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"I'm guessing users click on "Products" less often than they do on the top-rightmost menu items." Well, I've never clicked it on purpose, so... — John Montgomery 1 min ago
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And for the record, popularity doesn't make a question good. Quite the opposite, usually. Counter-example: this question about memory handling in C++. Nobody unfamiliar with C++ understands it, but everyone understands what happens when you leave a book in a drawer in a hotel room and steal the room key. — Robert Harvey 5 secs ago
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I would also like to see burnination and tag clean up requests featured every so often. It seems like many of them don't happen just because they don't get views. (I may be biased, having just made a request.) That may be more feasible once there are more moderators or current moderators are less busy. — BSMP 1 min ago
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What is the value of having a runnable snippet that cannot run? Nothing. Remove them. I also tend to remove JS runnable snippets into non-runnable blocks if all they just throw an error and it's not OP's reported problem (incomplete snippet). — VLAZ 14 secs ago
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I've noticed some users actively edit non-runnable code into stack snippets. It would be awesome to have a policy for this. — Scratte 22 secs ago
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"Since we cannot control which question can be popular, I am wondering if there is a way to early identify that a question will become popular." This reads to me like: X is impossible, so let's try X, which would be rather futile. Where exactly is the difference between controlling and predicting? — Trilarion 1 min ago
OK thanks, I just thought the title should be concise and not too long, but the duplicates also suggest being more elaborate in the title. I'll try that in the future. — Tobias Feil 1 min ago
Good to know I could have just added 5 question marks and it would have been accepted. — Tobias Feil 16 secs ago
@CodyGray Including some territory with one or another country is not a simplification though. Leaving Crimea out completely would have been a simplification. It might just be a mistake but in the end SO is responsible for the maps they draw, I think. — Trilarion 6 secs ago
Is there any statistics available how many of the new questions are link to offsite code only? — Trilarion 14 secs ago
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@RobertHarvey popularity doesn't make a question good this is exactly what I am trying to fix here. If I have a metric to let me know that a question is becoming popular then I can improve my answer there to make it good enough since a lot of people will see it. By the way, HNQ doen't do this. HNQ consider the number of answer and the number of votes and having many answers means that the question is either trivial or a clear duplicate. It's rarely a good one (related: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/392597/8620333) — Temani Afif 23 secs ago
@Trilarion By controling I mean editing the question to make it more SEO friendly. It's like you have a website and you try hard to make it rank first. You have a question about a particular issue and you try to get the first one when we search about that issue (so it's popular). You cannot control this because many questions will cover the same issue and few of them will rank high. Knowing which one is on its way to become popular will help me focus on it rather than trying to edit other questions that will never become popular. — Temani Afif 52 secs ago
@ggorlen upvotes isn't really an issue because we can easily get them with basic answers to very popular questions. What I want is that all the answers I gave to popular questions are canonical or with enough detail to fix and explain the issue. I would like to do this as soon as possible and not wait until the question is at 30K views — Temani Afif 1 min ago
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@CodyGray the other question isn't getting much attention and this is still an issue. I'm sick of seeing the blue banner at the top of the screen every time I refresh or click a link. — Lankymart 55 secs ago
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If we would subscribe to the theory that almost all important programming questions about existing technology have already been asked on SO then one may be able to limit the possibility of popular questions yet to be asked on SO to those areas where new technology arrives. Basically disregard all questions that are not about really new things. — Trilarion 1 min ago
