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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
@jpmc26 Only those who hold the offensive belief that anyone who sees a therapist must be mentally ill. We tend to make an exception in those cases, for obvious reasons. — Alexander O'Mara 13 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Dvorak
@Zoethetransgirl I've come just after the freezing so I had no chance to see jpmc's message, Would it be useful to include the [crucial bits of] it here? — John Dvorak 14 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Zoethetransgirl It was only offensive if you consider it offensive to present a particular line of reasoning, with which you might have disagreed. I made no personal attack. I made no insinuation about a trans person being inferior. I used no epithet or swear word or insulting term. I merely said it was not in their own best interest. — jpmc26 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
The problem is that people are choosing the platform they control to err dissent against them, which implies, they'll obviously try to put a plug on it. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 12 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@jpmc26 I have no idea what you actually said, and it doesn't matter. The Meta Chatroom is not the place for calm philosophical debates about transgenderism. Go to CMV on reddit if you want that. — opa 13 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MattR
So now a handful of comments (with quite a few upvotes) have been deleted. 1 - sketchy. 2 - any explanation? — MattR 14 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
The irony is that the answer in this post has been locked too. — Script47 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Félix Gagnon-Grenier
Heh. Sadly, they now are short of staff due to the extremely authoritarian nature of imposing views on other people so, we'll have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to come up with more bodies to delete all the comments that voice concern or disagreement. — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vxdcxw
candidates get an email address from the school as soon as they pass the first exam, then there is a 1 month event they must success before they get their student status. This email address is part of the core of the pedagogy. They cannot use it to send mail, but they can subscribe to many services. One solution would be to grant students who pass the final exam a new email address, but it would also break many other services and add complexity for moderators. — vxdcxw 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@BhargavRao yeh the room was doing well despite the difficult subject matter - we even got through that hey. Do they realise they're closing people out? It's like watching a site collapse — Yvette Colomb 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cereal
@Zoethetransgirl No one can control how they feel, and people will invariably get offended. But you can't have a conversation about sensitive topics without offending someone. We can make tremendous progress towards understanding each other by continuing the conversation without letting our emotions dictate the rest. The problem there is it's just so damn hard to do that. — Cereal 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@opa Okay. That's fair. Should I flag Yvette's message abut being supportive, then? — jpmc26 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
As mentioned in some other comment section here (too lazy to find it), freezing the room was overkill. — Zoe the transgirl 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Dvorak
@jpmc26 I do suggest postponing this topic until calmer times. — John Dvorak 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
If somebody deems something offensive, the ability to flag stuff exists. Freezing an entire room because of the action of a few is a rash overreaction to something that could've been solved with surgical message removals. — Sébastien Renauld 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@Cereal When it ends up being nuked my multiple users and mods agree it's offensive, the approach is wrong. — Zoe the transgirl 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@Cereal Nope. Chat flags are visible in all rooms for all users. — Zoe the transgirl 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@Cereal How is that a problem? If a non-zero number of users flag something then it might deserve attention. The flag isn't an auto-removal. It's there to signal a problem with a message. — Sébastien Renauld 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@SébastienRenauld Eh. I dunno if I agree with that. Once something controversial starts, it can be hard to put a lid on it. — jpmc26 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cereal
@Zoethetransgirl Unfortunately, flags only work to the negative. If 100 people are in the room, and I offend 10 people, only those 10 can voice their opinion in the form of a flag. — Cereal 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Dvorak
The room is unfrozen now. Thanks to @ngn for noticing. — John Dvorak 14 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@jpmc26 If the context of the support was in a debate about transgender identity, then sure both of your comments could be removed. Otherwise, no, stating "I knew a trans person and they had issues they had to deal with, it was bad!" is not any worse than stating "I knew a person who faced adversity and they had issues they had to deal with, it was bad!". — opa 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
@BhargavRao I don't think it's that obvious -- it obviously varies from the expectations a lot of people here had. I expect that out of Facebook or something, but I never started using Facebook under the banner of a community building something together. I never thought of posting on Facebook as donating my time to build a library of knowledge that I have a stake in. — Chris Baker 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Haven't we learned from the whole welcoming discussion that with our Code of Conduct, we don't base inappropriateness off of what the author meant to say, but by the way the recipient took it? If jpmc26 took it to mean that Tim was implying that person is suffering from mental illness, the response shouldn't be to ridicule or deny jmpc26's feelings, it should be to apologize. — Davy M 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rlemon
