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3:00 PM
In this case I can see how Squad was unprepared to handle it, but still...
 
how so that people encourages you to go in gaming industry
 
yeah for sure, they seem stupid, but the end product is still pretty good at least right?
 
it would be super easy to stop, but the only people who want to make games are college grads, and they've been on that schedule for 4 years
imagine how much better games would be if they had experienced, not-burnt-out developers on them
 
@Loktar Well yeah. Does that mean anything other than that the end product is pretty good?
 
seealso: Doom
 
3:02 PM
the end product could be so much better. there is framerate issues for most players once you get into the larger builds.
 
@KendallFrey idk what you mean, all I'm saying is I bought the product not the developers, I'm sure they'll bounce back or work somewhere else and make something great
 
hell, even the moderate sized ships
 
hmm that reminds me of Baldur's Gate. Heard that EE version of it is pretty "do not buy it"
 
I don't really consider the designer who made my car or anything, they may have been fired a week later, I still enjoy the product though
 
@Loktar The way I see it, they shouldn't have to "bounce back"
 
3:03 PM
@KendallFrey well they gave the idea to a company I mean that's what happens
or potentially what can happen
 
it's a risk you take when selling
 
it sucks, but there is absolutely nothing anyone can do
 
That sounds like victim blaming to me
 
in exchange for capital
 
who is a victim?
 
3:04 PM
I'm just going to leave it at that, to prevent this from becoming heated
 
If they didn't get paid I could see that for sure
like in the case with Notch and the beginnings of Minecraft
when Paypal held like 130k
 
it's pretty hard to have sympathy for Notch, though
 
Have to respect him, dude turned down ridiculous money from everyone
 
dude did nothing but dig himself holes
 
Valve tried to swoon him, he stood fast
 
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3:05 PM
@rlemon Yea Idk if you guys remember but that's why I simply stopped playing. I have a good PC and somehow can't build a ship bigger than the stock saved ones
 
especially after getting booted from minecraft
 
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Shit I can't even run a normal sized rocket at a steady fps lol
 
@KendallFrey Too late.
 
@Jhoverit 64bit helped, and they have made other improvements.
 
eh he still held onto his idea/product and sold for what he wanted
 
3:05 PM
how do you extract the string div from <div></div> using regex?
 
turned out well for him financially
 
but 300+ parts and your launch is <=14fps
 
@deostroll don't
 
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For some reason tho on my Mac it runs smooth af and I can make HUGE ships.... Totally bizarre it's not even a nice Mac
 
how to test for one such string at least?
 
3:06 PM
element.textContent === something;
 
^
 
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@rlemon For sure but it's the same thing. Make anything actually impressive and you cannot fly it lol. By the time it reacts to you hitting the button it;s ripped half the ship apart and not even shown you yet
 
@rlemon now add the text and profit
 
haven't had that problem tbh @Jhoverit
 
@KendallFrey you're more invested into the game then I am, honestly I never really get into the behind the curtains stuff, I just enjoy the end products. I can understand why you'd feel the way you do though.
 
3:07 PM
I only get lag .. err.. framerate issues
 
I am on a mac, gimp is still loading fonts from when you linked me it
 
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Yea the lag
 
no input lag
 
thanks for pointing it out to me though I had no idea regardless until a few mins ago :p
 
and the framerate issues stop once I get into orbit
 
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3:07 PM
Its not input lag it;s overall lag
 
but that launch is painful
 
@Loktar Yeah, I still love the game enough to buy it for someone else if they think it's too expensive. I'll buy the shit out of that game.
 
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When I can load half of the ISS in orbit at more than 3fps I'll play again
 
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never...
 
I have managed to launch a larger satellite though
 
3:10 PM
I've been getting decent framerate on medium sized stuff, with a $50 video card...
 
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Afaik it's not the GPU that's bottlenecking @ssube
 
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I'm sitting at like 30% mem usage and 20% clock when I hit 3fps lag lmao
 
although at deploy ... I may have forgotten something ... Some parts felt back to the Earth <_<
 
NEW RECORD: 257m up!
 
wat
 
3:12 PM
I'll have to watch cpu/mem next time I play. The fan kicks in, but not very fast.
 
