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1:04 PM
I was [reading this question](http://stackoverflow.com/q/18947892/603003) when the following question popped up:

Why does `var arr = [undefined, undefined]; arr.map(Number.call)` result in a TypeError?
To my understanding it should first call `Number.call(undefined, 0, arr)` which calls in turn `Number(0, arr)`.
 
You can't call undefined
 
Do you mean Number.call(undefined, 3)? It does work in Chrome.
 
Try (Number.call)(undefined, 3)
 
Still works :)
 
hm... var c = Number.call; c(undefined, 3)
 
1:07 PM
Yeah! It throws an error
 
The point is, you lose the context (Number) of call by passing it as an argument. What's left is Function#call.
 
Thanks @JanDvorak.
The only question left is why *Number.call(undefined, 3)* works. Might be some browser glitch?!
 
@ComFreek Number.call(undefined, 3) calls Number without a context.
 
But doesn't var c = Number.call; c(undefined, 3) do the same?
 
Nope. c doesn't know which function to call.
 
1:12 PM
Why does the latter throw an error then?
Now I get it. Number.call === Function.call. And the difference is that you have set the context in Number.call to Number. Now it knows which function to call. Am I right?
 
Number.call(...) is the function Function#call called with the context Number - which causes a call to Number
 
@ComFreek another way to say what Jan just did is that the this value is different.
 
This will work: Function.prototype.call.call(Number, undefined, 3), resolves to a call to Function.prototype.call with the context set as Number and arguments (undefined, 3), which resolves to a call to Number without a context and the argument 3.
Context of a function call = the implicitly passed this = depends on how you call the function.
So... correct.
 
Excellent, I understand that. Thank you very much @JanDvorak and @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
Right now everybody in France is only speaking of one thing : the attack to a French paper killing at least 12 people among them at least 5 or 6 well known and beloved cartoonists and journalists
 
1:19 PM
who attacked ?
 
People yelling Allah Akbar
 
@dystroy It's the front page of all the online newspapers here for the last few hours.
 
Here as well.
Did they manage to catch the ones responsible yet?
 
in Germany there is also a big hype on the such called "PEGIDA" movement, which pretty much stands for "patriotic europeans against Islamification"
 
What foreigners won't realize is that those cartoonists are very familiar to almost all French people. When I was a kid Cabu was on TV drawing...
 
@Kippie No, they fled killing a few cops
 
@dystroy it's actually mentioned that they are very well known and widely respected.
 
I don't get rid of the feeling that this whole "Islam vs. Europe respectively Christians" is getting pushed a lot over the past month
 
@jAndy what the hell, that's ridiculous
 
@dystroy Could you explain the comic, btw? My french isn't good enough to understand the humor, I'm afraid. (That, and I have no idea what voeux is)
 
1:24 PM
@jAndy "Europe" isn't "Christians". Very few people in France identify our country as "Christian"
 
@dystroy well, my condolences. Terrorism sucks.
 
@Kippie What comic ? They were drawing every days comics aiming at all attacks against freedom of thought
 
I meant the last tweet they sent out
https://twitter.com/Charlie_Hebdo_/status/552773881283764224/photo/1
 
@Kippie Not an interesting cartoon. It's al baghdadi posing as any politic in France telling new year greetings at tv, and ending by something like "and above all I wish you a good health".
Not very fun in my opinion
 
I'm waiting for right-wing parties across Europe to jump on the bandwagon now. What a god damn tragedy :(
 
1:29 PM
@dystroy I wish you two things - I wish health to those injured and I hope the French people can see beyond terrorism and not be intimidated into retaliatory action against Muslims or for less-free speech. That's a problem we've had here.
 
Do you think this will "help" FN in the comic elections, @dystroy?
 
