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11:00 PM
I think the shitty part is to look at a room and say "you are all shitty because A or B, pick one" it out of line
 
I didn't put all of that together. Pretty sure I agree with you guys, if that's what you meant.
 
It was creepy, predatory sexual behaviour. I personally think that should be enough for an instant kick. @MadaraUchiha is right, the 1 minute is the warning, there shouldn't have to be a "hey, I'm going to kick you, warning" before that.
 
I mean if one of you who I have known for a while tries that on me, fine, I can play along or ignore it
strangers doing it is like, woah, back off dude
 
I do wanna be clear that I have no tolerance for the sexual aggressive creepy stuff, though.
 
He was just being a troll.
There's nothing more to it.
 
11:01 PM
what sexual aggressive creepy stuff? :o
 
So, like, if I do miskick on that, let me know.
 
Looking at it more deeply now
The user has repeated violations.
That's good for me. Not so good for them,
 
I think he was purposely trying to aggravate the room (trolling).
but nothing more than that
idk. could be wrong.
 
@rlemon Really?
I thought that was obvious, reading back
 
yea, read my next two lines
 
11:03 PM
Especially combined with him supporting the "Flat earth" theory...
 
I'm trying to say that is all he was doing
 
It was
 
@ssube we didn't kick people before for way worse.
 
@Cerbrus I missed that, but it's pretty great.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but we've kicked trolls for way less
 
11:03 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum and that was us failing
 
@rlemon yes, kicking him for being a dick is something I'm %100 with.
 
Imo, zero tolerance for trolling.
 
I've suspended the user for 3 days.
 
Trolling sends a bad message. Tolerating trolling even moreso.
 
I'm just saying, I agree with the kick because he was trolling for the sake of trolling
 
11:04 PM
If and when they return, should they repeat, please oh please do ping me.
 
I don't agree with kicks if it is because we disagree
 
It seems like everybody is on board with the kick.
 
in this case, he was trolling. so 100%
 
crl
I put way too much shit in my states
 
I just wanted to make sure, for my own peace of mind, that this was justified.
and not just me being touchy on a topic
 
11:04 PM
@rlemon i agree with your disagreement.
 
@phenomnomnominal I'm not sure, I'm not against intelligent discussion about things I disagree with. I acknowledge a lot of people have a strange perception of sexuality where they're in some fight-or-flight with the goal of "getting some" - I find it a little idiotic but I wouldn't kick for it.
 
(not really, just had to write that)
 
@rlemon my point exactly.
 
@Madara: Waffles
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum agreed. I wouldn't kick for the subject, I will kick once the troll starts out
"you are all liars or shitty people"
 
11:05 PM
haha
yeah
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum and there's a fine line between "just go get laid" and "go conquer, but don't talk to them, they're not good enough. If you do, you're weak."
actually, not that fine
 
A disagreement is fine
 
he went all out on the neckbeard nonsense
 
Who doesn't like a good discussion
 
@ssube I wouldn't kick someone for being a bigot.
 
11:06 PM
@ssube agreed, you mention conquering and fucking alpha male shit, it's not a rational discussion anymore.
 
now, between long standing friends... we are also more patient
 
I think the discussion is pretty much moot by this point.
He was a troll. He got kicked. He got suspended.
It's not his first time
 
I can tell @SterlingArcher he is a lying bastard and plucks his eye brows
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I absolutely would, on @phenomnomnominal's point.
 
he knows I care
 
11:06 PM
@rlemon oh, he's way too pretty not to.
 
@MadaraUchiha Not his first time to get kicked?
 
IKR!~
 
Although he may just stress-pluck them.
 
Who remembers how @jhawins was at a start with all sorts of talk about "banging chicks" and he's a reasonable constructive member of our community now.
 
@Cerbrus Or trolled. Here.
 
11:07 PM
I do that and have a lady friend who does.
 
Ah
 
crl
is @copy shallow or deep?
 
Yea, -9001 tolerance...
 
@rlemon YOU TAKE THAT BACK
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum now he just talks about his truck. I'm pretty sure it's 50/50 euphemism
 
11:07 PM
It's under -9000.
 
@crl why don't you ask him?
 
@SterlingArcher JUST LIKE YOU TOOK BACK YOUR BROW LINE?!?!?!
HMMMMM
?!?!?!?!
 
@ssube I wouldn't, I don't think discriminating someone based on their beliefs is cool - only if they're actually being dicks.
 
You shut your dirty whore mouth!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I agree, in general, until those beliefs start advocating violence or objectifying other people (which often leads to violence).
 
