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2:23 AM
"If a user is believed to have used ChatGPT" There's no way to know this. How can such an open-ended and loosely worded statement exist here? It seems ripe for multiple interpretations and misuse. — Rose 11 mins ago
did...did they just pick a random answer and complain about the wording in the question?
 
 
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6:31 AM
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse What is the poor user to do? Some tyrants have removed the comments Freedom of Speech on the question! Although, according to the constitution, the user is fully within their right to resurrect Abraham Lincoln and send zomb-abe after the oppressors.
No need to rush, spammers. Please check if your questions make sense first.
And that is already nuked.
 
7:26 AM
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Q: How to handle social media links in the question?

Max PlayHow do I handle the following question that refers to social media options when contacting the person about this question, namely Discord and Telegram? Is this behavior allowed on this site? Do we have any guidelines for that? Because it's not a "Look at my social media"-type of answer that is de...

 
7:40 AM
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse Why do I keep hearing this same thing all over the place now?!
 
 
1 hour later…
8:51 AM
My gods! I just noticed this:
Boson in dark mode - when?
 
When the empire strikes back.
 
When is the strike of the empire scheduled for? Do they have an open letter to sign?
In other news, I just noticed you changed your avatar. I don't know for how long. But I love it :)
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Doesn't Zoe maintain Boson? If so, the answer to that question is: never.
 
@CodyGray-onstrike Zoe entirely re-write Boson recently. Not sure if you caught that. But I think she's much more in touch with the dark side.
 
Yeah, I kind of picked up on her doing that. I assume that's why it's called "light".
But my point was that she is not a dark mode user, and prefers light mode, like the rest of us sensible folk.
 
8:59 AM
That sounds like a bias against dark mode users.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Yeah, I worked it up real quick on the first day during coffee break. Partly inspired by your own too! (low JPEG quality)
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Who isn't biased against the dark side, really?
 
What if all three of us go on strike?!
 
What did the crab's sign used to say? (I think there was always a sign?)
 
Don't think there was a sign.
Maybe occasionally? But I think it was just a crab before. With hats.
That's the original.
Also, the crab is called Ferris. Just found out.
> I am Ferris the crab, unofficial mascot for Rust.
>
> My pronouns are any — she/he/they/it are all great!
Also, dawww - the merchandise is so cute
Sorry, missed it's two sections - swag and fan art. All of it is cute.
 
9:09 AM
Yeah, I know the crab, but I'm certain it was wearing a hat, and the sign also "feels" right to me, when looking at the miniature chat version of the icon, which I see a lot.
Also, yeah, they're cute.
I think this is the main advantage of Rust over C++. C++ doesn't have a cute mascot. :trollface:
 
@CodyGray-onstrike Yes. Historically seen as the biggest problem with the language and attributed to Bjarne Stroustrup.
 
You're saying Bjarne Stroustrup isn't a cute enough mascot?
 
Where can I get fan art and swag with Bjarne Stroustrup?
 
OK, acceptable. But I do want to note I don't like the FunkPop figurines. Dunno, never quite clicked for me.
 
9:17 AM
@CodyGray-onstrike It was wearing glasses and two hats, one on top of each other. Recently I just added the sign and JPEG'd the whole thing.
@VLAZ-onstrike- I have one of edunham's Squishable Ferris. Gave that one a hat too.
 
Plushies are so much better than stickers
Everyone has stickers, but I've never found anything useful to do with them
I have a whole envelope jammed full of Stack Overflow stickers from years ago. Of course, now, I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to use them.
@E_net4isonstrike But do you have the coasters?
 
Stickers are useful for filling up a dossier.
@CodyGray-onstrike Alas, not really. They look pretty cool.
 
I'm not sure cork is ideal for coasters, but... they have nerdy things on them, so that's obviously cool.
 
