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Zoe
8:00 PM
0 - the election has started!
 
The election's final voting phase is now open. You may now cast your election ballot for your top three preferred candidates. Good luck to all candidates!
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WOOOOO!!!!!
 
Quick: Submit more nominations
 
Turns out I have a nom.md as Gist. It starts with I'm and that is where it ends ...
 
Zoe
get rekt electionbot :P
 
8:00 PM
pops the champagne
 
Zoe beat the bot to the announcement!
 
voting is locked :-(
I want to participate in a primary, darn it!
 
Zoe
Ah, but you see, I was a bot all along! :P
 
Votes: Cast. Best of luck to all candidates, even the ones I didn't vote for. :)
 
@TylerH locked?
 
8:01 PM
@Scratte I was seeing if I could vote on candidates in the primary tab, since it wasn't hidden
 
@Scratte Not unlocked.
 
I've voted. where's my voting pin
 
Anonymous
Can I only submit two candidates, or I have to pick three?
 
kinda feel like the tab/page should be hidden for elections with fewer than 10 candidates
@JonathanRosa you can submit two, or even just one, if you like
 
meh
 
8:01 PM
@AdrianMole I keep my on nGrudge.. ;)
 
you can even not submit any :-)
 
how many times cna you change your vote
 
as many times as you want until the time limit
 
Anonymous
@TylerH people who submit zero still get the "I voted!" badge, breathing gets you it
 
heh, already voted before even getting the notification to vote :D
 
8:04 PM
Really a shame we can't have a link to the questionnaire on the Beta sites' main election page.
 
user12867493
@ouflak Ask a mod to edit it in for you
 
@ElectionBot how to nominate
 
@ouflak I think that's done by a mod or CM. Have you reached out to them?
 
Hmmm....
 
For all the automation they've built in, there's still several steps that are manual
 
8:05 PM
I've updated the page 5 times and the upside down python nominee seems to keep being the top one.
 
@ElectionBot help
 
by-design
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- how does the election work
- who are the candidates
- how to nominate
- how to vote
- how to decide who to vote for
- who are the current mods
- are moderators paid
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting
- when is the election ending
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are moderation badges
- what are participation badges
- what are editing badges
 
@Scratte Because reasons
 
Ooh.. just realized mods can edit /election pages
 
8:08 PM
Yes, I just saw that. But I wouldn't try that stunt myself...
We can also edit/delete comments before the nomination phase.
And we can't edit candidate nominations to add funny stuff
 
@JonathanRosa just checked; my screens are LED-backed LCD panels with IPS tech, but no OLED, sadly.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Details I'm sure you've learned through exhaustive testing :-)
 
haha no, I don't want to create another spare mod position
I deleted a couple of comments though. Those were mine.
 
Is it because there is too few candidates that there is no primary and that the Election itself is open right away?
 
exactly
It's going to be 8 looooong dayyyys
 
Zoe
8?
Isn't it 7?
when does the election end?
 
8:12 PM
The election ends at 2020-07-21 20:00:00Z (in 7 days).
 
Zoe
That's 8 days, not 7 xd
 
@ElectionBot alive
 
@MarioGalic I'm here, aren't I?
 
I have a question about how to deal with the problem of getting our correct answer downvoted or if the doesn't wants to loose the rep he/she can go to your profile and downvote your question.What to do in this case because i see some people purposely
 
- who are the current mods
 
8:14 PM
The current 21 moderators are: Martijn Pieters, BoltClock, deceze, Bohemian, Aaron Hall, Cody Gray, meagar, Ry-, Michael Myers, Brad Larson, ChrisF, Jean-François Fabre, Jon Clements, Flexo, Samuel Liew, Baum mit Augen, josliber, Andy, Bhargav Rao, Undo, Rob
 
do these kind of things
 
Where is the bot getting those data? The election page is correct:
nomination period began
Jul 6 at 20:00
election began
13 mins ago
election ends
in 8 days
 
The bot truncates fractional days.
 
Zoe
@Lucifer If it doesn't get reverted within 24 hours, raise a mod flag
@β.εηοιτ.βε blame @Sam :P
 
- how to decide who to vote for
 
8:16 PM
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@ElectionBot - how to discreetly solicit bribes from the candidates?
 
