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4:01 PM
If a candidate nominates at the last moment, is it still possible to comment under the nomination? Or, will that comment section ever get closed?
 
Zoe
the comment section disappears after the nomination period IIRC
 
That's not good. How would we link to the questionnaire on a Beta site? Can we comment on the election page?
 
Zoe
It would need to be done in the nomination itself
Comments are also hidden in the later phases, so even if you get it in during the nomination phase, it won't be visible
 
Locked is ok. Deleted is a bit of trouble.
 
4:03 PM
the Q&A is still linked from the election page, where comments can still occur until the question is locked
 
Hmm, what if a candidate fears of negative comments and nominates at the last moment?
 
valid strategy
 
Zoe
@ouflak not technically deleted; they can still be seen in the nomination tab, but not in the tab most people see
@ArdentCoder If they post a questionnaire answer, they can still get comments there.
 
@Zoe Cool!
 
@ArdentCoder not a problem, and getting pinged by too many comments could be annoying too, both positive and negative comments
 
4:05 PM
@ArdentCoder Or the users that wanted to ask questions cannot, and are probably less likely to vote for them?
 
@ArdentCoder, It's a fair tactic I suppose. @Zoe, So the nominees can see the link to the questionnaire, but not the voters?
 
@ArdentCoder Not a very good way to garner votes, tho. And if you post no Meta questionnaire some people will notice.
 
i mean
 
Zoe
@ouflak No, I mean that the link needs to be edited in as a part of the nomination
Since comments get hidden in the phases that matter, that's the only way to give a direct link
 
that assumes people read the questionnaire.
obviously some people do, but how many people that cast votes do?
 
Zoe
4:05 PM
The second alternative is just linking the questionnaire in general and linking names in the question
Also what Kevin said - not all people read the questionnaire xd
 
@KevinB, I think that this year, more than usual.
 
Zoe
Some votes are even cast purely based on demographics
 
So living in meta or planet earth covers everyone?
 
You mean like those of us who are determined to make sure a 'low-rep' candidate gets a vote?
 
Zoe
Rep isn't the only factor
 
4:08 PM
rep, voting history, tag scores, avatar shape/color, name length/coolness,
 
For some of us, reps are not the factor...
 
Zoe
@KevinB Also real-world stuff, in some cases
 
I'm going to vote for cats and dogs only.
 
One upon a time - it was very skewed towards mods being either in the US/Western Europe timezones... however, it's spread out a fair bit more now - so in some elections - people did deliberately vote for candidates for their geographical location/timezone... (although from my understand - not solely for that reason but it was certainly a non-minor consideration)
 
@Zoe, Not sure what you meant by 'linking the questionnaire in general'. The question itself does have links to the user's answers (at the moment only 2 out of 4). Following the same format as the one here.
 
Zoe
4:11 PM
@ouflak on stackoverflow.com/election/12 under "additional links", there's a link to the questionnaire
that means anyone who actually cares about the questionnaire can at least find the general area in which the answers have been posted, although it's not a direct link to a specific nominee
 
And it's good, since linking on the nomination entry did take some characters XD
 
@JonClements I assume there's even statistics on this? It's a bit strange though. I mean I don't think someone would be a better moderator just because they live next to me..
 
But on the Beta sites we don't have that (or the chat room link). And I'd like it if the users can have a convenient link like that.
@AndrewT., Exactly. Many of our nomination statements are very profound. Every. Byte. Counts.
 
@Scratte Not that I'm aware of... I just know the mods are more spread out than they use to be location wise and people discussing whether to consider timezone/location as part of their voting
 
@Scratte If your primary interest is that critical flags are addressed in a short timeframe, it's a lot more likely if the moderators are not asleep.
 
4:16 PM
Though, previous elections had far more candidates and variety
 
@IanCampbell That certainly does not apply anymore. Besides maybe the one I vote for picks flags to handle that are different than the ones I usually raise. I'd be happy if they are handled within a day for complex ones, but we are far from that small timeframe.
 
I'm just providing an example of how geographic location might influence a voter's choice.
 
I'm getting the impression that Beta site elections are treated sort of like comments in these parts, i.e. second class citizens....
 
But in a way I suppose one could pick candidates in time zones that are not covered by others in a hope that someone will always be online and active.
@IanCampbell Honestly I think it's more of a clan-thing.
 
Real election on beta sites was a bit new concept, previously it's just pro-tempore election...
 
4:22 PM
@ouflak Where are you having an election?
 
@Scratte Expatriates.SE
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For a quiet site, that's a lot of mod questions...
 
