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5:00 PM
they suck for that, but laptops aren't used for 10 years like a car, so meh. I get it, though. It's really nice I can get to eevrything on this Dell.
 
@Luggage Well I'm currently thinking of replacing the hard drive on my laptop. - When I bought this laptop 3.5 years ago ssds were still "premium", thus I only have a 100 gb ssd, and a 1tb normal hdd. I'd like to "fix" this now and then continue using my laptop for another year and a half.
 
I think it's fair to trade form factor for repair-ability, but it would be nice if Apple had a model for people that preferred the other way.
 
Dell is actually really cool about making stuff accessable. The XPS has like 10 screws you pop off to open the bottom plate and then 4 more takes out the battery. On the other hand, Ashley's MBP, there are screws on the bottom to remove the plate in the same fashion, but the battery is held in place with freakin adhesive.
 
yea, the Dell proves you can do it and still make it pretty thin.
though, it still feels cheaper than my macbook
 
@paul23 i have 0 knowledge of hardware :D
 
5:02 PM
but not by much
 
wait... more like... -42
@Luggage cheaper like... there are still holes in it?
 
It's why I chose to buy an MSI, won't do that again though, the screen quality is terrible and I get distorted colors when looking from anything outside a 30 degrees cone, couple that with the fact the screen can only rotate up to ~150 degrees instead of 180+ I could with hp laptops and it means I always have to sit in a terrible position to even look at the screen when using my laptop.
rotate "open"
 
I have an MSI laptop as a backup, it has some horrible build quality.
It constantly feels like it's barely held together.
 
sharper edges on the metal and other subtle things. I can't put my finger on it
 
i have an MSI, and its quite fine, but then again, I barely touch it
 
5:04 PM
Hardware inside the casing is good though, and it's the first laptop I have that I oculd use for gaming without overheating.
 
i use it as secondary monitor, have a mouse and keyboard, headset and whatnot
 
But the screen is just so bad..
 
the only thing i dislike is that the battery runs out quite fast if not charging
and if it is charging, i can melt steel on the charger
 
Meh what would you expect from a gaming laptop.
 
now i wonder what the charger is made of
 
5:05 PM
so far this super fast print is looking half decent
hasn't failed tremendously yet
 
Any layer shifting?
 
@hilli_micha can't tell. it's moving too fast :D
it's weird to see travel and print speeds at the same pace.
the head never changes speed :D
 
Oh a good friend of mine is actually doing what your'e doing as his final thesis for MSc degree for integrated product design.
He's trying to find out how customers use 3d printers and how to make 3d printing easier for common ground people/companies. So it would be like using a 2d printer (potentially using self learning systems to let it improve itself).
 
good filament, level bed, correct settings for your printer.
 
If it becomes like 2D printing, PLA will costs hundreds of dollars
 
5:08 PM
that's about all you need
level bed isn't even important if you have a sensor
 
with some of the more expensive printers it is already like 2d printing
 
@rlemon yeah, but then automate this for any structure, and let the printer "learn" when to print something horizontally or vertically, based on the shape of the figure (so it can withstand more forces)
 
@Luggage marlin has that leveling stuff out of hte box yea?
 
If your board supports it, yeah.
 
it has many leveling options. which did you want?\
 
5:09 PM
@paul23 you'd need a 5 axis printer
@Luggage the on that checks the bed level then offsets the head accordingly.
 
mesh leveling won't fit in memory
 
:(
 
@rlemon He's not designing the electronics, he's doing a study to discover what improvements people still need.
 
but if you mean just skew it.. maybe..
 
@paul23 I think at this point the major improvements will all come with cost reduction
 
5:10 PM
And why so many companies are reluctant to use it for prototyping
 
read through configuration.h :)
 
@paul23 perception of time wasted.
you say "you can prototype in house.. one prototype will take 6 hours to print" and they think that is a long time for the money
 
@rlemon If only life was solveable with simple statements.
 
they don't consider sending it out to get fabricated takes days
 
life is
 
5:11 PM
that was one of the arguments here before we got one.
 
:42042769 You almost triggered me into one of my crazy but fun rants.
 
"it'll take too long to print stuff", yea but when you send out designs you give them a lead time of like a week.
 
all of our rants are fun to ourselves..
 
guys.. I think this print worked.
 
