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6:00 PM
I had a fighting with a person early this day, whether it was S-Q-L or sequel.
 
sequel or sql depending on my mood
 
I say sequel because it's fewer syllables and people understand what I mean
 
Although, I do still tend to say MySQL instead of MySequel...
 
We got to no conclusion.
 
@rlemon R Lemon vs rlemon
 
6:00 PM
@NickDugger I Just say "that crappy db engine"
 
I say CQL
 
I like it over MS SQL, but yeah, MySQL is poop
 
lel
 
@NickDugger Luckily we have postgres everywhere
 
i like PDO
 
6:01 PM
ESQL
 
and for gods sake postgresequel
 
I just learned Mongo the other day, so I'll be using that in my personal projects from now on
 
well, sequel is a predecessor of SQL, technically speaking, SQL is correct.
 
MySQL is great, till you notice it takes 1000000 billion hours to load..
 
just sounds wrong
 
6:01 PM
@NickDugger lol good luck
 
^ Bin it
 
@Catgocat Please watch your language :)
 
@ssube you don't like mongo?
 
how do you get a modal to send data without sending your browser?
 
@Catgocat My Girlfriend is a doctor, she prescribes you this wikihow.com/Stop-Using-the-Word-%22Gay%22-Inappropriately
 
6:02 PM
@NickDugger I did until I had to make it work in prod. seealso: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/17/conversation/why-mongodb-sucks
 
@darkyen00 I like the way the guy in the picture looks like he is overthinking.
 
@darkyen00 how is it wrong to say you're happy gat?
gay
 
I am not a doctor.
 
I forget who bookmarked that, but it features 5 issues we've run into that did (or nearly) brought our site down.
 
Is there a neat interface for postgres like mongoose for mongo? I'm trying to think how hard it would be to migrate my work to use a different db now... lol
 
6:04 PM
@eyeLoveFiddle XMLHttpRequest
 
@darkyen00 5 - Expand your vocabulary. (good tip)
 
I already told you to look it up
 
@NickDugger sqlalchemy in python
:3 :3 or sequelize in nodejs but sequelize is rather a whole friken orm
 
!!tell catgoca google synonyms for bad
 
6:04 PM
@NickDugger I like bookshelf but it'll still take work to port. I also considers Sequelize but it was a bit awkward and didn't inspire confidence
 
when I click the button I need to post a form to page according to button clicked (3 pages 3 buttons) I leave the action=" " is this right? case "showevent" : $("#dropdowns").attr("action", showEvent.html); $("#dropdowns").submit(); break;
 
@RobertoBalejík Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Shmiddty Thank you, I know have a wider knowledge of words that I have at my disposal which is amazingly useful, and makes me seem more tolerant and intelligent to the casual observer or audience.
 
@Catgocat I don't think you were trying to be offensive. We just try to be respectful of eachother in here. We're all people, after all. :)
 
6:08 PM
@Catgocat We can handle it, we love you but not the random flaggers
 
i use the word this way "I'm having a gay day today"
 
don't want you in trouble man :D
 
@eyeLoveFiddle if you actually speak like that, sure. if you're just trying to be ironic, gtfo you hipster
 
gay does mean happy first in my book
 
@rlemon Hey a question can you help me a lil with electronics ?
 
6:09 PM
@rlemn Don't be aggressive, here are some guides for how to stop being aggressive: wikihow.com/Stop-Being-Passive-Aggressive
 
!!afk back to work
 
@rlemon do you think its possible to bundle led's a microcontroller and a radio frequency emitter / reciever in a same block which can be wore as a pendant ?
oh and batteries too...
 
shouldn't be too difficult depending on how small it needs to be
the controller is super small, so is the radio emitter, but the power and heat distribution from the leds could be an issue
 
So much useful information in this wikihow website, how have I never heard about it?
 
6:11 PM
passive gressive people can make good money at it
 
I'm passive aggressive in my code.
 
Its a friends group thing, @rlemon 7 colors each for a person, when they all 7 are in range the pendants should cycle in 7 colors.
 
