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10:00 PM
Facebook does share user data though.. that's one of the entire points of FB
 
rip from the inside
@Loktar but with other users, not with companies
 
@Loktar not outside of their own servers though, allegedly
 
@Neoares unless those companies are users, and sometimes also just for fun
 
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@Loktar lmao
 
10:01 PM
ohh man I wanna see that pic the one guy just wow'd over
 
even if they did force you to stay in the FB tools and use groups, you can get crazy specific with them
 
alright, break time. Time to go home
 
@ssube that's a classic
 
one of the best
 
@ndugger how do games, or any other integrated apps store data then?
 
10:02 PM
also disproves every rebuttal zuck has managed to stumble over
 
if you use fb to create an account for example
they tell you what info will be shared
I mean I'm not even against it
 
they store it in the cloud
don't worry about the details
 
I'm against people assuming they have any sort of privacy on a platform they don't own lol
 
also, it's time to gtfo and go home
 
see ya man
 
10:03 PM
bye bros
 
🚽
 
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^ nothing digital is private unless it's your server and it's airgapped
 
that's users opting into sharing with a specific app, as opposed to bulk demographics and data mining of everyone that they were talking about with the ad buying thing
 
@Luggage right but FB is providing that ability and is the platform doing it
 
@Loktar if average users had a clue how much privacy they actually have on the internet..
 
10:04 PM
so it's not just on "their" servers is my point
 
Hello Everyone
 
@MuhammadAhsan Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
hello
 
though in facebook it's at least a little bit more obvious, and people still don't
 
@IanC I think some are maybe waking up, who knows though
I mean in reality what does it even matter?
 
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10:05 PM
@IanC They wouldn't even understand why they'd care. Average users don't give a single fuck about this FB noise lol
 
if the reward is worth the risk of sharing data do it
 
@Loktar I think people are just starting to understand the risk tho
and some are unhappy
 
so people playing candy crush send them data, but this is more about how a company would go about targeting users without them opting into any app. like just select * from users where will_get_pissed_about_this = 1
 
i think some are unhappy because their favorite news station says they should be
 
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SNapchat tracks you down to 9ft or whatever by default, without asking, and posts it to a easily accesible real time map
 
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10:06 PM
Nobody cares tho.
 
@KevinB nahh, facebook is their news :D
 
^
 
right
 
lol true
 
and how many facebook posts recently have been about deleting facebook?
:p
 
10:06 PM
I bet marks team knows
 
quite a few
idk I stopped using it and deleted it off of my phone, totally unrelated to this though
I was just spending too much time on it and for no benefit to myself
 
I never put it on my phone because I heard of the shit show it was causing (battery and all that)
 
i use it to see what people are up to, i don't post or anything
 
but then again, I made my account a few months ago for the 3d printing group
so..
 
Mar 9 at 16:58, by Loktar
god man I need to delete facebook
lol when I decided
 
10:07 PM
but don't you all worry, there's still one company that respects user privacy: Google
 
I have dramatically dropped my usage since
 
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Rlemon's account can be removed whenever if you just flag it for lying about his name
 
@IanC LOL
 
no free service is going to keep all of our data 100% private, they make money off of that data
 
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They get on those within the day haha
 
10:08 PM
@Jhawins heh yea
it's actually annoying as hell making a fake facebook account
 
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Require you to provide a legal document to prove it
 
ohh no. I'll have to create a new account and wait 2 hours to get approved to the group!
 
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Nobody is going to do that. So you lose the account
 
I have like 9 friends. all users from this room :P
 
omg, I just found out github shows your code to everyone
 
10:08 PM
@Luggage not all of it :P
 
@Luggage psh I pay for private!
 
payed private baby
 
but I bet the employees look and laugh
 
I also pay for private, but.. that didn't help my joke
 
what I hate about private repos is your activity log doesn't show the activity
 
10:09 PM
oh, your 'contribution' graph?
 
yea
most of my stuff is private, but it looks like I never do anything heh
 
@Loktar fuck man, you'll never be able to hire towc now.
 