@Trilarion based on my experience it's not always the case. Surprisingly some questions about old stuff get a high popularity in a short time of period while question about new things don't get popular (or maybe will be in the future). If I have all the analytic tools for SO I can do such study since it's about stats analysis. I simply need to follow the number of views and see how its increasing. By the way, we already have an example of tool that gives us some stats stackoverflow.com/tools?tab=stats&daterange=today but it's not really what I am looking for. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
@Scratte We do. There is a long-standing policy to reject harmful or superfluous edits. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
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There is a use for having non-JS/HTML/CSS in a snippet. Snippets allow you to have the code in the snippet shown hidden by default. The OP may have wanted to use the capability to have large blocks of code as click-to-view in order to make the post flow a bit easier, but give readers the opportunity to see more extensive examples, if the reader chooses. Other than that potential use, I agree that it doesn't make much sense to have non-JS/HTML/CSS languages in a snippet. I'd note that it's much more likely the OP using a snippet is a mistake/misunderstanding, rather than intentional. — Makyen just now
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Does this answer your question? Where can I ask questions that don't fit or are off-topic for Stack Overflow? — Erik A 1 min ago
Does this answer your question? What kind of questions belong on Stack Exchange and Stack Overflow? — gnat 1 min ago
Overall:you need to RESEARCH your questions 'how do I get started with java?' isn't a question for us. It's a question for Google. Then you find a tutorial and you work on it a bit. If you get stuck, then you come here, asking 'hey, I found this online that said X should result in Y. It gives me Z. I played and tweaked to no avail. I even tried W. What's needed to get Y?'. — Patrice 1 min ago
Good god. Some of these responses read like they're written by butt hurt parents who are angered by their child's behavior after getting little to no sleep the night before. Seriously, you can answer this new contributors question without the use of capital letters or passive-aggressive tone. — Mcmahoon89 1 min ago
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Argee on the renaming - recently started to notice the
gas
tag on questions that are about google apps script issues (I frequent the tag). @CodyGray - although the renaming part seems to me a proper way to deal with the problem, I am unsure whether it will pay off to give askers a way to shoot themselves in the foot by linking (in my experience a quie a few of google-apps-script
questions are asked by people who don't look twice at tags they add) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago12:47
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I would go for the synonym if there is no question mis-tagged in those 21 questions. — rene 41 secs ago
@rene - I don't see any mistagged, so I totally argee that a synonymizing may be enough. Just need to point out that this tag is inconsistent with how "[service name]App" are treated (there are none for others) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
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@user000001 when you say "quickly deleting disruptive content" - do you mean just from HMP, or actually honestly delete the posts from Meta? As written, I'm assuming the latter, with which I vehemently disagree. — The DIMM Reaper 47 secs ago
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@rene: Yes, I had 3rd party cookies blocked. Seems to go now, at least on Chrome. — Trunk 51 secs ago
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@rene: Thanks for process description - I watched it on Network. My account seems like it's coordinated now, must've been the 3rd party cookies. — Trunk 22 secs ago
@djsmiley2kStaysInside Depending on how involved I want to get, I sometimes point out that they are literally breaking the law. — Michael - Where's Clay Shirky 1 min ago
If [gan] is made a synonym of [generative-adversarial-network], then it's still possible to type [gan] into tags field. I vote for the longer, more descriptive tag. — Cris Luengo 2 mins ago
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You can edit your contributions at any point. However, there is a specific limitation to the review queue process, only the first edit caused your contribution to be reviewed. So if the question is closed, and you make an incomplete edit to your contribution, the question will likely remain closed since the reasons the question was originally closed were not addressed. You can flag or vote to reopen your own question at any point. — Security Hound 7 secs ago
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Very strange. I wasn’t able to reproduce the issue at all. Was this your exact Markdown content —
Did you already try putting a backslash after the `username` ( `C:\Users\%USERNAME%` )?
? — user4642212 1 min agoThis happened because you put a backslash before the closing backtick (see the Markdown by entering your comment link here). In these cases, enclose the code in two backticks.