Minnesotans are known for being passive aggressive. I'm pretty good at it
 
@darkyen00 still, power is the issue
 
6:12 PM
How about a bracelet ?
 
radio emitters (depending on antenna and range needed) will suck back the juice
 
people think that they can bully me, but that's when they're going to be taken down
 
@rlemon fairly less
 
@eyeLoveFiddle nope, my host guarantees 99.9% uptime
 
@rlemon low frequency (like car key levels) shouldn't be too crazy on power draw
 
6:13 PM
you can't take me down!
 
they have very low range in exchange
 
@ssube distance is going to be a big factor
how far do they need to communicate
 
a few feets
 
@darkyen00 just how good of "friends" are these people? the naked kind?
 
however you could just send a 'pulse' every few seconds
and reduce a lot of the power draw
 
6:14 PM
@ssube yeap.. besties
 
where's the wikihow on conning the government?
 
@darkyen00 check out dx.com and scout for components
see how small you can get em for how cheap
 
sending a pulse every few seconds with a 5-10m range (assuming line of sight) shouldn't take much power
 
What to do when you study for a test, and you feel like you already know everything you need to know, but are still sitting next to the books overthinking whether should stop studying or not.
 
also sparkfun.com
 
6:15 PM
Someone make me a wifi enabled bracelete that has a button on it that sends a ping to a server that sends a tweet out to my 8 followers that I'm using the toilet.
 
great site for components
 
@NickDugger wifi likes to have an rtc, which tend to be pricy
 
I love this room.
 
@NickDugger someone made a LOTR dagger that glows when it is in range of unprotected WiFi
 
6:15 PM
@rlemon Yeah, I saw that one. Really cool
 
I wanna make one, but I have so much other projects to make
next is a temperature controlled box. (yes a fridge)
 
i should make a twitter bracelet that tells people every time my heart beats
 
@rlemon please make a reversed microwave
 
make a toothbrush
 
I need to keep my beer at low temps, but not so low as the fridge for fermentation
so I need to build a temperature controlled box
 
6:17 PM
 
@rlemon i have some buddies who brew a fair amount, and they put one together. apparently it was actually really easy, although they may have just hooked a thermostat and compressor power to a laptop.
they set it up so you could set a schedule of temperatures over time and make sure it stayed within a few degrees of that.
 
@ssube arduino + peltier + old cooler + temperature probe === easy peasy and I already have all of the components
and I'm pretty sure I have a few SS and a few aluminum plates around I can use \
I need to find a 4 amp 12 v power supply tho :/
 
making one that can also warm itself up would be interesting (and useful)
 
well, this will be able to do that
just reverse the power to the peltier
 
they can do that?
 
6:20 PM
yup
one side is hot, one cool. reverse the power going into them and the sides reverse as well
via wiki
 
don't you usually have a heatsink and fan on one side, making it a sort-of dedicated hot side?
 
@ssube the other 'side' is attached to a large steel plate that acts as a heat sync for the warming
one side is attached to a large steel plate, the other side with a cpu fan and heat sync
(I have a minifridge that already works like this, however isn't large enough for what I need)
 
if you wanted to reverse it, would you want to disable the fan on the cold side, then?
my physics are rusty
 
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@rlemon Ooh peltiers what are you doing
 
6:25 PM
@Jhawins brewing beer, need temp control
 
my chemistry is rusty // u c wht i did thre?
 
@ssube I don't think it would make much difference
 
user1596138
lol not the most efficient way to go about it
 
@Jhawins I already have all of the components
ALL of them
 
user1596138
Sounds like a plan then
 
6:26 PM
just kicking around
 
@rlemon more airflow is good for dissipating heat, does it help collect it?
how much heat would the fan generate?
 
user1596138
Yeah I would probly have everything too haha from all my shit laying around
 
user1596138
I used them for campfire generators but we had this conversation
 
could you just install heatsinks and fans on both sides, then be clever and disable the fan on the cold side?
 
@ssube but the 'heat' when reversed is inside of the cooler, no airflow
I don't want fans on the inside of the cooler. I want a large metal plate with nice surface area to get the heat/cool into as much of the cooler as evenly as possible
if I was blowing air inside, wouldn't be an issue.
but I won't be
to keep this on topic, I might program it in JS ;)
 
6:28 PM
won't that cause the heat to be mostly around the peltier in the cooler, then?
 
user1596138
 
having a fan on the inside would give you much more even temps within the cooler
and generate a bit of heat at the same time
@rlemon make sure it responds to the teapot protocol
 
@ssube I think you over estimate the size of the cooler and underestimate air and beers capacity to distribute the temps themselves
 
user1596138
@ssube If it's attached to a plate the heat is going to move to the plate.. It makes a lot of heat but it's not like it's a forced induction heater or something
 
besides, the temps I'm talking about are like 12-24C
 
6:30 PM
@rlemon probably. how much beer are you making?
 
