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Q: How to handle a question that was scoped to a single language, but has a large number of answers that ignored that scope?

Ryan MFind the smallest positive integer that does not occur in a given sequence asked how to solve a particular Codility problem in Java (it was tagged with the java tag originally). Since then, the page has acquired answers in a variety of other languages that Codility supports (and maybe others, I d...

 
 
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6:14 AM
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Q: Can we talk about the [functor] tag?

Silvio MayoloI found this exciting gem today. This tag has 1,542 questions, at the time of writing. The excerpt for the functor tag starts with The term 'functor' has several common meanings: 1. Function object. In object-oriented languages, it is a feature that allows objects to be used as if they were ordi...

 
6:49 AM
^ Why do I have the feeling we have talked about it? I do remember the tag wiki. I feel like I remember discussion about it. I can't find anything on MSO.
 
 
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8:46 AM
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Q: GoogleColab Error AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'astype'

lalaif name == 'main': import sys try: fn = sys.argv[1] except: fn = '/content/drive/MyDrive/fyp/temple.PNG' def nothing(*argv): pass img= cv2.imread(fn); I = img.astype('float64') / 255 dark = DarkChannel(I,15); A = AtmLight(I,dark); te = TransmissionEstimate(I,A,15); t = TransmissionRefine(sr...

 
^ thus it's not unfocused, right?
 
Confirmed, I did not close it for lack of focus.
 
@NewPosts 99.9% the OP is Q-banned.
 
@AndrewT. ahhhh...yep, that's why.
 
9:05 AM
Ugh
> downvoting is a broken mechanic, YouTube already removed count from downvotes. That tell you something.
Uh, no, it doesn't.
 
Yes, it tells me quality on YouTube cannot be accurately measured.
In fairness, the votes on YT never were indicative of quality even before downvotes were removed.
 
Deceze's thesis only makes more sense now.
 
I believe it's still stored and used for not recommending the videos to us...
 
@AndrewT. presumably. Of course, we can never be sure. Also, I'm not a huge fan of automated recommendation algorithms and similar. They often miss obvious (to me?) stuff and overemphasises on the obviously (to me?) wrong stuff.
And YouTube is the poster child of these algorithms. Here is an experience I've had many times: I play a song and leave YT to play the top recommended afterwards. And leave it. To get a "music mix". Only what happens is that the algorithm feeds back on its own recommendations and starts to focus on a band and then eventually a song. Because it was recommended before.
Short-ish example: I'll start with "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica, then the next song would be something by AC/DC then something by Megadeth, then back to Metallica, then Anthrax, then Metallica, then AC/DC, then Metallica...etc Metallica being picked more and more often because it's in the play history.
And eventually it might even start playing "Nothing Else Matters" every second or third song. Because it's in the play history the most. But it's there the most based on the algorithm recommendations. It just spirals inwards focusing on only a small selection of content.
There is also the opposite - you watch one video on a new topic and it floods you with recommendations about similar things.
My best example there was from Amazon: I opened a link about a front door. Because somebody sent it to me saying "Look what you can buy on Amazon, lol". And a front door was something we both didn't expect. For maybe a month afterwards, Amazon would offer me front doors to buy. I'm not some sort of door fetishist. It's not even something I need.
eBay did this to me with toilets, by the way. I was sent a link to a toilet on eBay because it was unusual. It wasn't a month but got at least a week or two of recommendations for toilets. It is pretty annoying. Mostly because I see it as an incredibly dumb recommendation system.
 
9:33 AM
My overall YouTube recommendations were pretty good. But yeah, I still can't trust the play the top recommended video next feature...
Shopping recommendation? Now that's the worst.
 
I've been using Google for music for a while. When they moved away from Google Play Music to YouTube Music, the recommendation quality deteriorated significantly.
 
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Q: Rename [scenekit-modelio]

JessyThe questions with this tag are trying to refer to Model I/O. Model I/O is not specifically for use with SceneKit. If the creator of the tag was trying to differentiate it from [modelio], [apple-modelio] would have been a more accurate choice. But Model I/O's name contains a space and a slash, to...

 
@E_net4 That's...regrettable. I used to use Google Music. It was...OK. But when they wanted me to move to YouTube Music, I had to stop using the service. I have two Google accounts, I prefer to keep separate - one was used for Google Music, the second I use for YouTube. They offered nothing for this situation, though - I had to either transfer the music subscription to the second account or use first one for videos. Or use multiple browsers and other such solutions but it wasn't appealing.
So I just moved to Spotify. Now I'm annoyed at other things but it also has some things better than Google Music. But overall, they are mostly comparable.
 
