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10:05 PM
I'm done for the day. Thanks sofar @Neal @rlemon
noight
 
Make a bunch of static classes instead
with a handful of decorators on top
that's the best
 
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@yes
 
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I don't think that reverts my decorator
 
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It's just yes and no now
 
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10:15 PM
@uncertainty
 
who's that chick with the suit on?
 
nice store, aye
 
@littlepootis suit stores pretty much all look the same
 
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10:20 PM
lol quit being sex @SterlingArcher
 
Fuck I look good
 
I mean, wow!
 
@rlemon people too :(
 
I don't like the suit -- I mean, you look good, but I don't like the suit
 
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@SterlingArcher is that second pic in a mirror or do you work near a window on the right side
 
10:22 PM
lol
 
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I can explain my left side being twice as tan as my right from driving... Not the other way around tho
 
Lol I'm at the tux shop yo
 
only my arm and my left leg
not my face
(driver tan)
 
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lol
 
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Gets asked direct question
 
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10:24 PM
Answers with
 
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1 min ago, by Sterling Archer
Lol I'm at the tux shop yo
 
@Jhawins he's too busy admiring himself
 
What? Lol I'm not at work!
Dude lol I am I look incrediballs
 
@SterlingArcher you were saying?
lol I'm such a perv
 
10:42 PM
and then, silence was
 
lol. rhinoceros ftw
did you know it was revived?
as in... is an actual party in canadian elections
 
yea, there are a bunch of crazy ones
USA too
they never really get anywhere or any seats, but often get a handful of votes
 
yeah.. I am somewhat aware of that. you know, the father was general secretary for rhinoceros party for the last 5 years or so
and... I am not even kidding.
 
I'm sorry?
 
I finally left the professional PHP world! to work basically in JS now (not sure how better that is, but w/e). I guess now I'll at least be thrilled when people say "JS sux"
@rlemon my genitor, was general secretary for the rhinoceros party, from 2010-11 to 2015 ish
 
11:10 PM
yes, I'm not asking for clarification I'm consoling you.
 
hahahaha
tbh, I lived pretty well through it. the guys know how to party, at the very least
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier fyi, it doesn't sux, but suck.
(j/k… but … uhm… hehe)
 
woa.. was quite confused on which room I was in for a time :D
 
I'm convinced both suck, but for me, js is less sucky.
 
@bwoebi right, I see there's a slight difference in meaning there.... :P
 
11:14 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier this is the PHP room, it just changed its name to JavaScript temporarily.
 
@rlemon I'm having some kind of a hard time grasping everything. I'm being propelled in a huge react-redux project now, and... well, it is somewhat hard
@bwoebi tbh, you got me doubting. for at least 5 seconds. you!
 
@rlemon It depends largely on what you do. For what I do, JS is more sucky.
 
@bwoebi well yea, that is why I said for me ;P
 
I'm raging right now but I'm not sure who to rage at
 
If I had to use these ****** frameworks in PHP… I'd choose JS immediately…
 
11:16 PM
talk to me Kendall, what's got your cables in a kink
 
I've been searching for a library to do something for a couple of days now
 
@bwoebi you mean wordpress/laravel and the likes? Yeah, javascript in a freaking second
 
when I should have just used P/Invoke right away
it's less than 5 lines of code and works great
 
I mean… the leading JS frameworks are a mile ahead of most PHP frameworks.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier exactly
 
our problem is every year we get two more
 
11:18 PM
s/year/day/
 
(read, 100 more, but two stick)
 
@rlemon our problem is that the crappiest of them stick…
 
which makes one wonder about our respective userbase
 
like, I just (months ago) found github.com/monkberry/monkberry
looks cool. I like it
but how long will it get updates?
 
11:20 PM
@rlemon usually, if the userbase is large enough and something goes unmaintained, there are some few who'll fork and continue it…
The issue is rather when will people start moving to the next big thing
 
yea but then updates and patches come slow/not at all. I know it is all 'excuses', but they are real concerns before I invest months of my time with this
 
What is the best website that offers paid online courses in software development?
My company is paying for a course, and I'm mostly finding free shit courses when I Google
udemy.com, does anyone have experience with them?
 