I can do 24L at a time, but the first batch was only 18
24/750ml bottles
 
user1596138
The power pot thing is what I was doing around my campfire before it was in production so... I'm callin hipster status since I built it befor it existed. Just this once lemme have it
 
user1596138
But yea @rlemon cool. Are you going to manage the heat in some way other than just changing the input haha
 
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@rlemon Arduino thermostat ?
 
again, already had it
 
user1596138
6:35 PM
Nice
 
an arduino addon would be easier, but would cost money :P
 
user1596138
Eh that's what I meant I didn't figure there would be an add on?
 
user1596138
Can't you do just about whatever
 
arduinos have a crapload of cool addon boards you can get
 
user1596138
Oh shit the price on that power pot is $149? We both know how much that cost haha
 
6:36 PM
this would have been easy
 
user1596138
@rlemon Seems it'd be easier to just use your own like you're going to lol
 
maybe in the future
@Jhawins but then I have to add a resistor!
 
user1596138
Oh maybe that would be nice
 
A RESISTOR!
 
user1596138
Durr
 
6:37 PM
;)
 
@rlemon damn
 
user1596138
Shit can't even get those in town
 
the LM335 is a good chip
I know it is accurate and stands the test of time
 
user1596138
Radio Shack stopped carrying stuff and it's a half hour drive now for me to get anything other than the shittiest LED bulbs from 2005
 
dx.com
takes a while, but it's cheaper and they have everything
 
user1596138
6:38 PM
Shipping wut
 
free shipping
but long ass shipping
 
user1596138
Yea I've used them a lot but it's sometimes like 2 weeks haha
 
user1596138
Or worse one time it was over a month I think
 
dude, try 2 months
they are horrible
maybe a week, maybe 2 months, luck of the draw :P
 
@rlemon I feel like a goldfish :x
 
user1596138
6:39 PM
It's terrible. I always had like right on 2 weeks but every once in awhile it was bad bad
 
user1596138
Nothing like Wicked Lasers though ;)
 
user1596138
14 months and 3 wrong lasers later.... I got a broken laser...
 
user1596138
Or hold it next to my franceformer
 
I also really wanna build a theremin
if for no other reason than to piss off my GF
 
6:42 PM
I feel so limited making a game in the DOM... this month's challenge is weird.
 
@rlemon those are weird
@NickDugger I don't get it, I've made games in the DOM before
 
Yeah, but why? Why do it in the DOM when you have the canvas? I understand it's a challenge, and it's to learn, but why?
 
Maybe it's because I learned how to make games using a control-based system, not a rendering-based system
@NickDugger easier to hack something together
 
@NickDugger I think it would be easier to make a game in the DOM
just not as fun, and probably sluggish as hell
 
Ya'll mofos is weird
 
6:45 PM
if you start a game with the renderer, you'll be there forever
 
well, you came from print to programming, we've always been programmers. you think in more of a graphical way, we think about objects and containers
 
That's true
 
I recently discovered I still have my first games written in Access
 
@KendallFrey This explains so much.
 
6:47 PM
My first programming job was access. A long time ago. It's ok. You are forgiven for past Access sins.
 
@KendallFrey show us
 
@darkyen00 you want me to upload em?
 
My first program was a game made in powerpoint. It was so bad that i don't even call it my first program. I literally made slides for every possibility and macros .. ugh
 
do it. You know they'll still work, Office never drops features.
 
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@NickDugger I would say it's probably weirder the other way
 
6:48 PM
this is why I love dealing with old crap. I come up with the interesting/ugly solutions that work so well
 
@KendallFrey Host it on OneDrive
 
function processIncomingData(data) {
	reading = !!frames.length;
	var fdata = data.toString();
	frames.push(fdata);
	clearTimeout(tbo);
	tbo = setTimeout(endOfInput, tbuffer);

}
function endOfInput() {
	reading = false;
	var tdata = frames.join('');
	frames = [];
	filterInputs(tdata);
}
 
to make the microsfot feel
 
@darkyen00 noice, that's a lot like the quiz-type game I made
 
My first "program" was a QBASIC script that made the computer beep for half an hour.
 
user1596138
6:48 PM
I may just be totally wrong... But I'm pretty sure most devs don't know anything about canvas
 
@SomeKittens you are such a kitten
 
@SomeKittens My first C# program played music via the motherboard speaker
 
I know OF canvas. It doesn't come up with business app development too much. Maybe for charts, but there are plenty of good libraries for that.
 