Ranting is the best.
 
5:12 PM
It still takes time to fiddle with the printer. Learn.
 
hot damn, I'm printing full speed from now on
 
@rlemon There must have been some horrible problem that cancelled out another horrible problem
 
Anyway, my friend got quite the budget from a company (that creates printers on demand) to do his thesis.
 
:)
 
So it's still something they wish to learn, and apparently rather spent money on that than on the electronics student who makes them :P
 
5:14 PM
"creates printers on demand"?
a printer printer?
 
@rlemon what layer height and nozzle size?
 
@Luggage yup ;P
 
Isn't that the entire philosphy behind prusas? lol
 
@paul23 Prusia?
 
Von Neumann machines
 
5:14 PM
Prusa*
 
btw my brother in law has 3 prusas in boxes read to build, he's up to 7 of the fucking things now lol
 
@Luggage thankyou
 
I detect some passive aggressiveness. :)
 
@rlemon nah, a startup with only 50 or so employees...
 
@hilli_micha the accountant at work keeps talking about how he's going to buy 10 and have them run while he works for extra money (for the company)
 
5:15 PM
That's what he does for his nerf launcher business.
 
I'd be shocked if prusa has more than 50
 
The company doesn't aim to make printers for end users, rather for other small companies who have very specific requirements that can't be done using a standard printer.
 
so "i need a printer for 2 materials, this size"?
 
a cheap 5 axis printer would be fantastic
 
@Luggage I need a printer that can print 10m span plastic hollow "bridges".
 
user1596138
5:18 PM
@paul23 That's readily available
 
I don't know....
 
aight, so the print isn't perfect.
 
user1596138
Infinite X axis
 
but it's much better than I expected
@Loktar ^
 
I'm not well versed into that world enough, but I hope you get the point. Typically mechanical limits are the problem (strength, bending, yield)
 
5:19 PM
printing at 7200mm/min
 
Looks good lemon
 
user1596138
Isn't that the first thing everyone prints
 
@SterlingArcher there is banding, and the entire thing is .. sinking in around the edges?
@Jhawins no that's a calibration cube
 
the 'first print' is usually a benchy
 
user1596138
5:20 PM
That is what you printed, yes
 
user1596138
A calibration cube
 
user6409042
Hello everyone, can i ask a question related to mongodb here?
 
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@Jhawins which is often not the first print people do
 
user1596138
Would be the first print I did
 
5:21 PM
the most common first print is the boat or the cat
 
user1596138
What lol
 
Isn't that common?
 
with the cr-10 at least, they ship with a sdcard with gcode already loaded onto it
 
user1596138
I'd print something less lame :P
 
and the most common benchmark print on thingiverse is the boat.
 
5:22 PM
Are you first doing a calibration print when buying a new "2d printer"?
 
user1596138
@paul23 As if that's something you'd ever need to do on a ink printer
 
user1596138
Quite different case :P
 
umm, yea you do
 
@Jhawins I did that in the 90s
 
user1596138
Nah, you run out of ink and buy a new one before that
 
5:23 PM
calibrating a 2d printer is a pita
@Jhawins office printers :P
bout once a year we get a guy in to tune ours
 
user1596138
We'd buy a new $3K printer every year and a half lol
 
user1596138
She'd make it through some 3M prints tho
 
user1596138
/me worked at print publication
 
but in 20 years it might also be the case for 3d printers "who would ever print a calibration object, that's a pita".
 
and another $3k to ship it to Canada
 
user1596138
5:24 PM
Free shipping yo
 
> We gotta make this printer last. It'll take 2 planes, 1 boat and a team of sled dogs to bring a new one.
 
user1596138
Those were laser printers anyway tho
 
yea our printer is about $3500
I expected it to be more expensive.
 
user1596138
Toner is expensive
 
ahhhh "REPOSSESSED Only 16567 Pages Printed."
that's why the price is lower
 
user1596138
5:25 PM
Bahaha a repossessed printer
 
we have two of these, and a smaller model from the same place
new, not repos :P
 
user1596138
Ours wasn't a copier
 
user1596138
Jus a PC driven printer lol
 
ours does it all :P
 
user1596138
Printed like hundreds of pages per min lol
 
5:26 PM
when it wants to
yea, not as fast tho :P
I just don't like the wakeup sensors. it hibernates until you send it a job or walk near it.
 
