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Q: YouTube comments to stackexchange pipeline

Jamie AlizadehIt could be really useful to have a web browser extension that users could automatically submit questions to stackexchange from the YouTube comments section. For instance, if I'm watching a video on Shakespeare I could comment "[stack] Why doesn't Iago feel respected by Othello?" and if I had the...

^ sigh
 
2:51 AM
I've done my reasoning in the comment. (inb4 please answer in the answer box below)
 
 
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6:46 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I really dislike that FR. And not only for the reasons already expressed in comments there. It's not at all thought-out - how exactly would the "YT comment integration" know where to even put that question? How does [stack] Why doesn't Iago feel respected by Othello? go to the right stack? Moreover, OP says it should go to English.SE whereas the correct one is Literature.SE.
 
I'm not entirely certain that's not a joke feature proposal.
If the poster didn't have an established account I'd assume it was, at least given YouTube comments' historical reputation.
I suppose it's better these days.
 
The trouble is that it's entirely possible it's real. And maybe even if that user meant it as a joke somebody else wouldn't have.
@RyanM Judging by myself - maybe it's better. I do some times scroll down to the comment section as of recent years. Rarely is there anything really useful, however at least it doesn't make me regret that decision almost immediately.
With that said, I do rarely look at comments. It might be that I've not really seen some more of the worse comments.
 
I think these days they're more just humor and other low-content stuff than actively toxic.
 
Yes, and the humour is rarely very good.
Occasionally, I find some actually useful information, too. But it's actually quite rare.
 
I definitely appreciate that comment moderation here includes removal of noisy and outdated comments...avoids a lot of otherwise tricky judgement calls.
"Did it cross a line? ehhhhhh...... Is it providing useful information that should remain visible? Nope! Delete."
With the occasional exception to "noisy" for exceptionally funny jokes that are not rude.
 
 
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8:56 AM
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Q: How can I remove the questions limit each week?

dorstern3Each week can only ask one question and after that I am blocked for a week, even though I have improved my questions and I ask properly, to whom do I turn to lower the block? I'm getting this message: You have reached your question limit It looks like you might need a break - take a breather and ...

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Q: Deleting a post gives back all your reputation which was taken by downvotes

Archit GargiI recently got access to the review queues. I was reviewing the first question and answers of people on it and I noticed at least 7/10 posts did not meet the stack overflow code of conduct or guidelines. Can't there be some way stack overflow can force people to read these rules and ask questions...

 
9:56 AM
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Q: What to do in certain situation in "first Answer" review queue?

Archit GargiWhat to do if I find an answer which is good quality but I am not sure whether it answers the question correctly or not. Should I use "Looks Ok" or Skip it?

 
10:19 AM
@VLAZ oh, you know, the usual - magic. I also heard there is something-something AI /s
@VLAZ well, I certainly did not consider it a joke...
 
We just need a new site: Sorting.SE. All questions are put there, then volunteers sort them out and migrate them to appropriate stacks.
And in the process, the volunteers also add appropriate tags and expand the barely a title into an actual question.
 
And it will be the only site with question audits! Failing a couple results in a suspesion on the site
 
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Q: Editing using the review queues doesn't show Suggested editing queue is full

Archit GargiI found a bug in the review queues. When I edit an answer in the review queue, it lets me access the editor but when I click on "Save edits", it shows the Suggested edits queue is full. Why do they let us access the editor in the first place if it is full? This only happens when someone had alrea...

 
looks like someone is doing meta hard today...
 
Kids, don't try Meta at home.
 
10:38 AM
Full Meta Jacket
 
10:56 AM
"Any advance in [duplicate] search technology and automatized duplicate detection would be highly welcome there." - we all agree with you on that one, and that is on the roadmap as well, though it will be a separate initiative with its own timeline (and own staffing requirements). — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 58 secs ago
^ speaking of the roadmap, where is it?
 