@GNi33 no need to wait, there are already a few ones having tweeted that it's Hollande's fault and other stupid things
@Kippie Everybody says that. I don't know.
 
oh my god, I just watched the video that's around. horrible. And those guys look like they know what they're doing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum This won't happen. But the unusual thing in this terror killing is that they managed to kill very vocal people. Do you imagine ? Everybody in France knows Cabu, Charb, Wolinski, Tignous, Riss... Any cultured person has read a few of their books...
 
not some random idiots out of their mind
 
1:34 PM
@GNi33 link please
 
You shouldn't look at that video IMO. It's hard.
 
it is
 
I saw enough shit I think
 
@GNi33 They probably had training abroad.
 
@jAndy No need to see more.
 
1:36 PM
gnah, I appreciate your care, but I'm not the guy looking away if things get ugly
 
fine
got it?
 
yes
well.. thats ugly and sad, but .. not the worst thing ever recorded
wondering why there isn't any blood at all, even after a potential headshot from an ultra close distance
 
yep, it's not the worst I've seen by far, it's a hard watch nontheless
 
@dystroy I'm so sick...
I just want to cry
 
I just hope they find those fucks very, very soon
 
1:43 PM
I am no expert in warfare nor weapons nor human anatomy, shouldn't there be tons of blood on the ground after getting hit so many times by bullets ?!
and the last close distance (probably head-) shot ?
 
no
 
Link to the video?
 
there is, just not as much as you would expect from watching shitty hollywood shooting-scenes
 
I wouldn't expect hollywood shooting-scenes to be that accurate.
 
@GNi33 I've seen some executions which were for real.. not just hollywood movies and believe me, if you get a bullet in your body it'll hit some veins, looks like slaughter
 
1:46 PM
I don't care to see hollywood shootouts
Oh. The deleted message.
 
@jAndy it probably depends, from a good amount of "actual war" videos I've seen, you don't see this much blood
And this is a cellphone - cam from a good distance
not going to watch it again to check for blood though, how the fuck is that even relevant?
 
Charb is one of the victim I read
 
There is a blood trail at the end of the video.
 
@dievardump yes, cabu, charb, tignous, riss (not sure for him) and Wolinski are confirmed victims
 
@dievardump so are cabu, wolinski and tignous
 
1:49 PM
These people should be exterminated. All of them. There's no saving them, and there's no reforming them.
 
No
they should rot in jail
 
@SecondRikudo The terrorists, or the victims?
 
no need for martyrs in this story
 
@GNi33 No, burning at the stake is too good for them.
 
Hey guys
 
1:50 PM
@GNi33 as in, keep them alive as a psychological warfare?
 
Why would the taxpayer pay for housing and feeding for these trash bags?
 
Because we don't believe in death penalty. That's all.
 
To scare away the other trash bags?
 
define 'trash bags'
 
as in throw them in the tiniest, darkest cell you can find and forget about them
 
1:51 PM
@JanDvorak BS
 
God does believe in death penalty.
 
I have a noob question: Does Xcode come built-in with the Mac ?
 
I don't believe in God.
 
who says you this isn't just another false-flag operation ? People are so easy to manipulate these days
US and A got pretty good in that
 
@jAndy Objects which aren't human, and serve no purpose in society other than wasting useful space. Should be burned or sent to the sun.
 
1:51 PM
@dievardump I kinda too.
 
@dievardump I've already seen a few tweets calling for the end of the death penalty. And also many many tweets telling they got what they deserved. It's a sad defeat for us rationalists.
 
@jAndy could be, I doubt it though. I'm not jumping to conclusions on who those guys are before there have been investigations
 
@dystroy Look, it's nothing personal. It's reality. If we don't kill them, they will kill us.
 
oh yea investigations.. from official side, published on mainstream, great :-P
 
@jAndy It's not. It can't help anybody in gvt today.
 
1:53 PM
that's like wasting time
 
When conflict is inevitable, having the first strike is preferable.
 
The only real problem with death penalty is with false convictions.
 
@JanDvorak False convictions is the problem, not death penalties.
Police and the justice system should not be subjected to pressure from the outside.
 