9:45 AM
Even in light of the special circumstances, I'm disappointed that you're deviating from the Q&A style. This is not a question. How can we know that the position presented here is representative of those wanting to strike? I'm convinced a question & self-answer would have been more appropriate. — Joooeey 15 mins ago
*facepalm*
Can we agree that Meta is not good at what it is? Not everything is a Q&A. Some times things are announced. But if you announce it in "as Q&A" it's...not really an announcement.
 
that was my initial reaction, then I decided they had a point, but also that Machavity was still right to do it this way.
anyway I said some words.
@Joooeey To some extent, meta has always played a little fast-and-loose with the Q&A format, especially in the [discussion] tag. Here, the post sets out a topic, and answers can respond to it. Writing it as a self-answered question would make it more difficult for people who aren't those mods to respond. Your concern about not representing the positions of the striking mods is valid, though we've looked through it, one of us edited it to correct some facts, and we can post comments or answers if we have our own positions that differ enough or add enough to merit an addendum. — Ryan M - Regenerate response ♦ 2 mins ago
 
Hmm. What happened to your colors?
 
they went on strike
along with like half of @VLAZ's discrete cosine transforms, it seems.
 
Aye, DCTs are sick and tired of not being listened to.
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse the alpha channel is also on strike (because I don't know how to do JPEG artefacting with a PNG)
Also, lack of transparency. I'll pretend that I didn't just realise that and it was an intended subtle detail all along.
 
10:02 AM
you're welcome
 
Yeah, just realised I could have just saved as JPEG, then saved as PNG...
Meh, I think it's good (or "bad") enough.
But thank you anyway.
 
you'd have to transfer over the mask, but that's doable
(that's how I did it)
 
If only JPEG-XL was well supported by now.
 
extra points if you put in the effort I did not and also JPEGify the mask.
 
@CodyGray-onstrike The light comes from it being stripped down to the bare minimum required to run the comment archive
@CodyGray-onstrike I hosted Boson. I had nothing to do with "proper" Boson's source code, and with Higgs going down, it became uncompilable
 
10:16 AM
I see.
 
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Q: Can DuckDuckGo be given correct modified date?

Darren CookThis is something I've noticed just recently but DuckDuckGo has put "7 days ago" next to a few stackoverflow hits today. But when I click through they are e.g. " Asked 6 years, 3 months ago Modified 6 years, 3 months ago " or " Asked 9 years, 1 month ago Modified 1 year, 2 months ago" (the lat...

 
Did a quick experiment. Converted my profile picture from PNG (196k) to a 3.8k JPEG-XL file and it still looked better than the 5.9k JPEG I uploaded here.
The pushback at JPEG-XL adoption is close to criminal. This is my hill.
 
10:32 AM
Never even heard of it.
Find a bigger hill.
 
Oh no you didn'
@CodyGray-onstrike Please. My JPEG-XL. He's very in need of informing people.
 
welp
 
I'm not impressed. It all looks the same:
 
I feel like the name sort of conveys the wrong impression.
 
@AndrewT. Yup.
I don't understand why I need an xtra-large JPEG. They were big enough before.
 
10:44 AM
Time to go back to bmp. :)
 
What do you mean, "back"?
 
For all website image
 
@AndrewT. One could enable a flag on Chrome-based browsers a few versions ago. But they dropped it. :'(
And their excuse was practically as bad as the reason why SO is preventing moderators from moderating AI generated content. More on this here.
 
@ThomA Ah, I just wasn't aware that we had left that format.
@E_net4isonstrike So.. it wasn't because Chromium doesn't need any more bloat?
Because that'd be a really good reason...
 
@CodyGray-onstrike But what else would I do with all this RAM?
My browser already has audio, video, probably a couple of bitcoin miners, who knows what else.
On a more serious note: I re-enabled the DDG privacy plugin but disabled it again. It's causing major load under some circumstances. I can't figure out exactly what - the whole browser freezes, the CPU utilisation goes to 100% and the memory usage starts climbing with gigabytes above what it should be.
I think it basically always happens if I close the browser, reopen it and restore the last session. But that's not specific enough. Enabling DDG after the last session was restored seems to mostly work. But eventually I still got the same behaviour.
It's exceptionally hard to track what's happening. So, I just disabled it again.
Related - that was the initial reason I disabled it.
 