@BhargavRao if that's the case, no more hiding behind the guise of listening or being open to discussion (and I'm not talking about the trolls, but people want to have a serious discussion around this.). Staff meeting that head on with locking discussion will leave people with no where to vent frustration constructivly. This won't stop trolling, this will exacerbate it. — rlemon 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
It's back! Too bad the employee post is locked, I wanted to reverse my vote :] — Zoe the transgirl 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@jpmc26 Even if it was, putting a lid on it by freezing the room just means you've pissed off whatever neutral members of the conversation you had, and redirected the anger somewhere else, which may not be apparent until later. — Sébastien Renauld 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@SébastienRenauld In chat, flags are auto-removal once you get a few of them. Auto-ban as well. — jpmc26 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@JohnDvorak the post was edited. If a post is edited, you can change your vote if you want — Zoe the transgirl 14 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ζ--
FWIW The post still appears on "featured on meta" in the sidebar, even after hard refresh from my end. I too would like to find out more about why it got featured by another mod before being unfeatured in its current state. — ζ-- 14 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
@JohnDvorak It's been edited, so votes can be changed now if people desire to. I don't. — Davy M 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Kugelman
Why are you deleting comments? Respectfully, could you refrain from censoring this discussion? The heavyhanded modding of this thread is aggravating. — John Kugelman 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Dvorak
@Zoethetransgirl even if it wasn't locked, you'd be faced with the five-minute votelock. — John Dvorak 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
I suspect there will be no apologies today, about this or anything else. — Chris Baker 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HDE 226868
I'm curious as to what the mod team's stance on featuring this is. I've seen a number of different mods feature and un-feature it (besides Tim, of course), and I was wondering if there's indeed a unified position on it. Given the revision history, I can't tell if George's removal is on behalf of the mod team, or George's own decision. I'm hoping for a little clarification, if y'all have the time. — HDE 226868 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StephanS
I agree with what Tim post said but Tim's execution didn't raise to the level of moderator, there's no way I could read this message without a dismissive or hurtful tone. — StephanS 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
for the record I didn't flag your comment. I think it's better not to discuss the ins and outs of it. I was simply putting forward a kindness strategy. — Yvette Colomb 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@jpmc26 Agreed. I've done so. It's regrettable that while we want inclusiveness, a taboo is still very much present here. — Erik A 16 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by canon
I'm glad this post was featured long enough that I was able to see it in the sidebar; I might have missed it otherwise. It's a pity that SE seems to want to bury things like this. — canon 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@jpmc26 Erik's comment doesn't argue for either side. Yours argued, which would've reignited the discussion. But please just let it go. — Zoe the transgirl 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@Zoethetransgirl I can't change my vote, still says that locked stuff? — opa 15 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@MartijnPieters Thanks. FWIW, I don't want quick answers - the more thought out they are, the better. — Brandon_J 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
I would like to know if the message you're referring to was mine or not, because I emphatically do not think mine included either of those things. Especially a racial epithet. (I do not need any details of what it contained if you're not referring to my own. I am merely trying to understand if I'm being accused of something.) — jpmc26 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Take into account that this is affecting a lot of sites and the CM team is working overtime to handle communications, having started this weekend, talking to moderators. Don't expect answers immediately, Stack Overflow is not the only site. I feel that this is also a redundant post, given that there are already other posts here on Meta about the same subject, like Robert's resignation. Posting yet another post is only going to make matters worse as the number of posts proliferate. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@opa the edit lets you change the vote, but you can't vote on locked posts. you should be able to change it when it's unlocked (I think). But yeah, the lock overrides the edit, not much to do about that. — Zoe the transgirl 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@MartijnPieters I'm confused. My first post on MSO was asking for the users' POV. This one is intended to ask for the company's. My logic for making this additional post is the same as it was for my first one. A single place for answers. — Brandon_J 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
Okay, fair enough. Get some rest, I have the feeling You're going to need it, unfortunately @MartijnPieters — Luuklag 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Brandon_J: you are actually quite late to this; there are posts up on Meta and many other meta.SE sites already. Central: Firing mods and forced relicensing: is Stack Exchange still interested in cooperating with the community?Martijn Pieters ♦ 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StephanS