We need a roadmap for the roadmap.
More seriously: wasn't Anita posting these before?
 
and a roadmap for that too, of course
 
11:26 AM
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Q: What to do in Triage when I ran out of flags?

Archit GargiI was reviewing the "triage" review queue and I ran out of flags. Hence it blocked all the 3 things I can do in the triage queue. Now I found a question which needs an author edit. But without flags left how can I notify that it needs to be edited?

 
@NewPosts eh, is there a badge "most meta posts a day" now?
 
11:45 AM
"Going Full Meta" badge
 
heh, yeah, 4th post in a day is a bit too much
the engagement is fun, though :)
 
12:06 PM
^ welp, that's a nice-looking block
 
1:02 PM
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Q: Take the 2022 Developer Survey

David GibsonThe 2022 Developer Survey has opened today! Whether an active member of the Stack Overflow community or not, we encourage everyone who codes to participate and make their voice heard. The survey will be open until June 1, 2022. Take the 2022 Developer Survey here! Thanks in advance for your time,...

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Q: Why am I suddenly seeing 'stackoverflow' from 10+ years in the past?

video.babaI've came for a browse round as usual. However, my default [vb.net] feed is showing me a completely different set of results to that it normally does. I'm seeing very old posts with multiple answers.... Has something happened or changed? Have the Gremlins gained access to my PC?

 
@NewPosts oh, the dread is building up
 
Started the survey. First impression - for learning, videos don't seem to be a separate category. IIRC, last year they were. Now all online resources (videos, blogs, forums, presumably also SO) are lumped together.
Ah, it's the next question, which asks what online resources were used.
 
1:29 PM
huh, has the demographics section got even creepier, or had it been like that for a while?
still no testing libraries and frameworks
runtimes are still mixed in with "web frameworks"
WASM is still missing
Elm is missing
eh, sorry, this they "fixed" by lumping both Node.js and Deno in "web frameworks"
 
Why do some answers use radio buttons which makes sense but others use checkboxes but you can only choose one at a time which makes them radio buttons?
 
Hmm, probably because then you can untick to remove your answer. But a radio button you cannot?
 
Nginx and HAProxy are still missing (granted, there is an "other" field, but this is insulting given that they are both in SE's own tech stack)
 
Silly Oleg, the survey is given by SE, it's not for SE employees.
Fuck, the worked in past year and want to work is still here.
 
1:41 PM
@VLAZ :) although it's still amuzing to see that appx. half the tech stack of SE's is not included year after year, even if we keep complaining
 
At least npm and Yarn are in the same list.
That list is apparently called "developer tools". And there is barely anything on it.
 
@VLAZ yay, only took, like, 2 years to internalize?
 
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Q: Misalignment between Questions and Answers section on the Activity page

JustinThe Questions section is not aligned with the Answers section: This seems to be the case when the Questions section is on the right side. I'm not sure if this the case when the Answers section is on the right; can anyone confirm? This only seems to be an issue on Stack Overflow, since I don't se...

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Q: Creating an RSS feed from a filter created by my profile to follow up on new questions

Brondby IFIf the correct place for this question is not here, please just let me know where I should do it and I'll delete it! According to this question: Tag feeds do not generate `Newest` questions in Slack I'm trying to reproduce via RSS the answer from this page (I created this url with test filters wi...

 
Why the crypto question?
 
1:57 PM
I cannot comprehend how they thought it was a good idea to group them together
 
...great, I can be a "multiracial biracial multiracial biracial white European". No, I didn't stutter:
 
don't forget the "belonging to an ethnoreligious group"!
 
Decentralization just makes slightly more robust server systems. Crypto eats more power than several entire countries: nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/03/climate/…
 
So, Indian is not Asian?
Also, what is North American?
Because the list also has "white". And does not have Australian.
So, does it mean that North American are non-indigenous (since that's also an option) and likely white?
Yeah, the list also seems to miss "black". So, what exactly is Dr. Dre, then? Also North American? Or African + North American?
Oops, there is "Black". My bad.
Asterisks or marks that indicate there should be a footnote, but aren't matched, give me anxiety.
It's probably the blog post line but it needs an asterisk.
 