9:52 AM
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Q: SO survey keyboard navigation

AprillionI am on the page How did you learn to code? Select all that apply. in 2022 Stack Overflow Developer survey. The page uses custom "checkbox" form elements and visually hidden inputs. That will probably work fine for screen readers (though I did not test), however there is no focus indicator for ke...

 
 
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10:56 AM
I was surprised Azure DevOps wasn't on the list of version control hosting services, I'm sure it's very popular with larger enterprises. — DavidG 5 mins ago
Because SE just randomly removed the option that was already in their list.
"Yo, does this list look OK to you people? Cool, let's just remove some stuff none of you said to remove."
 
A/B Survey
 
11:14 AM
Survey is developed by a generic algorithm. Removal is part of random mutation.
 
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Q: Should I remind someone to accept answer?

Abhyuday VaishI once received a message from a moderator that I shouldn't be posting comments to ask the OP to accept the answer. But what if the OP hasn't accepted any answer till now and posted many questions? Is it right to remind them to accept the answers(whichever they find helpful!)? The comment privile...

 
 
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12:52 PM
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Q: Creating tag [gt-m] for GT.M

LiiI'd like to create tag gt-m for GT.M: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT.M I get an error message that the tag name is too similar to gtm. Can we create this tag? GT.M is really the name this product is know under. GT.M is an implementation of mumps.

 
1:03 PM
@NewPosts deja vue.js
 
1:46 PM
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Q: Is this comment fine or did I wrongly flag it as "unfriendly or unkind"?

The Amateur CoderI flagged this comment as "unfriendly or unkind": descibe your problem instead of typing nonsense text No, it's about not the missing r, but the way of conveying that the "text" (code/error/question) is not useful. "nonsense", IMO, depends on how it is taken/received by the reader. It'd be fine...

 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'd argue that y'all use NAA in a too-broad sense, rather than "strictly"... The definition on SO is "does it attempt to answer some question, even if that question is not related to the actual question?" and my definition is "Does it actually attempt to answer the question asked right on this page?". I'd argue that mine is significantly narrower while the standard SO definition causes exactly this problem - "It's an answer to some variant of this question but it's not about Java, so we can't flag or delete it"... too bad! — Catija ♦ 24 mins ago
If the question is about Python and the answer is clearly about C# and not Python at all, it's NAA - period. I've had to go through this on several sites and this is exactly why - you end up with answers that don't actually answer the question. As an asker, I shouldn't have to say - "I don't care about C#, I need to know how to do it in Python!" Other sites explicitly require locations, for example, and if the answer doesn't relate to that location or culture, it's removed because it's likely misleading. — Catija ♦ 21 mins ago
cc @CodyGray @ZoestandswithUkraine @RyanM
 
2:03 PM
I thought that's the core of the discussion, though? Because Law.SE encourages posting answers even from other jurisdictions on the same questions.
 
2:13 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Just to throw my opinion here - generally I'm OK with writing an answer in another language. Of course, that's to a reasonable extent - if somebody asks "How do you write a loop in the Darth language" then showing them how to write a loop in Sith doesn't help. Still, algorithms generally transcend languages.
With that said, the question that Ryan brought up is...a mess, honestly.
I don't think we need that many solutions to it.
There is four pages of solutions. Are there really that many unique ones, even in different languages?
 
When that occured with my most upvoted answer, mods stepped in and left a note in the question, and deleted a bunch of answers
There's still quite a few though that include answers in other languages
 
@KevinB And from them, some of the answers in other languages are some times better.
Some times people who know the theory very well come to a question and answer in, say, Python because that's their strong suit. And this is still valuable - they give a valid and good solution. Python code in particular is easy to translate even if you don't really know the language. I've done it several times.
 
2:31 PM
i'd rather they just not answer
there's plenty of JS experts that can do so in JS
 
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Q: Why my questions are not getting posted on my Stack Overflow account

Ansu SinhaSince past 2 weeks I was trying to post few questions on my Stack Overflow account and after every 15-20 minutes the question was getting closed. I framed the question as good as I could but then also my questions were closed by the community.

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Q: Are there ways to search on language operators; ex. R's "[<-" and "[[<-"

IRTFMOne of the powerful features of R is the skilled use of assignment and extraction operators: "[<-", "[[<-", "[", "[[". The term I use for tagging questions is "indexing". There are also specialized operators built with non-alphabetic characters, for example: "%in%". Searching for questions or ans...