@Zoe Yes i do but no one looks after most of the flags. Infact once one of the mods downvoted both the answer and question after raising the flag.
 
@DavidW Don't tell anyone, but I think they accept election votes as bribes.
 
Please be patient, SO gets like... what, 2000 flags daily?
 
No, I want the bribe and in exchange they get the votes
 
8:18 PM
@ElectionBot Silly bot, they asked how to get bribes, not what bribes they accept to not be moderated against
 
@Lucifer how did you know that it's the mod who downvoted the Q&A?
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can cast your ballot in order of preference on up to three candidates in the election. If you want to make an informed decision, you can also read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A.
 
Zoe
@Lucifer They do see it, regular users can't see your flags, and you have no proof of who downvoted. Votes are private - correlation != causation
 
@ElectionBot - who will you vote for?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
@MarioGalic That would be telling.
 
8:20 PM
lol
 
@Lucifer Though, perhaps the Q&A is very low quality and shouldn't be answered in the first place...
 
Is that one of Makyen's bots running?
Oh, Samuel's.
 
@ElectionBot - who should I not vote for?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@ElectionBot about
 
8:21 PM
@Nick I'm ElectionBot and I handle queries for commonly-asked questions in an election chat room. For more info, see so-user.com/10555677?tab=profile
 
^ Mast
 
Why has the order of the candidates changed?
 
@Nick It's in the user profile of the bot, but thank you :-)
 
Anonymous
@akuzminykh it's "random"
 
Randomisation - Prevents any perceived favouritism.
 
8:22 PM
They're randomised every time you load the page in the election IIRC, they remain in order in the nominations
@AdrianMole Guess who was randomly sorted to the bottom of the pile for me :p
 
The one you voted first for?
 
@Nick Ahh, okay.
Daaaamn, 3 choices.
 
@ElectionBot - which candidate is most active?
 
@akuzminykh it's up to 3, you don't have to use all
 
Anonymous
@akuzminykh You can also do two, or one, or none at all.
 
8:25 PM
Okay, all my choices have a "M"/"m" in their name. ;)
 
pkm
@Travis seems to be a good choice.
 
How many moderators will be elected?
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can cast your ballot in order of preference on up to three candidates in the election. If you want to make an informed decision, you can also read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A.
 
As someone fairly new to all this, I'm trying to understand what the role of a moderator actually is. Are they able to influence the direction the company goes in by stating user demands, or are they simply there to enforce the rules?
 
the latter mostly
 
pkm
8:27 PM
yes, the latter mostly.
 
@akuzminykh Each of my choices has one or more letters in their name.
 
- how is candidate score calculated
 
@AdrianMole yikes
 
@AdrianMole Nah, the one at the bottom of the list of who I'd vote for ^^
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
Zoe
8:30 PM
@AdrianMole All my candidates exist
 
@MarioGalic 2
 
@ElectionBot meh, I just take a guess
 
pkm
pretty tough choices.
 
@Zoe All my candidates ... are candidates. :)
 
@Zoe Or, at least, you think they exist.
 
Zoe
8:32 PM
Tbf, I'm not sure I exist :P
 
@AdrianMole You're in the matrix.. and none of this is real?
 
Existence is just speculation in crystallized form.
 
 
This year's pool is pretty light. That's a little depressing.
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Everyone knows Jon is a dog
 
Anonymous
8:34 PM
a dog I am not
 
how many ppl were there last year?
 
Zoe
Enough to trigger primaries
 
It was a deeper pool with a lot more longer-time users with higher reps and more experience. Not knocking the current pool, but it's very different this year than in years past.
I think the kerfluffles have scared and annoyed a lot of ppl off.
 
@akuzminykh 11 in nomination.
 
still plenty of people to hesitate on
 
8:35 PM
Is that because less applied?
 
Note this is the 12th. The previous one is the 11th. You can go back in time by simply decrementing the number in your URL header bar thingy
 
3 ez choices
 
Zoe
Everyone knows I'm not a fox :eyes:
 
This is my 7th Constituent badge.
On SO alone.
 
Surprised the candidates aren't on here kissing babies trying to drum up votes.
 
8:38 PM
2018 had 14 candidates.
 
i mean
such behavior might dissuade votes too
 
2015 had 19.
So, yea, the pool is a bit thin this time.
 
a lot of the candidates had less rep than i would have expected
 
Travis was already running for moderator back then.
 