@SecondRikudo True. But they are less of a problem if you can undo them.
@SecondRikudo pressure from the outside is not necessary for false convictions, is it?
 
@JanDvorak Personally, freeing a man who wasted 30 years of his life in prison after false accusation is not that great of a deal..
@JanDvorak No, but it sure helps.
 
1:55 PM
Death is not justice. We can see it with 2 people assassinating 12 people for their "justice".
 
Also, nothing guarantees you walk out alive from prison, just saying.
@dievardump I'm not talking about justice.
This is a war.
 
@dievardump how come?
 
Guys, what is the best open source editor for web development on a Mac?
 
@RahulDesai define "best"
 
Specifically, front-end development
 
1:55 PM
@RahulDesai sublime text2 I guess
 
If you win, you live. If you lose you die. You can't win if you don't fight.
It's that simple.
 
Sublime Text 2 isn't open source though
Try Atom, it's very similar and from GitHub
 
IS was (and still is) severely underestimated.
 
@JanDvorak I would say, preffered by most of the front-end developers.
 
oh I had in mind "for free" for some reason
 
1:56 PM
@JanDvorak Because cultures are differents. For the people who just murdered 12 others, it's justice to kill people who draw images of their prophet.
 
@RahulDesai Sublime Text 2 is great, give it a try
 
@RahulDesai PHP is preferred by most developers, and yet it sucks hard.
 
@GNi33 Yeah, I have used it. But I am looking for an open source option.
 
@dievardump Let's use justice as defined by God, then
 
@RahulDesai Atom
 
1:57 PM
@JanDvorak No, it has nothing to do with God.
 
How is Xcode for front-end development?
 
@JanDvorak I don't believe in God and "Justice defined by god"
For me, you're just saying nonsens.
 
not sure to what degree it's actually Open Source though, I think some parts are closed source
 
I think it's a basic survival thing. There's this organization that grew to the proportions of a nation that wants to exterminate me, my family and everyone I know
 
forget about all this nonsense discussion about whats right and wrong in murder or justice, I'm so fucked by all media manipulation, official lies to get into wars with countries to steal resources and gain control, all this stuff, I don't buy anything that easily any more what gets "sold" to us
 
1:58 PM
Xcode???
 
the next big coup I guess is, "Islam vs. Europe" or something like that
 
There's no negotiating with it, no reasoning with it, and there's no chance of peace of with, as those are crazed fanatics that wish for nothing more than an extreme Islamic world
 
Let's just say I don't know for sure who's right or wrong, but I do know who knows that.
 
So the only possible solution is to wipe it off the face of the planet like the trash they are, and continue with living among saner people.
 
forgetting about the fact, that european governments almost begging for millions of immigrants from islamic countries for the last decades
 
2:00 PM
@jAndy misprediction?
@jAndy antiracism?
 
I don't see the point for that in getting millions of people from a total different culture and religion into the heart of europe
it actually forces conflict
 
In ancient Israel people were let in if they resigned their culture.
 
Atom vs. Sublime Text. Which one is better and why?
 
in current Israel immigrants are second class citizens
 
@RahulDesai Atom is free
but...
@RahulDesai I do have experience with Sublime; I like the command search thingie.
 
2:04 PM
ok
@JanDvorak Is that thing not there in Atom?
 
IDK
 
but it's great
 
i.imgur.com/ksEgqN9.jpg someone capable of the french language mind to give a short summary of what is tweeted here?
 
@GNi33 More or less what I was telling a few minutes ago : people telling the killed journalists got what they deserved for loving freedom more than Mahomet
 
2:08 PM
damn
 
@JanDvorak @jAndy the problem isn't with Islam
 
Did I ever claim that?
 
Religion really produces a big bunch of morons
 
I have good friends who are Muslims/Arabs
The problem is with the lunatic of each religion
 
the problem is, that this is getting labored and designed in my mind... create a big conflict between different cultures and religion in europe
 
2:09 PM
Anyone familiar with rest api
 
For some reason I'm not familiar with, Islam generates more of those
And those need to be taken care of.
 