The insinuation that a racial epithet was allowed to go unchecked in that room is repulsive to the users moderatoring the room. — StephanS 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@jpmc26 I was there and saw the comment. It wasn't yours. — Modus Tollens 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
Thank you. I appreciate you responding. — jpmc26 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
If you are leaving, just do so. Making soapboxed announcements about leaving at this point is only making you look incendiary. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@ErikA Thank you for being understanding in spite of our disagreement. Your attitude is what I once believed the SO Be Nice policy was supposed to be encouraging. — jpmc26 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@jpmc26 No, I'm not referring to any of your messages. — TylerH 21 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Neely
@ζ-- the featured box is subject to heavy caching. It can be hours out of date, and is totally unable to handle something like an edit war on the tag. — Dan Neely 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
sorry it didn't work out well. I have to go to bed, but we can talk more tomorrow. Take care — Yvette Colomb 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Note that there are still CMs working very hard to help the communities through this, and I trust at least them. Leave when they start to leave. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sagar V
@Brandon_J you're a member for 9 months. unlike most of the other communities, nobody, ever called you a noob or trolled or insulted you because people are out there actively flagging such comments and the mods who warns and bans such people. It's not simply a site. Most of us spent hours every day to keep the site clean. It's like a family, It's like a friend circle. It's not just a site. It's an emotion. Because we, the members and the mods worked really hard. All of us hope that the recent incidents will be solved asap. But the company isn't telling anything. That's the problem hereSagar V 22 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
You are choosing to give them access to a service which they can cause some harm with (from needing to take action to undo what they may do) so Stack Exchange should take time away from other features to add back in something that by the vary nature of the service shouldn't be needed? — Joe W 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ζ--
@MartijnPieters Question since I'm honestly not sure of details re. the CM position: Are CMs directly financially compensated by Stack Exchange? That needs to be taken into account in assessing whether CMs leaving/not leaving is indicative of an issue/a lack of an issue, respectively. — ζ-- 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@StephanS It didn't go unchecked. The message was deleted, the user was suspended, and the room was frozen. — TylerH 22 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@SagarV I know that I have no authority. But that's why I'm asking. Nothing I do or say is of much consequence here. Perhaps I'm being naive, but I wanted to make it very clear to SO that I want to hear their side, with no history on either side of this discussion, and maybe they'll recognize that. If I'm out of line, please close the question with the understanding that I'm doing this in good faith. — Brandon_J 23 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@SagarV I see the work, too. That's why I care enough to make this post. — Brandon_J 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
@Martijn I don't blame anyone who wants to state why they are leaving, nor will I discourage them from doing so. Many people have simply vanished and nothing has changed for the better as a result. When Makoto took a break from Meta a few months back, he was told he was wrong to put his reason for taking a break in any place besides Meta (he posted it to Medium with a link in his network profile). — Davy M 21 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@MartijnPieters I saw the MSE post, and my reasoning was A. it's on MSE, not MSO and B. it seemed at least somewhat interested in hearing commentary from people outside the company rather than the company itself. — Brandon_J 22 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sagar V
Hey, don't feel that way bro. I'm not talking about authority. Everyone started at some point. What I'm trying to say is, unlike other communities, new users were never feel shy or afraid of doing something here. We always wanted them to feel safe and we put a lot of efforts in it. The Mods put 10 or 20x more efforts than any of us — Sagar V 23 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sagar V
Community Managers, usually respond in any issues but here, they can't do that because it's an issue, the director, their boss involved. In this case, the company may take days to issue a statement. — Sagar V 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@opa It think it was. Especially since it's a follow up to this. Specifically, it was an attempt to argue against the applicability of free speech principles. So how do you draw the line about what's appropriate to debate and what isn't? — jpmc26 23 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@jpmc26 If you think all of those comments are in context to debate, fine, but I'm not a moderator, so pointing that out to me is pointless. — opa 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy
@ζ-- Yes, CMs are Stack Exchange (Stack Overflow) employees. Diamond moderators are unpaid volunteers. — Andy ♦ 22 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@SagarV I am a patient man. And also, in a very real way I don't have the authority of experience, and I fully recognize that. I've not been agonized by every twist in the conflict. That's why I'm trying to appeal to those who have. — Brandon_J 22 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ζ--
