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4:00 PM
Figured it out, I'm a moron...
 
?
lol
 
I figured it out
the CSS was working fine
but another element was on top of it
Kittens Law: You'll figure out your error 10 seconds after you finish posting a question.
 
LOL
CSS TIP : if hover doesn't work right click -> Inspect element to find out what the **** is happening
 
bah
I try to avoid CSS whenever possible
 
@SomeKittens Throws a cup in disguise on you
 
4:04 PM
a cup in disguise? how does that look like?
 
@GNi33 whatever it's disguised as
 
as Batdog maybe?
that would be cool
 
@GNi33 a cup in disguise =[content removed because of profainity]
 
LOL
 
i really didnt wanted to say that sorry
 
4:06 PM
a tweet of rlemon comes to mind
 
:-)
i have a twitter too
 
I don't
Well, I sorta do
 
you do?
handle?
 
that is 100% content rip from my companies marketing brochure.
 
I made a twitter that tweets me when my bagel's done
 
4:07 PM
word for word (translated)
 
@rlemon bro ... CHINA
@rlemon i hope they didnt copied the product aswell
 
i know but like really... content scraping is more of a problem than i knew.
they are trying currently.
no one seems to understand our product is better because the designer / owner of the company has been in the food/pet industry doing moisture control for ~30 years.
so they reverse engineer the hardware, write some crap code for it and expect it to work as well.
where as the guys who built the system (not me, i'm only a year into the company) spent all 30 years hashing out the best product.
it was a dead industry when they started :) they had a nice little niche
 
Ali
got to do coding,

got to do coding,

got to do coding,

:D lol
timetothine is back lol
 
@rlemon That's why I never produce anything. If I don't make it, they can't steal it.
 
Ali
lol
 
4:14 PM
anyone else having issues with chrome?
stable
 
Ali
nope i love it
 
^ or so they claim
well I love it too
 
Chrome sucks dude, use IE
 
translations arn't working.
 
IE6 was the last good browser.
 
Ali
4:14 PM
LOOOOOOOOOL
hate IE
 
:P
 
also every 2/3 page loads I get "I'm dead Jim" blue screen
refresh a few times and the page loads.
 
Flash crashes all the time in Chromium :-(
 
@Loktar I use lynx
 
chrome not chromium
I use ICE
 
Ali
4:15 PM
so who gonna tell me today to what to put as personal statement for my CV for my second job hunt :D
lol
 
I haven't found much difference between Chrom/ium
 
chrome is more stable imo
 
Chromium is more stable imo
 
Ali
not when i watch,,,,
 
had nothing but issues with chromium (mind you this was like 6 mo ago on ubuntu 11.10)
 
Ali
4:18 PM
so who gonna tell me today to what to put as personal statement for my CV for my second job hunt :D
lol
 
chromium hung on any reflow (canvas, animations, simple Dom manip) and never kept cookies after you killed the instance (really! I submitted a bug report on launchpad and a few others reported it as well) and a few other annoyances
 
Ali
@rlemon mate need your help today, I need to use javascript on my CV :D lol
 
8k rep finally
 
@Ali If you're looking for a job, it's better to stand on your own two legs
 
yay! 2 more k to the big 10!
 
Ali
4:19 PM
@SomeKittens I am in a job and want to change it
 
@Ali SELECT good.job FROM job_pool AS good WHERE good.pay > 60000 AND good.fun = "All the time!"
 
@Ali Still, SO won't be there to do everything for you.
(says the guy at work, on SO right now)
 
@SomeKittens sure it will... you see it all the time.
 
Ali
@SomeKittens am not dependent on anyone just want advise :)
 
@rlemon I'm so sending that to my coworkers next time they complain
 
4:24 PM
..
ah wow my web is efffing slow today
 
@Ali Lie on your resume. Tell them that you invented Google and the internet
 
@rlemon 60k?
 
Ali
oh well, I might had, you never know :P lol
 
you'd rather be lying on some beach with 6 hot girls than looking for a job then, I guess
 
@GNi33 well who wouldnt tbh :P
 
4:36 PM
hehe
well... nerds/geeks/hackers/younameit will be nerds/geeks/hackers/younameit after all though ;)
on the beach with notebook and hi-speed satellite internet-connection (and 6 hot girls)
 
@FlorianMargaine good entry level jobs pay about that
 
@rlemon Well, I'm getting completely ripped off
 
40-60 in my experience for entry level.
depends on the company / product / technology i suppose.
 
