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6:00 PM
ALLL STABLE!
 
that makes sense
 
im in the orbit
 
and cutting the gimble or the fin movement will help fix that?
 
is it a stable orbit?
 
cutting gimble has for me in the past, but it doesn't always fix it
 
6:00 PM
it's gimbal gahhh
 
and fins... i don't use fins unless it's a VERY unstable rocket
like launching a skycrane into orbit
 
@KendallFrey no, its not looking like it will be, cause i launched totally vertically.
 
@KevinB I always do because it always is
 
really? I regularly use fins on my many-booster rockets
 
@KamilSolecki Then that's not an orbit
The very nature of pointy rockets is unstable without fins
 
6:01 PM
well.. it's a very eccentric orbit with a periapsis inside the planet..
but.. for all intents and purposes, not an orbit
 
can you set up launch from like, a platform, maybe an angled one?
 
you can do angled, with the structural things that hold the rocket up, but... that usually isn't all that useful for a controlled vehicle
 
you can launch from other places with mods
you can also always tow a ship to orbit
 
I usually start a very small turn rather early in the launch and then control the turn with thrust
 
you want to launch straight up and turn over as you gain a little speed
 
6:04 PM
@KamilSolecki You can rotate in the VAB, but usually you want to start straight up and steer in the air
 
I suck, so I just turn to like 4-5 degrees as soon as I launch, then tip over completely at like 30,000m
 
that's fine.
 
not a bad strategy
 
I try to turn 5 degrees every 150m/s or so, I think
it sort of works
 
the space shuttle angles over just after launch (to clear the tower)
 
6:04 PM
You can also take off from the runway if you're good
 
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poor guy
 
trial #3
 
since i dont' have a lot of control of my rocket (no fins, and limited gimble) i perfer to try to keep it going prograde to limit the amount i need to turn the rocket manually
 
I just need to make sure I get the boosters off clean. if I've tipped over too early (before I drop the solid boosters) they usually hit me
 
I still haven't decided if it's better to go shallow/fiery or steep/inefficient
 
6:06 PM
probably depends on your target orbit height and vehicle drag/weight
 
@rlemon Just make sure you're pointing forward during the sep
@KevinB 75km, normal
 
for a very high orbit... probably isn't all that bad to burn relatively steep
 
@KendallFrey yea, which is why I wait till ike 30,000 to start laying down.
 
shallow/fiery usually turns into shallow/splashy
 
you'll get out of drag quicker
 
6:07 PM
before that I'm at like 5 degrees
 
@ssube not for me
 
the shallower it is, the more you have to fight drag
 
@KevinB yea, you want to keep it going prograde and just control that with thrust, when possible. Same in real life. rockets always point very close to the direction of travel so that the air doesn't rip them apart. Of course, once you are higher, you can use more angle of attack.
 
but the more you have to burn at the top
 
@rlemon you can also ignite your next stage before you release the boosters, so you boost away from them
 
6:07 PM
@KevinB but the steeper the more you have to fight oberth
 
crap I messed up again
too steep angle
 
@ssube doesn't always help
500m/s dropping boosters is going to be iffy if you're leaning too far and dropping from all sides.
 
hm. Have you tried putting your boosters on more explosive decouplers?
 
I've used separation rockets
 
or separatrons
 
6:08 PM
I usually 2 stage, with the first being boosters + main engine, then second being dropping the boosters.
 
but those are like mid game parts
not always available.
 
keep main engine at low thrust, and control angle of attack using that engine's thrust
 
angle of attack?
or the gravity turn
 
both
 
Alternatively, give your vessel a slight spin to make sure the boosters fall away :)
 
6:09 PM
You ideally shouldn't be steering with engine thrust
 
well, yea you want to be at max thrust, but while keeping the angle of attack low
 
@Luggage and watch the coriolis effect take off your fins
 
is there an ideal amount of thrust for getting out of the atmosphere? does it depend on angle, or always max?
 