11:08 PM
I think when people can't understand an opinion/belief/hangup is their own, we have problems.
unless that opinion is spaces is better than tabs, then you're a dirty fucking liar
 
abbreviated to Canadian
 
@ssube you know, I really do like to think that maybe when these people express these views to us, sometimes, we can convince them that their views are problematic or we can learn something about what makes these people tick.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't think that's our job in here
 
woah what did I miss
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum On the internet? I don't think so. In real life, sure, I'd try, but this isn't a very convincing forum.
 
11:10 PM
I think our job is to provide a place for anyone to come talk about JavaScript.
 
@ApathyBear eval(drama)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I used to share that optimism. Then I visited the lounge.
 
Yeah we go off topic all the time, no doubt.
 
and trucks and sex
 
not really
just a troll and now discussion
pretty sure everyone in here is pretty cool about it right now
 
11:10 PM
Just discussion though
 
EXCEPT YOU @SterlingArcher YOU PLUCKY BASTARD!
 
But promoting talking about topics that make this place less than welcoming (even if the intention is rational discussion) doesn't seem right in here.
 
@phenomnomnominal it's not about it being our job or not. It's about tolerating opinions we disagree with. Although I do want to emphasize being a dick about things is definitely a kickable offense.
 
@phenomnomnominal There's a dfference between promoting and tolerating
 
@phenomnomnominal which could be used to argue my comment that started the convo was somewhat inappropriate
 
11:11 PM
@phenomnomnominal at any point in an off topic discussion feel free to ask the topic be changed, then change it
I (try to) do it all the time
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum But tolerating someone who is actively promoting violence is... not good.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't think we're disagreeing
 
Guys, how's the weather where you're at?
 
If it's an opinion, somewhat you can make a good argument for both sides of, go for it.
 
I just think that being bigoted isn't an opinion.
 
11:12 PM
@ssube where was he actively promoting violence/
 
@Cerbrus awesome
was 14C today
IN CANADA!
 
@Cerbrus like 13-15 degrees, cold
 
#globalWarmingIsReal
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum suggesting you're weak if you don't go conquer as many women as possible
 
The snow on the road melted today
 
11:13 PM
@Cerbrus Don't rub it in.
 
@rlemon About 5c, RAIN and a bit of thunder today... and snow.
 
@ssube that's just retarded - I don't think it actively promotes violence
 
We've gotten 2 feet or more (like 0.7m) of snow since lunch yesterday.
 
its 26C here today :)
 
omg was it ever beautiful outside today
driving with the windows down
 
11:13 PM
Snow that melted before it hit the ground :-/
(mission accomplished)
 
it's -6 C here :(
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I agree it's ignorant and in poor taste, but I would also argue it does promote violence, especially against women. Which is kind of a problem already.
 
At least it's freezing.
 
But, like I've said, that's a topic I have particularly strong feelings about.
 
18C in Los Angeles. I was freezing tbh ;(
 
11:14 PM
anyone here use webpack with jquery and bootstrap? i can't get bootstrap to realize jquery has loaded
 
I've been debating taking my motorcycle out of storage for weeks now... Then it starts freezing again, and 3 days later, it's 15C and sunny...
 
@NathanJones you need to fake dependencies
the equivalent of require shims
 
@ssube I honestly don't understand, why would suggesting having sex with a lot of women ("conquering" which is more derogatory, if that matters) something that promotes violence?
 
even on jquery 2? i thought it was more commonjs friendly now
 
use jQ 3
 
11:15 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Maybe he's into BDSM?
Technically, that's violence.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum does bootstrap 4-alpha support it?
@ssube something like this? github.com/webpack/docs/wiki/…
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's specific to the "conquer" attitude. It objectifies and dehumanizes whoever you're pursuing. When you stop thinking of them as a person, you lose the emotional impact of sex. That makes sexual assault more accessible, because you don't stop to think of the consequences for the other person, because you don't see them as a person.
 
it's not a huge jump from "I should conquer women", to "oh she's too drunk to consent but let's fuck her anyway"
 
@ssube and that is your opinion of a healthy sex life
there is a huge subculture who are into domination
 
I'm all for sleeping around, but within a group of people you trust and when you take people's feeling into consideration.
 
11:16 PM
not my thing, but it works for them so okay
 
consensual domination.
 
@rlemon who place even more importance on consent
because they toe the line
 
Guys, why are you even discussing this? The only reason that subject was mentioned, was to get a rise out of y'all.
 
I don't understand that leap. A lot of people have fantasies which relate to control, but even without it - a lot of people can have legal but twisted opinions of things and not be rapist.
 
and nothing suggested to me he wasn't talking about that
inferring he was isn't your place
 
11:17 PM
@Cerbrus because it's an interesting discussion?
 
crl
scrollIntoViewIfNeeded() hehe fun name
 
Eeeh
 
@Cerbrus and an important discussion
 
@rlemon which is fair, and why I doubted my kick, until it turned out he was a known troll
 
Interesting, sure. Important? I'm not so sure.
 