11:22 AM
@VLAZ-onstrike- funny thing is, I once tried to scrap a page with infinite scrolling (where it load next part of the page while keeping previous loaded part as you scroll to the bottom). I managed to crash Chrome 10/10 even before it used all my RAM (it only used 5GB out of the 30GB of RAM I used it on)
I feel like per tab ram usage might be somehow capped, but I don't have any proof for this
but if you open a tons of tabs with different websites, it work as intended (eg: take a lot of RAM)
@E_net4isonstrike what, never heard of this either
 
@NordineLotfi Yeah, because Chrome tries to isolate the processes. Which also means that if there is, say, 400MB overhead for a tab (the rendering engine, JS engine, image animation engine, etc) that is added for each tab you have.
 
ah, got you. At the time I even did that on a single tab only, and disabled images loading hoping it would work better. It kind of did, but still crashed at around 6GB or so
 
Actually, that's probably simplistic. I don't have super deep insight. But it's something like that. It's the isolation that means repeat of the overhead. You should be able to kill a process and it will not bring down a whole browser.
 
@E_net4isonstrike interesting. I actually kept thinking of the Skyrim's mudcrab mod/meme (the one with binocular and a hat)
@VLAZ-onstrike- so that means there no way to prevent that so it freely take all my ram without crashing the page?
 
I assume Chrome might end up bundling more than one tab into a process. But I don't use Chrome enough to be sure. FF does this. It also followed the steps of Chrome and introduce some separation. But it seems to have one main process for the core browser then a process for a tab or several tab. Killing a process might destroy 10 tabs, for example.
@NordineLotfi Dunno. Again, based on FF - it seems to some times spin off some part of a page into a separate thread/process. I've seen it happen especially with things that end up taking too much space. Often I've had problem with a Google CAPTCHA on a page that, for some reason, ends up taking 1-2GB of memory. That's shunted into a separate process. And killing it has no real impact on any tab.
 
11:34 AM
got you :/
I guess I might maybe find a golden nugget if I try all version of Chrome until one does not crash somehow (maybe they have a regression on one of their latest version which crash more than older ones?)
 
I've seen FF often "misbehave" based on how much memory is taken. And seems to be based on subprocess. Like the whole of FF might take 6GB and everything runs fine. Some times it's too much because it's 2.5GB (or whatever the limit is) for one subprocess.
 
@NordineLotfi Why are you depending on the infinite scroll if you are scraping?
Infinite scroll usually means the site either has an API or they just make a request for the next page and replace the contents
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat Could also be data that's coming from a socket and you can't easily tap into that.
And API calls are not always easy to replicate. Heck, we have this issue at work - calling some APIs requires authentication and just going to the frontend is easier because it automatically does the authentication bit. So you can at least grab the token from there.
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat hmm, didn't thought of that :o I mean, the page I was scraping does not have any other way to get next elements on the page and the javascript it use to load the next part is not documented (and seems to be obfuscated)
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Didn't think about that
@NordineLotfi Try checking the network pane of the devtools, maybe you can find an easier way
 
11:41 AM
one thing I thought of was to remove the previous part when loading the next part, but some pages I tried that on just send the whole previous part + next part in the request as a single payload
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat Web dev work - the gift that keeps on giving :P
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat Thanks, will look again :)
 
12:40 PM
Does SO just use IP address to see if a user has posted a question (recently)? Was surprised to see a user, who had registered today, be able to post 2 questions within 15 minutes of each other. I'd have though SO would also use account for the rate limit.
(they did delete their first before posting the second, but I didn't think that mattered.)
 
Yes that rate limit uses IP addresses. Probably because you can actually ask questions even without creating an account
 
@ThomA Yes, because I've seen some complain they can't post, even though they've not posted. And it's down to limit on the IP address.
 
They were both created from the same registered account.
 
But also I know limits are somewhat weird in some circumstances.
 
This is the opposite though, @VLAZ-onstrike- . User posted a question, deleted it, posted an identical one; all within 15 minutes.
So made me think their IP address had changed, and (for some reason) the rate limit didn't come into affect on their account.
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat Yeah, and that says that you can't post more than once every 90 minutes
 
Look at the following part:
> This applies to the user's IP address, not their account.
 
it says it based on IP (not account), but:
> Some of these per-site limits do also check the account, not just the IP address.