Who are the lunatics of atheism?
 
I honestly don't care which imaginary friend you are talking too.
@JanDvorak There are plenty of those.
 
Is it too much for a startup to ask for a Sublime Text licence if I am working for them?
 
@GNi33 Religion here also grows over the ruins of an economy from which many people feel they never will be able to find a place. And over the ruins of our education system.
 
2:10 PM
Such as the one in post-WWI Germany?
 
@RahulDesai Eh, probably not. That's super cheap.
 
> Reuters reports that the headquarters of RPT media group Prisa in Madrid have been evacuated after a “suspicious package” was received. Prisa owns El Pais, among other things.
 
@JanDvorak Some patterns are similar.
 
@RoelvanUden hmm, about $90 I guess
 
hopefully there won't be any more incidents now :/
 
2:11 PM
I don't think fascism would manage to get off today
 
@SecondRikudo your problem is, you follow and the believe the same press and media that told you, there are weapons of mass destruction in Iran and we should bomb them to stone age and kill thousands of innocents.. the same press told you that a small group of people in caves planned the attacks on 9/11, the same press which tells you russia is the mad evil again etc.
 
70 it is
 
why do people even believe this shit
 
it's early, this doesn't work, I can't see why not? (there are no errors, but the fragment isn't appended to the select)
function populateComList() {
	var frag = document.createDocumentFragment();
	serialPort.list(function(err, ports) {
		ports.forEach(function(port) {
			var opt = document.createElement('option');
			opt.textContent = port.comName;
			frag.appendChild(opt);
		});
	});
	while(comName.hasChildNodes()) {
		comName.removeChild(comName.lastChild);
	}
	comName.appendChild(frag);
}
comName is a select element
 
@jAndy I don't watch or read press anymore, haven't for few years
 
2:12 PM
@GNi33 It really looks like an isolated attack. Coordinated attacks would have been simultaneous. This packet is probably just everybody in European papers being suddenly nervous.
 
yeah, that's what I was thinking (and hoping) too
 
There are two main sides to this as far as I can see it.
 
@SecondRikudo but this is exactly what the main stream media publishes, lies all over the place
 
There are those who believe there can be peace
And those who do not
 
@rlemon maybe serialPort.list is asynchronous?
 
2:13 PM
Having fighting that war, having my friends injured and killed in that war, seeing what those lunatics do to their own people, I don't believe there can be peace with those people.
I'm not talking about the silent 99.8% majority
It's that 0.02% that needs taking care of.
 
Guys, is there a free/open source tool for cross-browser testing, something like BrowserStack?
 
ISIS conveniently gathered all of the lunatics in one place, so yeah, anything remotely related to IS should be wiped off the face of the earth without discrimination, because their only goal is to kill me.
@RahulDesai Karma
 
using one drive and Google drive API documentation you could create Python scripts to sync folder between accounts. But I'm confused the use my allotted been with as the pipe to sync or just cache on disk then sync using upload speed. ?
 
USA respectively NATO went to attack so many countries because of lies and false flags in the last decades (which got unconvered), why would anyone believe any new shit coming from the same heads
 
@JanDvorak it is!
 
2:14 PM
thats my biggest problem with people, just not able to see the big picture
 
@jAndy The Game
 
I knew I was doing something silly.
!!afk clearly I need a coffee
 
@SecondRikudo not all of Islam wants to kill you.
 
@JanDvorak I never claimed that.
I claimed that IS wants to kill me.
And I assure you, that they do.
 
IS is sponsered by CIA
 
2:16 PM
@SecondRikudo With that, can I check how my site looks like on X browser running on Y OS? Just checking.
 
as any other Islamic Terror organisation in the past was
 
@jAndy I honestly hope that it's not true
 
@RahulDesai It allows you to run automated testing on all browsers.
 
there are a ton of facts which document that
 
@SecondRikudo ok
 
2:17 PM
osama bin laden, financed and trained by CIA
that's no conspiracy anymore, go read some damn books
 
And ?
Everybody knows the CIA used Osama and many other ones. It doesn't mean they wanted 911 which came long after.
 