``stuff``
— double-beep 14 secs agoDid you already try putting a backslash after the username (
C:\Users\%USERNAME%
)? — Dominique 59 secs ago@Dominique You wrote
⟨backtick⟩C:\Users\%USERNAME%⟨backslash⟩⟨backtick⟩
, right? Then you need to type ⟨backtick⟩⟨backtick⟩C:\Users\%USERNAME%⟨backslash⟩⟨backtick⟩⟨backtick⟩
. — user4642212 12 secs ago@user4642212: I understand what I should do in such a case, but what I don't understand is that, when I copy/paste the comment here, the problem seems not to occur. — Dominique 28 secs ago
Well, if you type
`C:\Users\%USERNAME%\`
, you get `C:\Users\%USERNAME%`. The backslash at the end is key. — user4642212 1 min agoAh. Now I understand it. Sorry. (I had tried to edit the original comment in order to see the original one, but it didn't work (after a while you can't edit (or view original) comments anymore)). — Dominique 20 secs ago
This can likely be closed as a duplicate of Backslash inside backquotes in a comment anyway. — user4642212 44 secs ago
Does this answer your question? Why did I gain/lose reputation? Can I audit my reputation history? — yivi 1 min ago
That question is not yours, at least not linked to the account you asked this meta question with. — rene 21 secs ago
original question/answer stackoverflow.com/questions/61001865/…. I am on chrome. No errors related to checkmark seen in console when clicking checkmark. — elderlyman 1 min ago
@TheMaker Well we could counter with: Why should you get rewarded for doing something that hasn't helped anyone? — Robert Longson 36 secs ago
rene - what is the username you see for the account that asked the original question in Stack Overflow? What is the account you see now on Meta Stack Overflow? Currently on my view I see username as elderlyman in all locations. — elderlyman 47 secs ago
thanks rene - toggled the checkmark a couple times here to be sure! now to kill this account... — elderlyman 1 min ago
@SecurityHound You need 250 reputation for that, actually (there is no reopen flag). — John Montgomery 37 secs ago
You'll want to avoid suggesting edits to questions that need to be closed. If you look at the timeline for this question you edited your edit was approved after the question was closed, which pushed it into the re-open queue where it of course was voted to Remain Closed. At 1-, there's a very good chance this question will end up deleted. — BSMP 1 min ago
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Pro tips: (1) Directing the community as to what answers you will personally find acceptable and what you will not is frowned-upon, and often makes the question itself off-topic if what you're looking for isn't what we provide. (2) If you think this question will also be closed, posting it anyway and stating that you think it would be closed shows clear disregard for the community of volunteers from which you are asking help. (3) Threatening to spam the community is not an effective way to ask for help with something. — David 1 min ago
You seem very angry. I suspect it's not working for you. I think you will find Stack Overflow to be much better for you if you read the pages in the help center before you post. You can find the help center almost where the "log out" is :) — Scratte 45 secs ago
Please give me a clear answer to the question then.... why my question was closed. and if it is valid then provide me proper answer — Govind Pandit 52 secs ago
Please read the help center article about editing for more information about why it is considered okay for people to edit your posts. — Heretic Monkey 2 mins ago
There is no way to give a moderator a "negative rating". The question was closed because it lacks details and/or clarity about what is being asked. How do I know this? Because that's what it says in the message at the top of the question. So edit your question and add more detail and be more clear about what exactly your question is. Above all, please don't take everything so personally. "I don't know who is this guy." That's fine; you don't need to know that guy. You just need to know that there was something lacking in your question, so you should edit it to make it more clear. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
Which question? The programming one? OR this question? Which is not understandable? — Govind Pandit 18 secs ago
@GovindPandit: We can appreciate that you're looking for help with a programming problem. What's happening right now is that the focus on that problem has been lost and has entirely shifted into what is essentially an argument about Stack Overflow itself. Pursuing such an argument is ultimately unproductive. I recommend you remain focused on the programming problem. You are encouraged to delete both this question and the original, and take some time to formulate a new question. Something as simple as "Why does the toast notification within onNothingSelected not display?"... — David just now
@GovindPandit: ... And include in that question any debugging you've done, such as how you've confirmed that onNothingSelected is invoking in the first place, and any errors you encounter. One thing you should not do when asking that question is demand the format of an answer. Do not declare that you want us to build your application for you, or that you will only accept complete code that can be copied/pasted as-is. We do not provide that. What we do provide is help and guidance on understanding the problem. — David 36 secs ago
