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@Honey - copying part of an answer is fine, if you cite and quote the author, but as an answer author you better be prepared to add something other than that quote. Otherwise just flag as a duplicate. Raise the bar we want something else rather then copy and paste answers, Yahoo Answers, are great for that shovelware. — Security Hound 23 secs ago
@Leonard - A downvote is not rude. An upvote is not rude. The fact you think a vote going either direction is rude is sort of insulting. — Security Hound 53 secs ago
Please take me off of your mailing list for this kind of "how do I use the site?" nonsense, effective immediately. — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
@TylerH I recently got an email from that company that did not feel at all "welcoming"; in fact, it felt like a slap in the face. I have the option to receive emails from Stack Overflow turned on so that I might receive important announcements. I never intended to receive garbage like this. I think it's completely fair to call it "spam" when SO blasts gobs of long-established users with tips on how to use the site because they've asked a question in the last year. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
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Related: Merge the “Not An Answer” and “Very Low Quality” flags into one. These flag options seem like an exercise in linguistic fussiness. — ggorlen 1 min ago
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The map is obviously not meant to be accurate. It's drawn heavily stylized and with obvious attempts to simplify. Extracting geopolitical messages from this is just silly. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
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If this is supposed to be a FAQ proposal/amendment to the the site's help center, it requires serious work. For one thing, it reads as a bit rude in its language, if not lacking in helpfulness(as would be required by a remedy). On top of that, the grammar and writing of this post isn't up to the same standard you're demanding in it. We already have guides on How to Ask; what does this one offer that those do not? — Daedalus 1 min ago
"...but my doubt has been clear because somebody provided answer for that." I do not understand what this means. What is it that you doubt? I think the message is pretty clear. — Cody Gray ♦ 42 secs ago
here when i had posted my question i found some answer then my doubt was clear which was related to my question but still i can see on my question with this message. ["Closed. This question needs details or clarity. It is not currently accepting answers."] Why? — Skshivangi 43 secs ago
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Your question was closed because it is not clear what you are asking. I still cannot understand what you mean when you say "then my doubt was clear which was related to my question". No, the question was not clear. Three different users with expertise in PHP and/or HTML could not make sense out of it. I can't, either. We do not allow unclear questions to be answered until they are improved, for obvious reasons. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
I think part of the confusion here is that you are using the word "doubt" incorrectly. It doesn't make sense to have doubts about anything here. It means to feel uncertain about or to question something. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
Hmm yeah, that is the kind of severe over-reaction to being disagreed with that makes Meta participation difficult and fruitless. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
@CodyGray based on population of India roughly 1/6 of all SO questions should be using "doubt" as "problem" (which I feel aligns with what I see)... I though you've been here long enough to know "SO English". I doubt that you doubt that doubt :)... — Alexei Levenkov 51 secs ago
@CodyGray I hope to get a "it not good because..." response, not a only "it's bad" response. Obviously SO community style makes it difficult for me to adapt. The problem is with me, not SO. I am not suitable for SO. — Flithor 15 secs ago
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Downvotes or disagreement with your posts does not negatively reflect on you, I wouldn't take Cody grays comment personally but that's just me. — cs95 24 secs ago
I would happily downvte this twice - once for poor presentation of the proposal (i.e. part where benefit of the proposed feature for the site is completely missing, not very clear where suggested text is supposed to go, really questionable grammar) and second time for disagreement with the proposed feature (I see zero positive value in adding such purposely rude text)... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
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@Daedalus Sorry, didn't see your comment. Raise a moderator flag if there's a pattern of behavior you want someone to intervene to stop. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
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I'm not sure what the convention is, but for answers on a Q&A site, I would do "Answer to: <Question Title>" for the "Title of page" field. Otherwise, it might look like you were citing the question itself (user name notwithstanding). — Cody Gray ♦ 46 secs ago
@Cody No idea, because he was too arrogant? Or his full name was known, but forgotten over centuries as no other philosopher named Plato appeared? — oguz ismail 56 secs ago