@jAndy true, but it was long time ago, when USSR was invading Iraq Afghanistan
 
it doesn't matter. fact is, that cia and other "forces" hand their hands in play in almost all of those conflicts, groups, organizations in one way or the other
backed by horrible lies, also.. from cia, to go to war with a lot of countries
 
CIA installed or helped many dictatorships, yes. It doesn't mean they're behind every killings. Or even that they would like to be behind.
Stupid extremists are well able to act without the CIA.
 
sorry.. but that is just bs
 
2:25 PM
maybe I am dumb, but I fail to see what are the benefits (either long or short-term) to fund ISIS/ISIL
 
as if people at cia were dumb as fuck
"ohhh we didn't see that coming... 54 times in a row"
 
i don't see any either
 
Hellow scripters ;)
 
for example, it would be a direct benefit to cause chaos in central europe, but for that you would fund protesters and extremist
 
scripting is out of topic for today, politics and religion has taken over!
@tereško one can only speculate, but its somewhat suspicious that "terror", "conflict", "instable situations" mostly occur in countries, which are rich on natural resources, don't you think ?
 
2:29 PM
@jAndy this is not a form of "controlled chaos"
 
there is a great quote from a German polictian who said.. "I bet if we find huge oil resources in sweden, it doesn't take long until we hear about terrorism in sweden"
and that is so darn true
 
agreed^
 
@tereško to an extend, it is
 
@jAndy who said that?
 
@jAndy - you know sweden has a neighboring country with huge oil resources, and the only terror committed there was by a white christian maniac
 
2:31 PM
cough Canada has like the third highest reserves of Oil source
 
@GNi33 I have to research for my self, might even got it wrong but the essence is the same
@adeneo you know that any oil in europe is childs play compared to iran/iraque and surrounding areas
 
user2620028
@rlemon whats your point? That you guys have not had many terrorist attacks?
 
@jAndy - yes, but that wasn't the point, your statement about sweden was ?
 
Guys, can Xcode be used for programming in JS/CSS/HTML ?
 
you have to think like a true capitalist.. why pay huge prices to cannada for oil, if you can have a lot more for free ?
 
2:33 PM
@RahulDesai define "programming in html"
 
@jAndy The Game
 
@jAndy but your quote made it seem like any country with high reserves of oil would see terror attacks - Canada slaps this theory in the ass and calls it susan.
 
@JanDvorak I mean, writing code in HTML..
 
user2620028
Xcode should'nt be used for anything :/
 
@HatterisMad Why?
 
user2620028
2:34 PM
Cause i dun like it XD
 
I program in JSON
 
lol
 
user2620028
The only thing xcode did well for me was force me to drink.....
 
@rlemon the point was, I guess, is that all these wierd sitatuations and chaos and terror, is made by people who .. lets say have benefits from these countries being not sovereign at all
 
2:34 PM
I hate when I'm listening to a 'talk' and the guy calls object literals "JSON Objects"
 
I program in jsFiddle :P
 
user2620028
i wouldn't mind writing code in jsFiddle but it likes to crash on me a lot, and not because of loops!
 
so, does anyone else get caught in the PROMISE ALL OF THE THINGS! trap?
I'm wrapping functions in promises that need not be wrapped
 
@jAndy - actually, all the chaos and terror is made by religious nutcases who wants to take over the world
 
I just watched a 30 minute interview about "No Man's Sky"
 
2:36 PM
@adeneo again, thats what mainstream media tells you. Already said it, but thats the same heads telling about about mass destruction weapons in Iran (which came out as a lie) and get into war
beside a shitload of other lies
 
Then there's the conspiracy theory nutcases ?
 
like @NickDugger
 
not much conspiracy there
 
:P
 
Vegetarianism is a conspiracy
 
2:38 PM
thats for sure
 
Mars is a myth, it's actually a reflection of Arizona off some swamp gas.
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@rlemon that sounds reasonable
 
1 message moved to Trash can
 
lol
 
@jAndy - in other words, all these batshit crazy Allahu Akbar yelling people that fly planes into buildings, are a part of ISIS, Al Qaida or whatever, are just a tool to keep oil prices low. Sure does seem like it's working ?
 