11:18 PM
be jelly of my sunshine everyone
(taken earlier today)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I've seen it happen enough that I'm pretty convinced that's how it often works.
 
@rlemon there must be a toe in one of them reflections, there must be :P
 
it's dreary down here, had tornadoes passing through last night
 
You stole the sun.
 
but warm
 
11:18 PM
@towc plate number of a co worker
 
obviously @ssube and I feel one way about this, and @rlemon and @BenjaminGruenbaum feel another way. We will all kick/not kick as we see fit, and police each other too. That's why we have multiple ROs
 
Like, the sun is literally gone right now. It being 00:19 over here might be related, though...
 
@phenomnomnominal this one has been a toss-up as long as I've been in the room
 
I don't think we should kick because we disagree with something, that is pretty much definition abuse of power
but in this case, user was a troll.
 
this time, it was a known troll who was pretty clearly fucking with us
 
11:19 PM
I'm not saying that either
 
who are you referring to Great Lemon?
 
Gnight guys :P
 
I'm going to err on the side of kicking when sexual violence seems related, others may not.
 
this is boring, we're all agreeing
 
I'm saying we should kick when someone is making this room unwelcoming
 
11:20 PM
^
 
I don't really care that much about the room being welcoming tbh
 
@Cerbrus well, you're out :P
 
@towc Amanda Hugnkiss
 
I'm allergic to dogs, so...
(I'm not, dogs are wonderful)
 
I want to keep things on point and discussion level relatively high but we don't really need a more welcoming room. I'm fine with 90% of new users who ask unresearched poor jquery questions not coming.
 
11:21 PM
you can be allergic to dogs and still think they're wonderful
 
Lemon the Almighty, who is this user?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm fine with that too
 
I need to catch a bus now, since that beer is gone.
off to the land of 2 feet of snow
because lemon took the sun
 
I'm not fine with an intelligent gay person, or woman, or ANYONE, not coming in here because we look like a bunch of neanderthals
And I think we sometimes risk that
 
11:22 PM
I gave a super snarky talk today by the way. It was at Facebook at a React conference, my talk title was pretty much "flux is terrible"
 
Got slides?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yea, it's so hard to clean off my board when I'm done soldering
end up scratching shit, looks like a mess
fml
 
@phenomnomnominal One of those came in here and got RO'd.
 
but, hey, we need it right
 
@rlemon mfw
 
11:23 PM
And I really should be sleeping...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what is terrible about it?
 
@Cerbrus an intelligent RO?
who? where?
 
Intelligent? Don't be silly.
 
burn the snitch
 
11:23 PM
Cap is the smartest RO we have
 
-1
 
so the next bus home doesn't come for another 25 minutes and I need to walk 2 blocks. That means 15 minutes more of working.
 
doge... -1
 
no gimps by me
you need to include one every talk you give dude
this needs to take off
 
11:26 PM
downloadBooks = () => () => D:
 
adding webpack.ProvidePlugin for jQuery gives me webpackJsonp is not defined, as well as the original error :(
 
nested lambdas are probably not good
 
not when they return the D:
 
I'll return your D:
 
11:28 PM
kicking :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum how closely do you feel modern observables and the old WinMain event loop/case are related?
the latter seems like a really dumb version of the former
 
@phenomnomnominal I wanted to mention it
ohh so it's fine when I do it..
but I decided to take the back seat
thanks
 
@phenomnomnominal I mean if that's what you're into
 
Yeah, I see the double standard
 
@ssube nt very :P
 
11:29 PM
apparently chatrooms are not a 'cool thing' anymore?
 
Other than being in the same area of "doing things"
 
I'm reading this reddit post about what people miss from the 90's
 
chatrooms don't have enough hashtags to be cool
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum really? WinMain is called each time a new event is coming into the app, with the event type and info. It typically switches based on type and calls a handler with info.
 
I think?
 
11:30 PM
I use chat rooms more now than ever before
 
@Trasiva playing in iem qualifiers in 30 mins rip twitch.tv/breakfasttv
 
That seems a lot like your slide saying mouse events are an observable, just as a dumb dispatcher
 
@Cereal Trasiva is afk: Dirty dancing
 
back then irc was okay, but it was all about the message boards
 
Ou bebe
 
11:30 PM
or ICQ
ICQ was the shit
 
@ssube so what? Observables are worthless without the LINQ methods, they're just event emitters then - they need to be nicely componsable and transformable.
Just having central dispatch is a small part of it
 
hm
 
speaking of which, is there some new es2015/6/7 that handles observing primitives changing? does Object.observe do that? is that a thing.. I should google
 
Object.observe is gone
 
@rlemon observe is dead ^_^
 
11:33 PM
ES2016 is tiny so far
 
That's not a thing, people just use immutable
ES2016 contains things like async methods which are big on their own but yeah
ES21015 was huge
 
will be*
 
so, let a = 123; a = 234;
I can't observe that change?
(yet?)
 