Just copy/pasted the one from here over to there, with a few slights mods to be more general.
The thing is, those questions don't seem to be relevant so much to a specific site, as more to the network in general. The stuff that's gone down lately has had ripple effects everywhere.
 
Ah, I just realized there was no post for questions collection...
 
Do you mean that the main election post doesn't contain a link?
Because is certainly a questionnaire.
 
I recognize JoErNanO from Travel.SE. Good mod
 
4:30 PM
Yeah.
 
He pops into Charcoal from time to time
 
Just went through his profile a bit. Stays out of the more troublesome meta flare ups, but seems very credible. Not quite as active on Expats obviously.
 
@ouflak the official questionnaire collection like the current one for SO, posted by CM before the election starts
 
@AndrewT., That's obviously specific to StackOverflow (mentioned in the first sentence).
We have one for expats as well. expatriates.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/415/… that is based on that one, just changed the wording a bit to be more generic.
 
Perhaps it only applies to graduated sites, which, well... :/
 
4:35 PM
Not sure. What other sites are having elections right now besides SO and Expats?
 
Not sure either, but on Android.SE, the 2018 one and the 2019 one
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
thaaaaanks electionbot
 
@ElectionBot what a stalker ;)
 
 
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5:51 PM
There are record low nominees this year... Down over 30% from the previous all-time low (last year)
 
Yes. Is that negative for the election?
 
I guess with only two mods needed it's not a real issue
Is there any way to see how many moderators have been in place historically? Idk if this can be done with sede queries
 
Well, there are still more candidates I would like to vote for, than I have votes
 
Yeah if there are fewer than 10 nominees, primaries are skipped, I don't think that's ever happened before (it could've if the primary election trigger was for a higher number of nominees previously)
 
@Pluto no, not easy. I have some SEDE queries about elections. You can see how many nominations there have been
 
6:00 PM
I think someone made a mod timeline somewhere, but I can't recall it, or even if the page is still alive or not
 
@AndrewT. oh, yes, from Normal
 
I think there was more drive to moderate SO in the past (Election 1 had 55 candidates!). We're at a low now because of mistakes
 
That's not true, the nominee count and needed mods for each election has gone down historically
It could be partially related to that, but I feel like what would be more related to what you're referencing is the number of moderators (outside of elections)
 
I dunno. We've never had more than 3 spots in any election
Some prior elections saw call-ups
 
Only the 2nd and 4th election had 4 slots from the beginning
 
6:09 PM
Having only 2 openings now seems a bit austere, but then again there's only 7 candidates.
 
Last time I remembered you wanted to be a mod, bjbot...
 
Mod team decided the slots. We've had 5 resignations, and one reinstatement
 
You'd think there'd be a good portion of the user base who doesn't know or care that much about the drama. Maybe the bitterness of the candidate questionnaire convinced people not to apply.
 
It was a bit over-the-top.
 
As for myself, I was considering it, but there's at least two candidates I'd vote for over myself.
 
6:12 PM
When I copy/pasted it, I thought, "I'm gonna have to drop all sorts of bits to be relevant to this site." Then I went through and realized it had almost nothing to do with StackOverflow at all. It was all about what's been happening across the network overalll.
 
I guess so, I'd be put off to answer the questions honestly, not even preparing for the flak on the comment thread...
 
Haven't had any comments yet....
 
how do i vote
 
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations, as well as read the candidates' answers to your questions to find out more. Don't forget to come back soon to also vote in the actual election phase!
 
Looks like I'll be still awake when the election phase comes :/
 
6:18 PM
@Makyen Are there UTC clocks in chat rooms?
 
@AnnZen Everything is done in UTC. The chat client merely translates the time you see into your browser's timezone
 
@AnnZen Chat clocks are a bit of a confused mess. In some places (e.g. main chat pages) the displayed times are in the time for your locale. Other places (e.g. search and transcripts) the times displayed are in UTC.
 
@Makyen But where is the clock?
 
On the chat server
 
There's no visible clock, just timestamps on each message
 
6:21 PM
@AnnZen There's no actual clock displayed, but there are timestamps displayed on some messages.
 
@Nick Oh. Not very convenient, i guess.
 
Well, there should be a clock on whatever device you're using, be it your phone clock or your PC clock
 
@Nick Yes, but it would be nice if there were a UTC clock in the rooms.
 
@Zoe ?
 
6:26 PM
It's a UTC clock :p
 
Zoe
^
 
@AnnZen We could always create one with a userscript.
 
@AndrewT. Did you mean a timeline on nominations? Because rene did
 
@Makyen It's always userscripts ^^ Sounds confusing, though.
Anyway, I tried the userscript you gave me last time, but nothing happened.
 