@KevinB It's def. not about rep; it just happens to be one indicator of longevity and helpfulness (Q&A wise--but not the most critical qualification for a mod)
 
8:40 PM
ofc not
i'm not referring to their ability to do the job
 
i think country of origin should be in their manifest
 
Wonder what the lowest rep user to be elected ever was.
 
@Joseph It's in their profile for most, would be redundant.
 
Gimme babies to kiss :p
 
@Joseph, On Expats, that might be list.
 
8:45 PM
just more of a, curiosity. people i see around all the time, as long as i've been around, only with a fraction of it. I just spent a lot more time early on in my time here hunting rep, and that rep just kept climbing due to volume over the years
 
with Ghislaine Maxwell (allegedly) running a chunk of reddit, i dont think we want our leadership kissing too many babies
 
Good luck Dharman!
 
that's... fake you know, right?
 
same, good luck Dharman! I really hope you become a mod.
Is it possible to see who is in the lead during the election process?
 
no, you can't :(
 
8:48 PM
@10Rep I doubt it as that could skew results
 
How would it?
I mean in the us elections, you can see who is in the lead, right?
 
The primary skews results all right.
 
People see who's clearly in the lead and vote for the underdogs
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
due to the way the voting is counted, it'd be... odd
 
8:49 PM
@Tschallacka Yeah thats true
 
most of the time, the first candidates at the primary get the job.
 
@10 Rep, Only after the polls have closed in that state. Ofcourse others still voting in other states can see the other results....
 
Whom should i vote
 
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Is being a moderator so time consuming that one cannot effectively answer questions anymore?
 
8:51 PM
noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ
@MUFAzmi vote for @noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ
 
@MUFAzmi, Are you an expat?
 
it is as time consuming as you make it
 
I'm going to wait until the last day myself.
 
@MUFAzmi each candidate has a link to a questionaire. Read those and then go by who aligns with your viewpoints
Or just mash buttons
 
I'm hoping to cast the lone final vote that sends things over the edge, once and for all.
 
8:55 PM
@MarioGalic Not necessarily. I answer questions from time to time. However, it gives me more satisfaction to take care of the already existing content. Many mods continuously answer questions and perform their moderator duties.
 
@MarioGalic depends on how they want to, it is expected to give at least 30 minutes daily for moderation.
> if you can't dedicate at least 30 minutes daily to help shoulder the load, please defer to those who can.
 
@MUFAzmi You should vote for the candidate's how in your opinion will be the most perfect fit for responsible caretakers. We need people who are willing to devote some free time from their busy schedules to delete spam, rude posts and handle any flags you might raise.
 
@PeterHaddad IDK, that user didn't post "answers your questions"... Someone posted a gitlab link, but we're supposed to have the content here and not have to go offsite...
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Zoe
noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ would not be a good mod
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@MarioGalic The commitment of time that's asked from moderators is a minimum of 30 minutes/day doing moderator tasks (largely handling flags). That works out to more than a work-month per year. So, yes, it's a lot of time. If it prevents a moderator from answering/asking questions will depend on the moderator and what other things they choose to do, other than moderate, or if they choose to spend even more time than the minimum request doing moderator tasks.
 
8:59 PM
meh
 
Even if noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ won... probably will be removed with the new process...
 
I'm on SO almost every working day for quite some time. 30 minutes spread over the day is relatively easy to accomplish. In weekends would be tougher though. But doable
 
Visited 1168 days, 771 consecutive
 
i take the weekends off
 
Has the process for removing moderators gotten a lot easier now?
 
9:03 PM
eh, no, it's gotten harder, as now there's a process
 
@KevinB But they can be immediately removed from service pending investigation
 
Are candidates usually voting for themselves?
 
@Tschallacka My hope is that everyone who nominated themselves considered how much time it would be and nominated knowing that they were willing and able to put in at least the minimum amount of time.
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Well, obviously we (or I) have to assume good faith and see the real outcome...
 
@AndrewT. If they won, they could be a good mod using this stratgey to get elected, then show their ability.
 
9:08 PM
@Dharman depends on if they want to win :) I didn't vote for myself on one election because there were better candidates than me, but I did vote for myself the next election because I felt I have to
 
@Makyen The minimum time is easy to get, depending on the days I may go over it. I however don't see it as a fulltime job, and will make sure I can keep up a consistent effort in stead of a short but intense burst.
 