I agree with @NickDugger
 
I made a pretty cool VB game for simulating model rockets
 
6:49 PM
way easier to make a game with canvas than the dom.
 
at least for board game type of games.
maybe not a side-scroller
 
@Loktar Is anyone arguing against that?
 
ohh, i read that backwards.
 
Of course it can be relative, but you have more control over canvas than the dom unless you just use absolute for everything you have to worry about overlapping/shit getting in the way, pushing elements, ect.
 
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@Loktar I don't dispute that but I also don't have experience.
 
6:50 PM
anyone remember dhtml lemmings?
 
@Loktar more control usually means less easy
 
@Luggage yup
it is still amazing
 
user1596138
I just said I think your average dev isn't all that likely to have used canvas
 
@Loktar what if positioning isn't an issue?
 
@Jhawins no I agree, I was mostly talking about what @rlemon said
 
user1596138
6:51 PM
Saying you guys are exceptional lol
 
a simple dice roller would probably be easier in DOM
 
7 mins ago, by rlemon
@NickDugger I think it would be easier to make a game in the DOM
 
user1596138
And codepen is huge it's got so much canvas stuff
 
@KendallFrey how bout a dice roller with animated, 3d dice?
 
@KendallFrey if you're just displaying numbers
 
user1596138
6:52 PM
@ssube use flash
 
DOM could do 6-sided die easily enough, but the complex ones with CSS animations would be interesting
 
user1596138
Everyone use flash
 
^
 
use 1x1 pixels divs and render 3d graphics to it
 
@ssube then I'd use Three, but CSS can do amazing things these days
 
6:52 PM
@KendallFrey my first real program was where you were a bat
and you used to fight against orbs
 
@Loktar Who listens to him?
 
shooting your lazaaaaah
 
@KendallFrey it could probably do it, but some of the side shapes are weird
 
@SomeKittens lol
 
@ssube what do you mean?
 
6:53 PM
the nice thing with die is that they're entirely convex, and all surfaces meet, so you can use normals for backface culling
 
For a room full of people who make games and even create manuals for making games, that seems pretty arrogant.
 
@KendallFrey making an element the shape of a single surface of a d20 would be interesting
 
@SomeKittens what does?
 
2 mins ago, by Loktar
7 mins ago, by rlemon
@NickDugger I think it would be easier to make a game in the DOM
 
6:54 PM
oooh ok
 
@ssube d10 would be more so
 
I thought I said something arrogant :P
 
nope
 
not even trying to be argumentative really I just honestly think working with canvas is a lot easier
 
@KendallFrey yeah, that might be the worst. You'd have to either have multiple elements per side, or do some weird border tricks.
 
6:54 PM
thats why I started using it lol
 
if you have multiple elements, lining them up would be annoying.
 
@SomeKittens me thinking making games with the DOM could be easier is arrogant?
 
like having a particle system and collisions is possible with the dom sure.. but it just seems like it would be more of a hack
 
@rlemon Stating that opinion in a room full of experts
 
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@SOmeKittens throwin it down heavy
 
6:56 PM
stating a personal opinion on a current subject is arrogant? no, no it is not.
you might not agree, and you are free to toss in your opinions, but how the fuck was I being arrogant for sharing mine
 
@Loktar DOM nodes are pretty heavy for particles.
 
lol yeah for sure
 
I don't like Ice Cream, does that also make me arrogant?
 
user1596138
It makes you ignorant ^ you clearly haven't tried it
 
Wow, I completely misread that.
 
6:57 PM
no, ignorance would be if I didn't know better. I have tried it, I don't like it
 
I thought it was Nick who said that - my apologies to you both.
 
user1596138
Now you're just a liar
 
lol
I was confused regardless I didnt see how it was arrogant either, but it wasn't directed at me anyway
 
TIL lubricants can save a lot of pain.
 
FTR - I prefer making games with Canvas, but I think not having to control what is being painted where could be easier for some people. so I made the statement.
 
user1596138
6:58 PM
Yeah I figured some kind of craziness was going on.
 
@rlemon Yeah, that makes a lot of sense - you know what you're talking about.
 
user1596138
!!banana
 
I think getting something on the screen and moving it with the dom is easier.
however making a (even moderately complex) game I can't see that still.
 