@Loktar Better than if it did
 
wish it just showed activity but just masked the name or something
@rlemon dude I know :(
 
Think about how easy it would be to game the system
 
10:10 PM
@KendallFrey it already is
 
@KendallFrey can't you already?
 
you can generate a fake activity log if you want
 
there is software to make your contribution graph show pictures
 
I just want my real one is all
 
10:10 PM
@Loktar well if all your contributions are public, then no, not really
 
someone who used to be in this room wrote one of them
 
@Luggage omg dude
 
@Loktar how
 
you're a hero
like @rlemon said you can make pictures
 
@Luggage well shit
 
10:11 PM
@KendallFrey @Loktar ^
dude who used to come here often wrote that
 
@Loktar those involve actual visible commits though
 
yeah but it's stilll gaming the system right?
 
does the contribution show up if you delete the repo?
 
I mean it's not even like it's useful or anything, I just like looking at my own activity
 
@Loktar yeah but not invisibly
 
10:12 PM
yeah but who cares? I mean activity isn't actually used for anything important
 
@Loktar So that's what you do on a lazy Monday night...
 
it would be like me inflating hours played in steam games
 
ha
 
oh don't get me started on that
 
in the end it doesn't matter, but I like to see what my hours are :P
 
10:13 PM
contributions still show up if your repo is forked, but you deleted it
bingo bango, gamification achieved.
 
still public though
just getting more obscure
 
you're obscure
channeling my inner dugger
 
man, mark has such good posture.
 
hold it in
 
I'll give him that
dudes straight as an arrow
 
10:14 PM
@Luggage good idea.
@rlemon easy when you're a lizard and have a tail to balance with
 
I wish the audio was balanced. the chat pings are killing me
 
@rlenom
 
Can't you reduce it in winblows
 
@ShrekOverflow yep
 
too much work
 
10:15 PM
probably not in Linux though
 
@rlemon say what?
 
@Loktar linux probably a hell lot more 😃
 
need to recompile the kernel
 
because who writes features for 2% of 2% of users /s
 
Mac, you need to pay $40.00
 
10:16 PM
@ShrekOverflow there is a USB-C adapter for it
 
@rlemon where's the live stream?
 
@Loktar people like me who get pissed off. :P
 
@Luggage LOL
 
10:17 PM
@Loktar it exists in Linux - askubuntu.com/questions/513748/…
mac is the only outlier here
 
in *Ubuntu
isn't that what the unwashed public uses for linux now?
not the cool kids
 
Yup.
 
@ShrekOverflow so much more
 
I felt like Ubuntu had a real shot, I never kept up with what happened though
 
the number of options for audio mixing is just stupid
 
10:19 PM
hell
 
I just saw it fall out of favor
 
@Loktar they went nuts
 
what? ubuntu is still used
 
@Loktar it's one of the two most used distros
 
tried to re-do everything in ubunto
 
10:19 PM
the unwashed masses are what matters
 
he sure looks tense...
 
and then now going back to sahred stuff
 
well, 3 if you include debian
 
well, I mean fall out of favor with the cool kids
 
10:19 PM
the cool kids are fickle
 
I think the current cool one is Elementary
 
heh, is it because it gained popularity?
 
kind of like when your fav underground band does
 
debian/ubuntu and redhat/centos are the only serious ones, i think
 
10:20 PM
it's nice, and happens to be ubuntu-based
 
@ssube "2"?
 
Elementary never even booted on half the machines
 
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Isn't it still THE Linux distro
 
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Wait what happened to ubunutu
 
@Luggage fedora?
 
10:20 PM
@FlorianMargaine what Luggage said
although fedora/centos, yeah
 
yea, fedora. another redhat one
 
@FlorianMargaine are you still using Fedora?
 
RHEL proper doesn't seem as common
 
ok, maybe that, maybe redhat was out of date info
 
@ShrekOverflow yup
 
10:21 PM
@FlorianMargaine <3
 
ralt@zap at ~> uname -r
4.16.1-250.vanilla.knurd.1.fc27.x86_64
that's why ^
 
mm, so many drivers I could use
 
@Ikari got 2 legendaries in one box :D
 
is RHEL more than cent/fedora with a support contract?
 