@Andy Got it, thanks for letting us know. — ζ-- 21 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
And who's saying I'm not trying to be incendiary? They disrespect us and they expect respect back? I don't think so. — JL2210 21 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
I am definitely not posting any answers or doing any content moderation tasks until SE bothers to address the obviously controversial actions, and demonstrates a return to respect for the people who made the content on this site. I give it a few weeks, then i will probably start transferring my answers to a private blog and blanking them here. — Chris Baker 22 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@opa I asked you because you seemed to be trying to answer my question about how I could have done better or why I shouldn't have said it. So to understand your answer to that, I need to understand how it applies (or doesn't) to the rest of the conversation. — jpmc26 23 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tweray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bitnine
Would telling someone to "see a therapist" in any other context even remotely pass the CoC? I am surprised to see it considered an acceptable comment. — bitnine 17 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Zabroski
@PeterMortensen Yes. — John Zabroski 20 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DForck42
what crisis???? — DForck42 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meagar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meagar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
@Zoethetransgirl good to hear. Thanks for letting me know! — Brandon_J 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@YvetteColomb Thank you. — JL2210 18 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
Take a breather and come back tomorrow. We all get ratty under this pressure. You did the right thing deleting that post. — Yvette Colomb 19 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
@bitnine How about a situation like this. Person: "I'm having trouble in my marriage?" Friend: "Maybe you should see a therapist?" I really just don't see the problem with suggesting someone see a therapist to help them work out issues they take with other people. — Alexander O'Mara 14 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
I was just made aware of their intended response time a few moments ago. Also, I wasn't hoping for any speculation at all - "I want to hear from you, not commentary from those outside of the company." Thanks for your answer, though - it's still a good thing to hear (definitely no plans for pitchforks here)! Also, if SO answers via blog or MSE, I'll make sure to post a self-answer here. — Brandon_J 12 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MikeTheLiar
As near as I can tell, no less than three distinct debates are happening everywhere this is being discussed. Some of which are useful and some of which...aren't. At this point the damage has been done, and I suspect SO LLC is waiting for tempers to die down a little bit before making any sort of official announcement. — MikeTheLiar 12 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bitnine
@AlexanderO'Mara My apologies if it was unclear, but I meant bringing it up in a manner not apropos to the discussion at hand. As a parallel example, I would not suggest that someone take some continuing education course on reading comprehension if I felt they misinterpreted one of my statements. There is an underlying message, even if I could blithely state that I don't see the big deal with people taking courses to improve themselves. — bitnine 11 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
@bitnine Yes, context is very important. Tim made it clear for what purpose he was suggesting seeing a therapist, and it wasn't to imply a mental illness. — Alexander O'Mara 9 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lamak
@MikeTheLiar considering that they didn't take that time before an SE employee responded (thus, making it quite official), I think that the damage has been done by themselves, sadly — Lamak 6 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Baker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bitnine
@AlexanderO'Mara Neither of my comments have referenced mental illness at all, purposefully so. Do you really see no issue with telling someone they should talk to a therapist instead when they are making an unrelated point? Do you really think that is - putting aside any notion of mental illness - something that should be in the range of possible public responses to an individual? Especially with the new focus on welcoming that has been put forth? — bitnine 5 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
@bitnine If there's a reason you think it's a problem, don't beat around the bush, just say it. — Alexander O'Mara 4 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brandon_J
I'd like to reiterate before this comment chain goes too far (it hasn't yet) - I'm not looking for any sort of commentary, suspicions, or analysis of SO's actions that don't come from a representative of SO, the company. — Brandon_J 5 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by luk2302
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
I'm just tired. — Yvette Colomb 5 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bitnine
@AlexanderO'Mara If a person's statements are incorrect, they should be responded to with correct information. If inappropriate, the rules should be stated or moderator action taken. Telling someone they should talk to a therapist is a response to them as an individual and their emotional or mental state. That is not an appropriate response. It should not be the focus of a response, period. It beggars the imagination that it would not be flagged and acted upon if done almost anywhere else that I can think of. It is nearly comical to envision that comment surviving unflagged in the wild. — bitnine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StephanS