I would have thought SO would be a site that uses account.
As it's a site that is most likely to suffer from users simply switching IP, with a VPN.
Hence why I asked if SO just uses IP address.
 
Yup, just the IP address
 
Huh. So my coworker and I could not post questions relatively close in time
 
12:50 PM
@aynber Coordinate, so one of you would post both questions. The wizard has this feature where it has two question boxes!
 
heh
theoretical, anyway. I haven't posted a question in years. Everyone's usually asked them for me
 
@aynber till you get > 125 rep
 
Another gotcha is that this rate limit is actually cross-site. So you could get rate limited on for example Super User because you asked a question on Stack Overflow
 
huh
 
1:06 PM
@AbdulAzizBarkat Yeah, it also has some odd logic where if you're a trusted user on one site and not on another then depending on the order of the sites you try to post on you may (not) be rate limited.
 
1:51 PM
@AbdulAzizBarkat This gotcha is suuuuper fun for people who post on the wrong site.
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse Thankfully that never happens
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse Yeah I remember a few weeks ago where someone got rate limited on main because they had posted on Meta. xD
 
I would often consider "was the question asked in the last 45 minutes?" when deciding whether to migrate something...
 
Ouch. -5 for wondering if anyone knew if Stackoverflow and DuckDuckGo could work together better. No wonder I don't spend much time on Meta. — Darren Cook 30 mins ago
Yes, because SO is somehow responsible for every web crawler out there?
 
> Easy ways to irritate me on StackExchange sites (whether my own question or someone else's): 1. Downvote without a comment (N/A if someone already left a comment and you just agree with it, of course); 2. Answers in comments. Other than that I'm an easy-going and pragmatic guy :-)
 
1:58 PM
:vomit:
 
Proposed solutions: encourage comments with downvotes, consider improved reputation-based threshold, promote alternative feedback. Users oppose making downvoting harder, citing insufficient downvoting and negligible impact on reputation. They caution against assuming mistakes from downvoted questions and advocate less visibility for downvoted posts. The discussion highlights the importance of specific questions, balancing discouragement of inadequate questions, supporting newcomers. Previous suggestions for change have not gained widespread recognition as superior to the current system. — informix 12 mins ago
 
:vvoommiitt:
 
Yeah, I was wondering whether to link that. And just decided not to.
 
I'm not saying that's AI; I'm just saying that if I asked an AI to summarize that page, it would probably say something like that.
 
And woosh, Ryan comes in.
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse Yep.
Ran it through the HF detector and it said 99.98% real.
 
2:01 PM
And the bad takes keep coming.
 
But we also know these detectors have an unacceptably high failed detections...
 
...and also that if I asked a human to respond to the conversation, they probably wouldn't type up a summary of the conversation and say that instead...
Okay, hot take: if we could encourage useful comments with downvotes without incurring retaliation and conflict, the site would be better for it.
that is a big big big "if" there, I realize
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse Kevin recently talked about it. Hits points I've made in the past. Being able to choose optional anonymous feedback. Like "answer is wrong", "suboptimal solution", or "I don't like you", etc.
 
I like that last one. It could auto-generate a CM escalation.
 
Also, I might add "I am currently serially downvoting". That would also be useful to add to the list.
But more seriously, that's an option.
 
2:07 PM
I'm mulling in my head how bad anonymous comments would be. Like, you can reply and the user will see it, but you can't see which user you're talking to.,
 
When I initially proposed something similar it was for closure. So you could chose specific and actionable things to improve: "missing code" or "missing input data" for example
 
Meh. I once commented that the question did not have a proper MCVE, and the next morning I had an email from the OP complaining how I had bashed them while suggesting that I wasn't a real programmer.
Making it anonymous would help in this part, but that also has its issues.
 
@E_net4isonstrike Makes you wonder, right - why hasn't anybody told you you were imaginary until now.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Complex. The politically correct term is complex.
@E_net4isonstrike It does for sure. Obviously mods would need to be able to see through it.
Not sure how bad it would be.
 
IMO, feedback on downvotes is...not exactly ideal. The problem is that if voting is supposed to be purely about content rating, it's now also including this specific user feedback.
 
