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6:00 PM
@Esailija I'll probably just write a macro :S
@Esailija how have you been doing?
 
Is it common to tell someone to buttf*ck themselves with a mouse?
 
@RyanKinal standing desk post lunch sucks
 
(small debate in C#)
 
@rlemon It can be rough, yeah. But I find it keeps me more alert after lunch. If I sit down, I get lazy.
Hilarity (audio-only, but loud)
 
@AbhishekHingnikar i.imgur.com/CFpa0.png
^ made me think of those fiddles you made
 
@nderscore Okay
 
:( ghost armour place in the mall didn't have N5 covers
and no where has cases either... stupid
 
@eazimmerman lol
@JuzzCoding where are u when u are needed the most
 
@Esailija I'm writing a rather rude reply, I'll CC you
 
6:15 PM
@connor.js voted. Two more needed
 
:)
@JanDvorak it's actually quite a nice little robot ;) css-tricks.com/jquery-robot
 
I'm sorry for sending that email already ^_^
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I replied to you in fb
 
what was that kitkat parallax site everyone was bonering over?
 
@connor.js done
 
ta
 
Why so vehement?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum conditional catch is on mdn, it's implemented in ff
 
@FlorianMargaine you don't say...
 
6:25 PM
@SomeKittens because it's jQuery of course ;)
 
I came across this post on stackoverflow which helped me decided I had to use inline call to a Javascript function. stackoverflow.com/questions/10165141/…Anna 1 hour ago
Sigh...
 
@FlorianMargaine that message is a very nice way of telling Brendan Eich that I'm really grateful but he's not helping me here.
 
You asked for this info in your mail, just replying :/
Ah.
 
m59
Does anyone flag duplicate answers?
 
Wow. A guy got suspended for a voting fraud, then comes to complain on meta
 
6:28 PM
I teach jQuery at a bootcamp, so the students are better prepared for a professional environment.
 
That's dedication! — JMK 1 min ago
 
he got a week off
 
in fact if you look at hit rep history his last three negative rep days were do to 'user was removed'
dunno if that is just coincidence or not.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah I've been following the mails. I told you about mdn because I'd read your mail
 
6:33 PM
@FlorianMargaine ah cool. Send a support mail!
 
@rlemon today's suspension is a week-long one. I think only the first one is that short
 
yes today he was suspended for it. but he has had the rep change due to the 'user removed' before
methink this is not the first time he's created a puppet account to upvote him
 
maybe mods were not sure before?
 
my guess is (this time) the ip on both accounts were the same
 
my guess it was always the same IP
 
6:36 PM
@rlemon who?
 
user986408
anyone here using ghost?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum see meta post above.
also, when looking on his main site account: how the hell did this get so many upvotes?
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A: How does the static type affect this code?

Shoaib ChikateIn Java two phases take place: 1. Identification, 2. Execution In identification phase all static variables are detected and initialized with default values. So now the values are: A obj=null num1=0 num2=0 The second phase, execution, starts from top to bottom. In Java, the execution starts fr...

 
8 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/208435/falsified-voting-in-stackoverflow‌​#208436
 
Yeah, I tried Ghost
 
I've also tried ghost
nice, but feature lacking atm
once they get that reporting page up i'll totally be using it
 
6:37 PM
@rlemon social media?
 
maybe
 
@rlemon do you suspect fraud here as well?
 
Same here. I don't like how they promise analytics but never deliver
 
@JanDvorak hah
I'd love to try Ghost
 
Design-first is a poor methodology
 
6:39 PM
@JanDvorak no, the question also got a large amount of votes.
I just always wonder how people get so many upvotes for this type of crap
asked
today
viewed
978 times
active
today
the views line up with the votes...
 
@rlemon social media, begging on social media, reddit...
 
Lends itself to vaporware and overpromise
 
@SomeKittens the design itself is nice and clean. I do like how the admin interface is done... except that is it not complete.
 