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Ancient Greeks had only a single name; there were no surnames or family names. Sometimes, you saw it written with a patronymic reference (e.g., "Demosthenes, son of Demosthenes of Paiania"). You also sometimes see a reference to the person's place of origin (e.g., "Pythagoras of Samos"), if relevant, but that's still not a last name. — Cody Gray ♦ 20 secs ago
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A moderator can merge all of these in short order. Seems they could all be merged into [huawei-mobile-services] (which [hms] is itself a synonym of). — Cody Gray ♦ 59 secs ago
Hmm, looks like these were all created by the same user. Maybe a moderator should do something about that, too. Any volunteers? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
@AlexeiLevenkov: why would it be easier for everybody else to mentally replace 'doubt' with 'problem' if it's also an option to just adhere to the correct usage of both words? "Doubt" is something else than "problem", no doubt about that. This is not Alice's Wonderland; words do mean what they mean. — usr2564301 2 mins ago
The same way you would cite an online source - this is something that you should direct to your supervisor or lecturer. Trust me, I mark such papers using APA referencing. — Yvette 7 secs ago
It should also be double spaced with a hanging indent, within the reference list, with an inline citation used. — Yvette 5 secs ago
No, they're not merged. Go here, type in "hms", and you'll see all the tags that start with that prefix. If a tag only has one question associated with it, it's quite easy to see who created that tag. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
@CodyGray OK. What I did was then select the
hms-integration
tag (which has zero questions), and it sent me to huawei-mobile-services
instead. So I was confused. — Adrian Mole 24 secs ago@Cody Okay, but I don't see how it's still relevant in 21st century. There must be thousands of people named Oğuz now, do I really have the right to claim ownership of the name, and make people refer to me by only Oğuz in citations? — oguz ismail 1 min ago
Yes, [hms-integration] was merged into [huawei-mobile-services] by a moderator back on March 22. So that one is already merged, but plenty of others are not. — Cody Gray ♦ 57 secs ago
Does this answer your question? How are we doing? Take our short survey. How are we doing? Take our short survey. How are we doing? Take our short survey — Ivar 55 secs ago
@AlexeiLevenkov There are many interpretations of "but my doubt has been clear because somebody provided answer for that". 1: My issue was resolved. 2: My Question is now clear to everyone. 3: My Question was always clear, because it got an Answer. 4: My issues is now gone; It's be cleared away.. I do not think it's safe to interpret it because it leads to misunderstandings. I think the best approach is to ask for clarification. — Scratte 52 secs ago
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Please note that by closing this as a duplicate, I do not aim to dismiss your concerns. I tagged that question [status-review] almost a month ago, which should have escalated it to be reviewed directly by staff. Unfortunately, we still haven't heard anything from them. There is nothing more that moderators or community members can do here. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
@CodyGray I was trying to find already existing question. But seems that this issue is pretty old. So thank you for that. — Andrii Abramov 58 secs ago
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@CodyGray possibly OP refers to what was discussed in Can a question with an accepted answer be closed as unanswerable — gnat 17 secs ago
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Although improbable, couldn't it be that the user was removed shortly after they posted that comment? — E_net4 is downhausted 1 min ago
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@CodyGray ??? Nowhere in my post I said downvote is rude. Full stop. Read my post again carefully, please. Downvote itself is neutral, I agree. But I'm talking about the context where the downvote comes from. — Leonard 8 secs ago
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Other than this question being off-topic, because this is Meta, I can’t help but point out that you just cannot write
window.screen.height / window.screen.width == 667 / 375
— comparing floating point numbers with ===
or ==
isn’t guaranteed to work. — user4642212 1 min ago@Leonard To be fair, you were overloading the meaning of the downvote based on context. Suggesting downvotes to be accompanied with an explanation, right after accusing moderation actions of being rude, leaves the idea that you find a non-negligible amount of downvotes to be rude. This is unfounded, of course. — E_net4 is downhausted 26 secs ago
Makes sense. I'll take it. As said, decline in itself is neither surprising nor the question here. Your reasonable last argument cuts both ways: if you are to use a custom decline message, better be clear and specific, otherwise you run the risk of raising more questions. — desertnaut 26 secs ago
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Am I the only one who sees a giant middle finger flipping me off when I look at that graph? — billynoah 36 secs ago
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@DavidG - thanks for the suggestion to exclude folks who have posted a significant number of answers. Slight topic change: was there anything that you felt could have helped you when you first started answering questions? Maybe something you learned over time or discovered on your own that you think would be helpful for others who are just starting to answer questions? — Joy 1 min ago
