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11:00 PM
ok i will try
 
damn I really need to get into the christian web design world
 
Awesome Worked! question though...when I run it I get success in the left hand of the screen?
 
All of the sites suck bad.. and the designers sites are equally as horrible. exodusdesign.com/enter.html
 
how come that shows up?
and how do I get rid of it
 
@rlemon exodusdesign, interesting name choice.
 
11:02 PM
do you think they'll need me to be christian??
is that a requirement?
 
@DavidBiga your fiddle does not indicate that, nor it's a default browser behavior to announce any XHR activity the page might do.
 
I would have such fun with konami code easter eggs
 
@rlemon Tell 'em you worship the lemons.
 
@JanDvorak It just started doing that when I put in the function...I want to get rid of it.
 
"I worship fruit ok! your 'good book' says that isn't allowed... racist"
 
11:04 PM
@DavidBiga your fiddle does not indicate that, nor it's a default browser behavior to announce any XHR activity the page might do.
 
@JanDvorak How do I stop it though
 
@DavidBiga can't tell without knowing what causes it
 
I know the data's default has success in it
it just started doing that when I started to use the $.when function
 
I don't understand that last sentence.
 
never did before
 
11:07 PM
lemonholydesigns.com
"Get the website that gets you worshipers! Prices starting as low as $666! ( What a steal! )"
 
When live gives you lemons... make a christian website design e-shop
 
I'm afraid of lemons now.
 
really fuck with people:
"You are on this site because GOD put you here and wants you to purchase our product. Otherwise why would you be here? Check Mate... go get your wallet."
 
@OctavianDamiean have you been to the lemon party?
 
m59
any reason why this might sometimes work in IE8 and other times...not?
if (!window.addEventListener) {
	window.Element.prototype.addEventListener = function(type, listener, useCapture) {
        this.attachEvent('on'+type, listener);
    }
}
 
11:09 PM
@JanDvorak No, a lemon dispersed it's juice all over my keyboard and made it all sticky.
 
@m59 any library that adds addEventListener to window?
 
m59
then the function ought to not run...right?
the function runs, but then eventListener doesnt work.
On my script test page, it's great. On a joomla site I tried it on, fail
 
lol
then it's something in joomla conflicting
 
Perhaps window.Element doesn't have a prototype? It doesn't need to (although it's nice if it does).
 
window.Element === Element; // true
 
m59
11:12 PM
I just can't fathom how joomla could screw up that hard.
 
@m59 over write listeners with innerHTML garbage?
innerHTML should just die
 
innerHTML is great for testing.
 
STDs maybe
 
m59
dangit this is just silly :(
 
non-standard implementation + allows the browser to do the guess work. fuck innerHTML is stupid.
 
11:15 PM
(Syntax Transmitted Diseases)
 
when you take shortcuts you sometimes step in mud - I'd rather walk the long clean path.
 
hey, an STD assassin.
That's a pretty good idea.
 
Pro tip: stdLib.h is different from STDlib.h
 
@Zirak 3 gram of Fosfomycin.
 
No wait. If you can get him to sleep with someone, that someone can just stab him.
 
11:16 PM
!!/google fosfomycin
 
Anthrax cures it
But then you'll have Anthrax
 
Death cures anthrax.
 
badgers with rabies is the answer to all problems.
 
What cures death though?
 
11:18 PM
Taxes don't cure anthrax, sadly :-(
 
@OctavianDamiean nano technology
 
Death isn't a disease, nothing to cure.
 
@rlemon That didn't work out quite so well in the Pegasus galaxy.
 
@OctavianDamiean they were not creating hybrids - or enhanced humans. they created a technology with it's own manifest destiny
we need to progress our evolution, not further technology to sentient states
 
The Reapers may disagree
 
11:20 PM
Wait, no they injected nanites into humans to cure diseases.
 
Boy...that was such a BS ending.
 
that is where the Alterins went wrong.
 
Death is a genetic disorder, curable only by God
 
Oh that.
 
@OctavianDamiean what eppy?
jack ageing?
 
11:20 PM
Hey, is it allowed to ask to look at my javascript in this room or not?
 
that was nano tech to make a human grow in a day and die in 28
 
@rlemon That one where they hijacked McKay's sister to hijack him afterwards.
 
@J.Pip it is allowed. Not saying that anyone will respond, though.
 
ahh
with any tech advance you get risks. would you condemn modern medical science to abolish biological warfare?
 
Without Todd they'd been screwed.
 
11:22 PM
@J.Pip so, ask.
 