@rlemon Also on the difference between "by the hour intern" and "full time entry level"
 
<--- entered current position at 35k
<--- has since gotten raise
 
4:44 PM
woah
35k?
as a jr. dev?
 
Yep
I wouldn't exactly consider what I was doing "junior" either.
I was hired as one of two web devs in the company
 
I entered my job at 37 and have had two raises since.
 
35k seems fair for a jr. dev, as long as you are doing jr. work
 
and am expecting another soon
 
I entered at umm 72k
 
4:45 PM
O_O
 
have gotten a few raises since then
well this job
 
Figured
 
first programing job was like 62k
 
my boss: "I have to enter you as a jr dev but you'll be doing sr work. so i'll make sure in 1 1/2 years you're up there"
 
but.. they are gov jobs
 
4:46 PM
and so far he's pretty good - both raises were ~10%
 
nice!
 
About 6 months ago, I basically threatened to leave. After that, they gave me a 21% raise.
 
the dev for example who thought prefilled text in an input is called a watermark... makes over 80k :?
shes borderline development retarded
and makes a crapton because its the gov.
 
my last dev position (internal apps C#.NET and winforms and I lead the QA dept.) I started (2003) at 30K then when I left (2007) was at 45K
I just get the shit end of the stick with money
i'm a lemon
 
yeah its hard to get into that mindset
gotta be forceful :P
 
4:48 PM
@rlemon Sounds a bit like "you are qualified for sr work, will do sr work but i'll pay you as a jr dev"
 
Software engineers who graduated from UofW this year with a BCS, 3 years work exp. no management exp. specializing in JS/HTML/CSS/SQL/Python makes Average = C$59,581
according to payscale.com
 
nice
 
that is not me btw
 
yeah 60 is probably the bare min I could work for in a pinch now
 
@ThiefMaster problem is I have no formal education :/
 
4:49 PM
fuck formal ed
neither do i
I dont even have a HS diploma.
 
then how did you get these jobs?
 
cool thing about our jobs is we can show what weve done/can do
 
I'm hoping SlickText fills out my salary in the next year :-D
 
because uunless I already have a foot in the door most companies wont even interview me
 
military exp probably helps me a bit
 
4:50 PM
yea but you need them to first look at you to see what you can do
yea maybe
 
most job postings I see say degree or x# years of experience
 
Great, so the CS degree I'm getting isn't worth much in the real world?
 
I usually fit the x# of years
 
Truth
@SomeKittens The piece of paper, no. But the knowledge that comes with it is valuable.
 
degrees for web dev (imo) are a waste of money
lots of money..
 
4:51 PM
my first job (programming) I was actually applying for a QA position but the dork posted the wrong description on the forums so I went in there with my Developer head on and at the end of the interview she asks me "Do you have any questions".... "Yea... What is SQA? And why do you keep talking about it!?"
^ I got the job :)
 
I learned a ton about algorithms, data structures, and efficiency
 
hah nice @rlemon
QA sounds like hellish work
 
@Loktar Nah, it's a CS degree, doing Python/C++/Java. We focus on the abstract (stuff like Big O, etc) so that it's not outdated as easily.
 
@SomeKittens I mean its valid, but I make as much or more than lots of people with degrees, even masters
 
she laughed and asked what I thought I was applying for - so I busted out the description posted by one of the HR dweebs and showed her. she laughed and then gave me the sheet for the actual position. we both agreed that if I were qualified for development I would likely be qualified for QA
 
4:53 PM
if you have passion + degree.. youll be alright
I guess I always forget that. Degrees for development are not needed if you have a passion for it.
 
ok, thanks
I'm just worried about job prospects after graduation....
 
I was 15 when I got my first Developer position (legally)
 
@rlemon I made the mistake of thinking IT's where it's at in my teenage years
 
@SomeKittens move to canada. tonnes of dev positions just to the north of you
 
@rlemon oh right, it's dollars :D
 
4:56 PM
@FlorianMargaine did you think I meant Yen?
 
@rlemon My dream is to create a startup in Silicon Valley
 
nah, €
 
So Canada would be in the wrong direction
 
@SomeKittens start it up in canada - move to cali.
seriously. tonnes do it.
 
and then hire me!
 
4:56 PM
cheaper to get it going in canada. (cheaper in mexico)
 
How's Immigration, etc?
 
a lot easier to americans to get work visa in canada than the other way around.
 