 
3:10 PM
> Honestly, I don't have much idea to how to create a menu driven program in python. I searched on google but not able to understand the post/article to create menu driven program in python.
Why was this question closed, I wonder /s
 
that's a statement, not a question
 
Maybe the title would help:
> I need to write a menu driven program which should add,delete and modify data displayed from binary file The record should be stored as a list in file
 
that's still just a statement
 
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Q: Improve the NAA flagging mechanism

CristikCurrently, while one stumbles upon a NAA (Not An Answer) post, they can flag it accordingly. The problem is NAA covers a broad spectrum of answers, ranging from obvious ones: answers not even remotely related to the problem link-only answers answers that are in fact other questions, sometimes re...

 
3:49 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I was annoyed enough by this I had to comment on it
 
4:27 PM
@VLAZ is this when you program depending on what's on the menu? MDP?
@VLAZ heh, I remember those burning letters :)
 
@AndrewT. Well, I think my position on that particular issue is clear... ;-)
 
A lot of places already have hamburgers on their menu. It's a matter of expanding what's on offer!
 
@AndrewT. I am precisely iffy about Catija mentioning that they are NAA in direct contradiction to established policy. Either mods should agree, and then this comment can be used every time a flag on NAA is declined, or a CM should make sure their take on the matter aligns with reality before commenting, IMO
whether or not they should be deleted is another matter
 
Also I'm not sure the duplicates on my question are really terribly helpful. They come to opposite conclusions, for one.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Discussion elsewhere has revealed that her actual opinion is closer to "they should be deleted for failure to answer the question" rather than "NAA flags are the right flag for this"
 
IMO, it's wrong to prevent experts from contributing an answer to a question on the basis of: the answer being in another language.
 
4:34 PM
For the record, the reason moderators don't like NAA flags on these is because we get a zillion NAA flags every day, and we really do not have time to research every possible reason why someone might have flagged something NAA. We really need the flagger to explain if it's not immediately obvious.
@VLAZ Those experts have a simple workaround for that: they can simply ask the question themself in their preferred language.
 
@RyanM yes, which is why my pet peeve here is saying "those answers are NAA" rather than "they should be deleted" - a world of difference if you ask me
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine oh, I agree.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I've found and was helped by answers in pseudo-code to questions tagged with a specific language.
 
The result of experts answering in a different language means that someone looking for a solution in a specific programming language must wade through 118 answers across four pages to see if it happens to contain one in their preferred language.
 
I said above - having one question with so many answers is not helpful.
 
4:38 PM
But surely that is the inevitable result of such a policy
 
I didn't say that every answer in another language is helpful or useful. Just that they can be.
 
It also makes duplicates a huge mess, because now you're in the position of deciding whether a Java question that happens to have a Python answer should be used as a duplicate of a Python question, even though maybe only one Python programmer has seen it.
 
An answer in a different language that relies on quirks and specifics of said language are not going to be helpful to the asker. An answer that outlines the algorithm would be.
 
@VLAZ I'd argue that is fine, and wouldn't delete that. But pseudo-code explaining the algorithm is very different than a completely unrelated programming language.
 
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Q: New breed of spam?

Daniel A. WhiteI just noticed a new-to-me tactic for spammers on this question (probably gone by the time I post this). It seemed to be originally a LQ question, then within seconds of me asking for clarification/marking to close, it became a super spammy post. Do we have any defenses against that such as detec...

 
4:40 PM
@NewPosts read the room
 
@RyanM Good thing outdated answers had planned on adding tags to answers right.....?????
 
@RyanM If I wrote down Java code for a loop that does something, that can very well serve as pseudo-code in JavaScript.
 
@VLAZ that was the argument in my comment
 
I do disagree with cross-language duplicates, though. Unless the two solutions are literally the same (JS/TS) then closing a Java question with a Python one shouldn't happen. But posting a Python answer could be acceptable.
Python reads like pseudo-code already, so it can describe what you need to do. It's a simple matter to convert it. Well, unless it's language quirks, specifics, libraries, and the like used.
 
@NewPosts for the non-10kers: I deleted that to avoid giving people posting stuff like that any more good ideas (with a comment to the OP explaining that the question was totally fine otherwise).
 
4:48 PM
Yep, IIRC there was a similar discussion a while ago about a similar post which the charcoal team answered
don't wanna give away spam handling practices
 
5:24 PM
@NickstandswithUkraine I personally like cutting my spam in slices and put those on a piece of bread like a sandwich. I don't think this should be secret, I want to share my technique with the world!
 
@VLAZ I'm voting to migrate this message to Seasoned Advice.
 
6:16 PM
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Q: "Go to page" buttons should have the ability to choose a specific number

MFergusonWhen you are on the Questions, Tags, Users, or Companies pages you can scroll to the bottom of the page and see buttons to move forward/backward between the pages and also skip to the beginning/end: However, if for example you wanted to access page 1058 you would have no way to do this without c...

 

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