As moderators aren't you worried about "occupational hazards" due to the nature of the internet? Do you get any extra protections?
 
Zoe
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@MarioGalic What protections? I am not scared of the internet.
 
well, death threat happened...
 
Zoe
9:11 PM
I mean, that constantly happens to someone, somewhere on the planet
 
@Tschallacka I think I won't be able to spend even 10 minutes doing "moderator work" :P. (sorry if bad English)
 
@Tschallacka Sounds good. I wasn't attempting to imply that you, or anyone, wouldn't do so. I was primarily responding to a question by someone else which implied they didn't really understanding how much time being a moderator is expected to take. I agree, it's not a full-time job. OTOH, it's not a trivial commitment. It's in the range where I hope people have looked at their personal situation and understood that there will be an impact, at least to an extent.
 
@MarioGalic I have no worries. The internet is full of people out for blood. One has to learn to ignore those. In the past I've founded communities and have had them infected by people trying to undermine me and chase me all over the net, ever contacting employers. You learn to shrug it off.
@galaxy001 Sure you can. 10 minutes at the start of the day, 10 minutes around luch, 10 minutes late afternoon. Time flies :-)
 
add another 10 min each day and you're weekends are mostly covered
 
@ArtOfCode Is your election page still working?
 
9:22 PM
Pathetic # of candidates, yet still more good ones than I have votes. Good on y'all!
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@Tschallacka I can imagine somebody doing it 30min/day. I'm just too lazy for such work :P. I would rather make/play games :).
 
See moderating as the break during your workday.
 
Hi ! I have a question to all of the candidates (if someone would like to answer). Although, I've casted my votes but one thing i noticed about all of the candidates that they all are kinda aggressive. By that i mean everyone is saying "I've closed this many questions, i've flagged that many and i'll do this and that".. None of you guys showed a lil humbleness or i would say supportive attitude for new comers....
 
When SO/SE is my games...
 
@galaxy001 i feel you. My hobby is making mods for minecraft
 
9:24 PM
@RaoHammasHussain There isn't much room in nominations for anything beyond the bare essentials. They're limited to only a few characters.
Also... humility has never won elections for anyone
 
worked for me :)
 
@RaoHammasHussain Ehh... Do I come over as agressive? Totally not my intention.
 
closing questions is not aggressive. Leaving bad questions open is.
 
@Shog9 :/
 
😁
 
9:27 PM
@RaoHammasHussain Closing questions is showing that we care about this site. Actually, any moderation action any of us performs means we care. When we close questions the asker can see what is wrong with it and should be able to fix it. The blue banner is meant to let them know what needs to be fixed and how can they do it. Moderator's try to educate new users as much as they can, but that is not really their purpose. Every one of us can help new users get aquatinted with how this site works.
 
the boss dropped by...
 
@Tschallacka not specifically you.
 
@RaoHammasHussain Well, if I downvote and close a question while giving a comment to help fixing the question, am I supportive to newcomers?
 
@Shog9 I even had a new version of PrimaryMonitor to test out :(
 
Maybe on Math? They just started question collection today, @Undo I can let you know if you're interested?
 
9:28 PM
@RaoHammasHussain I would like to return the question: what do you think moderators should do to make new users feel more welcome and why do you think only they can do it?
@Catija Do you vote, too?
 
@Dharman I can't. :)
 
@Catija Might be big enough to be interesting
I'll watch it
 
:D
 
@RaoHammasHussain What I am waiting to see in a nomination:
 
I love it how the "primary" tab works but votes are locked at 0. It was perfectly straightforward after five minutes of confusion that there is no primary.
 
9:30 PM
Eh, I'm pretty sure a non-insignificant number of people were hoping that @Shog9 would nominate. :P
 
@Dharman yeah what i think is. closing question is not a big deal. But the thing that i personally noted was ..questions are closed and downvoted without enough support and help or info to OP....mostly people downvote without giving a comment. idk why ..
 
Whoo-oop! I'm the old original iron-jawed, brass-mounted, copper-bellied corpse-maker from the wilds of Arkansaw!—Look at me! I'm the man they call Sudden Death and General Desolation!
 
@AndrasDeak Why would you click on that tab? :D If you click on the election in the sidebar, it takes you to the correct tab.
 