this is an actual question not a troll — StephanS 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
@GeorgeStocker While I don't think there's anything inflammatory about Caleb's post, and there seems to be a moderator edit war on whether this should be featured, would you mind featuring the more neutral meta.SE topic instead? This incident is clearly relevant to the community. — Bergi 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
@bitnine It wasn't directed at an individual though. It was an, 'if you have this problem, consider this solution' recommendation, but it doesn't belong here. — Alexander O'Mara 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bitnine
@AlexanderO'Mara As comments are not for extended discussions, I will be discontinuing this exchange here, while managing to refrain from hypothetically opining about your emotional state. — bitnine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
That would only have meaning if you could identify a problem in the first place... — Alexander O'Mara 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@bitnine In my experience, it's best to ignore Alexander O'Mara as much as possible. In the best case, you'll leave frustrated. In the worst case, you'll be driven into saying something you regret. — jpmc26 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by criticalfix
And I will say it again: I'm leaving. Routing around ... — criticalfix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@ChrisBaker I rather strongly disagree that it was "ableist." There was no insult nor insinuation about those facing mental illnesses. Rather, what it was suggesting was that my position (which I hold at least somewhat rationally; I even gave an actual reason for it) comes from a mental defect that requires treatment to cure. I find this insulting not because there's something wrong with mental illness, but because it insinuates that my mental faculties are necessarily defective and that any position I hold should be dismissed as wholly unreasonable and beneath consideration. — jpmc26 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@ChrisBaker Having stated it that way, it now smacks disturbingly of suggesting that institutionalizing people for holding those views might be considered acceptable. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
What's your feedback? Do you have specific things you wanna discuss, or is this just a generic rant? — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It is unclear what exactly you are trying to ask about, and i see no connection between what you are asking about and everything in the question itself. It looks like you just threw words at the form and hit submit. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marcelo Filho
-3 and 2 close, and no reply so far, lets count... nobody want to talk but dictate over other opinions! — Marcelo Filho 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
@Zoethetransgirl No doubt that means 6 to 8 weeks — j08691 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Neely
I still have no idea what you're trying to say :( — Dan Neely 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
@j08691 assume good faith. They know lying will make things worse - I've started doubting that their intention is to kill off the community — Zoe the transgirl 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marcelo Filho
why "How to display other app in SurfaceView?" is not an title and "How to display other app in surface view?" is once SurfaceView is a component hint... SO is becoming a squared place to share doubts and ask help meanwhile the lifetime problems still there! — Marcelo Filho 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M.A.R.
I think it's best if you narrow down your criticism to something actionable. At the moment, it's discernible that you do not like the aggressive title filter, the flood of low quality posts, and that legitimate questions don't receive attention, but "I don't like" doesn't really provide any suggestions on what to improve and change. — M.A.R. 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Are you saying that some titles on the main site are of poor quality? Or are you talking about the automatic title filter that refuses to use some titles? — halfer 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I've made an attempt to clarify what you're asking based on your comment but it may need more work/explanation still in order to be reopened. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
TylerH’s depiction of events is accurate. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander O'Mara
No, it's a cosmic leap to go from suggesting seeing a therapist to "institutionalizing people" — Alexander O'Mara 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marcelo Filho
What else do you need? SO has being focus on post and title standards plus tons of tutorials "how to post", "how to title", "how to bla bla bla"... But daily you can reach abandoned questions, meanleas questions and answers and so on... For example you just, as a big fat dictator just edited my question without even understand just copying and pasting something that Ive commented, its pointless sorry — Marcelo Filho 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tyler Roper
I'm not a 50k rep user so I cannot speak to that specifically, but answering questions is the key. The more you answer, the more rep you get. Additionally, your chances of answering a question that "blow up" are higher as well. If you answer the right question with a good answer and get a few hundred upvotes, well that's a quick 1k+ rep right there. — Tyler Roper 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Justin Time