@AnnZen Sometimes, userscripts are the only way to get the tooling you need, especially in chat
 
6:32 PM
There's a UTC clock on the site, so... use that?
 
@AnnZen Hmmm... The scripts work for most people. I'm happy to help diagnose the problem. However, it's probably more appropriate for us to do so in a different room. How about we take debugging that to SOCVR Testing Facility?
 
@Catija there is?
 
@Nick In the achievement tab.
ninja'd
 
Granted, like the links to badges and privileges, it's easy to miss.
 
6:35 PM
Top Bar for Chat Room userscript, if interested...
 
@Catija That's actually significantly more difficult to do, given that it's in a different domain. I haven't looked at the code for that, but it's likely to be based on the user's system clock, but just displayed in UTC, which is easy to do.. It would be possible to get a close approximation of the server's current time from the events which arrive on the chat page, but it would only be accurate to within a few seconds, due to various networking delays.
 
Is that new? I only noticed it the other day
 
@Machavity It's been there for years.
 
@Makyen I didn't mean use it for a userscript... I just meant use it to check the time. :D
 
@Catija Ahh... I misunderstood. :)
 
6:36 PM
Nah, I posted that message at an ambiguous moment.
 
@AndrewT. There's also another timeline linked by Zoe. I belive it was made by Samuel Liew
 
Zoe
It was
 
This is the one phase of the election I don't have to do anything for... I just have to make sure there's no last minute candidates who shouldn't be there... I've been thinking that we should have a gap between the end of nominations and beginning of voting... not more than a day but... just a buffer.
 
4 hours
2 hours
anything
 
Yup.
Even 20 minutes would give me a chance to clear out someone who nominated after having been suspended.
 
6:40 PM
So, it seems like we have our 7 candidates. Congrats! We will go directly to the election phase then.
 
@Scratte not this one too, it's by a user previously known as Normal Human, showing just the timeline of all SO mods in a very compact graph
 
@AndrewT. Sorry. Never seen that. So I don't know what to search for.
 
1 hour
 
AFAIK, the page was already taken down by himself
 
hey @Catija for the small chance I actually make it, I'll be on holiday for a week in the mountains of germany when the election ended. Is that a problem?
 
6:43 PM
@Tschallacka Nope.
 
ok. Good to know :-)
 
There's no "must accept the mod agreement by [deadline]" rule or anything... in fact, I think some of the smaller site mods have gone a year without accepting the agreement on meta.
Letting people know in advance is nice, though :D - Thanks.
 
@AndrewT. Then there's maybe the wayback machine, but one needs to know the URL.
 
@Tschallacka nice, where are you going?
 
@AnnZen How do I find this tab?
 
6:46 PM
@Catija Hopefully this won't be an issue much longer... we're making it so that you don't have to accept separately on the two parts of the site.
 
@Scratte Click on the trophy cup.
It has 2 handles
 
@rene Insingen
 
@AnnZen Oh ok.. never mind then. Thanks :)
 
... and a star.
 
@AnnZen I've blocked the icon ;) So.. that explain why I couldn't find it.
 
6:48 PM
@Tschallacka Internet connection isn't good in Germany at the land areas. So, you probably won't be online indeed. :-)
 
@Catija ha, this! I was confused when I had been asked to accept it again on meta :)
 
@Scratte When it's not blocked, you will see a cup that turns green every minute. That's the one.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio yea, the place where we're going is supposed to have wifi, but, having lived in Kleve having to chug along on a 6MB/s dsl line on a 20MB/s abo, I don't have high expitations.
 
@AnnZen lol!.. "every minute". You've got more reputation than lots of users that's been here a decade :D
 
@Tschallacka okay, I've not been there but a bit to the North and to the West. Enjoy your stay!
 
6:50 PM
Will do my best
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
@AndrewT. :D Heck. I have a FR asking it be fixed. :P
 
7:26 PM
hi
 
ih
 
Zoe
​
 
eh.
 
if there's any last minute nominations - they're certainly cutting it close :)
 
brb
 
Zoe
7:30 PM
4 hours ago, by Zoe
2 hours ago, by Zoe
the ship has kinda sailed tho
 
xD
29 minutes
 
28 minutes
Are you really counting the minutes? :)
 
Zoe
still 29
 
you still have time Zoe
 
Zoe
?
 
7:32 PM
to nominate
 
Zoe
I'm still not going to
 
I'm not cheating.. 27 minutes
@Zoe Did you at least prepare the questionnaire? :)
 
Zoe
No?
 