@MadaraUchiha dang lucky
 
10:22 PM
@Luggage yeah, RHEL repos too
 
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I know that one window manager turned tons of people off from ubuntu
 
❯ uname -a
Darwin C02RRBKSG8WN 17.5.0 Darwin Kernel Version 17.5.0: Mon Mar  5 22:24:32 PST 2018; root:xnu-4570.51.1~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
 
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But thought it was still by and large the most popular distro
 
^ Probably the most popular *nix on consumer devices unfortunately
 
centos has most of the stuff, but RHEL has a bunch more tooling around mgmt, doesn't it?
 
10:22 PM
 
well after android
 
@ShrekOverflow not even close: android.com
 
@Jhawins yea. I'd counting all the ubuuntu variants with other window managers.
 
@ssube yeah I almost ignore android
 
@ssube I think RHEL maintains a lot of backports in their repos
 
10:23 PM
@Jhawins unity, which the next release gets rid of \o/
 
@ShrekOverflow you can use some software to adjust it in macOS(at least you could in the snow leopard days)
 
although I've always installed xfce right away lol
 
@William macports?
 
backports are old software, new OS?
 
other way around, I think
 
10:24 PM
probably macports
 
like postgres 8.5 on latest redhat?
 
@ssube I'll consider Ubuntu after that
 
@ssube not even close: minix
 
they continue backporting security patches and such for a while
@FlorianMargaine oh yeah, that's a good one
I bet there are other embedded nixes that beat android too
 
honestly I never have more then 1 audio running at a time unless I'm doing presentations and then the presentation software has audio panels built in
 
10:25 PM
@ssube thought we were talking about desktop / laptop OS
 
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@ssube They said they'd get rid of that like 2 years ago
 
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Jesus
 
omg, I'm reading through PHP Docs, is PHP-GTK even a thing?
 
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I use it for battery life
 
@William Guess that is the mac way
 
10:25 PM
the other day I managed to run the audio out from my laptop into the front port on my desktop, then send that and a few tabs to my headset, while another tab went to the speakers
 
@ShrekOverflow then probably WSL?
 
it was entirely unnecessary and awesome
 
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I can specify my integrated graphics only and it lasts way longer
 
@FlorianMargaine D:, I hope not.
 
@Jhawins Are your software projects all on time?
 
10:26 PM
@ShrekOverflow regardless of how you slice this, it won't be OSX
 
camtwist might work today if it hasn't lost features
 
@ssube True
How big is WSL though ?
 
@Luggage in this case, Ubuntu is on time, yes
 
which distro?
 
lets take Ubuntu because that will be most likely the most common
 
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10:27 PM
@ssube No ACLs
 
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Fuck OSX lol
 
I like this guy
 
not sure how much each image takes in WSL, not finding a table
the store page doesn't say
 
it's a light server install of ubuntu
 
so ~1MB?
ah, of ubuntu
 
10:28 PM
it would be interesting to compare them to the docker container for each
 
~1GB then
 
i like OSX because if i accidentally type in import * from 'mAhFIle'; it will automatically realise that i actually meant import * from 'mAhFiLe';
 
not that light
yea, more like 1gb.
keep a straight face, luggage
 
:P
alpine docker image is 5MB iirc
 
ubuntu is 43MB
but that relies on having some of linux already
not sure what else WSL has to bundle
 
10:30 PM
"some of linux"?
 
the kernel :P
 
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@david pleb. That's a con not a pro
 
WSL isn't shipping a kernel (I don't think), but they have the whole translation layer
 
> 3:23 pm ET: First chuckle of the day (at least from me) comes thanks to a question from Sen. Orrin Hatch: How do you expect to keep your business going longterm without charging users?

> Zuckerberg, after an awkward pause: “Senator, we run ads.”
 
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> 28 members of Congress — including three who sit on committees scheduled to interview Zuckerberg — own Facebook stock.
 
10:33 PM
@david That is one of the major things I hate about OSX
 
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Fuckin duh
 
@FlorianMargaine LOL
 
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Even I own facebook stock how are the sheeple amazed by shit like this
 
guys, guys, i was joking. case insensitive file systems are retarded
 
NDGT explained that: They don't understand science or tech :P, what do you expect?
 