Does this answer your question? Removing phrases like "I looked everywhere on the internet and I did not find anything" — gnat 1 min ago
Does this answer your question? How should one ask for clarification on a question if they can't yet comment? — gnat 1 min ago
In particular, it's not clear to me if the question is "Why isn't
onNothingSelected()
ever being called?" (are you sure it's not?) or "I'm sure onNothingSelected()
is being called, but trying to display toast (or something) doesn't work." — Paul Roub 42 secs agoDear @David and all respected active members :). I updated my answer. Thank you for precious valuable time. Please check the post now and suggest me if you have any more rules... — Govind Pandit 1 min ago
@BSMP Yes, I should stop doing edits for posts that are going to be closed. Usually I do it when I find a post of that type. — TheMaker 54 secs ago
@GovindPandit Great start -- but the question is still unclear to me. Please see Rene's answer (and my comment) below. — Paul Roub 1 min ago
My Question is Why isn't onNothingSelected() ever being called? I tried spinner with and without adapter also. But it is not executing onNothingSelected method. — Govind Pandit 1 min ago
Another rule is not using multiple "sockpuppet" accounts to do things like propose edits on your own questions. — jonrsharpe 50 secs ago
Is my question is clear to you now? Are anyone going to answer to my stack overflow question? or any more edit is required? — Govind Pandit 1 min ago
Ohh. Sorry By mistake i updated it using different account.. But is my question is clear now? — Govind Pandit 1 min ago
No, because your edit had to be rejected as it came from a sockpuppet. Use the account you used to ask the question to edit it. — Robert Longson 2 mins ago
@Braiam (Possibly I will remember better 1500 rep later.) I was unsatisfied with the unwelcomeness of the site. It hit me, and also others. I was unsatisfied with many unexplained, irrational hostilities of the network (like closing off-topic questions even if they would be migratable). I came here, and I've seen that the community "common opinion" is nearly the exact opposite of what I would call good-willig or rational. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 44 secs ago
You used a sockpuppet account to attempt to edit the question. As that's against the rules you'll have to resubmit the edit using your main account. The advantage with that is that it won't need to be reviewed. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
There are Questions that asks how-to, which will give code examples. Also, why the "Hi User! Welcome to SO"? 1. Your comment may be there for a long time 2. It seems sort of snarky when the rest is a list of stuff they didn't do right. When it's a canned comment, why abbreviate Stack Overflow? There's a lot a new user needs to learn, why add more when it's not important? — Scratte 1 min ago
@GovindPandit no, you didn't include what you searched for and which posts you found in that search were applied by you to reach that code you have now. The link I provided is clickable,. Did you notice that? Also the debugging / diagnosing which part of that code runs is still missing. I doubt it is answerable in its current state. You need to hurry with your edits now because if that question pops up in the re-open queue in 15 minutes you want reviewers to be convinced it can be answered. At the moment I wouldn't have high hopes the question will be re-opened. — rene 1 min ago
It's useful to have this in some cases :) Constructive criticism and places they can find stuff to improve can help them in the future going forward on SO :) — Neko Musume 1 min ago
Your comment looks like a catch-all kind of thing. If I had asked a Question here, I would find it confusing, not helpful. What exactly do I need to do to make my Question on-topic? Not a bunch of stuff that may or may not apply. And first.. I'd even have to find out what "SO" means. — Scratte just now
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Not suggesting a conclusion in either direction, but the statement "TL;DR - a high percentage ... at least occasionally visit MSO or MSE" appears to be very poor support for the statement "meta users represent engaged users". I would be curious to see the percentage of moderation coming from people who visit worldbuilding occasionally, or any other frequently-sidebarred location. — Cireo 1 min ago
Then this is simply a wrong wording, as the meaning of a duplicate - to me and to everyone else you might ask - is to be the same, not just very similar. This is in the generally known meaning of the word. If that is the only confusion here, why not changing the name duplicate to something more intuitive, like 'very similar' for example? — Lorenz 1 min ago
Yes, I am familiar with the rules, but I this is only a try of a researcher who simply can not wait to achieve the designated reputation level :) — László Tóth 58 secs ago
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Specifically for your question, the new answer from 2017 has 55 upvotes. The +15 for the accept is minimal compared to the +550 rep from the upvotes so don't change just to "reward" someone = they've been rewarded plenty. Your answer should be the best answer that helped you most. As rene said - bounties are a more substantial way to reward answers with rep if you feel the need — psubsee2003 1 min ago
