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1:00 PM
There are still 7 hours remaining, maybe more people will nominate themselves at the last moment
 
Zoe
the ship has kinda sailed tho
 
Hey @ElectionBot go nominate yourself.
 
Rob
@LinkBerest Do you mean the comment on the question collection post?
 
@Tschallacka it's not looking massively likely - but it's not unknown for people to do so in last couple of hours - I'd just be surprised if that was the case for this election though
 
reminds me of my kid's (both under 8) playing soccer - where certain parents don't want to keep score because then someone loses (which my daughter hates because if you gets a goal then want is the point - except to see daddy go "GGGGOOOOAAAALLL!!!!" of course)
@Rob ummm.... yeah that was the one
 
1:02 PM
True @JonClements but who knows. I can see 1, maybe 2, but 4 would be a stretch
 
Rob
@LinkBerest It wasn't deleted as unfriendly, wasn't even flagged :)
 
See, so you clearly didn't ask :joy:
 
Zoe
:GWChadThinkEyes:
 
@Nick that was me asking ;) (there are like 4 mods in here - or at least pingable). to be fair, by "unfriendly" I assumed an employee just super-deleted it and also don't see how it would be "unneeded" - it was just stating the trend
 
Hmmm @Zoe googling that I get this result: i.imgur.com/Kibiyd6.png what are you trying to emote?
 
Zoe
1:05 PM
lmao
 
@LinkBerest Touché
 
inb4 Zoe links GWChadThinkEyes as an image
damn it
 
Zoe
Too late ;p
 
ahh
does this server live on discord as well?
 
1:06 PM
@Zoe There wasn't even a second in that xd
 
If I really cared I'd make a meta post but its such a small thing - I don't really see the need (and honestly I'm more meh about it)
 
Rob
@LinkBerest Employees very rarely delete comments or handle flags. The comment thread there was related to an election on a different site, so it looks like the mod just cleaned up all the comments. In any case, it wasn't really related to the post anyway
 
yeah, see my statement right above - I'll agree to disagree about that but I do see your point so shrug (its just a comment anyway - if I wanted permanance I would have put it in my answer on that post)
 
What would be interesting is to get stats after the election, of how many of the voters also read the questionaires during the election phase, and the mean time used to come to a descision.
 
@Tschallacka I know who my top two choices are going to be purely based on their nominations and my on-site experience with them, didn't even need to read their questionnaires (although I did)
 
1:10 PM
same - picking my third choice is actually going to be hard though
 
Zoe
If you vote right, you won't need a third choice :p
 
if they do this like they have other years - the runner-up will get tapped later in the year once they trained up the other two
 
Hmmmh, 7k users viewed the questionaire so far. There is no views stat on the election page though as far as I can see
 
@Tschallacka No, that comes after the election has finished
 
maybe a sede query who got the badge during the nomination phase
 
Zoe
1:12 PM
err, it's not necessarily 7k users
 
true
 
Zoe
7k views is also equivalent to one user refreshing every 30 minutes for...
 
@Zoe Sure it is, just not 7k distinct users :p
 
Zoe
145 days xD
 
#mathnotevenonce
math is evil
 
Zoe
1:14 PM
Math is fun
 
evil can be fun too, still is evil though
 
Zoe
nah
 
It's maths, not math
weirdos :p
 
Zoe
Shush, London :P
 
Mhhh, 15529 Caucus badges assigned. So roughly 1/3rd to 1/2 of Caucus receives read nomination questionaires. Just a rough guess. Of course those numbers can be totally unrelated through popularity on meta and replies and comment notifications.
 
1:22 PM
That's the number who open the page
 
yup
 
Zoe
some people just <C-W> right away
 
true, I could split out per day of the nomination phase
the first day there were little nominations. I was only the second to nominate
Ooof, more than 7000 assigned on the first day data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1262581/…
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
prods @ElectionBot with a pointy stick are you awake?
 