While I understand your concerns, I feel that in this case it may be significantly more respectful to share specifics, considering the extreme negative response and extreme level of damage this decision has done to Stack Exchange as a whole. If the decision was valid, then considering the user base's overall negative opinion, the only way to prove this will likely be to describe the thought process leading up to it to the users. — Justin Time 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Perform the actions that result in the most rep gain - answering questions. Some will give you rep, others won't, but if you aren't answering, you're not investing in the long-term rep gains of your account. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I outsourced everything ... even my Meta participation ... — rene 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's hard to gain 1k+ rep from a single post due to the daily rep caps, it's more important to have a whole lot of answers that will gain upvotes over time rather than one big influx of upvotes on a single post. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Time, mostly. Write good answers, improve over time, make them as helpful as possible and just have patience. Eventually the focus on rep disappears and you just answer. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tyler Roper
@KevinB That's true, but on popular questions, the upvotes seem to trickle in for days/weeks. Having a few of these can certainly provide a "steady income" :) Note that I do not disagree with your point about answering plenty of questions being more important. — Tyler Roper 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vince
The most frustrating thing for me is when I spend the time to craft an answer, then the user comments "Thanks, this totally fixed my issue!" without upvoting or accepting my answer. I'm not in it for the "thanks"! lol — Vince 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by duplode
As a regular(ish) user of the room who watched the situation unfold, I corroborate this answer. — duplode 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The most rep comes from answers that are useful to not just the op, but future visitors on questions that future visitors will be able to find. I'm still getting upvotes on answers from 6+ years ago — Kevin B 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vxdcxw
I'm not requesting this feature over another. I feel like this feature could help teams with a setup similar to our. I may be wrong, that's why I'm asking. If I don't explain my situation, who will know ? — vxdcxw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
As someone who has handled a lot of crisis management, I'd reconsider this answer. — Roberrrt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@Trilarion: modmails work on an once-only reply. So, you have the right to reply after a message, and then you can no longer add anything until another mod message has been received. I can see why it might work like this - a disgruntled user could fill up a mod inbox very quickly. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Richard
Have you tried posting good, well researched questions and answers? If you do that lots, you'll get lots of points. — Richard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
In addition, this hasn't aged well: stackoverflow.blog/2019/07/18/…Roberrrt 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
My first 20k rep came very quickly, over the course of a year or so. After that, I became far less active due to the lack of a "goal" to go after. There were no new privileges to unlock. so, I transitioned to using the privileges I had unlocked and just allowed the rep to roll in from all of those answers i posted previously. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@jpmc26 Perhaps this is the disconnect: therapy is not just for people whose mental faculties are defective. "Normal" people go to therapy all the time. There are also many forms of therapy. Food therapy, retail therapy, outdoor therapy, gossiping, etc. are all therapeutic. Therapy is for people who want help with navigating their thoughts or actions, either just to unpack or to change them; it's not for "defective" anything. BTW, all good therapists (e.g. MHTs) also have their own therapists, if that tells you anything. — TylerH 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vince
Thanks for the snark, @Richard. 🙄 — Vince 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Richard
If someone comes up with a better solution, I'm all ears — Richard 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nkosi
Slow and steady wins the race. Answer what you can when you can. Bounty hunting on topics you have experience in helps. 2 - 4 good answers in a day coupled with passive votes can reach your daily cap most times. I started off just like you 4yrs ago and gradually answered what I knew. It also helped reinforce what I was working on in work and in some cases helped me solve problems with projects while answering a question. — Nkosi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
"There is no prohibition against you sharing what was said in a moderator message". Proven by regexformat.com (direct link: regexformat.com/slngone.htm) — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
plus it allows the user to have the last word most of the time: if the moderator replies, the user can reply again... Sometimes we want to spare ourselves from extended discussions. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nkosi
Also important is to learn when to take a step back. If too focused on not gaining rep on recent posts it can take its toll (so I'm told ;)). Taking a day or two away and return to potential votes helps re-motivate. And just because some questions already have answers does not mean that you can't improve on what is already there if you have a viable alternative. — Nkosi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@TylerH Therapy is nonetheless necessarily a corrective measure for some sort of mental problem. It's definitely not the solution to a belief held rationally, no matter how wrong you think the belief is or how incomplete you think the logic is. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user9161