I think the best is a mix of the two
objects I need to touch or click or interact with, it still seems like a DOM overlay would be best
instead of 'canvas buttons'
but that might just be me taking the easy way out
 
7:00 PM
@rlemon although writing a UI, and the scenegraph that goes with it, is a great learning exercise.
 
yeah relative to the game I suppose. A game with just click detection would be better with the dom most likely
zork would be better using the dom too :P
 
@ssube ohh sure, but we are specifically talking about "easier" are we not?
!!afk coffee is cold
 
but anything with animations I think you would start to get into some over complexity with the dom
 
@rlemon yes. that was a tangential comment.
 
player is hit, play hit animation instead of walking animation, ect.
 
7:01 PM
@Loktar eh, css spritesheets can handle a lot of that.
you can update the element's style/class, or manually blit a different part of the image
i'd say that's half of one, 50% of the other
 
yeah but now you aren't even doing it with css animations, so it seems like a hack already imo
 
@Teh_Bucket's example of a DOM game: github.com/TehBucket/metalflappystorm
 
thats the best example of a dom game hands down
its still so damn amazing honestly
and the fact it ran full speed in like 2005 or 2006 is crazy (in IE6)
This convo was all related to the room challenge I assume right?
 
> Hi! Welcome to DHTML Lemmings! This is a remake of Lemmings™ all written in javascript. You will be needing a modern browser and a fairly fast PC to play this game. IE5.5+ or a recent Mozilla / Opera version and a 500+ Mhz processor should do, but more power is better :)
^ Wow.
 
haha I know right?!
 
7:07 PM
I'm not sure which dates it more, the browsers they list, or "DHTML".
 
I cant even find the original author
I assumed he would be doing some even more kickass stuff now
 
@Retsam dude, DHTML was the shit
ohh my god I remember geeking out so bad when I was introduced
there was a site a long time ago with just DHTML examples
they were all so cool. It was what really pushed me to js
 
^ This was my first thing in JS, since then i have declined
 
I can't actually remember why I learned JS... it was something I picked up in HS, but I don't remember why.
I do remember that I used notepad and didn't find the experience all that fun, on the whole...
 
7:14 PM
@SomeKittens Now all we need is a sed implementation in brainfuck, and we can run full circles
 
> Most apps were written by "web developers" (read "amateurs")
 
7:39 PM
@Zirak we missed you.
We had to settle for a replacement
 
I really cannot wrap my head around making a game in the dom... probably gonna back out of the challenge
 
@NickDugger for a few hours forget that you care about performance and sanity
it will help.
Imagine pong ?
 
BUT WHY!? I HAVE A PERFECTLY GOOD CANVAS!
 
@NickDugger CSS Animations
better for pure UI games, like your social games
allows more powerful interaction with each element
 
Screw this month's challenge. I'll just go back and do last month's instead. GO looks fun
 
7:46 PM
lol
 
@Zirak the guy writing the bf compiler in sed is insane. The good kind of insane, but still insane.
 
Why learn new things in a monthly challenge when I can just do things the way I already know?!
 
@Retsam its never a bad thing to learn new things
 
@darkyen00 never say never
 
making games in the DOM is not a new thing, It's a headache. I'll learn GO instead, since I missed last month's anyways
 
7:50 PM
@KendallFrey SO YOU ARE A BELIEBER ?
 
Learning how to create weapons of mass destruction could very well be a bad thing
 
I BELIEB IN A THING CALLED LOVE
 
!!youtube Never Say never
 
@darkyen00 get that shit outta here
 
7:51 PM
@KendallFrey But the attempt may open doorways for a new source of energy
 
Or kill us all. You know, either one.
 
teach a lesson for the rest of us to not try the thing X
and mark it as dangerous, still helpful
 
I mean, not if there aren't any of us left to teach.
 
Anyone feels like letting me know how I can canonize this sort of question: stackoverflow.com/q/27827246/1348195
I think I answered questions revolving around missing return statements with promises at least 5 times. They're all the same problem but they're very different :S
 
I have a div with ng-show="PropertyOnScope". Within that div there is a link that has an ng-click that sets $scope.PropertyOnScope = false. The div is hidden. Elsewhere on the page (but within the controller scope of the page) there is a link with an ng-click that sets $scope.PropertyOnScope = true. The div does not reappear and indeed, the ng-hide class is still on it.
 
7:59 PM
whoo, got past the hello world garbledeegoock in GO
 

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