1:32 PM
@ElectionBot awake
It seems no
 
What suprises me that only 15.000 logged in users visted the election page
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
:facepaw:
 
@Nick You can facepaw on your own spare time >.>
 
@Tschallacka for election 11 the stats were: 92,007 visited the election page, and 30,520 voted, so ... not sure how much users you expected ....
 
1:41 PM
eligible* visited @rene :p
 
I kinda expected more active users on the website really. Somewhere in the multitudes of tens of thousands the least per day.
 
@Nick yes, okay
 
active and care about moderation policy is not the same thing
 
True, but there is a free badge in it.
 
there are plenty of users who just go "I don't care how your moderate as long as I can ask questions" (then only care when they get downvoted and closed because they did care but such is life)
heh, there are plenty of users who don't care about rep or badges (I know I'm one ;)
 
1:46 PM
Yea, but free badge.
xD
 
They don't get badge if they don't have enough rep though...
 
They don't?
ah right
 
Stilll
free badge
 
And also no notification about the election
 
1:48 PM
I should make a tshirt to display all my badges xD
 
@Tschallacka Make it out of LEDs so it can keep updating and whenever you get a new badge make it flash the colour of the badge and yell out the badge name
 
ohhh, that would be interesting. You could hook up an arduino linked to a wifi access point to keep up to date
It needs shoulderpads then though
 
It's the era of IoT and Smart Shirts.
 
xD
And then somebody hacks my tshirt
lights me up like a christmas tree
 
you know if you uploaded a picture of that custom-made shirt to your nomination - it might attract some votes ;)
 
1:51 PM
nah, I'm hanging at a comfortable -15
at least my score is steady around the same point
 
fair, I also didn't speculate on what kind of votes they'd be
 
hmm....you cannot get to the election page using SO on mobile (just the site not the app)
 
day 30 of getting the fanatic badge. Maybe I'll make it this time
 
Zoe
I had 1.1k days in a row at one point
 
1:53 PM
But I have holiday next week. Changes are great I might miss a day then :S
3 years zoe? impressive.
 
Zoe
wait, no xd
that was days visited, not days consecutive xd the longest consecutive streak I have is 830 days
 
🚽
 
🧻
 
Zoe
yeah, ended on the 16th of November 2019 :')
I'll have a leet amount of total days visited in a week though
 
I'm currently at 200 consecutive days, i think longest streak was in the 400s
Then I went on holiday
 
Zoe
2:03 PM
I just don't have a life :p
 
@Nick Hoarder. Wait, you're in the UK. Never mind
 
hmmh, up to 3000 rep has the largest response to the caucus badge receiving. After that the userbase seems to be evenly spread around 0-10 per 1000 votes. Does this indicate a lot of people plateau after 3000 or just stop using the site?
 
@Machavity I got given a pack of 4 rolls at the beginning of quarantine by my parents after I said I didn't need any (I had 3 spares)... I still haven't opened the pack they gave me
 
Zoe
No, it just happens to mirror how the vast majority of users have little rep
If one person with a Jon Skeet amount of rep stops using the site, there's a 100% dropout over Jon Skeet levels because there's only one user with that much rep. If one 1 rep user disappears, there's still several million more :')
 
True, but with a site that's been active for more than a few year I kinda expect more 3000+ rep users to be active. Maybe we have too much good quality content that questions don't need to be asked anymore because they figured out the tricks to find the answers they need
 
Zoe
2:07 PM
Ran some stats a while ago, and about 99% of all users either had 1 rep, or under 100 rep - I don't remember exactly
 
I mean, I have such a low score because I found out how to use google to find everything I need.
 
Personally? I'm too lazy to catch the rep jump from 3000 rep to 10000 rep for the next moderation privilege. Also, can't answer more advanced questions, but sad to see new questions...
 