@Luggage not necessarily
 
shit man im still ascending
 
6:10 PM
max is better except for down low where too much migh be a waste
 
272K m
 
(or in real life, dangerous)
 
I turned on all the heat/plasma/g-force difficulty stuff, so...
 
right. keep speed somewhat low until you get higher, then full on (assuming you're pointed in a good direction)
 
that makes sense with my preferred small booster then large booster then liquid setup
 
6:11 PM
@ssube twr of 1.5-3 early on, 1-1.5 later is pretty good
 
twr?
 
how I layout most of my crafts.
 
thrust to weight ratio
I almost never need more than a pair of boosters
 
I'm inefficient and like to lift stupid large crafts
I can usually take quite a large payload into orbit, but that's only fun in science or sandbox
 
I go for tall straight and only use boosters when I need to. Or a 3-common core likve falcon heavy or delta-4 heavy
 
6:12 PM
hm, I should probably keep an eye on my weight
 
my crafts are far simpler... big engine, 2-4 boosters on first stage, next stage loses those boosters and runs on the big engine which brings it almost all the way to orbit, then i have a smaller engine that finishes orbit and takes the payload where it needs to go
 
if I have to worry about cost, no way
 
@ssube yeah, fatty
 
asparagus staging makes a huge difference
@KevinB
if you're not already doing that with >2 booster ships
 
i tried asparagus staging, it works really well... almost too well
 
6:13 PM
fuel crossfeed works miracles
 
@rlemon Does it make the craft fart more?
 
 
no but your fuel exhaust smells funny
 
this is my most recent satellite launcher
 
ew, too many solid boosters.
 
6:14 PM
it worked pretty good
 
yeah, my design for that would be about half taller
maybe a little bit more
 
here you can see that basic design I showed you in the GIMP drawing
 
 
with less or no boosters
 
6:15 PM
but better :P
 
Anyone here have any experience with a line chart with 90+ x values?
 
those are the super fancy satellites that can turn after launching
 
8 of them?
 
I can't seem to be able to fit 90+ values on a graph
 
my 'seed ship' carries 7 satellites and each has a solar panel, a long distance relay, and full control (as long as it stays in range)
and its own engine and fuel*
 
6:17 PM
well better but stull
 
in case it needs to adjust orbit later.
 
yep. That puts them in orbit and then the monoprop engine spreads them out. Each one has solar, a relay, drone, engine, and battery pack.
 
not according to the plan .
 
I stack mine vertically tho
makes staging a pain.
 
yup, Im falling.
 
6:17 PM
failing is part of the fun
 
 
no one gets into orbit their first time
 
@KamilSolecki get a paper and a pen, start recording how many Kerbals you kill
 
it'll become almost trivially easy in time, though
 
this is one of the deployed satellites. If I can get them out of kerbin SOI, they should be able to go quite a ways.
 
6:18 PM
@KamilSolecki Try heading east next time. It's slightly more efficient
 
Premature orbitulation
 
@rlemon lul
next time I shall bring landing gear.
 
I've killed so many Kerbals
 
east is "90" on your nav ball
I think?
 
i like to use a beam going up, with the satellites connected to the beam
 
6:18 PM
just hold D
 
@KamilSolecki the air is your landing gear
 
@KamilSolecki Try parachutes instead
 
@rlemon well, I'm about to murder a couple.
A literal couple
 
Jeb found a girlfriend?
 
Valentina?
 
6:19 PM
Its bob and valentina
aye
 
@KevinB I use a pair of the support beams and a 2.5m fairing around them
 
Valentina is Jeb's
 
sorrey, bob and valentina.
 
which, once I unlock better antennas, will be a satellite of its own
 
6:20 PM
Are all of you employed as developers at your job?
 
so then I'll launch 9 or 13 mobile satellites at a time
 
I'm technically a janitor
 
Nothing like a 6 hour meeting to really kick your tuesday off
 
@Shrek devops m8
 
@Shrek no KSP players
 
6:20 PM
eh, developer, and maybe a dozen or so other hats
 
I should rephrase, primarily engineering roles?
 
also, its really nice to shoot out afterburners before they lose fuel
 
I don't think you know what afterburners are
 
I keep wanting to start a USI game with life support mod
but having to tote around food and oxygen or make it is daunting
 
6:23 PM
I have never ruined a bathroom. All in the bowl, man.
 