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@Makoto: One could argue that the needle NOT moving is already a win. It could well be that without this emphasis on being welcoming things would have degraded otherwise! (Devil's advocate) — Matthieu M. 1 min ago
It's worth pointing out as a new survey has been added, this is still a thing. - Ref "Take our short survey" appears every time I open SO - ([Comment by Cody]("Take our short survey" appears every time I open SO) in relation to this request. — Lankymart 1 min ago
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@JonEricson I'm aware of that. But if I had gotten this email, I would most definitely have perceived it as a warning about an activity I had performed. I would also have interpreted the lack of repercussions for what would happen if I did not as a part of the "welcoming"-thing. Leaving me to not only not know what I did wrong, but feeling threatened. Since I spend most of my time curating and have been made aware that some of my comments have been removed due to some mishaps and false-positives from the automated flagging of unkind comments, I'd have only the option of stopping my activities. — Scratte 1 min ago
And despite what the question was not about, your arguments regarding the other answer are convincing, too; FWIW, I have just gone back and retracted my own downvote to it. — desertnaut 40 secs ago
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@CodyGray That's still not spam. Take a look at this email section of your profile. If you have that second option turned on, then you are going to receive such content; important announcements are in a separate email category. Now, if you have that second option turned off and still got such an email, then that's a valid bug report. But it doesn't make it garbage (keep in mind, one man's trash is another man's treasure). — TylerH 1 min ago
@Madara's Ghost please kindly upvote one of my questions too, I now have a question ban — GeniusGeek 57 secs ago
@GeniusGeek That is not an appropriate comment. Questions should be voted based on their own merits. Please refrain from going around asking to upvote out of mercy. — E_net4 is downhausted 23 secs ago
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For further meta discussion about this post, please ping me or any other mod in The Meta Room or on Meta Discord. — Samuel Liew ♦ just now
If you have an statement for or against above feature request, post it below. Please take any lengthy discussions to The Meta Room or Meta Discord. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
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Thanks! I think you're right, I managed to say it without 'work' and its working. — Tobias Feil 1 min ago
In addition, please make HMP have four slots no matter what. There can be 15 blog posts and podcast episodes, 25 meta.SE posts, but do not take space away from HMP. — Siguza 29 secs ago
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@Andreas-he-her-: Not sarcasm, but hyperbole. I am really in favor of restoring HMP, but not in having all the complaining all over again. — user000001 2 mins ago
@Makoto: I think the offenses at curators/maintainers are a separate topic. They would not have been appropriate even if the initiative had moved the needle. I personally think that focusing on nurturing a welcoming and respectful community is important. I do think that without active focus, things tend to degrade -- bullies and trolls thrive in "unregulated" spaces, and continuously find new ways to go skirt the rules. I also think that it's a really hard task, especially because it seems so hard to measure. Whether SE has been helping or hindering... no comment. — Matthieu M. 1 min ago
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The message you get should also specify the number of days that you need to wait before you can ask a new question. See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271542/… for some more information. — Marijn 43 secs ago
Dear users who are down voting this question, would you please bother to write a line in comment as reason of down voting ? — Khashi 37 secs ago
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436/… Other than that, do not worry, votes here do not affect your reputation on the main site. — E_net4 is downhausted 1 min ago
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@MatthieuM. that is the issue. Most would state they want a more "welcoming environment" (I know I've commented on that) but SE's effort to make this environment actually caused the needle to move in the wrong direction with its user-base. The fact that many less people took the survey and the words used by those who found it "less welcoming" points to that type of correlation. I agree, this is indicative but would need more data to be sure but there is certainly enough to see that the focus should be elsewhere (and if it really was on welcoming SE would have hired more CMs over firing them) — LinkBerest 1 min ago
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@TobiasFeil Alternately, you could make it a little longer, because your original title was just under the 40-character threshold to not trigger those title filters. — John Montgomery 29 secs ago
@LinkBerest: Actually, the fact that many less people took the survey can also be linked to the fact that it was barely advertised on SO itself, unlike prior years, as the team was looking for diversity over quantity -- measuring is hard :x — Matthieu M. 1 min ago
@MatthieuM. ? I got the same email notice & big banner bar I get every year so don't know how "barely advertised" is defined — LinkBerest 44 secs ago