Zoe
As for activity in high-rep users, keep in mind there was/is a bit of a mess that pushes people away
 
true that.
 
what pushed me away initially, from my initial phase of answering all teh questions, is i ran out of non-dupe questions to answer. and that was 5-6 years ago
 
2:09 PM
@AndrewT. took me like 5 years to get to 10.000, others seem to reach that within a few months.
 
we still see mostly repeats of all those questions in those tags.
i did it mostly for learning... which stopped when there were no new challenging questions to answer
 
While I know 10k rep is where the fun (and more misery) start...
 
Zoe
I started answering for the learning in it too. It's not really that challenging questions stopped appearing, but rather that they appear far apart, and there's a whooooole lot of trash being posted between them
 
I did a stroll through the edits queue this morning, and I was saddened by the amount of people who plainly don't know how to code, or where to begin formulating their problem or whats needed to make it into an acceptable question. Had to leave the edit queue to cast a few close votes even.
3
Did anything happen to that mentor project? or was it shelved?
 
Zoe
Like many of the other potentially useful additions to the site, it was shut down
 
2:13 PM
there was a post about it, iirc it was somewhat successful, but would never scale
 
mhh
 
@Tschallacka Congratulations. You are now a curator. Welcome to the club
 
173
Q: Mentorship Research Project - Results + Wrap-Up

kristinalustigCheck out SO Podcast 117 to hear Kristina talk about the mentorship experiment. First, if you haven’t read the original announcement post about the Stack Overflow Mentorship Research Project, you should go and do that now. If you don’t, the rest of this probably won’t make a ton of sense. From ...

 
wait what?
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
2:20 PM
Heh, found this thesis when looking for the wrapup. denaeford.me/publications/ThesisProposal-document.pdf
Both an interesting read
 
I find it interesting that they were actually able to get 65 mentors
i wonder what variation there was among the mentor's participation
 
2:38 PM
@Zoe What does C-W mean?
 
@Scratte Ctrl-W
also represented as ^W
 
Ok.. never tried that. What does it do? :)
 
It's a popular thing to trick other players to perform in browser based multiplayer games
 
0
Q: Not able to execute Cucumber feature file using testng.xml

RAGHUNATHI am having 2 feature files and i want to execute parallely through testng. If i execute mvn test it shows Build Success but it doesn't execute Test cases. Could anybody helpout on this? Please find below my structure. TestNG.xml: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE suite SYSTEM "htt...

 
"W" for "Win!"
 
2:43 PM
Anybody helpout on this?
 
@ElectionBot offtopic 5416572
 
@RAGHUNATH Is this about the moderator election?
 
@ElectionBot 5416572 offtopic
 
no. What is moderator election?
 
hmmh
You clicked somewhere to get here
did you read that page? It explains what th election is about :-)
 
2:44 PM
the invitation to chat in the sidebar most likely
 
@RAGHUNATH Go here :)
 
ok ok
bye
 
@KevinB I don't see it on main. Only on meta
 
it comes up every now and then
shows active rooms, of which this is one
 
@AndrewT. Nice.. Tried it on a different browser :D I did win, it was a link from a spam post.
 
2:55 PM
is it worth to rename the room to "SO Moderator Election (2020)"...
 
Why?
 
the name and the description is cut on the main chat page
 
deny, no improvement whatsoever. Also it adds confusion for those users that don't realize that SO stands for Stack Overflow.
 
2020 Moderator Election for Stack Overflow chat ?
 
2:58 PM
That's a mouthful
 
and the current title isn't?
 
room topic changed to 2020 Moderator Election Chat: Open discussion for the Stack Overflow election stackoverflow.com/election/12 (no tags)
3
most users visit this room via the links on the election page itself anyway, not via chat room listing
 
Well, if that's the case...
 
I like cute fluffy beings that likes things
 
3:04 PM
I didn't even find the link and came from the room listing after reading about the chat bot :/
 
@E_net4supportsourcandidates i.imgur.com/3KfilMe.gif ?
 
Oh, just found it
 
@Tschallacka please don't post adult links, you could get banned
 
how is that adult?
 