@Shog9 voted
 
> Sired by a hurricane, dam'd by an earthquake, half-brother to the cholera, nearly related to the small-pox on the mother's side! Look at me! I take nineteen alligators and a bar'l of whiskey for breakfast when I'm in robust health, and a bushel of rattlesnakes and a dead body when I'm ailing
> ! I split the everlasting rocks with my glance, and I squench the thunder when I speak! Whoo-oop! Stand back and give me room according to my strength! Blood's my natural drink, and the wails of the dying is music to my ear! Cast your eye on me, gentlemen!—and lay low and hold your breath, for I'm bout to turn myself loose!
 
9:31 PM
@Catija I already had ?tab=nomination open...
 
Long quotes on mobile are a pain
 
@Shog9 "Arkansaw" - Wait a second, you have Arkansaw and Arkansas and they're pronounced the same?!
 
@RaoHammasHussain Why do you think a comment is needed? Maybe you should post a feature request on meta to make the blue banners contain more information or be more friendly if you think they are not working.
@Shog9 I do not sound like that
 
@Tschallacka Yeah, modding minecraft is fun... playing too :P.
 
@Nick We have "Kansas" and "Arkansas" and they sound different, despite the leading syllable.
 
9:33 PM
@RaoHammasHussain part of the reason: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436
 
I was aware of that, but I didn't now Arkansaw existed on top of that xd
 
@Catija like Angels and Arkangels
 
@Nick They even have a law mandating the saw pronunciation
 
@Nick ... it doesn't?
I'm clearly missing sarcasm here, per usual.
 
No, it does exist, it's in WI
 
9:35 PM
I hear Arkansaw and I think Chugabug
 
Zoe
playing factorio is more fun
 
@Nick :/
... "Census-designated"... wow.
 
You Americans with your funny named things :p
 
@Dharman i think by downvoting without giving a comment is rude. Like at first you are not helping op and on that you are downvoting OP's question . wao
 
@RaoHammasHussain do you know what's rude? What 25% of people do when you leave a comment with a downvote.
 
9:36 PM
Hi, all, question to all moderators:
As engineers, we rely on models and information. People who have incomplete models and missing information of things have unknown unknowns.

Many times, personally in my experience, in colleagues, friends and many others who posted questions on Stack Overflow, I've seen questions being closed as being duplicate, without information that can lead to a solution, or off-topic, without information that can lead to a solution (either in the comments or in the question(s) the original posts were tagged as duplicates of).
 
@GalGrünfeld that doesn't strike me as a moderator-related problem
 
@AndrasDeak Is that an evidence-based number? (honest question)
 
@AndrasDeak Why does it not strike you as a moderator-related problem? I can explain why I think it is.
 
@RaoHammasHussain Votes are only a measure of how useful you think the post is to you. This has nothing to do with helping the asker. If you want to help them, you can, but please remember that this site is not a help portal. We want to maintain a high-quality repository to common programming problems. If you think the question will not help other people in the future you can downvote.
 
@RaoHammasHussain I'm always trying to write a comment when I think the OP himself tried to write a nice question. If the question is just a dump and you can tell than the OP doesn't give a f, I just downvote and bb.
 
9:38 PM
@Catija No, but close estimate
 
@RaoHammasHussain But I share your opinion. I also think that too many people are autodownvoting stuff. That's not healthy.
 
@GalGrünfeld It's not really the job for moderator (with diamonds on the username), and probably SO is not the correct site for their current issues
 
@akuzminykh exactly what i saw is immediate downvoting ..and that's wrong (according to my opinion)
 
immediate upvoting on blatant off-topic questions is also wrong...
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@Catija I can't for the life of me find the name of the law that says that 90% of statistics on the internet are made up... :P
 
9:41 PM
@GalGrünfeld I am not sure how to answer that. That does not look like anything I read about moderators duties here: stackoverflow.com/help/site-moderators
 
but no, I'm not the kind of person who counts stuff like this
 
@AndrewT. thanks for the link.. but i disagree with the accepted response on that question.
 
@AndrasDeak It's 73.6%.
 
@AndrasDeak I see your point. Only 25% will edit their answer.
 
