in here when you posted it. There was a broken link, or something.
 
@Catija so is meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/257949/… or so I'd think :(
but I'm happy to see anything favourable happening, don't get me wrong
 
11:58 PM
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Yes. I am sure. I tried twice.. I later found the one that RyanM had linked where I read it, but I didn't feel like commenting on it in chat. Had you posted it on meta, like everyone else, I'd have left comments/questions there.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ I don't read this room, I'm only here because I wanted to complain about the election UI
elections should be self-contained on the election page
But I'm just being devil's advocate because I don't personally care about the questionnaire, and as I said I estimated your nomination as "not serious"
 

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