Start it up wherever the hell you happen to be. That's that the Internet is for.
 
haha, sadly
 
when I go do service jobs in the US I buy my tools there otherwise they wont let me cross the border
 
4:57 PM
I'm in the middle of freaking nowhere, and launched a startup last month.
 
@RyanKinal You sure it's the middle? Try beating Upstate NY
 
@SomeKittens Northwest PA (booyah)
 
@Incognito lives in Ancaster.
I have at least heard of where you both live
 
try beating a 800 citizen village in Austria, people....
 
Ancaster is like ~1000/2000 people max
 
4:58 PM
@RyanKinal So it's pretty much the same.
 
Also, where in NY? I went to school outside of Rochester (Geneseo, in particular). I grew up south of Buffalo (Westfield)
 
I'm currently enrolled at Roberts Wesleyan.
My cousin-in-law went to Geneseo
 
Nice
 
(Originally from Oneonta, working there now, living with parents for the summer)
 
5:00 PM
I used to own a buncha mailboxes in Rochester
 
lol
Anyway... I have a meeting. back in a bit.
 
@rlemon What's the story behind that?
 
My first tech job was with the guys who figured out how to steal direct tv
there were 8 of us in the company when It started. I was helping built the bootstrap
and did some programming for the cards.
we've since been sued and shut down a few times (last time they got us good enough to keep us down).. so izz all good now. (cept i'm barred from ever owning a DTV Satellite ever again and if I get caught with their equipment i get a "Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go. do not collect $200")
the police raided all of our houses... that was a fun day. but i digress. back to work.
 
haha
sounds exciting
 
@rlemon That's a reason why I wouldn't want such a job.
 
5:05 PM
I could do without TV
@ThiefMaster 'gratz on Modship
 
@rlemon sounds fun ! Want the same !
 
I wouldn't care much about the police raiding the workplace. But the home? No thanks. Especially not with them taking the computers.
thx @SomeKittens
 
well when your entire business circles around a grey market industry (stealing satellite signals is/or was not illegal in canada, but was in the states.. how we got away with it for SOOO long.)
@ThiefMaster i'm glad you understood what that meant.
all my pc's gone.
all my laptops gone
any hardware I had laying around gone.
 
All your warez gone? ;)
The fact that they can take clearly unrelated hardware such a mice, monitors etc. is ridiculous anyway.
 
they took any cheques and money orders because "there was probably cause that they were related to the company or services we provided"
 
5:07 PM
I wouldn't have anything to do if all my tech got stolen
 
I wouldn't care so much about the tech. That's easily re-bought.
All the data on the harddisks however...
 
Yeah....
 
that's what the hidden server in the attic is for ;)
 
I mean, Dropbox is neat (it probably didn't exist back then), but it only goes so far...
 
well I saw them coming and the only incriminating thing I had was my work laptop so I microwaved the HDD. fryed my microwave... but good luck recovering that data!
 
5:10 PM
@rlemon I thought that sort of thing only happened in the movies
 
@GNi33 7 hours in my house... they went through everything. trust me they know more creative ways to hide shit than you could come up with.
 
wow, 7 hours? holy crap
 
@SomeKittens yea it's not as exciting as the movies (no snakes or guns or Jackie Chan) but it happens.
 
@rlemon I think the only way piracy would be more popular is if Jackie Chan came to your house when you were caught
 
@GNi33 every drawer, furniture was moved, vents were checked, they went through the garbages, etc..
 
5:11 PM
but of course you'd need a server somewhere far away
that sounds pretty crazy
how old have you been again?
 
yea It was kinda crazy. I was 14 at the time
 
all that, and you were 14?
 
@rlemon: Would be great if you added the "Condescending Wonka" image to rlemon.github.com/lememe
 
wow, still living at your parents place i guess?
 
started programming ~8y/o
@GNi33 my mom did the call centre / marketing for the company (not a techie at all) so she bought a house for my bro and I to live in and run the business out of the basement (after a time when the raids and grey market was turning a little more black we split the one business into like 6 - everyone ran a mini business from their homes to avoid getting caught) and she lived with her boyfriend.
it's pretty much all in the news... you'll have to dig up the articles because this was all ten+ years ago
Zed Marketing was the name of the original company.
keep in mind these articles are about very specific things... because iirc you still can steal the signal.. they catch you on other things
 
5:17 PM
What's up with all the cloning if jQuery object when the original object could be used? $(meme_list_container.children('li')).more().jquery().stuff()
 