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@LinkBerest: In the past years, there were banners on SO about the survey; I don't remember seeing them this year. But don't take it from me, it's mentioned directly in the results: we advertised the survey less on our own channels than in previous years and sought ways to earn responses from those who may not frequent our sites. — Matthieu M. 1 min ago
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Does this answer your question? Did I just get told off by email? If so, what did I do? — DavidPostill 1 min ago
"I understand that stackoverflow is having financial problems now, even after it was sold, and can't find a way to sustain itself." - that's interesting do you have links with info? — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
Sure, having a single repository of knowledge about problems that are widely applicable is very useful. But there plenty of problems that are not widely applicable and pertain to software that is closed source. Those small teams could still benefit from the aggregation of knowledge in a Q&A format in their own private spaces. And they don't have to set it up themselves, SO can host it for them. There's nothing wrong with charging a fee for it either. Did someone threaten to take our public Q&A away that you take such umbrage with SO pursuing other use-cases? — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 57 secs ago
I don't think "why you send promotional mail" (used as duplicate) is related to this "why do you show me ads for your other products" complain... (I suspect it is trivial to fix for each particular user as SO/SE do not prevent users from using adblockers (stackoverflow.blog/2016/10/26/…) - one can just share config for one of the blockers to hide "SO for teams" advertisment as an answer) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
Note: sending unsolicited tone deaf emails to your core community is a great way to ensure your core community ignores any future attempts. Marketing is a fine art, and a shotgun approach isn't the way to do it. — fbueckert 36 secs ago
Thinly-veiled rants about business practice decisions are not really in-scope on MSO. — TylerH 48 secs ago
"And most developers would be happy to pay this nominal fee for something which they know is an amazing service (as long as they stop all the dumb censorship)" This kind of calls for a citation. I'm not very motivated to curate or look for things to answer as it is, and haven't been for a while. Not sure how being charged money would make me more motivated. It would also be useful if you could edit to clarify which censorship. — ivarni 1 min ago
@ivarni I think OP's suggestion was more 'pay for access to the content' rather than 'pay for access to volunteer your time', though of course the two go hand in hand. An interesting thought experiment would be charging a nominal fee but allowing enough high-scoring answers to 'pay' for membership. E.g. $1 a month but if you gain enough rep in a month (say 200 or something) then you get a month free membership. The entire concept of paying flies in the face of SO's founding principles, though: "Free, always". — TylerH 45 secs ago
@TylerH I don' think having to go to the regex-tag and play FGITW on the end of every month to keep my sub free would motivate me much either :) I'd rather see the wikipedia model with donations-nagging or maybe even the odd advertisement even for higher rep levels than something that even further promotes rep-hunting. — ivarni 30 secs ago
@ivarni I doubt such a thing would promote rep-hunting beyond the amount it's already promoted (read: heavily). Make the price so low and the rep barrier so difficult that it's not worth trying to game. I definitely don't want to see more ads begging for money a la Jimmy Wales in a new format a new location with the close button hidden in a different way every day. I'd much rather hit a paywall and pay for a high-quality product. — TylerH just now
Very much agreed. HMP was how I stayed up with what was going on, now I just don't even bother as I just see that same 1-2 post every single day. Verity is the spice of life and right now life is pretty bland ;) — NathanOliver 1 min ago
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I +1'd this. I know this isn't going to be a popular comment but I want to take this opportunity to say that some users don't care that much about the "community". I should be allowed to say, and I mean no disrespect to the people concerned, that I didn't really care about the past events. Seeing the HMP being just about that was pretty much irrelevant to me. Some users use meta sites just to understand practices and find resolutions, not to engage with the community. HMP can also be useful to these people. So I agree that there should be moderation. Calling it censorship makes no sense. — customcommander 28 secs ago
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@MatthieuM. huh, missed that thanks (granted just proves my cynical self was correct) — LinkBerest 58 secs ago
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OP was briefly on the "Featured on Meta" and then disappeared again. Thanks, caching? — Michael - Where's Clay Shirky 12 secs ago
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@wim You specifically wrote "found n duplicate answers". Could you please comment about what you consider a duplicate? I seem to remember an official explanation somewhere mentioning that duplicates are duplicate questions and not duplicate answers. — Eric Duminil 19 secs ago
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another unnerving something or other, i ignored it, but you are right, it makes it harder — nbk 33 secs ago
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