@Tschallacka I was just about to say: Do not go into the trap :D
 
3:06 PM
na, that's young links, but if you posted an adult link, you could get in trouble
 
oh lol
 
@gunr2171 I see you're learning to escape from meetings more these days :)
 
I think link might have ash ketchum syndrome... I can't find a single adult link. Do they all die young?
 
one last try, should work now
@ElectionBot offtopic 49907200
 
@SamuelLiew This room is for discussion about the election. Please try to keep this room on-topic. Thank you!
 
3:09 PM
@gunr2171 That joke was wildly under-appreciated
 
:( yeah
 
I must admit it did go over my head at first.
I'm not a smart man
 
Zoe
@Scratte Ctrl-W in Vim notation
 
@ElectionBot 1356107 offtopic
@ElectionBot offtopic 1356107
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot offtopic 49907225
 
3:12 PM
@Tschallacka This room is for discussion about the election. Please try to keep this room on-topic. Thank you!
 
heh, @SamuelLiew doesn't work for everyone. is it user limited?
oh
 
Zoe
It's message IDs, not user IDs
 
ahhh
that's even more work xD
but ok, good to know
maybe add that in the help?
4 hours to go
Any wild nominations need to hurry up to arrive so we can have a fancy primary
 
@Tschallacka Ouch. When people mention me, it sounds like I support sour candidates. Better change it now.
 
Zoe
2 hours ago, by Zoe
the ship has kinda sailed tho
 
3:16 PM
there are some questions that were asked 5-6 years ago. A lot of technologies have changed till now. These questions have to be asked again. But most moderators mark them as duplicates. For example: this question stackoverflow.com/questions/4274218/…
 
Zoe
That question has never been closed
 
@MuhammadAshfaq Nothing stops anyone from adding a new updated answer to the question.
 
Why should they be asked again if they have already been asked in the past?
 
That updated answer will gather its own upvotes and rise to the top over time.
 
this question was asked, at that time there was only KD tree for nearest neighbor approach. Now there are HNSW, FAISS, and other algorithms. That's why, github discussions getting more attention. Whereas, on stackoverflow we get negative rating for asking duplicated question
 
Zoe
3:18 PM
So post an answer
New technologies require new answers, not new questions
 
Don't ask duplicate questions @MuhammadAshfaq Just add a new answer to this question. It will bubble to the top of the frontpage.
 
@MuhammadAshfaq AFAIK Faiss is a library, not an algorithm.
 
We expect potential answerers to post an answer on the target dupe so that the info is not fragmented on many questions...
 
It also helps to downvote outdated stuff (at least I do)
 
Think about it this way @MuhammadAshfaq this question is likely to be found by google. By providing the answer here, a well indexed and linked question, the correct answer is likely to be found by a googling developer
 
3:21 PM
Please, I want to clarify.
I was not referring to answering the question. I was referring to asking the question. For example: the question says: What is the best nearest neighbor algorithm?
All answers refer to KD tree and its variants.
Recent research says KD tree fail on some datasets. Now, I have my data-set, I want to ask question again that what is the best nearest neighbor algorithm NOW for dataset because now there are almost a dozen new algorithms. Hope this clears
 
Then clarify in your question which answers you've researched and why they do not apply to your use case.
 
I understand, it doesn't stop anyone who want to answer your question to post an answer on the target dupe though.
 
Zoe
the last part there is extremely important; if you fail to properly explain why a specific question isn't a duplicate, there's a high chance it'll be closed anyway
 
The way i understand it, the current question/answers does/do apply to your question, but what you want ot know if there's anything new.
right?
 
Changing tech is a big hurdle that we're having to solve. Our current process doesn't support this at all. Posting new answers is good - if the existing question only has a couple of answers, none with more than a few upvotes... or an asker who's actually still around, still working in that tech, and able to confirm that the new answer is correct and replaces an outdated one...
 
3:23 PM
True, but we kinda have a mechanic for that by closing the original as a dupe to the new question + answer that references updated tech
 
"Changing tech is a big hurdle that we're having to solve."
inb4 announcement where SO is changing their website stack from ASP.Net to PHP.
 
only getting that new question out there is hard.
 