user1596138
I don't own my own printer I just bring stuff to the office to copy/print/scan lmao
 
user1596138
Or go spend 2 hours at kinkos per page
 
I have a printer at home, just isn't connected
 
We have this ancient Brother printer that only supports 802.11g and at this point I'm just curious to see how long it will last
I can get ink for it at disgustingly cheap prices
 
user1596138
Buy ink now lol
 
5:29 PM
Oh that reminds me, my grandparents didn't want to switch away from windows 98.
they are still using that os.
 
install windows 10 with a 98 theme
 
"because windows xp and newer doesn't support the printer with all its features"
 
@SterlingArcher Not here yet
 
We bought ink the other week. It came to a little under 100 dollars
 
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5:30 PM
@hilli_micha Won't be there for long
 
There was a printer on sale for 100 dollars that came with ink
 
I'm trying to explain that getting a newer printer is probably cheap.
 
I definitely considered it
 
@Jhawins I've used this site for years.
 
5:31 PM
but "I still have bought 20 cartridges that are otherwise wasted"
 
user1596138
@hilli_micha I'm sure
 
Those ww2 survivers: hoarding everything.
 
user1596138
Stock up early lol
 
You can only stock up so much, we print rather infrequently. So, a lot of times, the extra ink we buy actually dries up before we can actually use it.
 
user1596138
It dries up if you leave it sealed??
 
5:32 PM
Of course.
 
Yup, you'll notice a date on your inks that says "Use by this date".
That date is overkill, but they do eventually dry up and become worthless.
 
Actually drying isn't the right word: the solvend splits from the ink.
 
GO DDAMMIT. that's the second time I didn't notice my calipers were zero'd at -5mm
 
user1596138
lmfao
 
@paul23 Correct. Yeah, the actual ink becomes a solid clump of worthless
 
user1596138
5:33 PM
I just use my blood
 
user1596138
Hook an IV straight into the printer
 
I only print in red and blue
 
user1596138
Paper is already white
 
user1596138
You damn american
 
exactly, you got it. True American
 
5:38 PM
@hilli_micha the only way to solve that: get a cheap laserjet off woot :P
 
Toner is more expensive for the amount we print
 
It's usually cheaper it feels like to just buy another printer.
 
is that possible? mine was $100 with toner
haven't had to refill it yet, but it's like $50 for thousands of pages
are you printing an entire library?
 
Depends on how frequently you print.
I don't print that often, and the cartridges for my printer are pretty ridiculous now.
 
after having two cartridges dry out 1-2 pages in, I haven't looked back
still have the printer and an extra (probably dry) cartridge
 
5:41 PM
I let work pay for most my printing these days.
 
what are you guys all using printers for nowadays lol? I can't remember the last time I delivered something non digital.
 
Especially since I almost never print.
 
anyone know how, in like a single command, to disable the touchpad on Ubuntu?
 
I don't even own a printer. Well, a 2d one.
 
@Trasiva I originally got a printer because I couldn't get the ones at work to work :|
 
5:42 PM
@paul23 I only ever really use it when I need to print something to sign.
 
which is why you were fired from the printer repair job
 
@paul23 personal use mostly. recipes, cross stitch patterns, wood templates, etc.
 
I don't get why my aliases for import isn't working... I used /* webpackChunkName: "App" and set plugins: ["dynamic-import-webpack"] and set output.chunkFilename and everything
 
I'll never not need a paper printer in my life. makes wood working so much easier
 
I usually print out any ticket with a barcode on it, too. The scanners are always iffy and I don't want to fuck with my brightness in line
 
5:43 PM
also a good use.
 
I just use my laptop everywhere (That's maybe why the casing is so damaged though)
 
Yeah, printing out tickets for stuff is another one.
 
@ssube here all those tickets use nfc anyways nowadays.
 
> hey paul, can I borrow your macbook for a sec?
 
5:43 PM
anything I want to take notes in the margins of, also
 
:P
seriously, printing full size templates and gluing them to the wood before you start cutting makes a world of difference.
 