So mobile chat is painful
 
user986408
@SomeKittens true
 
6:41 PM
omg yes it is
I use it often
 
user986408
they should rework it
 
if chrome mobile allowed userscripts I would pimp it out
 
@rlemon I don't care about 'clean' design. I want features. A pretty product that doesn't do much is useless.
 
@rlemon does it not? :'-(
 
Phonegap app?
 
6:42 PM
not native.
 
@m59 That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: !, $
 
m59
!! 0 == "0"
 
Tampermonkey you can install
 
@SomeKittens that's why Apple has sold so many tablets and phones
 
m59
crap...how does that work?
 
6:42 PM
but that is a recent app
 
@m59 >
 
!!> 0 == "0"
 
@rlemon true
 
@rlemon I count that as "supports"
 
m59
Can someone explain the philosophy of that??
 
6:43 PM
@jan they're selling an image and ecosystem
 
@JanDvorak I don't. the browser doesn't support them, the third party app hacks in a workaround
@m59 == does type coercion
 
m59
"0" is not nothing. It's something - a string with a length of 1.
 
@rlemon is that not an extension?
 
m59
Well, of course, but "0" doesn't seem falsy to me
 
this is why you should always use strict equals.
@JanDvorak no it is an app from the app store.
we're splitting hairs here.
 
m59
6:44 PM
Because that one is too up to opinion?
 
@rlemon oh. Still better than nothing at all, though
 
!!> ("0")&&('here');
 
@rlemon "here"
 
@m59 it isn't.
 
m59
!!> "0" == ""
 
6:45 PM
@m59 false
 
m59
LOL
 
== just checks equality, not identity
 
m59
falsy != falsy :'(
 
"0" IS NOT FALSEY
no string is!
 
Empty string is
 
6:47 PM
well yea
sorry
 
@RUJordan Were you bitten!? Strip! Prove you weren't bitten.
 
That was delicious
 
< - pedantic
 
@SomeKittens I wonder if it really is though.
!!> (new String(''))&&('here');
 
@rlemon "here"
 
6:48 PM
nope
!!> ("")&&('here')
 
question about $.each
 
Ha, finally got a seat.
 
@rlemon ""
 
and $.insertAfter
 
@SomeKittens so empty string is not falsy ;)
new String('') is truthy
 
6:49 PM
Because it returns an object
 
so if one is a string object, what do we call the others?
string literals?
 
String literals
 
so empty string literals are falsy and empty string objects are not
 
@rlemon string value.
 
i have a $.each() call that calls insertAfter for each element. For some reason, when the current element is called, the previous element gets removed.
 
6:50 PM
totally makes sense js
 
#programmingIsComplicated
 
@rlemon string objects are just objects that represent strings.
String values are an actual primitive type.
 
@NathanJones jsfiddle?
 
There are 5 things in JavaScript that are not objects, that's string, null, undefined, boolean and number
 
m59
6:51 PM
@rlemon I think you're mistaking my thinking here. I absolutely get how it thinks of it
 
@m59 in short - don't use == and you won't run into these issues.
 
The rest are objects.
 
m59
I just don't agree :)
 
@m59 @rlemon what's the discussion about?
 
@m59 you are expecting "0" to be falsey because 0 == "0"
 
m59
6:51 PM
0 == "0" should be false, imo :)
 
I'd like everyone here to notice I argued a semantic JS point and wasn't wrong.
For once
 
0 === "0" is false
 
m59
@rlemon No, I wasn't.
 
This question appears to be off-topic because it is not in English. (apart from that, the description of your problem is rather vague) — Felix Kling 2 mins ago
 
m59
6:52 PM
Sigh..
 
@m59 oh, you're telling me that the == operator is broken?
 
@JanDvorak working on one. not sure if i can extract that piece out
 
m59
I'm getting treated like a total noob
 
5 mins ago, by m59
falsy != falsy :'(
 
the value of 0 == "0" is moot because you should be using === anyway ;)
 
6:52 PM
@m59 that statement implied you thought it should be falsey
 
m59
jeez. Done talking.
 
sorry we misunderstood
 
I almost never use strict ===
 
@m59 it's really simple, it's described in a tiny algorithm called 'abstract equality' algorithm, very short and precise - not 3 pages at all.
 