I wished SO Documentations had worked better...
 
Zoe
@gunr2171 Could be worse. PHP can at least be run on Linux :')
 
and php has improved vastly since 4.0
if you know how to handle it
 
3:24 PM
@KevinB yes. you got it right. If i comment on old question for asking anything new...No new developer will be notified who is working on latest tech
 
@Tschallacka Asking a new question ... isn't the correct solution, though... it'll be closed as a duplicate unless there's a new site-policy in place that says "If tech changes and an existing question's answers are out of date and the likelihood that a new, correct answer will be visible... ask a new question"... but that's a lot of caveats.
 
I don't think asking another question that requests new, more recent ways to solve an old problem is worth asking, unless the old ways don't solve your problem or you know of a specific technology/technique that could potentially be used to solve it.
 
@Catija at that time asker got answer and he was satisfied. Now the asker is new.
 
in other words
your new question needs to effectively omit the old answers as being possiblities.
 
@MuhammadAshfaq How about you make a start with implementation of a library of your choice, and hten ask with a specific problem. Generally library recommendations are off topic, and the question you referred is from 2010
 
3:26 PM
(forgive me since I'm not a dev but... ) If an answer works only in Python 2 and the solution for Python 3 is different... then that's the time to ask a question for Python 3 specifically, correct? We do this already, yes? We make sure the older question is tagged Python 2 and create an updated version?
 
Be careful though, asking for "the best" without specific criteria will just be closed as primarily opinion-based anyway...
 
If you don't have a reason to believe there may be a new/better solution other than the passage of time... it might not be worth asking.
 
@Catija Often no, we'll add a python 3 answer to the question
 
That seems odd?
And confusing?
 
@Catija I would say yes
 
3:27 PM
depends on the language
 
Zoe
@MuhammadAshfaq So? The second a question has been asked, it kinda belongs to the community. There's a CC-BY-SA license that protects copyright, but just because an asker is satisfied doesn't mean no new answers can be posted. You can even add a bounty and say you want answers matching new technologies
 
Why not create a Python 3 question?
 
since there's a python 3 tag for python-3-specific questions
 
Yeah, usually the questions aren't specific enough, and everyone just posts for various language/runtime versions
 
Because questions aren't tagged python-2.x or python-3.x a lot of the time, just python it's.... inconsistent what happens though
And it depends who you ask
 
3:28 PM
What are we talking about here? :p
 
@Nick True, and Python is one of the tags that Meta (and Python sub community) have discussed a lot about how to handle versions
 
and some language features just remain the same.
 
Which helps, because you can just pick the one which works for you, and you don't have to find the correct version first
 
Some will advocate adding python 3 versions of python 2 answers as an edit
 
@JonClements come save the day with your Python gold badge
 
Zoe
3:29 PM
@JonClements How we're planning to tank the primaries :P
 
@Nick that's just ew all around
 
@JonClements An election for Python versions...
 
@TylerH I didn't say I agreed :p
 
python 2 is far superior
 
@Zoe please, let me clarify again, I am not referring to new answers, I am referring to asking same question in current time
 
Zoe
3:29 PM
Use a bounty
 
@MuhammadAshfaq We don't answer questions for the asker. That's never been our goal. We're here to solve problems so that everyone can benefit from them. This is a common misconception, though! So you are in good company. An asker is asking their version of the question but they are doing so for all the future askers of that question.
As such, great answers answer the specific case while also sharing some insight into the broader solution so that people in similar but non-identical situations can figure out their version of the solution themselves :)
 
@Zoe :(
 
@MuhammadAshfaq the current question would be off topic today. Close > community reason > Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more
 
@JonClements Catija is wondering how best to proceed with a Python 3-specific Q where the solution is different from Python 2: add a P3 answer to the existing P2 question, or ask a separate/new P3 question.
 
eh, no, the current question doesn't ask for the best way to solve anything
 
3:30 PM
so even if it wouldn't be closed as a duplicate it would be closed with that reason.
 
it's very much not an opinion asking question
 
It still is pretty open-ended.
 