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My CPU works hard, but I have an i7 it's not like I'm trying to run this on a potatoe
 
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</ageOldKSPComplaints>
 
the weirdest thing I've seen is 64-bit seems to be more stable on my machine, 32 kept assploding
 
oh, heh. well, technically it's a base
 
@ssube If by assploding you mean running out of memory from mods, yeah thgat's to be expected
 
3:13 PM
@KendallFrey naw, vanilla and tiny ships. I would play for a few hours and it would just fall over.
I don't think 64-bit has crashed on me yet.
 
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@Loktar wait how does it run for you on moderate to large sized ships? Since you have like, really good hw
 
I have to restart every few hours even on 64bit
it doesn't crash, but it gets really slow on changing between space center and ships
 
@Jhoverit I haven't played it on this machine
 
i haven't played in weeks
 
I have a really hard time building excessively big ships. Not "I can't make this work" but "I don't need that."
 
3:15 PM
I've been keeping an eye on the recent launches and improved my designs to follow.
 
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You should just load the Adam's ISS save and show us your PC sitting at 140fps the whole time
 
yeah i don't like building really big ships... seems like such a waste unless you're bringing them home or leaving them in orbit with a purpose.
but then you need such huge stages that just get dumped and destroyed
 
you can do that for the fun ?
 
I'd rather build a huge plane than a rocket.
 
@KevinB watch Toxic Timewaster
he makes HUGE sstos
 
3:16 PM
Something that can carry a pair of rovers and land them on the poles.
 
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I build huge rocket planes. Not just GIANT straight up rockets haha.
 
so how to test for a string is of the pattern <div></div>
 
str === "<div></div>"
 
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Get to engineer your aero that way instead of just like. Hitting go
 
@deostroll stop XY'ing
 
3:17 PM
What i like doing is being really efficient with my launches, sending up 6-9 satelites at once, sending a large number of tourists out at once, etc on the middle size rocket frame
 
I only recently discovered that a powerful low-Isp jet engine can be more efficient than a weak high-Isp one
 
@Jhoverit where can I find it?
the save I mean
also wtf is Adam?
 
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It;s fun to use lots of aero surfaces and action groups so that like you have multiple stages of flight getting out of the atmosphere
 
not a big fan of the largest rocket size, at that point you're just bruteforcing things to space
 
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@Loktar mods.curse.com/shareables/kerbal/… Adam is just the author AFAIK
 
3:18 PM
@Jhoverit Let me know if you can make a working space shuttle replica. I tried a few weeks ago, and it was fucking awful.
 
@KevinB if you're going for a very wide orbit, or out of orbit, a pair of the biggest booster under a tiny payload is perfect
 
exactly
 
you just railgun the thing out of atmo, out of orbit, then switch to a tiny liquid engine
 
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That save has everything assembled in orbit already
 
alright I'll give it a shot
 
3:19 PM
this isn't even his biggest craft iirc
 
@Loktar keep me updated
 
I don't open any of those here at work, so, yea
 
I'm considering renaming "observable" to "DumbEventEmitter" everywhere, wdyt?
 
3:20 PM
@rlemon I built one of those, but much smaller. It was surprisingly easy to control.
 
cc @Zirak @MadaraUchiha
 
I don't have a pic of the launch stack unfortunately, but it looked damn cool
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum In your talk, that is?
 
Observables still confuse the shit out of me... maybe reading this code will help
 
@MadaraUchiha yes, not for ecmascript
 
3:20 PM
I really wish I could place solar panels on the bay doors...
 
My current career hasn't gotten to the point of having a spaceplane return vehicle yet
 
@ndugger can I try explaining to see if I get it right?
 
so i'm stuck with capsules
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Aww, that would have been awesome
 
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@KendallFrey I have not tried to Ive just used ship files on that
 
3:21 PM
I still haven't payed back my science loan
:p
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you should definitely propose it
does node really need EventEmitter?
 
hell, i don't even have a minmus station yet
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Nah, I've had it explained to me so many times, lol.
 
just got my mun station in place
 
@ndugger give me 5 minutes
and you'll understand Rx
 
3:22 PM
I'm busy right now
 
It's absurdly overcomplicated when people explain it - that's why I'm giving the talk
Sure, some other time
 
We're about to get git secrets set up
 
@ssube yes, streams are based off ee
 
I finally learnt how to type properly
my typing speed has suffered a little bit my hand feels better
 
once i get the full science tree unlocked, plan is to replace all 3 station cores with a more sturdy core using the bigger docking ports, then start sending stations out to other planets
 
3:25 PM
let's say I have a large group of cases in a switch that I want to alphabetically organize based on the case term using regex. I'd imagine I'd have to capture each case statement as a group, and then alphabetically sort. Is this possible using regex?
 