@Luggage when you get a chance, youtube "poop shotgun"
I cried
 
No. :)
 
@rlemon I'm glad you're not in charge of nasa
 
trust me it's so funny
 
Maybe.
 
6:24 PM
@KendallFrey taking it to the mun and back is fine.
 
10/10 worth it
 
going out to Duna and back..
well, there's a reason we haven't done it yet :P
 
@SterlingArcher I don't get it
 
there is no Tim Hortons on duna
 
It's just some guy pooping on the seat
 
6:25 PM
@KendallFrey you watched it?
 
when the transfer is like 2 years..
ugh
 
How is that not funny
 
of course i watched it
 
He did it on command
 
yea.. I don't be watching that.
 
6:25 PM
what was that thing they gave him
 
a beer
 
what the fuck does that have to do with pooping
 
do you know what shotgunning a beer is?
 
poop jokes can be funny but I have 0 desire to see poop shenanigans.
 
!!urban shotgun
no cap
 
6:26 PM
@SterlingArcher Well now I do
 
!!undo
!!urban shotgun 2
oh fuck you
 
I KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW
52 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
what the fuck does that have to do with pooping
 
!!undo
 
shotgunning a beer is just when you poke an extra hole in the can so you can chug it quickly.
 
DO YOU
 
6:27 PM
you drink out of said hole.
 
if you poop while shotgunning a beer, you did it wrong
 
you stab the beer with your key, pop the top, and chug it
 
Obviously I added more power. Lets see what we can do now.
 
but you have to stab it where the air currently is, or else it sprays
 
I've always done them where you stab the can, crack the tab, and drink it out of the stab wound
 
6:28 PM
yea
 
I found this yesterday, this is funny:
 
yeah. Stab where the air is, mouth on the stab, flip, pop, chug.
 
@KendallFrey *this morning
 
@KendallFrey lmao
 
4 hours ago, by Kendall Frey
@rlemon the wife scare, it shouldn't be so funny...
 
6:28 PM
was it actually today
goddamnit
 
I wish time went that slowly
 
do the right drugs
 
*quickly
 
@Luggage after noticing the double rendering with react redux with the componentWillMount lifecycle, still no solution to that. i had to add some ugly logic to catch that but seems to be an issue as github.com/reactjs/react-redux/issues/210
 
6:30 PM
jet
 
@Luggage I think they are already doing them
 
@Luggage thanks for helping me catch that
 
@Luggage I'm tryin
 
omg pings
I feel like the prettiest girl at the ball
 
ALMOST
 
6:35 PM
@Luggage left or right?
 
yo
We are using tv4 to validate data against a json schema. That's great.
We want to add a property to part of the schema so that we can do something to the corresponding data
I'm at a loss as to how to fux with it. Anyone got any cool ideas?
 
how to add a property to json schema?
 
no.
something like a callback we can use if a specific property is found during schema validation against the data collection
 
that's cool. so you're almost getting a shuttle to orbit. heh, the real test will be to see if you can get it back home safely
 
and do what in that callback?
 
6:37 PM
change the corresponding data
 
I haven't gotten a shuttle like that to orbit and back yet, but i also haven't spent a whole lot of time trying
 
the schema property is basically a flag
We want to change the data based on ze flag
 
that should be a step AFTER validation, usually.
 