10:37 PM
does anyone know C? I'd appreciate if you can help me out in a private chat or something
 
@Dragneel Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Dragneel Know C, sure, understand C is a whole different beast, just ask 😛
although Lounge will be better channel for C discussions
 
Yea no one was available though haha
 
then wait
after asking
 
gotcha
 
10:38 PM
most of my C expereince is superficial at this point
 
cause I'd hate talking about C in the javascript room
 
I'm sure anyone interested in tutoring others on a programming language has probably posted as much on a more appropriate forum
did you try googling for a programming tutor, and filtering down from there?
 
@Dragneel Did you try asking in the C chat? There's few people in the chat room, but they will usually help out
 
@david oh boy. Do you know you can't compile the linux kernel on an OSX box because the default filesystem is case insensitive, and there are a couple of files with same name/different capitalization?
that was fun to find out.
thankfully, Git found out for us
 
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!!afk at keyboard
 
10:44 PM
o shit she's just going there.
 
<?php
//  $file_contents  = '<?php die(); ?>' . "\n";
?>
well, it's never too late to find new things to dislike about PHP
why is a closing tag valid inside a comment? Who had this great idea?
 
LOL
 
@FlorianMargaine that would be very confusing to debug...
 
10:47 PM
@rlemon LOL wow
 
Weirdly enough you can tell it to be case sensitive when you reformat a mac... but supposedly that causes more issues than it solves
 
that first image... that escalated quickly
 
lol yea
I saw that part live. loved his face
"yes, that is funny. this is why I'm here.. wait I shouldn't be happy."
 
it's a sub of fail vids
basically.
 
10:50 PM
@MadaraUchiha you appear to be the last person to commit on javascriptroom.github.io github page so I'm pinging you because I believe it would be nice to link chat.js.org to this chat. Pull request is open on dns.js.org. I have opened 2 pull requests.
Then the url above could be chat.js.org/rules
 
@William wtf is that and why are you volunteering us?
 
volunteering what?
Its a 2 line pull request hardly volunteering
 
you're asking that project to set up another domain name for the room rules?
why?
 
> we get paid when the action that the advertiser wanted to happen, happens.
so you don't get paid for the sale..
lol
 
10:55 PM
@ssube I'm requesting the javascriptroom.github.io gets change to chat.js.org
 
@Loktar terrifying, probably the man died
 
@William yeah, why?
 
If you would like to me fork JavascriptRoom.github.io I can
redirect index.html chat.js.org to this chat
 
@William +1
 
why are you trying to set up that chat.js.org domain name to point here at all?
 
10:56 PM
although chat.js.org should be a slack organization owned by TC 39 (or whichver TC that it belongs to)\
 
^
 
or rather, to point to the rules
 
and why are you unilaterally doing it without so much as a GH issue?
 
yeah just point chat.js.org there
 
10:56 PM
@ShrekOverflow sure as shit shouldn't be the room rules
 
he made a pull request @ssube
 
pointing it here might make sense, but the rules?
 
more forwards is fine, but we don't need a singular url
 
@rlemon on their repo, not ours
 
@ssube I think linking chat.js.org to this chat would be worthwhile considering it is free
 
10:57 PM
he's setting up a name in that other, unrelated project to point here
 
@ssube ohh, I guess. I didn't look at that
just got the email
 
@rlemon the deed is done
 
no poll or vote here, didn't even bother to ask anyone
 
I wonder how this chat will work with people coming with odd hostname headers.
 
This chat should be screw.js.org
 
10:58 PM
its a pull request it doesn't have to be accepted sheesh I'll delete if you would like to
 
who is Stefan Keim
 
I'll fork the javascriptroom.github.io repo then. It doesn't alter javascriptroom.github.io
 
they own js.org.. and why should we associate with it?
 
ehm If I could make a request, I'd really really like wonkytonky.com to also point here
no actual reason
 
@Loktar dns.js.org
 
10:58 PM
I just like the name
 
It seems like a good cause
 
@Loktar They donated it to js projects on github
 
a good cause? it's not anything
 
^
 
I'm still not clear why you want to add more domains names to point here without talking to anyone
 
10:59 PM
Okay fine I'll edit the pull request to point to a completely different repo then
 
or just, delete it
 
Sorry
 
so long as it doesn't point to this room
 
@ssube he wants to simplify getting to this room
 
I don't want to be associated with that project
 

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