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[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@reirqb saying the user only “questioned” the policy is innaccurate and a mischaracterization of the events that transpired. — George Stocker ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Twenty
Well yes, I already read about that, but IMO 20 minutes for editing a question this short seem very unlikely to me. — Twenty 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Thanks for unfreezing it. I guess we were being a little uncivil. — JL2210 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NobodyNada
"Moderator resignations have never been “feature” material — so why is this one?" Moderator resignations weren't previously featured because we had Hot Meta Posts to announce them instead. Now that HMP is gone, we have to use the featured tag to bring attention to important topics affecting the community. — NobodyNada 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@TimPost After reading Robert Harvey's update on his post, I'm starting to entertain the idea you guys are a lot less in the wrong than we think you are. She doesn't outright say it, but was Monica really "fired" because she doesn't support trans inclusion? The fact she doesn't show the comments between SO and herself would explain a whole heck of a lot, and it would explain why you would pre-maturely fire her from moderator (value set difference). Is the code of conduct change encouraging inclusivity in a way incompatible with conservative values? cont... — opa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
As much as I emotionally disagree with your answer, there's a rational behind this which is valid. — Roberrrt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Grinberg
I'm also really appalled by your logic of Caleb's post might start a religious war. By that logic shouldn't we shut down all the religious sites? — David Grinberg 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Okay, so the edit that clashed with yours was done through the Help and Improvement queue. This is one of the toughest (and most time-consuming) queues out there, which probably explains why the edit took so long. Either that or the wires got crossed between the queues (I don't know if that is possible). — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Grinberg
Featuring Robert’s post is akin to saying that all of the things alleged in his post are worthy of attention of everyone that visits a top 50 internet site in the world. I think that is pretty strong hyperbole, no? The clickthrough rate for meta links im sure is minuscule compared to actual traffic. But the clickthrough rate for community members who participate on Meta I'm sure is very high. I don't see how this is a valid reason for not featuring this post. — David Grinberg 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Twenty
So if I would want to reformat the code or something else, I should go ahead and edit the question again, even if my last one got rejected by the system? — Twenty 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@TimPost If this is what happened, you guys would get a whole lot less anger from the user base than the mess you have now. If people were forced out because they don't support trans people that is different than stack exchange is evil. Seriously consider showing something before this gets more personal with your team. If it comes out that Monica left because of conservative ideals we would be a lot less angry about pretty much everything you've done so far, including the freezing. You have no idea how much this flips the picture of you guys if this is really what happened. — opa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
I'm neutral on this question, but find George's reply here quite persuasive. That any company is willing to give as much hosting to serious, heated criticism as SO/Meta is remarkable by any standards - it isn't reasonable for folks to want to pull down the building and to be allowed to use Meta as a recruiting megaphone. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
It was made abundantly clear in the comments before you deleted them: This is not OK. You've made your opinion clear, but please go talk to the other mods before you unilaterally make a decision — Zoe the transgirl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
@DavidGrinberg if we're going for the religious war we should wait for SO to give out an official statement other than the scandalous copy-pasta answer we've seen thus far. — Roberrrt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
For what it's worth, I do think SO have painted themselves into the corner, and I admit to only knowing small fragments of the things that kicked this off. I hope more clarity - and openness - is forthcoming from the company soon. However, the folks within the company are human, like us, and experiencing anger from all sides may not help them. A bit of time to allow the dust to settle isn't a bad thing. — halfer just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@weegee technically, the moderators are in disagreement on whenever or not a post should be featured. — Braiam 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
This ability for moderators to control what sorts of posts the wider non-Meta community gets exposed to is exactly what many were afraid of with the removal of Hot Meta Posts. Even though we don't have all the information yet, it's still an important issue that affects SE users. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Well, since your edit doesn't seem to have been rejected in the usual way, it's probably safe to suggest it again. Although if (with the newer edits) the necessary changes are too superficial you should consider letting it go, as superficial edit suggestions are often a bit of a gamble in terms of review. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Twenty
Yea I thought the same, such a shame. Thanks for the help anyway! — Twenty 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StephanS
I think if we want SO to communicate with us we shouldn't jump on a post everything they reach out. — StephanS 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by scohe001
Thank you for laying out your thoughts so clearly, George. I see where you're coming from, and I'm torn. On the one hand, you're right that when I ask myself why I want this featured, the answer is because I want others to understand what's happened/happening across the network. But that's a story that we don't have all the info on. On the other hand, I almost want to at least let others know that things are not alright on the network so they can at least have some perspective at random comments on unrelated posts like this: meta.stackexchange.com/q/334046/#comment1091123_334046scohe001 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gerardo Furtado