2:22 PM
inb4 NFT.SE
 
:vomit:
 
D:
 
@VLAZ shes gone iirc
 
@KevinB That was my point. If Anita was doing those, then maybe nobody else bothered.
 
2:50 PM
@AndrewT. aw hell no
 
web3.se
 
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Q: How to show support for questions when you're new?

Renato FloresI just found myself having this exact same problem: Pods error trying to build Expo managed workflow app on SDK 45 using EAS build Even tough I didn't know how to answer the question (I was going to ask myself), I felt like it was my responsability to show support. You know, just to increase visi...

 
answer them
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I suspect you won't be very receptive to the idea to cryptomine close votes, down votes, and flags. So, I won't mention it.
 
3:08 PM
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Q: Change in link URL in preview when hovering through a link

S. DreI didn't know how to properly explain it in the title. I was in SO, looking a recently published question, and I found out a weird thing and I was hoping you could explain me what's the reasoning behind it. I am pretty sure is not a bug. But just a curiosity I found out and wanted to know more ab...

 
3:20 PM
It all makes sense now! The reason my feature requests aren't popular is because the majority of users (who obviously would support it) are afraid of being downvoted
 
@KevinB sigh, yes, this is a well-known fallacy of claiming there exist a silent majority that is just too scared to speak up
 
why am i answering meta questions...
 
@AndrewT. existential boredom? At least that's partly my motivation...
 
3:37 PM
@AndrewT. Do you find the action futile? Or are you compelled/possessed/not in control of yourself and you don't know why?
 
the latter, i guess :O
 
Step 1: exorcism.
 
I like steps.
 
👣
 
trying to resurrect Paranormal.SE
 
3:45 PM
The YouTube comments to questions FR on MSE has been closed. I disagree with the closure: "This question does not appear to be about the software that powers the Stack Exchange network, within the scope defined in the help center." Yet, at the same time, I don't feel attracted enough to the reopen button.
 
Welp, it attracted 1 upvote, so I guess that's a win for the OP...
 
yet again, the survey doesn't provide an option of indifference for what you work with
you either hate it or love it
 
2 hours ago, by VLAZ
Fuck, the worked in past year and want to work is still here.
 
skip skip skip
screw that
 
Not missing much.
Unless you want to be a multiracial biracial white black African North American towards the end.
 
4:05 PM
> Would you like to participate in the Professional Developer Series?
wtf is the professional developer series
 
4:16 PM
@KevinB well, we do think in binary. I will see myself out
 
@KevinB Dunno. Went with "No", as I think it's the safer option.
It linked to some blog post which was something about developers looking for new positions. I don't really know what exactly was I supposed to read there. Just closed the tab, selected "No".
 
No was my answer regardless of what it's for
 
a tournament kind of series?
 
I think I did not even get that question?
 
I suspect it's more crap short surveys. Or something. Can't really be bothered. But maybe they should have indicated what the fuck it was.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Might be conditional. Don't know what the condition would be, though. Have you checked your temperature? Maybe you are not cool enough.
 
4:20 PM
@VLAZ I certainly have my blood boiling since yesterday
 
Professional Developer Service Series, where top SO users will be competing 1-on-1 to become the first SO Pro Developer!
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You're probably too hot for the question, then.
 
... okay it's time for me to sleep
 
@VLAZ well, you don't have to be hot to have your blood boiling :) maybe I am in the vacuum of space since yesterday
certainly feels like it
 
Well, in that case, you should be cool enough. Dunno, then the question is probably only for people on Earth.
We need to find an alien to verify if they got the question or not.
 
4:26 PM
I suppose I'll have to ask on ELU
 
4:56 PM
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Q: Merge tag [ml5] into [ml5.js]

Linda PaisteTags ml5 and ml5.js refer to the same JavaScript library. I recommend using ml5.js as the canonical tag for consistency with p5.js, d3.js, etc. ml5 should be a synonym. ml5 41 questions Use for any topic related to the machine learning library (usage, models, algorithms) ml5.js 16 questions ...