@nderscore why not? don't you constantly run into strange bugs?
 
6:53 PM
I always use unstrict ===
 
no, because I know what I'm doing
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm pretty sure I understand it and totally get why it does what it does
That doesn't mean that I have to like it =D
 
@KendallFrey as coffeescript also recommends
 
@RyanKinal what do you use to prop up your keyboard?
 
@m59 no one likes it except for Brendan Eich :P
 
m59
6:54 PM
It comes down to the fact that (without thinking of code at all) I don't like that "0" is ever evaluated in a falsy manner
 
@rlemon Nothing. Not even the built-in legs. I'm more comfortable if it's laying flat.
 
no I mean prop it up from your desk
 
@m59 it's never evaluated in a falsy matter though, is it?
 
raise it up*
 
@rlemon Oh. Nothing. It sits directly on my desk.
 
6:54 PM
no ones arms are that long to reach the keyboard while standing comfortably.
 
@m59 I think the issue stems from the fact == is not transitive (aka a==b and b==c does not imply a==c)
 
... how low is your desk?
 
standing?
 
@RyanKinal is Shaquille O'Neal... it makes sense.
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum so, when 0 == "0" it's saying that the string is LIKE the int, right?
 
6:55 PM
@rlemon My desktop is at approximately elbow-height.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I was about to send my email when Brendan just answered
 
@RUJordan And yes. Standing.
 
@RyanKinal likewise with me. No raised keyboard, no feet things, just flat on desk
 
mines 30" from the floor
 
m59
I guess I'm saying this oddly
 
6:56 PM
@m59 it says that when JavaScript tried to compare a number to something, so it treated the right part as a number too. It converts the right part to what the left part is. And yes, it's odd.
 
@rlemon ... and you're standing?
 
my keyboard needs to be raised another 9-10 inches past that
 
m59
Right.
 
@m59 in that case the number is cast to a string and they are compared
 
@RyanKinal yes.
 
m59
The only issue is with 0
it makes perfect sense with any other int
 
Are you using shelves or something to raise your monitors?
 
with Brendan's answer, my email doesn't really make sense anymore :(
 
pc towers ;)
 
Ah, lol
 
6:57 PM
clever move
 
You should probably do the same with your keyboard
 
and I have some cardboard boxes holding up an old shelf and my keyboard and mouse are on that
 
m59
I suppose what bothers me (not logically, but emotionally) is that 0 is both something AND nothing when compared loosely
 
I was just wondering if you had some other clever solution
 
@FlorianMargaine "and in any event you are not going to get browsers implementing catch-if quickly -- I am 100% sure of this, based on long experience."
That's a mighty shitty answer.
 
6:57 PM
!!choose "cloud in C#" or "clound in JS"
 
@AbhishekHingnikar cloud in C#
 
yikes ! ... fuck but she has told me the path
 
I used to have shelves from home depot for all of my necessary desk-top items.
But then I got my risers for the entire desk.
 
ahhhhhhh
I was wondering how the hell you managed that
you either have insane long arms, or you are a midget.
 
@m59 the word 'zero' is Dutch is 'nul', it gets complicated if you're talking about null so we say 'nill' instead. I guess it's like that?
 
6:58 PM
just throw some cinderblocks under your desk legs
 
but raising up the entire desk makes sense.
 
@RyanKinal you don't like C# do you ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I honestly don't know. I haven't used it much.
 
m59
@FritsvanCampen yeah, probably.
 
6:59 PM
It's actually an inch or two too high.
 
I have one of those old boardroom desks.
 
@RyanKinal and u sent me condolances earlier :-/
 
idk if I could do that.
the desk weighs a tonne
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Because you were losing faith in JavaScript!
 
m59
I think we're all too used to people saying idiotic things about code that we're all (I'm guilty also) looking for something to criticize :)
 
6:59 PM
@RyanKinal holy hell you are tall
 
Why is your desk so high up? Do you ever sit down?
 

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