2:40 PM
Binning my revelations is offensive.
 
being ridiculous is more offensive.
 
@NickDugger What are the extensions you installed on Brackets for looking that way?
 
@NickDugger he's only offended because you stepped on his lifestyle. "yea fuck those vegetarians! DONT YOU DARE TALK ABOUT THE VEGANS!"
 
NASA faked the moon landing while on Mars
 
@Catgocat I'll send you a list on skype, since you added me
 
2:41 PM
@KendallFrey the moon landing footage was actually from the recent comet landing.
 
@jAndy I should bin you then
 
WAY Off-topic: ESL Problem: "I always prefer X unless there is a good reason to go otherwise." Is this a valid English sentence? (Ignore the X).
 
@NickDugger Yup, I did
 
@KendallFrey I'm in good company with you then I guess
 
Sorry guys, English is my 3rd language. :)
 
2:43 PM
@RahulDesai I guess?
 
@RahulDesai syntactically correct
 
@RahulDesai - I always ignore my exes, so seems good to me ?
 
those guys have a rocket launcher? what the heck?
 
@adeneo of course, you should never commit binary files to source control
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Thanks guys! :)
 
2:46 PM
@adeneo blink
I read that as "I always ignore my ex wives", so was confused for like 5 seconds there
 
@KendallFrey What about generated output with twitter handles, though?
 
the hell does twitter have to do with git?
 
@jAndy eh, I think you're both pretty ignorant/arrogant from time to time. And making assumptions about someone elses lack of intelligence provides a nice window into why I sometimes think that ;)
 
@jAndy Nothing Against Ze Indians, probably
 
@GNi33 Since the war in Yugoslavia there are "a lot" of weapons in France. Rocket launchers are mostly used to attack money transfer trucks
 
2:53 PM
@jAndy dude, prior to this you were talking about governments and terror organizations. he says "nazi" and you flip out? I'm positive you've said worse. you're just angry because you don't like him and you don't like people attacking vegans. admit it
 
!!> "vegan" > "nazi"
I compared them
 
@KendallFrey true
 
I'm offended
using the bot for your own political agenda
 
@rlemon no thats just not true. I'm getting offended all day long in discussions about veganism
I can take that
 
@SecondRikudo The internet is made of tubes
 
2:54 PM
 
A picture of ASCII art ? This is decadence...
 
Did you even read the conversation, or just assume that I was calling people names?
 
let's all shut up now and hate meg. everyone hates meg.
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who/what's meg?
 
2:57 PM
it's a family guy reference
 
@towc Really?
 
oh, the girl
 
@towc the person who's going to stop this stupid conversation from continuing further
 
@rlemon Meg is a bitch
 
2:57 PM
I hate Meg.
 
!!google real life peter griffin
 
@dystroy That's really horrible.
 
I really hate meg for no reason
 
dammit, I meant youtube
 
2:58 PM
We've had our share of political killing, they always really suck
 
Alright, since the meg thing didn't work, @jAndy @NickDugger I will kick the next person who continues to pursue this line of conversation. kthxbye (that includes bitching about this message)
I don't care how involved or not you are.
 
@Catgocat oh look it's @adeneo
 
Guys, which is the best hosting provider with the following features
1. unlimited bandwidth
2. unlimited hosting space
3. unlimited db space

similar to godaddy's ultimate package. I want reliable hosting provider. I have seen godaddy's bandwidth to be a bit low
 
bye jandy
 
2:59 PM
@udaysagar Interserver.net
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's clearly not the same thing, @adeneo is facing the other way.
 

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