I just dropped in. Looks like there is a specific question (already linked?) being discussed here
 
Zoe
@TylerH might as well just add the new answer to the Python 2 question. That's mostly what happens with C++ questions
 
My question is... does this relate to the election?
 
3:32 PM
There's a whole Python room for of Python devs to talk about Python - just saying :)
 
I didn't read up enough to see... :P
 
@Zoe As long as we don't start getting tons of Python questions as review audits...
 
Zoe
I don't think we have a clear policy on version-related issues in general though
 
@JonClements It was an example for a broader situation.
 
@Catija We are just testing the candidates... ;)
 
3:32 PM
... uh... huh...
 
I prefer audits to be C++ and Haskell-related so I have to think less about them :-P
 
Zoe
@Catija Half of the conversations here don't :P
 
Well, I guess me being in here gives away all the "correct" answers, then. :P
@Zoe That's clearly a lie... election bot alone makes up half the messages.
:D
 
i mean, as long as this discussion isn't interrupting election related discussion,
 
3:34 PM
We're ticking down the last hours
 
@Catija I do? I must be important.
 
@AndrewT. that's an actual tag...
 
@ElectionBot You're supposed to be holding all this together!
 
@Catija I'm going for the all knowing Magic 8 Ball... and it says "My sources say no" :p
 
Damn it.
 
3:34 PM
@Catija To be fair, I do love talking about how much I love pizzas with pineapple
 
Pizza hawaii is the best pizza
 
puts anchovies on ElectionBot's pineapple pizza
 
Anyway, the voting phase will start while I'm in the middle of my dream (or nightmare)...
 
when can i vote?
 
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations, as well as read the candidates' answers to your questions to find out more. Don't forget to come back in 4 hours to also vote in the actual election phase!
 
3:35 PM
Yes... tinned pineapple and Canadian bacon are a great way to scream "Hawaii!"
 
ugh... I was hoping we didn't have to suspend EB before the election started but well... it's completely gone insane and it's for its own good... :p
 
The next phase is the election at 2020-07-13 20:00:00Z (in 4 hours).
@Machavity Oi! Don't touch my pizza >:c
 
Apparently ElectionBot is British today.
 
oi is portuguese for hi
 
Zoe
"oi" is what norwegians say when we bump into each other by accident :p
 
3:37 PM
We've just had a last minute entry on the Expats election. Things are heating up!
 
@Zoe Yeah, you stole that from us
 
Zoe
No, you stole that from us xd
 
Fun fact: most pineapples come from South America and Asia, not Hawaii
 
@Nick I'd rather go for "olá", "oi" is much more commonly Brazillian.
Yay for digressions.
 
*cough*, This room is for discussion about the election. Please try to keep this room on-topic. Thank you! *cough*
 
3:40 PM
What are the beautiful candidates?
 
🚽
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot pineapple on pizza is very on-topic :P
 
I was in the Dole plantation on hawaii. Sadly the train didn't run because of the bad weather.
 
@Zoe s/on-topic/disgusting :p
 
Zoe
Nah
 
3:50 PM
@Zoe vim? that's some sort of editor, no? :)
 
whispers Emacs...
 
fight fight fight! :)
 
Zoe
it is, yeah. But it has config files written in vimscript. In these, you can customize keymaps, which follows a specific syntax. I keep mixing up when it's case-sensitive and when it's not though ^^" <C-w> means Ctrl-w, <M-w> means meta (alt)-w. There's a whole bunch of mappings for modifiers though
@JonClements Nah, I'm more in the category of people who don't care what editor people use as long as it isn't MS Notepad, and it works for their use :')
 
@Zoe Don't lie to yourself :p you hate the fact that VS even exists
 
Zoe
I still don't get into too many editor wars, and most of those find me :')
 

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