... y'all shouldn't be giving her a hard time. :(
 
you really have a screw loose counting the minutes.
damn 25 minutes
 
7:35 PM
I know it's fun to encourage people you think would be great candidates but... it's a lot to commit to.
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You're doing it wrong!
24 minutes 55 seconds :P
 
I stand corrected.
 
23 minutes :)
Isn't it more important to count the last minutes when the election phase ends?
 
I think we already set a record with 3 retractions
 
Wonder if one can nominate twice by nominating, then retracting, then nominating..
 
7:39 PM
why not
double the exposure to the 10k+ people
 
(or something...)
 
But after the countdown ended, since it's not real time voting, nothing will really happen until it's over.
 
exactly
 
woooo 8 days to go and counting!!
 
7:41 PM
I'm already missing the primary :(
 
So do I. And it also indicates that less people are interested in the position. Not a good sign.
 
maybe we could run the primary vote monitor anyway, but just make it feed itself random votes at random times - at least then something to watch :)
 
I"d rather watch the paint dry.
 
what about watch the grass grow? :-)
 
Or the actual election page....
 
7:43 PM
Can't we just post cat gifs here for 8 days?
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oh. So no one knows the numbers until a week from now?
 
@rene that's the only option.
@Scratte only CMs
 
Zoe
@rene If we get all the mods to leave, we can post unicorns instead :P
 
Anonymous
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Stack Overflow's background is white, you can instead watch the flies attract to the screen
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oh. I don't think they're hiring.. :(
 
7:44 PM
flies. That works too
 
@JonathanRosa I need to file a bug report; my SO background is black
(ish)
 
No they're not hiring. Rather the opposite actually.
 
I was hoping I would see rene fly in at 60 seconds remaining, but I suppose such an exciting event wouldn't occur... right?
 
Anonymous
@TylerH is the screen OLED?
 
Zoe
Dark mode
 
Anonymous
7:46 PM
nothing is truly dark
 
@Pluto What's the all-time high?
 
Zoe
You know, because 2020 hasn't been quite dark enough
 
whoever did the rene rickrolling didn't time it right..
 
Zoe
That was a pretty mean thing to do regardless of the timing, ngl
 
@Scratte oh man.... that'd just be far too cruel at this stage...
 
7:47 PM
@JonClements You're talking to my soul now ;)
 
@Machavity brilliant :p
 
lol!.. I almost chocked on chocolate :D
 
That's the perfect amount of blur.
 
Well... it seems time has almost caught us...
 
Zoe
7:50 PM
10 minutes
 
Less expensive than a clock: Zoe
 
8 minutes
 
Zoe
oh, yeah, I should probably mention that I've sent you a bill that'll arrive in 6-8... I bill by the second :P
 
So, someone might pull an ebay bid and nominate in the last seconds
6 minutes
 
Possible, but unlikely. Most of the interest comes in the opening days
 
7:53 PM
That early exposure keeps candidates in the minds of future voters, I think.
 
15000 ish people got the caucus badge, with most earners in the first few days.
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Don't forget to take network latency into account.
 
@JonathanRosa I don't think so, just IPS. I have two ~5-day-old Dell P2419Hs so I'm not super familiar with their specs... lemme check
 
ugh, my network latency is 1 day 4 hours...
 
4 minutes
 
Anonymous
7:55 PM
Makyen was nominated 2 days ago, would early voters think of them?
 
@JonathanRosa Any voter will notice all the candidates, I'd assume.
 
When you go to vote, you're still presented with all of the candidates.
 
Zoe
4 minutes
 
and the order is randomized
 
Zoe
oof, ninja'd xd
 
7:56 PM
@JonathanRosa That's the one good thing about the current screen. You're presented with a random order list of the candidates. Doesn't matter when they nominated
 
I wonder how many of the 13000 first time visitors before the nomination of Makyen returned to check up
 
2 minutes, geez
 
and the random order changes in real time so when you think you vote for someone, you vote for someone else instead
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Anonymous
exactly
 
1 minute!
 
7:58 PM
Tick tock
 
steals your data and uses it for the CCP
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre just like Time-based OTP!
 
*mostlikely
 
Zoe
70 seconds
 
Anonymous
this is such a tiktok moment
 
7:59 PM
Still time to nominate ;)
 
50 seconds
 
What, no milliseconds?
 
40 seconds
 
Zoe
Do I look like an atomic clock to you?! :P
 
7:59 PM
25
 
20 seconds
 
Zoe
20
 
:)
 
@Tschallacka I had to look that up.
 
10 seconds
 
7:59 PM
inb4 "Stack Overflow is offline for maintenance"...
 
Anonymous
-one
 

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