@JanDvorak thx, I'm helping a friend building a gallery and I'm stuck
http://melissakonigs.appspot.com/gallery
 
@rlemon Yes!
 
we just have to hope we will be able to combat any malicious uses of the technology before we have another hiroshima
 
Nah, just kidding, I don't care.
 
if I debug in firebug i see that it enters the function
but when I click on the arrows nothing happens :/
 
11:23 PM
which function?
 
Man, people suck. Why can't we have awesome things without people getting the Prisoner's Dilemma wrong...
 
hi guys :) , i want to change this script here to make the box shown on pageLoad not on the button click , jsfiddle.net/xL9Pv/12
 
@rlemon I heard the North Korean's are working hard on it. :D
 
galleryInit()
 
m59
I finally came up with a much cleaner solution than what I had before. It still doesn't help me avoid a jquery-tastrophe coming soon codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/21605/…
 
11:24 PM
I bind a click event on everything with a certain class
 
I would like to believe we have become slightly more humane about killing eachother. We understand nuclear warfare would end badly for all. hence only two being detonated for war in the history of the world.
ten get dropped and we're all gone.
 
I've also created a question on stackoverflow about it
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14843541/stuck-on-creating-jquery-gallery
 
m59
@rlemon I know you want to help me not use jQuery :)
 
@rlemon wat? Ten? It'd take so many nowadays?
 
not with the power they can be made at.
 
m59
11:25 PM
rather, I could do it without jQuery, but it would be a monstrosity even so.
 
one pussy one get dropped on the states - they drop one that takes out a continent on whoever did it.
but ten well placed ones would throw us back enough that most of the human population would die due to the fallout + lack of infrastructure to support them.
wouldn't be instant. but we would still be fucked.
 
In the mean time, Yellowstone and we'd be dead.
 
yup
all of us
 
Nature still has us beat
 
no where to hide.
 
11:27 PM
We really need some redundancy aye
Spread out through space a bit
 
moon collides with us again... well now life alltogether is gone.
 
Well the moon can't just fall out of orbit
 
@phenomnomnominal some sort of system of gates to connect us to other star systems... maybe a 'stargate'
 
@phenomnomnominal not unless we help it.
 
They should just flood Yellowstone.
All of it.
 
11:28 PM
It was the americans who were going to nuke it (the moon) aye?
 
@phenomnomnominal no but it could be knocked out of standard orbit with a asteroid or small UFO
 
@rlemon, yes. stargates. lets get on it
 
stop talking and help me @rlemon :)
 
echo "me";
 
...yeah, that helps...for an underground super-volcano. Good thinking, @OctavianDamiean
 
11:29 PM
@echo_me shhh, men are talking.
 
:)
 
Water has been known to be a good de-activator of volcanoes.
 
about SCIENCE
 
That's why islands aren't formed from volcanic eruptions
 
@Zirak I know right? Then you poke some holes into the crust and you're fine. :D
 
11:29 PM
Exploding a nuke on the Moon would be a bad idea. Not due to the moon missing, but also due to the radioactive cloud that's bound to reach Earth anyways.
 
the moon is incredibly close to the earth in comparison to moons on other planets we can see.
also, quite large.
 
the larger threat is a UFO gliding in behind the moon and us not detecting it until it's here.
not a spaceship UFO - a big ass rock/ice UFO
 
@rlemon, have you seen Iron Sky?
 
nay
should I
 
11:31 PM
Nah
 
lol
 
I heard it's teh shyte.
 
The previews were awesome but it wasn't so good
Not as good as you expect when you hear "Nazis hiding on the dark side of the moon"
 
we don't have a system to monitor for large asteroids or comets currently. We know they can be a extinction causing event.. yet we just idly ignore it.
we've been lucky if you ask me.
 
I'm afraid a starship-UFO would be more successful in hiding behind the moon than a big-chunk-of-ice-UFO.
 
11:32 PM
It was still pretty cool
 
@JanDvorak not 'hiding behind' - more obstructed from our limited viewing angles because of the moons massive area in our sky
 
Lets be honest. No matter how likely it is that multiple intelligent species have/do/will exist, the magnitude of time and space means the chances of two ever meeting are practically impossible.
 
@rlemon so, "outshined"?
 
eh, if you wanna call it that.
 