2:11 PM
Well, I mean...generally a negative rating is because of some issue that might be fixable.
 
We can't be sure until it's tried out. But if this ever happens, let's ensure that it's not a feedback on downvotes, but feedback on the post.
 
We've struggled with presenting downvotes as non-personal before. Now there is rather real author feedback attached to them.
 
@E_net4isonstrike yes, definitely; "If you have any feedback on how this post could be improved..."
(yes I know there's a toast, but I don't think it's a great solution, in part because of the retaliation thing)
 
I would admit - some times I've downvoted an answer so the Roomba could take care of a Q&A.
One DV saves a ton of hassle of having to close and/or delvote the question.
 
I've done that in the past. Only in cases where the answer was not useful, of course.
 
2:14 PM
I am also trying to be careful for times when nothing of value would be lost anyway. I look for rather weak answers. Maybe it's a code dump with no explanation. I also make sure it's old but with low views.
 
I can't recall any particular instances, but I remember giving it...more thought than it probably deserved. But I wanted to be sure that I wasn't doing the thing Shog said not to do with downvoting purely to clean up without consideration of the merits of the post.
ugh the code dumps with no explanation kill me
"Here's the code from the question with a couple lines changed somewhere; hope you have a diff tool handy!"
I have literally had to diff them sometimes to find what they changed.
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse I'll reiterate the need to be more like a wiki. Right now, seems that there is a rather common sentiment that "it's not my job" to fix posts when looking at them. That the authors are responsible for their posts. That runs counter to the community-run mindset that the sites promote (yet don't quite fulfil). If people looking at answers would also be compelled to fix problems rather than downvoting (that is for fixable things, at lease) there would be less need for feedback.
 
Hmmm, good point. Encouraging edits would be good, too.
 
Encouraging community ownership of content more generally.
Thus authors would also get less hung-up on voting.
Again, though, I don't have a workable solution for that. I have a goal in mind, not sure how it could be realised.
 
@E_net4isonstrike Did you use to have an e-mail address in your profile biography?
 
2:28 PM
@Andreasdetestscensorship Nope, but from what I recall they made their way into my GitHub account and then found out the e-mail address from there.
 
That’s a nice level of determination.
 
It's, like, a couple of clicks.
I'm not sure you can call that "determination".
 
2:44 PM
It's certainly a... certain.... amount of determination
 
definitely the opposite of laziness
 
@aynber I'm too lazy to argue about that.
 
3:06 PM
From the latest blog post, buried further down:
> We are lucky to be able to work with colleagues at Prosus, many of whom have decades of experience in the field of machine learning.
(Conspiracy hat on) AI mandated by Prosus in some capacity.
 
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Q: Undelete request

Adam MillerchipMaybe a long shot, since I'm the author. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/74833431/use-an-os-process-like-a-bash-pipe-send-it-stdin-and-get-its-stdout This unresolved question was deleted due to a single downvote. It is on topic, and shows research effort. It is about an issue that currently d...

 
3:25 PM
@VLAZ-onstrike- I said so the other day
or, guessed at it, at least
 
DAK
3:48 PM
Is there a way to make the strike information more visible across SO? As a newer user, I am not usually as clued in to Meta or inner SO mod issues that may arise. I was able to find about it through the "Hot Meta Posts" board which I guess is mildly sufficient, but, from experience, I can image many less established users might not give it a second glance.
 
Unfortunately, no
Staff has said no to featuring, which means it's more or less HMP or nothing
It sucks, I will agree to that, but we don't have a choice right now
 
DAK
That's unfortunate, because again, from the perspective of a newer user, this is my first time even in chat, and I had no knowledge of the strike, which I unequivocally agree with, or the "new" new AI policy, which I vehemently disagree with. This is my first time in chat, purely because I find the opposing position so mind boggling, but I only saw 670 signatures. I am POSITIVE, there would (and hopefully will) be many more, yet tons of users like myself just didn't/don't know about it.
 