@GalGrünfeld Usually when flagged as dupe - it's in the good belief that OP should be able to click, read, and understand the problem. Happens sometimes a dupe is slightly different - still OP should be able to follow-up. If not, there's that other answerer where he OP can eventually post a comment.
Usually when we notice that some existent answers might be hard for OP to understand (you can deduce that by the way the question is formatted) - we try to post + close. (Not the best in regards of Quality - but fair towards the OP)
 
9:42 PM
@Catija or 80%. Goes to prove the point ;)
 
@RaoHammasHussain you're free to disagree, but that's the voice of the community who have seen the worst on the site
 
@Catija someone offered me 30 beer-of-the-month subscriptions. Tempters!
 
@RaoHammasHussain I don't think moderators should do anything special about how people vote. I tried to encourage more downvotes in the past because I think people see downvotes as a bad thing. I would like to change the perception, but I can't do it myself alone. We need more downvotes. They are extremely useful to rate the content.
 
@Shog9 Best I can do is pickles. The beer sounds like a better offer.
 
@Shog9 does that apply to 30 beers in 1 month or 1 beer across 30 months?
 
9:45 PM
Mmm... 30 beers
 
@Dharman as i said downvoting is not the problem but only downvoting and not saying a word is a lil problem.
 
@ElectionBot how do I vote?
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can cast your ballot in order of preference on up to three candidates in the election. If you want to make an informed decision, you can also read the candidates' answers in the election Q & A.
 
@Shog9 reminds me of the ancient IRC exit message, "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case: coincidence?"
 
@RaoHammasHussain Why is that a problem? You can upvote without posting a comment, so you should be able to downvote without a comment.
 
9:47 PM
never seen that, but probably I was late to IRC
 
@GalGrünfeld that's what i'm tryna say here. and that's exactly ive observed. @Dharman
 
@Dharman actually, we should make comments mandatory with upvotes :P
 
@AndrasDeak No, just a relic of the Sumerian/Egyptian culture.
 
I've seen many cases where that's not it. I do not have statistics about that, however.

And when I say cases I'm referring to the lack of "there is/are thing(s) A [,B, C, ... ] that is/are related to your question in the following manner <explanation>. Someone already asked about A [, B, C, ...] here: <link-to-duplicate-question>.

It is assumed by readers here that posters on SE know what they're asking about. However, if there's no work being done to check what information the OP knows, and many in some cases ignoring information provided about how much a person knows on a topic - e.g I'
 
user3956566
@Shog9 !!! Hello!! :D
 
9:48 PM
@Yvette 👋
 
@AndrewT. well there were probably some IRC clients that had some such messages on rotation. Either that or there was a popular set of such messages that was circling on IRC.
 
user3956566
@Shog9 no words, but it's good to see you xoxoxoxox
 
@GalGrünfeld It would be nice if the person who closed the question also helped the OP understand it. You can use comments to help even when a question is closed or you can invite them to chat
 
@Yvette Hi! Thank you for coming. :)
 
user3956566
@GalGrünfeld thank you for thanking me :)
 
9:49 PM
@Dharman Many times it is not done, as I mentioned.
 
@Dharman what i think , for downvoting we should justify it (because we are discouraging someone, underestimating their problem or might be their emotions ). by upvoting it doesn't matter.
 
user3956566
@Dharman it can become exhausting when people close a lot of questions. That's why we have close reasons with links
 
@RaoHammasHussain you haven't seen pity upvotes, it's detrimental to the site ;)
 
@Yvette Did you come just now? I thought you came just now (I came just a few minutes ago).
 
@Dharman or you can just follow questions and see the confused comments. That can weed out a bunch of true negatives where OP is either gone or happy with the outcome
 
user3956566
9:51 PM
@GalGrünfeld yes, just now. I saw Shog and jumped into the chat
 
@RaoHammasHussain Imagine you go to a cinema to see a brand new movie and they don't let you out of the cinema if you don't tell the director why you didn't like the movie. Would you think this is a good idea?
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"Well it's David Lynch, what was I even thinking?!"
 
@Dharman LOL amazing ♪
 
Ah, welcome indeed, then. :)

I posted a question on an issue to moderators above. I'd appreciate your answer on it.
It's not possible to quote your own messages here, right? I'm not seeing such an option.
 
@AndrewT. you are right but as i said in case of upvote it doesn't matter. because how many upvotes a useless question can get ?
 