> I’m happy to say that you have been cleared to graduate with First Class Honours in the BE (Hons)MSE endorsement.
FUCK YEAH
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11:35 PM
I've seen a few things on it actually. The chances are not as slim as we should be comfortable with.
but then again, the amount of the sky we currently monitor is VERY small.
@phenomnomnominal if we can one day travel faster than light, and move to these other star systems in a sensible measure of time.. I will have to agree. I don't find it likely we'll find any other civilizations even remotely close to our level of technology. and if we do find any intelligence it is likely to be much much more advanced, or much much less advanced on it's way. The universe is a chaotic place - again, we are lucky we've been given as much peace to evolve as we have been.
... life is probably everywhere.. but life doesn't mean intelligent life ;)
 
Even on Earth, intelligent life is pretty rare :-)
 
it is.
we are one of maybe a couple dozen creatures on this planet that can display an arguable amount of intelligence/consciousness. The rest are basically organic machines running off instinct.
 
Yeah... instinct and soap operas
 
lol
well for this discussion lets just say: the ability to recognize yourself in a mirror and appreciate it is you and you are a being in this universe and you affect the universe around you === consciousness.
 
you understand my question rlemon? i want change from the button click to on windowload
 
11:43 PM
in a very loose definition.
we are but one of a few that can do that.
@echo_me I'll be honest - besides mocking your name I have not read a single thing you've said.
 
@rlemon whats wrong with my name? i didnt like the first one
 
@rlemon I recommend the word "sentience". Do you think that crows are sentient while most cats are not?
 
I don't think either are.
 
Do you think children under the age of six are not sentient?
six months*
 
well... studies show at about 18 months (give or take of course) - do start to appreciate themselves as a part of the surroundings.
but there is no clear definition on what defines consciousness.... so
I don't claim it to be a fact
but it is what I believe (makes sense to me)
 
11:48 PM
Mirror test favors species that use vision as their primary sense. Creatures (ahem Stewie Wonder ahem) that lack sight are at a disadvantage in the mirror test.
 
I define intelligence by the ability to meta-think; i.e., think about thinking.
 
@Zirak this is hard to measure
 
That makes most sense to me.
I don't need to measure it
 
@Zirak do you count Just-in-time compilation as meta-thinking?
 
Are you drunk ?
 
11:51 PM
@JanDvorak actually it was the grocery cart test. they took a kids grocery cart toy and attached a carpet to the bottom of it (so the kid couldn't push it because they were standing on the carpet). at around 18 months they showed the ability to recognize they were stopping the cart from moving and move the carpet out of the way first.
I don't call it sound science... but - well.. it was a result.
 
If JIT compilers ran themselves...
 
like I said, how do you define something we don't fully yet understand
 
@Zirak self-compiling OS is sentient?
 
To an extent, yes.
 
Does decompression count as self-compilation?
 
11:53 PM
Now you're just being stupid
Look, all software has a basic flaw: It needs to be killed at some point or another.
 
@JanDvorak I'll try to find the book I read about this stuff in. I have to have it around here somewhere. When I do i'll give you the name. It was a very interesting read if nothing else.
 
So no matter to what extent it's intelligent, its life-span isn't measured in years.
...when did I say that?
 
i edited litle the code , how can i make it desapear the text when click ? like this (click to dismiss the notification) jsfiddle.net/xL9Pv/12
 
If a computer can appreciate itself as a part of a physical world and it's surroundings and make it's own decisions based (partly) off this information i'll consider them sentient.
 
As an existentialist, I oppose bringing the physical world into play.
 
11:56 PM
@rlemon Robots?
 
The world you observe around you is an illusion of your mind
 
@KendallFrey sure - if it can do these things.
 
But I'm tired for pedantry
 
@rlemon so, projecting its own physical body into the model of its surrounding is enough?
 
The problem is, there is no fine line for that.
"appreciate itself as a part of a physical world and it's surroundings"
Does that mean a robot that knows where its arm is is sentient?
 
11:57 PM
@Zirak well this is the world I observe around me (the physical one) . if there were a virtual existence and it could appreciate it as part of that, and me as part of that and us as individuals and made decisions on that.. ok.
@KendallFrey think broader.
 
@rlemon amigo relomoni helpino meio pleaso :)
 
thinks about a broad
 
try to think about how appreciating yourself as a part of your surroundings (meta or physical) change your outlook on life.
what if you were just a consciousness with no body or physical being or knowledge of self. just made decisions on arbitrary inputs.
 
I'm afraid robots have already passed that line. Pretty much any robot needs proprioreception, and self-simulation for motion planning has been used as well.
 
@rlemon Isn't that a brain?
 
11:59 PM
@echo_me stop fucking spamming for help!
 

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