Not sure when you checked (or if that 6 was a typo), but there's currently 972 signatures
And yes, getting the word out to people on the platform would help, but it's difficult when SE blocks us from doing so
it's becoming known at least
 
DAK
4:03 PM
Okay that's great news, hopefully it's because it's growing quickly and not that it was just some error. Because I literally saw it and signed my name 15 minutes ago. I just checked and it now says 972, as you said.
 
4:16 PM
I think it's growing at a rate of a couple hundred per day
Give or take
Well, that's convenient timing
 
DAK
4:39 PM
Interesting, okay definitely some coincidental timing! Do you know how long it's been on HMP? I saw Vice posted an article as well, hoping that it continues to pick up traction!
 
It made it to HMP shortly after being posted, but there has been so much going on that it's been in and out
But yeah, there's a whole bunch of articles about it
 
5:01 PM
We should probably compile a list that's visible somewhere outside of a Discord thread.
 
5:17 PM
Why not as an answer to the post on über meta?
 
Works for me.
 
5:44 PM
 
@DAK SE staff should read this message.
 
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Q: Can't ask questions. Ask question page freezes when ask-staging-ground violation 'setTimeout' handler occurs

Renato C.FranciscoI am trying to ask a question on Stack Overflow (en) but the window freezes. I managed to disable the "Ask Wizard" one time, but apparently it's something different. I can't type, and sometimes I can't even scroll down. Looked on the browser's console and I saw [Violation] setTimeout handler took...

 
Staging ground on strike.
 
6:01 PM
neat, an infinite loop
haha
probably broke something when they ended the A/B test
 
6:14 PM
@Mithical Let's keep everything synchronized between MSE and Discord, in case SE surfaces the great idea of deleting all our posts about the strike.
I hope you still have a protected copy of the MSE post laying around, preferably with as many of the edits made on MSE as well.
Or, well, the post authors should still be able to see the posts if SE deletes them. I assume it's never happened that they've completely gotten rid of a post.
 
🚽
 
You should go see a doctor. All this diarrhea can't be good for you.
 
DAK
@Andreasdetestscensorship Yes, I was hoping their might be another solution, because I strongly believe that a huge majority of the user base that would feel exactly as I do, simply aren't aware of what's going on
 
@DAK Now guess why they don't want you to know that there's a strike you can join in on.
 
the chances are fairly low that they'll go through deleting all of this. that seems a bit tinfoil hat-ish
 
6:29 PM
@NewPosts awwww
Self-deleted before I could shamelessly steal VLAZ' chat message as a comment
 
You can't comment on deleted posts?
Silly restriction, really...
 
@TylerH mods can, actually
 
I thought so
 
but then, it's a moderator's privilege, though while on strike...
and it's kind of... bad to post such non-moderation comments on deleted posts ;p
 
well, whoever said mods should have good judgment...
 
6:44 PM
@TylerH How dare you accuse me of something as gruesome as good judgement?
:p
 
lol
 
7:31 PM
@CodyGray-onstrike I would, but I'm on strike.
 
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Q: GPT on the platform: Data, actions, and outcomes

PhilippeIn a meeting with some moderators last week, I committed to releasing the data sets from our initial studies around the efficacy and false positive rates of ChatGPT detectors to them. Tuesday afternoon, we did so. This post contains as much information from that discussion as we are able to share...

 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Why was the meeting only with some moderators?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I can't comment on your judgement. However, I know you have either excellent or terrible taste, but you'd never let me down when it comes to that.
 
:p
@Nike Availability, timezones, personal reasons... take your pick
You can't ever truly have a meeting that actually involves all 539 moderators
It's logistically unfeasible
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine do you mean that all diamond moderators were invited, but some of them couldn't make it?
Or were only some of them invited?
 
7:44 PM
Everyone was invited, yes. It was an open meeting in a mod-only room that all mods have access to
 
I see
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine It's actually only 538, so much easier now.
 
What? Who resigned?
 
Uh... I forgot?
Massimolio, I think?
 
@Mithical For taste, Zoe seems to not like licorice. Take that as you will.
 
7:46 PM
Massimo resigned from Academia.SE
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- So far, excellent taste.
 