I've done a subscription at pluralsight
was worth the money imo
 
isn't that just videos? no assignments etc.
 
it has training courses, which include videos and the files they create in the videos
they have a free trial you can see what it is about before paying
 
11:25 PM
I've heard great stuff about Pluralsight, but the rule is that the course has to be like taught from someone. You have to be able to contact someone with questions.
But yea, I've tried PS before and I like the quality
 
it's the only one I have experience with, sorry
 
@rlemon that's true too… but sounds better than status quo of our framworks…
 
Ok thanks anyway @rl
 
last php thing I did I used CI for
 
emon
 
11:28 PM
was years ago
 
@rlemon /runs
 
lol
it seemed appealing at first, but I realized my mistake after I was too far in to change
 
yes… CI makes me running very quickly…
 
at the time google gave me suggestions like CI, Symfony and stuff like Cake
Symfony iirc had a stupid learning curve
and Cake looked stupid
so :P yea
 
@rlemon (with f instead of ph)
@rlemon popular doesn't mean good… ugh.
 
11:30 PM
yea well I was out of the game so to speak and needed something fast to make a cms
 
If I had to choose one classical big framework, I'd probably go with Symfony… but… well.
 
now that code is all gone :D so I don't have to worry
 
hah :-D
 
hehe indeed
 
/me goes back to loving his amphp/aerys…
 
11:32 PM
my history with PHP was using it back in jr/hs (so like.. uhh 1998-2002ish) then going to c# then back to PHP 5? years ago for a very short bit before going to js
 
that seems... a rocky path :D
 
I hear php7 is good? do you still have 900 legacy functions that do basically the same thing?
but you can't shouldn't use them.
 
@rlemon the functions don't disappear because backwards compat… but … uh … just don't use them?
 
I recall it made finding good documentation a nightmare
which to use? which to avoid? fuck this blog is 4 years old now..
(js suffers the same fate now)
 
@KendallFrey did you just zoom in on my nuts?
 
11:34 PM
@SterlingArcher they're nuts? woah.
 
I don't know, did I? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@SterlingArcher up for beer?
 
@bwoebi it seems to be it would be easier to remove deprecated stuff in a language where your interpreter gets upgraded by you
obviously still expensive, but more manageable.
 
@rlemon It somewhat began when they started adding querySelectorAll() and then heaped helper function upon helper function to it…
@rlemon A bit… but only a bit.
 
@bwoebi QS/A is a shit tonne better than the half dozen others :P
 
11:36 PM
I mean, I'd love to remove the abomination called __toString() from PHP… but uh…
 
why, __toString is such useful!
 
@rlemon I mean, the old ones now were all legacy basically…
@FélixGagnon-Grenier seriously?
 
(never used it, obviously trolling @bwoebi)
 
ohh yea
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier ah lol
 
11:36 PM
if you need super raw speed some of them are more useful
but often that is a moot point
 
@rlemon yeah, sometimes the arcane legacy functions of PHP are helpful…
 
I can't wait for that time when I'll be making apps for enough people that I actually have to start caring for real about performanceç
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier probably won't be any time soon for a lot of us (or ever)
imo most out of the box solutions should be able to scale to a decent number of users
 
@rlemon what do you call decent? 10k req/s?
 
unless ofc you're doing stuff like animations or games?
@bwoebi I'd call 10K concurrent users a good amount
 
11:39 PM
@rlemon concurrent is not an issue nowadays. The issue is rather dispatching all the requests from them, or in case of Websockets, broadcasting.
 
yea, and that is why I'm saying it probably won't be an issue for a lot of us
 
I mean, accept(), kqueue() and Co. are quite fast…
 
we see like 1000 concurrent users at once.
max
and I know there is a lot of small shops like us out there, a lot more than there are huge ones
 
Yeh, if it's just a small shop…
@rlemon but still, what's also important is low latencies at 1k req/s
 
so last year I tossed a small clump of flame moss at the bottom of my pond, didn't think much of it
it isn't supposed to survive the winter... just went to hunt out my turtles from the pond for the winter... I have like a foot thick matt of flame moss on the bottom :/
and the turtles are hiding in it
 
11:44 PM
yummy :)
 
I really don't like getting into the pond because it is heavily populated with leaches
 
don't they cut your fingers?
 
not that I'm squirmy, it just doesn't appeal to me
@FélixGagnon-Grenier what would cut me?
 
turtles. they bite hard, no yes?
 
only snapping turtles
well, I'm sure all turtles can bite me, but only snappers are troublesome
 
11:46 PM
hmmm... turtles. ninjas. turtles. ninja turtles.
 
mine are named donatello and raphael
;)
 
@Abhishrek not this weekend unfortunately I have a wedding to go to
 
oh it was sept :|
well, I'm leaving states on 21st :[
so probably beer the next time I'm here
 

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