@KevinB minmus station is easier tho
mun has more gravity
 
yeah, but i had a contract for mun station
 
ahh
 
So far i've used the same design for both kerbin and mun, plan to do the same for minmus. 3 launches
 
google fined 2.4 billion euro bbc.com/news/technology-40406542
 
3:26 PM
core, hab/LS, solars
 
how do you get and install mods for kerbals? I'm following the links from that giant mothership video, but they all end up at dead curseforge pages
 
pretty much all mods are on github or similar
CKAN has a lot
if you cannot find them there, the forums should/always has mega download links
 
God dang gpu prices are INSANE.
I might sell my other 290x for $350
 
is KIS, KAS, MechJeb, and maybe Planetary Bases a decent set of mods? I've gotten decently far in vanilla (out of the solar system under power), but haven't done much more than that.
the lack of building/launching off-planet is getting annoying tho
 
KIS/KAS, USI Colonisation mods, Tweakscale, Mechjeb, and maybe kerbal alarm system
then all the texture mods your system can handle.
I hate playing without Tweakscale
imo it's more useful than mechjeb
 
3:33 PM
oh, I do need that
these high gravity launches with oversized parts suck
I want to launch little needle drones from the mun
 
can you set the property of an object as a function? Like: var obj = { content: "TEST", action: testFunc }
 
you can set the property to a function, yes
or you can use a function to set the value
const foo = { bar: getBar() }
foo.bar will be the result of getBar() at the time it's defined.
 
I'll show you what I'm trying...one sec
I'm trying to pass the function to be the onclick event of an anchor
I was doing it wrong...The section where I set the onclick handler should not have been a null check like that
 
        newItemA.onclick = x.action != null ? "javascript:void(0);" : x.action;
yea was about to say
your ternary is backwards
 
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I'm connected to a RDP session and keep forgetting the music is playing on my local machine and getting confused af
 
3:39 PM
haha yea
 
Possible active shooter on the Arsenal. Installation is locked down. Run hide fight.
 
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Can't play music off my phone because I have that never ending crash loop that locks up my phone... I had to remove the entire app for now lmao
 
that's neat
 
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3:41 PM
Listening to some chill jazzy shit today Idk what to even call this guy
 
bad
jazz gives me herpes
 
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It's definitely not jazz lol. Some weird shit
 
@ndugger what do you prefer to listen to?
 
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lol play.google.com/music/m/… Yea these are all weird but I like it
 
3:59 PM
@Vap0r 90's punk usually, but I'll listen to most genres
 
ok.. just re-sized a running partition and re-made my swap.. time to reboot and see if I join the ranks of @towc for breaking linux or not
 
I love you too
 
<3
well. it boots. thought I saw an error during boot i need to check logs for
 
> oot
the canada is strong in here
 
Americanized
 
4:10 PM
america: putting the boot in oot
 
Skull trumpet is just a Canadian full of doubts
 
doot doot eh
 
pingu
 
excellent. looks like it went perfectly. That was almost 2 hours of reading and checking things
that I'll forget by the time I need it again
 
what did you end up doing?
 
4:13 PM
deleting the swap, re-sizing the live root partition, re-making the swap and resizing the ext4 fs on root
it really wasn't that bad once you know what to do
 
Whoop whoop! Texture support coming to Two.js this summer! github.com/jonobr1/two.js/issues/54#issuecomment-311010701
 
but i kept running into small things like "this partition isnly aligned for optimal speed"
that i read about, did some math and corrected.
 
what came first two.js or three.js
 
one.js
duh
 
zero.js
we use zero-indexing in this chat room
 
4:16 PM
TitleCase and zero-indexing? What is this, C?
 
We should make a new language called C- (C-flat)
give those sharp fuckers a run for their money
 
well, as far as languages go, the opposite of C# (and everything good) is D
 
Everybody loves Ds
 
it's a fantastic collection of antipatterns
 
Ds nuts ayeeeeeeee
 
4:19 PM
the D, not D
without the the
 
CDs.
 
CDs nuts.
 
CDs nuts ayeeeeeeee
 
gotteem
 
4:23 PM
well done, boys
 
he kind of sounds like Chris Daughtry
 
cc @rlemon
catchy base, ridiculous songs
@SterlingArcher is that not good? or is it?
 