@paul23 I'm talking about emailed tickets from shows and other small events
 
you can't do that with a laptop.
 
if i ever need to print something, i'll just tape a pen to my cr-10
 
@ssube yeah
 
5:44 PM
well, you can. but it's still single use
 
how can an email have nfc?
 
They always have those handheld nfc scanners.
they send a code I log in to and then I can let them scan my phone
 
I've seen those, but most places use bar/QR code scanners
regardless, none of them are reliable
 
which they should fix.
 
Everyone around me uses those though :P
 
5:45 PM
@ssube the solution is simple. henna the QR code to your ass.
 
@rlemon that's not a lot of room
 
use camera based scanners, not a laser
 
one concert per cheek per month
 
So it's not like you'll feel awkward that people have to wait: the next person will also have that problem, as would the person before you.
@Luggage they are.
 
@Luggage I think the glare is a bigger problem
 
5:46 PM
At least the qr code readers.
 
@ssube two color pla, print it
 
I print em, just not with PLA :P
 
okay gramps
 
I have an all-in-one two-tone modular printing system
 
want your walker before I send you off to the show?
@KendallFrey can you make onshape recenter without resetting zoom?
 
5:47 PM
recenter?
 
er, like I click on the plane I'm working on it recenters that plane
 
idk if having a 2d printer is that old school
 
but zooms me way out
not a big deal, zooming isn't hard.
just curious
 
a dot matrix printer, though...
 
@rlemon That doesn't sound like anything that's ever happened to me
 
5:48 PM
 
oh that one
idk, I rarely to never use it
 
hrm
I use it a lot :P
 
"f"
 
what for?
 
i thought..
 
5:49 PM
... it only does one thing
that's what I use it for :P
 
I mean in what situation is it useful
 
rotating parts and sketches
working on other faces
 
huh?
 
I think you two have a misunderstanding
 
you mean applying a rotation transform, actually changing parts?
or just changing the view
 
5:50 PM
view
 
@Luggage no shit?
 
really.
 
@rlemon Well, my question is why :P
 
@KendallFrey eat watermelon
 
@KendallFrey nope, just a misunderstanding
 
5:51 PM
@KendallFrey BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE PART
 
but why?
 
I just drag-rotate
 
I like having a snap to rotation
 
I don't vOv
 
that's your problem
 
5:52 PM
sounds like it's your problem rather
what with it fucking with your zoom
 
no, that's you :P
 
:P
2.9
 
2.89
 
2.901
 
Also, snapped view makes my eyes wonky
 
5:52 PM
Is this possible? Canadians having a disagreement? I feel like all my stereotypes about everything is wrong. Next you're going to tell me that Japan isn't all anime.
 
@hilli_micha hah
 
japan is so anime it leaks into other countries
 
The 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot was a public disturbance that broke out in the downtown core of Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada on Wednesday, June 15, 2011. The riot happened immediately after the conclusion of the Boston Bruins' win over the Vancouver Canucks in game seven of the Stanley Cup Finals, which won the Stanley Cup for Boston. At least 140 people were reported as injured during the incident, 1 critically; at least 4 people were stabbed, 9 police officers were injured, and 101 people were arrested that night. In July 2015, four years after the riot, police finished their i...
 
That's just a BBQ at sunset
 
5:55 PM
hockey riots lmao
 
it's like you save up all the rage for a few winters, then find a game to channel it into
 
I prefer pussy riot (the band).
 
@Ikari lmao? would you prefer we all naruto run at eachother throwing kunai knives?
;)
 
dude that would be baller
 
actually yea, it would.
 
5:57 PM
weeb
go away, nerds
 
fuck off, fish
 
not sure about the throwing thing, but people running around naruto style would be hilarious
 
@BadgerCat congrats!
"How I stalked and data-collected my entire group of friends; or: how to estrange your relatives"
 
"How my boyfriend didn't know I stalked him for years before we 'met'"
 
@Zirak but you'll feel closer to them than ever before
 
5:58 PM
@Ikari There was a kid at my highschool that ran like that
He got made fun of a lot
Arms back and everything
 
@Cereal dude, mine too
didn't help that he actually liked the animes
 
Whatever floats your boat I suppose
 
I'm glad I didn't go to HS during that era. we just had rich white kids trying to be rappers.
 
I may have thrown a twinkie for him to chase once
 

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