How can I get the document of an SVG file?
Wait, no, the error's somewhere completely different
 
@ThiefMaster haah?
line?
 
meme_list_container.children('li') returns an array like object.
 
and better use .prop('checked', true) instead of setting the attr to a string value
 
5:23 PM
the collection is handled differently.
attr just needs to exist.
value is irrelevant.
i set it to a string for readability
 
.filter() returns a jQuery object
and yes - but setting the boolean property is still cleaner (equivalent to .checked = true instead of .setAttribute('checked', ...))
 
to you
:P
also that entire code block was Esailija's creation :P
i pasted it in, it worked, i looked away and never back.
v3 will be jQuery free! (UI needs to be changed first... responsive mobile friendly meme generator layout is effing hard to produce)
 
eww ducks
 
document.getElementsByClassName(id).style.stroke = "url(#disabled)";
^"Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'stroke' of undefined "
What am I doing wrong?
 
It returns a collection, not an element
Array.prototype.forEach.call(document.getElementsByClassName(id), function() { this.style.stroke = '...'; });
 
5:27 PM
blast.
 
ninja'd before I could even finish it!
FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
and yes, id as a parameter to that function is a rather poor variable name
 
That's why they call him....
(•_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)
The ThiefMaster
2
@ThiefMaster Yeah, fixed that. Code's in a state of flux
 
Still getting the same error
 
5:38 PM
can we see more code?
 
function click(className){
console.log(className);
Array.prototype.forEach.call(document.getElementsByClassName(className), function() {
this.style.stroke = 'url(#disabled)';
});
}
 
className is reserved
 
It's attached to the SVG doc I keep mentioning
...it is?
 
yup
 
shakes fist JAAAAVASCRIIIIIIPT!
 
5:39 PM
function click(klassName) {
    Array.prototype.forEach.call(document.getElementsByClassName(klassName), function(node) {
        node.style.stroke = 'url(#disabled)';
    });
}​
 
ah, that did it
the node was what needed to be changed
 
yup
this references the window object in that scope
but className is reserved. get in the habbit of not using it as a variable name
class and className
 
will do
 
is why you see klass used so often
 
Item #437 of Integer.MAX_VALUE learned
@rlemon I actually haven't seen klass used until today
 
5:42 PM
orly
 
But I haven't seen many high-klass examples
 
It's German, hurts my eyes very much
 
Klasse (zehnten)
class className classList hrmm... i think those are all of the class related reserved words.
 
I'll just name all my variables Beverly from now on
 
5:45 PM
hrmmmm.... ECMA standards say they are
 
@SomeKittens That's more like Dutch (english/german mixed)
 
@copy how does the profile game work?
 
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A: Create a User-Profile Mini-Game

copyConway's Game of Life +1 generation - +5 generations - zoom in - zoom out Load pattern: random - glider - gunstar - snail - lwss - lightspeedoscillator1 - tumbler Used Python and SVG output. I have tried using single pixels at first (so you could toggle single cells), but it did not work ...

 
I mean, what kind of code do you need to put in your profile :p
 
5:46 PM
Referrer and python script that generates SVG
 
Then just <img src="http://myserver/game.py">
 
anybody can do that?
 
Sure
 
?
for SO or in general?
twitter for example stores the image locally so you cant :?
 
5:47 PM
@Loktar look at @copy's profile
 
I assumed SO did too
ooh ok cool
yeah if you could with the avatar that would be awesome
 
this avatar is handled by gravatar
 
I used to do that with PHP all the time
^ just a .php inside of a directory called whatevs.png
 
mod_rewrite makes it so much easier than that
 
5:52 PM
You don't even need a proper extension mostly
 
yeah just return the correct headers/mime type
 
@copy That URL smells like mod_python or CGI :)
 
It's FCGI in this case
 
> Currently ranked 76 out of 16826
tisk tisk
you should be higher than that!
@Loktar also who made Pandemic /2
i love[d] that game
 
umm
I forget
 
5:58 PM
towers of Hanoi is buggy
 
I talked to the guy actually
tried to get him to do a vs for the gov
 
great game
 
yeah
 
I always thought it would be cool to make a canvas port
 
theres 4 iirc
 
5:58 PM
I first found it on kongregate
kongregate.com is a good site btw
 
yeah pandemic, pandemic EoM, pandemic 2, Pandemic American Swine
yeah kongregate is cool
I also like newgrounds
 
i like the games... don't quite like the site
seems cluttered to me
 

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