Why would you want to?
 
not important
asking if I can
I can set up an observer with getters and setters on a property, but not with a primative
curious if that is something I can one day do
and correct me if my terminology is wrong using primative here
yes, but that is hand built
I'm asking about core functionality
 
11:36 PM
@rlemon you can make a a proxy.
 
so google "es2016 proxy" ??
 
Oh, you can totally do that, even in ES5
 
ohh really?
 
11:37 PM
I'd be interested if you have an es5 example
 
Yeah me too
 
Hmm ... When I copy this bootstrap code (tutorialrepublic.com/…) in 1 node (article) of Drupal, the css of my whole website changes ...
 
Sure, lemme make something quick
 
on a global
 
Hello Guys :)
 
11:37 PM
thanks :D
I thought maybe I could abuse window
and Object.defineProperty
but I remember that not working out?
 
I am looking for something quite specific, I don't even know whether it is possible to do this...
 
and doesn't scale out of the browser if it did
 
with({
    _a : 15,
    get a() { return this._a; },
    set a(v) { console.log("GOTCHA!"); return this._a }
}) {
    a = 12;
}
@rlemon @phenomnomnominal
 
ew
 
with
 
11:39 PM
that's nasty
 
you code-review failing clever bastard
 
Just wanted to prove to you that it can be done :D
 
no, that is a nice trick
I like it
now, is there a sane way you can show me
 
that get set notation is in ES5?
 
why would you return the value from a setter tho :D
 
11:40 PM
I can write a babel transform that will intercept all calls to a :D
 
I feel like you've blown my mind with that before
 
@phenomnomnominal yeah
 
@phenomnomnominal in the spec.
support was minimal iirc
 
@Mosho aabecause fuck you that's why
 
11:40 PM
with is da bomb
 
So right now I have a square composed of tiles and in each tile there is a short summary of an article. And by clicking on a tile (which is a link) you can read the entire article. Nothing special so far.
But, it s the animation-part that I don't really know....
By clicking on one of the tiles there should be an animation where the tile you clicked detaches itself from the entire square/group of tiles, before going to the article
http://imgur.com/56WbFqL
 
wash out your face
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum and for some reason fast as fuck in FF
 
(the link +/-shows what I would like)
 
like crazy over optimized
 
11:41 PM
really? lol.
 
iirc yea, there was a perf where using with(obj) prop = blah was like 100x faster than obj.prop = blah
but only in FF
might not be the case any more this was like 2 years or more ago
 
that hardly makes sense
 
jsperf could also suck, idk
 
Could someone please give some tips about what I can lookup
to make that
 
or it could have been a FF bug in that specific version
but I do remember it being there
I'm not crazy
 
11:42 PM
jsperf sucks :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum console.time ftw
 
?
 
!
 
 
do u have any idea?
 
11:44 PM
@trilolil all cats are girls and all dogs are boys
 
just any tips about what I can google to start programming such a mechanism
 
I'll go read your question now
 
tq
 
okay so specifically what do you wanna know?
there is a lot going on there
 
just where should I start? is this more javascript or jquery?
 
11:45 PM
you detach, but then it needs to be removed from the document layout.. do you want that space preserved? you can do this in all css I think if you're clever
 
gif on imgur home right now
gawd
not sure whether to post here
 
i am not so clever...
 
@trilolil jquery is javascript
 
ok
 
jquery is just a library that makes DOM interactions slower and shorter to write
 
11:46 PM
don't care if the space is preserved for the moment, the easiest way will be fine
ok
 
the easiest way is to break down the problem and google them on their own
don't look for a single solution
 
thought so...
in which parts can I break it down?
I started learning javascript yesterday...
 
select the element
move the element in js or css, both are possible. css is easier
 
ok
 
so, select the element, apply the className that will do the move
use css to do the transition
probably not the end solution, but it gets you somewhere and you learn something
 
11:50 PM
?
 
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mhm, so actually i should try to make something like:

myDiv:clicked
{
left:5%;
}
So once the article( which is inside a div) is clicked the block will move 5% to the right
could u plz confirm there are possibilities in CSS to create slow animations?
@rlemon ^
 
:clicked isn't a css thing
I was talking more like this
 

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