I mean, I think it's good
 
4:25 PM
avril lavigne
 
I love Avril Lavigne, at least before she was replaced
 
when storing posts by users in something like a blog, does it make sense to store them in markdown?
this way maybe users can apply settings without much of a strain on the backend, but on the other hand this puts a bit more of a hastle on the client as they need an MD parser
 
@towc if you don't store them as markdown, how will the users edit them later? Caching the output html is a different concern for a different class.
 
@ssube that is a very good point
 
you can, and should, have both stored in different places. The source is long-term and rarely access, the html is short term, ephemeral, and randomly accessed. So, database and cache.
 
4:28 PM
also, the client doesn't need to do the conversion (not that it's that bad)
 
all makes sense :)
 
I recently found that my cache and client (socket, graph, w/e) actually had the same API, except a couple options like TTL, so I got to tear out a ton of code and unify those.
 
do you do something special for caching? Or do you just mean to store the html anyway, and not try to generate it for every request?
 
I thought you were a knuckle dragger, not a dev
 
I do it after hours to keep me sharp
can't pull cables all day
 
4:30 PM
or that it shouldn't even do a DB call on the request, and only update what it needs to send every time the user updates the post...
but that's basically having it in a DB
 
@towc depends on whether the html changes per user. If you have access control in place, a simple cache might not be possible. If you have a limited number of roles in that access control, it might work out after all. It depends.
If the page is either visible or not and you can check that before hitting the cache, then you can keep one copy and just error out.
 
or cache for normal users, and don't cache for admins that might see a page with more content.. something like that.
 
Gitlab has a pretty interesting and deep caching system for access-controlled fragments. It can be problematic, it's super easy to leak data from your cache (Cloudflare syndrome).
 
these are probably premature optimizations 😒 But it's really good to know I have stuff to look into
 
@KarelG the aerodynamic forces will be irralvent in this scenario 3kg lead ball will be about 12 cm diameter and the 1kg iron will be around 11cm
 
4:35 PM
they will have different terminal velocities, right?
terminal geocities
 
@Luggage not much difference I think
 
a shared web host for ascii-only sites?
 
that way the surface of lead / iron ball will also become a factor
 
@rlemon Did you make scrolldowntoriker?
 
4:39 PM
there's a more practical issue though. I want to store how many views each post has. One way to do it correctly is just store the ids of the users who have already seen it, and for the number, get the length of that collection. But that doesn't take into account non-registered users. A way to get that into account is count the number of unique IPs, right? If I use a cookie to identify them and stuff, it'd be much easier to "attack" and greatly increase the number of views
how ok is it to use IPs as rough sources of uniqueness though?
 
you use google.com/analytics as a source of all of the data
that's not something you can write yourself in any meaningful way
 
it's very very easy that a same person will change IP for whatever reason and look at the post again. Or that a new person will adopt the same IP as someone else. I can't imagine it making too much of a difference, but someone very likely already did the research on this...
 
my house has 2-10 people and a dozen robots on a single IP
 
and there's also that
I'm checking ga out
 
IPs are meaningless for anything other than routing, that's all they're meant to do
 
4:42 PM
never thought of using it programmatically
 
you can firewall them, that makes sense, but using them as a source of real data does not
 
I might not be able to use GA after all :/
I'm doing this open source thing (as practice, don't plan people to actually use it) where people can clone the git repo and just launch the sails app on their own domains
that would mean a GA account for every domain, afa I can see
what other options can you suggest?
 
you put the GA credentials, as with all credentials, in a config file
 
but then the backend of one of the networks would have access to the info from every other network
at least as far as those analytics
I mean, I guess it can't hurt too much, because each network would maybe expose all of that info anyway
 
only if you accidentally share your config full of secrets, which is a pretty serious mistake
 
4:51 PM
I need to look more into how to use GA I think
 
or how config files work
 
-_-
 
you generally don't run with the example config, you have to fill in some fields, like credentials
you wouldn't distribute your GA credentials, that would be astoundingly foolish
 
@Shrek no
 
which is more configuration than no configuration, which already seems kind of silly. But if the advantages are good enough, it makes sense
I don't want to be that kid, but if I can avoid relying on google, I will
 
4:54 PM
@KendallFrey yay im orbitin'
 
now land
 
woooooo
 
no wait
do an EVA
my first EVA I ended up stranded without a ship
 
do a flip
during your EVA
I made the mistake of doing an EVA while flying, once.
 
been there
done that
 

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