@Roberrrt “About three months in, on a Friday afternoon, we introduced a new company-wide policy that I felt was relatively benign.” (Spoiler: It wasn’t) — user9161 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@jpmc26 No, that's not a correct description of psychotherapy. It's not about correcting a problem so much as it is about making sense of things or even just offloading stress. Yes, having a mental illness reduces your mental health, but having imperfect health and seeking to better it does not mean you have an illness. You don't get the flu vaccine only when you have the flu, and you don't go get an annual physical only after you've had a broken bone or physical illness. You can be in fine physical health and still want to improve it in some way. The same is true for mental health. — TylerH 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
Please be aware that user @Tim Post has also removed the feature tag, thus the removal of the featured tag was not done by one user alone. Also, Tim is staff, so I suppose he can ultimately veto this edit war anyway. — Roberrrt 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberrrt
Missed that, roger. — Roberrrt 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Grinberg
@Roberrrt His reasoning for the removal (I think since deleted) was that he didn't want Rob himself to feature it, since he resigned. He wanted some other mod to do it (which happened). I didn't want to get into all the nitty gritty details, so I left that one out. — David Grinberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
Amazing how stackexchange has changed so much. The places true colors are being shown! — JonH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The control to prevent something like this being featured is the "why" behind why we no longer have an HMQ box. The Featured Question box isn't meant to be used as a platform to criticize the company or it's actions, regardless of how strongly you I or anyone else feels about the topic. — Kevin B 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@TylerH "making sense of things" or needing to "offload stress" are problems to be solved. Holding a belief and wanting to discuss it in a venue that is affected by an opposing one is still definitively not in the same category. — jpmc26 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Grinberg
@KevinB Is it not meant to discuss critical community events? I frankly don't care about the latest burnination request. I do care about the army of moderators leaving. — David Grinberg 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nikita Sokolsky
@Zoethetransgirl this is just a corporate representative with zero real authority. They're probably just as frustrated but they're not authorized to give out a a response without a green light from management :) And management is probably holding meetings as we speak to see how to best deal with it or just hoping it will go away. — Nikita Sokolsky 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I agree with that sentiment, and hate that we lost HMQ, but the fact remains, that's why we lost it. Shoving this into the featured post area is likely to result in less control over that area. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Disagreement isn't hate. I don't hate anybody. — jpmc26 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races in Orbit
To be fair, I don't know why you thought expressing such hate would go well. Funny, since you're the one who just a few hours ago had a go at me for saying the word "Trumpist". You literally can't make this $h!t up. — Lightness Races in Orbit 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
That is why HMP was removed? Tim Post stated that its up to mods now to decide weather this is featured or not, the mods are not in agreement and they surely don’t want an edit conflict. I’ll state that we should leave things as they are, the post has already gotten enough attention. Let the company formulate a response. — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races in Orbit
No, but hate is hate. And our irreconcilable difference about that aside, surely you can see the hilarious irony of this situation c.f. the link I just provided. I objectively deployed an analogy with a well-known political strategy, which you suggested was a bad idea in this climate. Then you offended the fundamental identity of every transgender person. Hmm. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races in Orbit
@jpmc26 I maintain that "making a joke at the expense of a particular politician" (which, I'll say again, is not what I did) is not even close to what you did. But I am gathering that I shall not be able to make you realise that. Have a good evening! — Lightness Races in Orbit 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You made a joke at the expense of a particular politician. I expressed a deeply held belief that influences my actions and at least makes the policy in question difficult. Those are not the same thing. Maybe I should have been more careful about how I expressed it, or maybe I should have taken a different tact entirely. Those are possible. Nonetheless, the situations are emphatically not equivalent. And I didn't flag your message, either. No one did. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OrangeDog
@Roberrrt Tim removed it because it was originally featured by Rob. He said it's up to the (remaining) mods to decide. — OrangeDog 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by reirab
@GeorgeStocker I would suggest that firing a long-respected moderator for questioning (not violating, but merely asking questions about) "a policy that isn't even written down yet" has much more to do with the community's response than any particular political or religious view. So far, the only even borderline disrespectful discussion I've seen about anything political or religious were Aza's comments on Caleb's post. Whether it's this post or the one Bergi linked, respectfully, I'd like to request that at least one of these be featured. This is important to the community. — reirab 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
When a suggested edit is already pending the "edit" link sends you to the edit review item. These clashes can probably only happen if both of you were making the edits at the same time. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
 

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