9:52 PM
@GalGrünfeld Technically it is possible, but the button is not shown
 
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@GalGrünfeld yes, you can copy the link and paste it. Let me have a look
 
@RaoHammasHussain Unfortunately, I've seen many...
 
@Dharman the analogy you gave about movies and directors doesn't make sense.
 
@RaoHammasHussain No, you should stop getting discouraged by downvotes. Do you get emotional and discouraged every time you see a compiler error?
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... that prevents the unsalvageable questions from being automatically pruned by roomba
 
9:53 PM
@Dharman @Yvette Ah, cool
And thanks, Dharman. In my case it's a question to moderators. Would that count as an administrative issue?
 
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17 mins ago, by Gal Grünfeld
Hi, all, question to all moderators:
As engineers, we rely on models and information. People who have incomplete models and missing information of things have unknown unknowns.

Many times, personally in my experience, in colleagues, friends and many others who posted questions on Stack Overflow, I've seen questions being closed as being duplicate, without information that can lead to a solution, or off-topic, without information that can lead to a solution (either in the comments or in the question(s) the original posts were tagged as duplicates of).
 
@RaoHammasHussain People who ask questions contribute to the site by presenting a new interesting problem to which we then try to find a solution. If we think the idea is old or not interesting we downvote. There is no reason to justify our opinions to the person who posted it. They can try to find a new idea and try that to see if it will become popular.
 
@Dharman well if i went there with my will and i've reason to dislike that move then what's wrong telling that reason ?
 
@Yvette Awesome, thanks!
 
Cheers @Yvette
How's it going?
 
9:55 PM
@CodyGray when i get compilers error even a thousand times i don't get blocked by IDE to again trying ....i hope you got the point ?
 
@RaoHammasHussain Nothing. No one is stopping you from saying what you dislike about a question. You can post a comment every time you vote if you want. Just don't force everyone to do the same.
 
@GalGrünfeld Do you mean actually quote, or reply-to? It's possible to do both. Quotes can be done with either > <text> or > <URL to message>. Replying to your own message can be done by finding the message number from the permanent link and using the format :<message number> <reply text>.
 
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@GalGrünfeld I have a comprehensive list of autocomments that I add to and refine. I don't close or delete a post that doesn't have a comment on it. There was research that any interaction with a new user makes the user more likely to post again on the site. On Pets we have a rule, not to delete anything without a comment, so the user understands why it is being deleted.
 
@CodyGray I did get emotional when debugging Dependency Injection using Dagger ._.
 
@Dharman @RaoHammasHussain Downvotes are especially discouraging for newbies on the site who don't even know how the site works. However, leaving them a comment of what they did right or wrong enables them to make adequate edits to their questions and overall helps increase question quality across the site.
 
9:56 PM
@RaoHammasHussain I think many of the posters whose question/answers I've downvoted without comments would feel a lot sadder had I commented what I really felt about their post.
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@Makyen I meant to reply, in this case, to tag someone else to notice it. Thanks for the info. :)
 
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@BaummitAugen helloo eyes!! Long time no see (punny) How are you?
 
I mostly comment when I feel an answer is so misleading that it might cause damage if someone read it and took it seriously.
 
@ByteMe You can always point them to [tour] and [help]. I really believe that a lot of problems with newbies comes from their wrong expectations. They ask questions instead of reading existing ones. No surprise they get discouraged if they treat the site as a personal problem solver. We should try to teach new users about what the site's purpose is.
 
@rici thanks for accepting ...that's the thing !
 
9:58 PM
@Yvette All good. Just back from a long break. How's life?
 
@ByteMe that's what im saying..
 
@Yvette When a question is closed (without comment) doesn't SO provide by default some useful links for OP to follow?
 
@GalGrünfeld You can also combine them. For example, you can reply to someone's message with a quote of yet another message, or with a onebox of the other message.
 
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@BaummitAugen really good, have a lot of good changes in our lives... :p
 
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@RokoC.Buljan in the close reason, there should be links.
 
9:59 PM
Glad to hear that.
 
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yep same
 
Hi everyone else, too, of course. ;)
 
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My family is well
 
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that's the most important thing hey
 
That's the most important thing
 
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9:59 PM
aye
 
Ah, too slow. =D
 
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it's made a massive difference to all our stress levels
 
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great minds and all that ;)
 

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