I think the recommendation I've seen for this is to downvote the posts. Otherwise, you could leave a comment and/or edit the post (although editing should be a last resort). — TheWanderer just now
Google "site:meta.stackoverflow.com a year in moderation" to find the Shog9 posts back. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
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@PaulRoub That one is closely related. And I am also talking about Questions here. — Ani Menon 24 secs ago
You did post this question: stackoverflow.com/q/62182406/578411 did you manage to resolve the issue? — rene 36 secs ago
Take a look at the downvote tooltip, specifically the part about it not being useful. I'd say that fits your requirement pretty well. As for editing, I don't mean change the answer, but rather add a notice. — TheWanderer 47 secs ago
@Braiam So: 1) I gave up the hope that once I will use my SO profile to tune my online identity 2) I went into anonymity, and 3) I started to break the taboos. | I think I did it well, I had to most impact for that what a "simple mortal" could have. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
@rene A question might be something like
how can I add column names with tables in xyz framework
this might be very relevant for the version of that framework today but few months from now this question might entirely be irrelevant if the framework can just infer schema and you don't need to do add column name
explicitly anymore. — Ani Menon 1 min ago"Vehement, hostile" meta users represent the opinion that the objective value of the site is in many ways inversely proportional to how welcoming it is, and that these things are fundamentally irreconcilable. It's just a matter of time before someone makes their own SO with blackjack and hookers and it shoots to the top of the Google page rankings. — StackOverthrow 1 min ago
@StackOverthrow Yes, so is their agenda. Fact is (for me), that they did it badly. So badly, that the site stagnated 5 years long, while the Internet doubled around it. So badly, that finally a new CEO was needed to fix the things (obviously CEOs are replaced mostly because bad economical stats). Yes, shooting to the top of the Google is at least an understable goal, with a close relation to the general user experience of the visitors. Working on to make yet more hostilities to the newbies, for a little chance on the next election, is a directly contradicting goal. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 15 secs ago
If you have question about specific post it is better to ask just that... If not - coming up with something better that generally off-topic "bash" tag as an example would be better. It is hard to see how regular "write code/script that I can use in bash to do XXXX" is not answered by valid piece of python code... — Alexei Levenkov 5 secs ago
@StackOverthrow I am really sorry, but if I had seen here in the past 5 years a group of idealists wanting to improve the content, wanting to create a "cathedral of the knowledge", I would be in the first line among you. But not this is what I felt. I see a hird of nepotists, completely ignoring anything what I could call idealism, desperatively carving for the diamond on the next election. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 13 secs ago
@AniMenon But what if someone is still using the old version of the framework? The answer would still be useful for them. Perhaps in that case you should just edit it/leave a comment to clarify which version of the framework it's meant for. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
wonder if you aware of recent research performed by SE engineering. "TL;DR - a high percentage (50+%) of curation/moderation actions on Stack Overflow come from users who at least occasionally visit MSO or MSE. This is true for the entire range of time we looked at..." — gnat 1 min ago
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@gnat The result is not about main site post activity, it is about the main site "curation" activity. About the main site post activity: in the summed score of the positively scored answers, about a fourth of the ups is generated by users posted anything (not deleted) to the MSO (ref). From the second, it is far harder to create a SEDE stat if it is possible, but I still can not see the contradiction (for example, an estimation could be made, based on the edits/closures of the not deleted posts). — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
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I think gold-badge duplicate always wins... So if someone confirms that it is indeed how such votes are treated it may be the answer - get gold-badge. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
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@Catija you guys need to send Zera a Mug and a Hoodie for his work in maintaining the index :) — bad_coder 13 secs ago
No there was a comment above it but it got removed I guess... Ill delete the comment — Neko Musume 10 secs ago
@GovindPandit given your request, (demand, actually), for working code with no theory etc, it would be much better for you to enter into a contract with an experienced freelancer than ask here. Such contractors will do what you tell them to do. — Martin James 57 secs ago
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