 
5:09 PM
@NewPosts Should the survey question be featured?
 
After they've had time to fix it
QA testing and such
 
QA being production, of course.
 
it's on the blog now, where it says this year they're focusing more on education..
wasn't there only one education question?
 
2 if you count "where you get knowledge from"
 
> This year, we’re diving deeper into online developer education. Over 60% of last year’s respondents learned to code online, so we want to know more about that.
I just chose other, "I wrote code."
 
5:21 PM
> provide information about the tech you love and loathe
 
What about the tech i use and don't love or loathe?
 
and, again, this wording. I agree with @VLAZ that this is going to be used to draw the wrong conclusions
 
My toolbox has a wrench in it
i used it this year
i don't want to use it next year
 
@KevinB you identify as non-binary, this is clearly not acceptable /s
 
does that mean i hate wrenches?
 
5:23 PM
no, have you read the blog? It means you loathe wrenches
 
it's a marketing survey and it will be used for marketing
 
@KevinB No, you dread them. Duh.
 
that is it's purpose
it's being presented as a developer survey as clearly marketing it as a marketing survey would lead to less responses
it's not about somehow serving the community
 
To be honest, I don't think it ever was for the community. However, it was useful for as a barometer for the wider development community, as it's hard to get useful data for a lot of the development things. How many use which language and so on. It's good to have some overview of popularity of technologies and such.
With that said, I agree with you: that's not really what the survey is about any more.
 
this doesn't give us that
 
5:28 PM
My aunt used to work for a marketing company. And she said they would really get requests that are like "We want this thing for our company" and they'd be expected to massage the data and put it in the correct like to make it seem like the statement is true.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
It's what the survey seems to want to do, as well. Interpret data in a way that's dictated by somebody else.
 
5:59 PM
I can't tell whether or not this user is being sarcastic stackoverflow.com/questions/72205490/…
guess it doesn't matter, i don't intend to respond
 
@KevinB I don't think they are?
 
It's hard to tell, because all i did was point out what was blatantly obvious (to me) due to the error message, but also, it's relatively common for people to misunderstand this particular error message
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I've seen it plenty of times. Error is super exceptionally specific. A commenter would re-state the error message. And OP would thank them for providing a solution.
 
@KevinB dunno, I call myself an idiot more than once per day, I thnk that's ok
and yeah, sometimes it just "clicks" when repeated, as @VLAZ mentioned above
 
Although yeah - many people seem to be completely unable to read the error message related to undefined correctly. It's exceptionally common. It would say something like "cannot read foo from undefined" and the code is obj.foo and they'd go "but why is foo undefined?"
It's like the NullPointerException in Java. We might get a canonical for it but I doubt it'd be super useful.
Ultimately, it's a matter of reading the message which tells you what's wrong.
 
6:07 PM
cors errors, heh
even worse
"Access-Control-Allow-Origin header is missing" -> "How do i fix this"?
add the header.
but no, someone's gonna answer "Just install this chrome extension"
 
not as simple as might sound - 50% of the time if you get a CORS error, you are outta luck unless you control the service
 
More than once I've seen some custom error that comes from a framework or something that goes like "X is wrong. This usually happens when <some circumstances>. Try <changing your code like this> and <changing this thing>. If that fails, look at how to fix <URL that links to a detailed explanation>". Of course the user just posted the error message and something like "How to fix?"
The legend of Kevin grows.
 
 
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7:14 PM
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Q: I think someone is downvote-botting my replies on meta

Karl KnechtelI got a downvote within mere seconds here, for a multi-paragraph answer that I put careful consideration into and supported with citations. Edit: it suddenly has -5 within mere minutes.