You (actually, we) have to understand that SO is a private company. That being the case, they can paint the whole site in purple, as I like to say. This concept of "community" is, if not dead, dying, their purpose as a private company is making the biggest amount of money they can, using our voluntary work (as answerers). What I decided to do is: not participating on meta anymore and, eventually, stopping answering questions altogether. — Gerardo Furtado 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gerardo Furtado
@DavidGrinberg Indeed. And that's because, as a company, they want to make users believe that the utopian concept of "community" is alive. — Gerardo Furtado 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Grinberg
@GerardoFurtado I would be totally OK (well, a little mad, but I would understand) if Tim Post came out and said 'We as the SO company will not feature this'. This is not what happened. Tim Post said the mods have the power to feature. The mods are in disagreement. Hence we are in this silly situation. — David Grinberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
Just to be clear, my problem isn't the unfeaturing - it's how it goes unfeatured. This was done against what two other mods decided. When I say you should talk to them, I mean to find a collective solution that avoids a featured rollback war (because that's not constructive at all) and that works - whether that's re-featuring or leaving it alone. Just please don't overrule other mods because you disagree — Zoe the transgirl 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
It'll just start more fires and make people mad. We don't want suicidal (don't take that literally) users posting things like I did. — JL2210 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Zoethetransgirl you’re right. This goes into far more detail than I wish, but a mod featured it; I indicated why I disagreed and that was that. Robert edited to add the Caleb post, that is what sent me over the edge, so I unfeatured it. Another mod disagreed and thought the Caleb post was Ok and refeatured it before asking me why. I indicated why it shouldn’t be featured and de featured it. At that point Shog came in and said something very similar to one of your statements about us getting our thoughts together before acting against each other. That led to a discussion and it’s unfeatured. — George Stocker ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
I'm not sure I understand this question. Are we trying to take a moderator privilege and turn it into a popularity contest? I understand asking moderators why they made decisions, but not much beyond that. — Alexander O'Mara 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@JL2210 My point is that it's not a moderator's job to decide what's "correct" or "incorrect" - that's what voting is for. — EJoshuaS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Isn't that literally what mods are for? — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TNT
@Bergi I think the issue some see with Caleb's post is that it may suggest hostility toward certain groups of people. It's better explained here. But I do disagree that this post shouldn't be [featured] because of it, though I'm just preaching to the choir at this point... — TNT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@JL2210 No, it's exactly what they're not for - that's why we don't have moderators examine every single answer on the main site and delete all of the ones they disagree with. Correctness or incorrectness should be settled by voting, not moderation. — EJoshuaS 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco13
Admittedly, after having been "hooked to the gamification" initially, I also thought: Well, I wrote a dozen answers now - now I can just sit there and watch my rep growing. Nope. However: Sometimes, there are low-hanging fruits: A simple answer can bring 100 upvotes in one week (particularly when it reaches the threshold to appear as "answer with extreme votes" in the 10k-tools), but then the Q/A is never seen again. Other answers are more "durable" and earn a "steady income" of 2-3 upvotes per week, over several years. So ... it depends. — Marco13 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
See my answer for a compromise. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Why the downvote? — JL2210 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
Thanks for sharing the details though. It's a lot better than flying in the dark. — Zoe the transgirl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco13
You're focusing a lot on the longer time that others have spent here. But there are other factors. It certainly depends on the tag. You'd rather earn 50k with JavaScript than with COBOL. And then there are "hype questions": As soon as a Q/A appears in the HNQ or the "extreme votes"-section of the 10k-tools, the upvotes can easily go hyperbolic. (I think that usually, answers that cause a steady stream upvotes are more valuable assets, but that's just MHO) — Marco13 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Strangely time-correlated with this post. The September effect? — Peter Mortensen 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Locking the question would make the featured state quite pointless. It can't be discussed, it just "is"... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Exactly. It's the best option for both parties, us and the mods. People who don't yet know about it will know without jumping into a rabbit hole. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What is a "moderatorial"? — Peter Mortensen 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Thanks for the compromise. Guess I was going a little too far in your direction. — JL2210 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@Cerbrus See edit. — JL2210 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
Seems like a reasonable compromise to me. Another possibility is to move the link to Caleb's post to the comments section and then feature it. — EJoshuaS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
I didn't read this when I first downvoted this. After reading all of it, it seems reasonable. Could you fix a typo so I could upvote? — JL2210 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Marco13 you are still capped to 200 points from votes, so a HNQ “hit” doesn’t get you more than a few hundred points. That’ll never get you to 50k, you can’t bank on finding more HNQ hits to get you there. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
I don’t know if I had any typos @jl2210 but I’ll restate something. And done. — George Stocker ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
I just fished out this link to put it in your answer and you already put it in there. Darn. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47441946#47441946JL2210 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Voting to close as off-topic. It's been fixed. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@Zoethetransgirl Ah -- during the freeze, you changed your name. Thanks for clarifying. — JL2210 1 min ago
 

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