Yeah, here. Totally butchered the name. My bad.
Actually, didn't butcher it, just added extra stuff to the end for no real reason.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- ew
 
so... have they looked for a change in behavior pre vs post for the users they identified as active answerers in this data? it's clear from the chart that there was a large increase in low draft count posts, but how much does that overlap with users who were previously active answerers?
all of the gpt posts i've flagged were users who had more or less been inactive for years, or were entirely new
 
The post is more or less identical to the one we got internally
with the exact same methodology errors
 
7:55 PM
Both of these can be true: past active answers moved on, and new answerers looking to take advantage of chatgpt moved in
 
There's a large amount of coinciding factors, none of which correlate to GPT dropping to near 0
 
I can't really thoroughly read the post right now. On account of alcohol. But here is a random thought - we've also seen a big amount of posts that seems to have attempted to "hide" the ChatGPT response. Maybe not exactly intentionally but it was clear part of the answer was ChatGPT while another clear part wasn't. For example first part of the post + some links at the end which seems to have been appended separately.
Or some times the post has had a face lift. Some really seemed like "masking" attempts. That might have resulted in a higher draft count but still mostly a paste.
 
Also mentioned internally
 
except one
 
Also ignored
 
7:58 PM
there's one user who was an active answerer, and still is
the post i flagged was a departure from their normal answering style of "Here's some code"
they've resumed with that style
the post i flagged was one of 4 such answers that all got removed
 
8:27 PM
my first click in the bounty tab went to a gpt answer, go figure. the user has 6 other matching answers, and has been accused in comments of it being gpt
all in the past 8 hours
 
8:56 PM
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Q: Could Javascript/HTML/CSS snippets be an XSS vulnerability?

TheTridentGuyImagine any developer late on a Friday night. Ping! something appears in their SO inbox. It's an answer to that question they asked a month ago! Now they can finish their project. They got to the answer. It has a long explanation of some web technology, and a code snippet. They run the code snipp...

 
Lukewarm take - if somebody really runs a snippet completely blindly, doesn't understand anything from it at all (remember, a web dev), and gets fooled by what might be one of the cheapest tricks in the book, then maybe they deserve being fooled.
Victim blaming, blah-blah. But a lot of hoops have to be jumped through for there to be a victim. Doesn't the victim at some point become an accomplice?
 
the stack snippet isn't the weak link here
but
a link to a stack snippet will be more trustworthy than a link to thisisobviouslyascam.com/foaskjhfklrh2hjhkjas#dhfakjdf;adjf;ahf;kjafjhjf
 
I'd find it difficult to trick someone into entering their password into a stack snippet
I just tried, it's not really possible to execute code outside of the stack snippet
 
it should be possible to load an image
if you can load an image, you can pass data to a backend
 
Of course, there's that prompt() but that's definitely not a genuine SO password box (and the embedded page warning doesn't help)
 
9:04 PM
It's still sandboxed, AFAIK. But whatever. Again, to get to this point, the prerequisite is an utterly incompetent web dev.
 
1. Yes, sandboxed definitely
2. Also true. Unless you can get out of the sandbox, only the utterly incompetent web devs would actually fall for that
like you said
 
9:20 PM
@KevinB However I do like this idea, you could send a request to arbitrary external servers, sending data like user agent. The script is still severely limited by the sandbox however, as it has no access to top URL, localStorage, or any other "useful" data.
 
@NewPosts I think there are some meta posts about XSS and a few overlapping with Stack Snippets
 
@AndrewT. Also several that show concern about "But what if the snippet had malicious code and somebody ran it!!11!!"
And yes, it's possible to hide malicious code as reasonable. But none of the questions I've seen are about that. Just about plain malicious code and a poor apparently helpless developers who somehow click all possible buttons or something. And how should they be protected.
 
9:38 PM
The vote for representatives to negotiations with SE is up on the meta discord, and is up until Sunday
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9:54 PM
Quick message for Zoe as requested in Another Place.
 
(this is one of my favourite sketches)
 
10:26 PM
I was told to ask here for the mod role in the discord. @ZoestandswithUkraine can you help with that?
 
Yep! What's your Discord username?
 
Dragonrage#7634
 
thanks
 
10:54 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine same request please - Stephie#9253
 
Thanks!
 

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