 
@NewPosts Your self-delete are now belong to us
 
@BSMP I did not notice this; I always thought Stack Overflow questions had to include source code. But I fear that, although the Help Centre says contrary, this is the kind of question that would get heavily downvoted there, and go unanswered. — Lecdi 39 mins ago
^ sigh-2
 
omg
> When I visit the page, all I see is a message indicating that Javascript is necessary to view the content (since I use a whitelisting Javascript blocker, and your third-party site is not on it). This shows me that you do not care about building trust or rapport, and do not care about my CPU cycles.
 
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Q: Why I will not take the 2022 Developer Survey

Karl Knechtel The URL you offer me includes utm_* tracking parameters. This shows me that you do not care about my privacy, and are instead more interested in figuring out how to promote your survey. Except that you promote the survey in a very lackluster way anyway; I only know about it because I happened to...

 
7:21 PM
Does anyone have a desk I can facedesk into? Must be more solid than my previous desk. Tanks in advancing
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine no mine's busy with my head
 
Sharing is caring
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine catch: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
ow!
It's perfect
Thanks
 
@KevinB Yeah, weird complaint. I love the idea of graceful degradation but the internet has changed to where JS is almost mandatory in most places.
 
7:22 PM
i mean, i can act entitled, but that complaint takes it to a whole nother level
Your privacy is your responsibility
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yw, I'll go bash my head against the wall while you are busy with the table
 
@KevinB To an extent, sure, but not when companies make it their life mission to bypass it
However, in this particular case, there's plugins for that
 
^ eh, I think it is not supposed to work like that
 
meh
 
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Q: How can I give my feedback about the 2022 developer survey in a way the community will accept?

Karl KnechtelI think I have legitimate reasons for not taking this survey, and a well-thought-out argument (complete with citations) for why the survey's design and implementation is offensive to me as a developer. The description reads "we encourage everyone who codes to participate and make their voice heard"...

 
7:32 PM
@NewPosts I think I need my table back, @ZoestandswithUkraine
 
i mean
they're not entirely wrong
> "it's not crazy to expect a website in 2022 to use javascript, or to have clickthrough tracking" I disagree strongly; but now that someone has finally at least given me the slightest indication of the problem, I will sigh, delete this question as well, and resign myself to the fact that the Stack Overflow administration is openly hostile to its userbase, especially to high-rep users.
 
they are not, and I would actually like to read the post if only they stop deleting and reposting it
 
There's absolutely people who'd agree with them, if they'd just leave the post up long enough for them to find it
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
or they can wait till they crawl to 10K eventually
 
they're 55k
 
7:47 PM
oops, I see how ambiguous I was above :) they and they'
 
:D
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Want a screenshot? Overall, the complaints aren't that unreasonable.
 
@VLAZ yeah, won't mind, closed the tab (does not matter which version, I suppose), thanks :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Here you go. That's the initial answer. I don't think anything was changed with the other answer and then the question but I've not verified.
 
> my if statement is always false
have you checked the values you're comparing to see what they are and why?
 
8:03 PM
@VLAZ thnaks!
hmmm, since when do we not have a functioning chat? That's literally the most well-functioning part of the network if you ask me
 
It's also the part of the network that's almost never changed. Correlation and causation and all but I think there is a relation.
 
at least 4/6 points I see as mostly valid - a shame they decided to get hotheaded about votes
@VLAZ it kind of started to look like causation these past years :) thankfully, the chat hasn't been touch, like, since 2016. Although I've seen some ominous remark in the last quarterly roadmap about revisiting chat, but since no one knows what happened to the roadmap this year...
 
8:35 PM
roadmaps are inconvenient
they cause people to complain when you don't follow them or meet expectations
 
imagine that! /s
 
9:10 PM
 
 
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11:50 PM
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Q: Why does upvoting a question enable the "Other action" option in review queues?

MFergusonIf you upvote on a question while reviewing, the "Other action" option is enabled and allows you to select it. That doesn't make sense to me since upvoting a question/answer implies it is well-written enough to satisfy passing review. If a question/answer is downvoted, then obviously the "Other a...

 

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