Ok sure.
Still out of ideas
 
all the SSTO's i've built have had issues with not having enough fuel to do much of anything once in orbit
that or being so off balance in orbit that i can't control it
 
6:40 PM
single stage to orbit
 
// well, if it validates, when you just write logic against it like any other object:
if (validate(data) {
    if (data.someFlag) {
        data = { ...data, someAdditioanlProp: 42 };
    }
}
 
sounds like you have that goign right
just send up a fuel mission
 
the data doesn't have the flag
:D
 
send fuel from minmus
or mun
 
SSTOs are usually not your heavy lifters..
at least not from kerbin
 
6:42 PM
for larger crafts I want to send to the outer solar system I usually have to send them into orbit empty, then send up a mission or two to fuel them up
 
i mean, if you can get station parts to orbit using an SSTO, that's really efficient cost-wise, and it's possible of course
 
@Sippy what is the flag?
 
I wanna get a minmus fuel station going.
but I suck at making planet bases
 
you can always hook the part up to a tugto move it to the mun or planet it belongs at
 
you'll just have to scale up the SSTO to haul more. your payload fraction is going to be small
 
6:43 PM
smaller crew ssto's i've been able to do pretty well
just not large cargo
 
I never had much luck getting more than a crew and tiny cargo up
They are the sports cars of rockets. Small trunks.
 
haven't done any of that in this career though, still haven't unlocked the good engines
 
Where did the link to the chatrooms on SO homepage go?
 
footer
hmm..
it's gone
 
top right button in the navbar
 
6:45 PM
^
 
@SterlingArcher Its not there
 
@KevinB my current problem being, it doesnt have enough power to stabilize the orbit
 
I came here by manually typing chat.stackoverflow.com
 
You sure
 
oh, gotcha
 
6:46 PM
keep up fam
 
The footer was the easiest place to find
 
@KamilSolecki you'll have to either add more fuel or more boosters
pretty sure that engine can handle more mass
 
or launch more efficiently if that can be done
 
or add more engines
 
do you know your deltav?
 
6:48 PM
install Tweakscale and just make everything bigger
but the payload
 
looks like no mods
so no deltav
 
aw. that's so useful, though
 
yeah i won't play ksp without a deltav staging display
no thanks
i'd like to see ker made built-in
 
@KevinB im getting more fuel just now
 
give more reason to bring engineers in the base game
 
6:53 PM
oh shit now im out of oxidizer lul
 
just stick with the tanks that have both
 
oh, heh, by fuel i meant both :p
 
the tanks with only liquid fuel are for airplanes
 
or nuclear engines
 
your engine uses both, so you gotta have both
 
6:54 PM
yeah, I missed that fact
 
uses no oxygen
in stock, I think it's the only li only engine
 
low thrust, especially in atmo. not usually for launches
 
ohh yea no
 
my twr is always so terrible with that engine
 
There are no LOX engines?
 
6:55 PM
it's more for sending things far
 
or liquid hydrogen?
 
I dont even use my big engine in the atmosphere
 
@Vap0r there are mods that add a whole bunch of stuff
 
6 burners are doing the job :D
 
Vap0r all angines use just "liquid fuel" and "o2". the liquid fuel can be like H2 or Kerosene
 
6:56 PM
dammit
2 more hours
 
i've seen crew shuttle designs that use that engine with like 0.5 twr, seems wrong
 
yall making me wanna play KSP real bad
 
you probably do want to use your big engine in atmo..
 
@KendallFrey awww yea
 
i mean ships that stay out of atmo
shuttling crew between stations
 
6:57 PM
@rlemon ah gotcha
 
.5 twr is fine for in space.. for most missions
 
i'm too interested in this fallout 4 playthrough atm to boot up ksp
 
@rlemon that is amazing
 
maybe this time i'll actually finish the game
 
@KevinB I've never finished the game just gotten to the institute
 
6:59 PM
same
 
What build are you running?
 
i'm playing survival, first time in survival, so i went with a sneaky build
 
@Luggage would you explain why?
 
loving it so far
rifles and melee weapons. no pistols
 

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