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8:00 PM
Do you know how to examine library conflicts? Any article or idea?
 
Possibly stupid question
 
when you preface it with that, it most definitely is
@TeachMeJava no idea, I'd just start one at a time or a binary search :)
 
@TeachMeJava Introduce them back one-by-one until you find the broken library and then go from there AKA what dave said
 
@TeachMeJava run this command ./gradlew :app:dependencies or for a fancier look maybe try github.com/vanniktech/gradle-dependency-graph-generator-plugin
 
8:03 PM
Now I know where the error originated. I will examine all libraries. Thanks @DaveS @ballBreaker
 
So for any computer the rule of thumb is not to hold down the power button or pull the plug to turn it off (force shutoff) unless its frozen. This is because it cause data corruption if its in the middle of writing to the disk. But many devices the only way to shut it off is by pulling the power cord (like Alexa or Google Home). Why is this ok?
 
because they don't have hard drives
Would be my guess
And if they do they're flash drives
 
But even computers with ssd's have that rule.
 
But I can't see why it would have a HD/flash drive
 
They need some place to store information
 
8:05 PM
Well it wouldn't be written to by the user
 
Even if its just a couple MB.
 
and would have no reason to be
Other than to maybe store user info like the associated google account, which wouldn't matter if it was lost
 
Most of the time users aren't saving data on their computer, its the system doing shit in the background.
 
I don't know how those systems work so I can't tell ya
 
I don't think it's good to do that with most devices that have moving components because it's not good on the hardware to shutdown like that. Not just for saving data
 
8:08 PM
So, for an SSD it doesn't really matter?
 
Maybe not for the drive but there are other moving components
 
You'll lose your data / corrupt it if you unplug in the middle of a write
 
Good nighting weirdos!
 
less likely corruption and most likely just loss of data though since flash drives copy an entire block at once unlike hard disks
 
@codeMagic like what?
 
8:10 PM
In a computer
Fans
And I don't know if they necessarily need to be moving parts or not
But I don't know a whole lot about hardware, either
 
2
Q: is it okay if I just turn off power if I have a SSD?

theModerator713I have heard that normal HDD can have bad sectors if the computer turned off from power(without shutting down) ,so I'm wondering , since SSD has no moving parts, is it okay to turn off computer from power.

hmm they are saying shutting down an SSD like that isn't a good idea
 
I don't think we said it was a good idea
 
Nope, I think I said it wasn't
> mechanically less easily damaged
"less" being the keyword there
But I'd rather ask someone I know and trust in that area
 
ok
thanks
 
In the meantime, I'll just keep taking the extra half second to tell the computer to shutdown instead of ripping out its lifeline
While we're on the subject, I'm told you shouldn't open a microwave door while it's running
 
8:18 PM
by who?
 
@codeMagic I honestly don't think this is an issue, the microwave door acts as a "faraday cage" in a sense, that the microwaves can't pass through the glass because of the metal mesh inside of it. I think even if there was still microwaves bouncing about in there when you opened it, the actual exposure to radiation would be so minimal that it would be negligable
also as it works not every single moment of the microwave running are microwaves being produced, they're on an interval and end up dissipating, and then turning on again...
 
@Mehdi I am checking @Mehdi It looks like useful in my case
 
Tim
@Chulo no
 
@Chulo???
Are you cuban?
 
There's another cuban here?
 
8:25 PM
@JBis A friend/ex-coworker who's opinion I trust. He's a mechanical and electrical engineer
@ballBreaker Has nothing to do with that
The harm it can cause physically to the unit itself
Same thing as I was talking about with the computer scenarios
Maybe it's not something that happens often. But, I pay for the things I have so I might as well take care of them and take an extra second to do things right
@Mauker news flash...you aren't cuban
 
I am most certainly not
 
lol
ok, the way you said that made it sound like you were
in my head anyway
 
@codeMagic then no
the unit isn't affected
that would be dumb
 
You don't think it can have mechanical or electrical issues?
 
There is no difference to the microwave between hitting the stop/clear button and opening the door
 
8:30 PM
@JBis to answer your question, anything that isn't a software update is stored in the cloud typically, most of these devices warn you not to turn off during a software update
you might have a local cache but it's something that can be recovered/regenerated
 
@codeMagic I don't think so.. I'd have to think about it a little bit, sorry I thought you meant harm to humans haha
 
like your alexa just records audio and sends it to a server for processing then play backs some output
it's a microphone/speaker with a network connection, that's it really
 
But as far as I remember from school (learned about them in my physics labs) that the killswitch is the same across opening the handle and pressing the button
I think to rectify that, even if they aren't the exact same, there would be capacitors in there to maintain charge on something that can't/shouldn't lose it instantly
 
I don't know...just sharing what I was told and that guy knows a lot about that stuff
Anyway, I'll keep hitting the stop button until I see/hear something contradictory that I believe
 
@codeMagic lol I was referring to what Ray said :p
 
8:36 PM
got you
 
@codeMagic hmm interesting, I'd have to re-look into it, just going off my memory now of how microwaves work
 
I think worst case scenario it might be hard on the gears/fans
but I've been doing it my whole life and never had a microwave break on me
open the door if you want, it's fine imo
From a microwave user manual > Opening the door or pressing “STOP/CANCEL“ can make the oven enter waiting state.
 
Yeah my understanding was both mechanisms work the same way
and it wouldn't make sense that they wouldn't
 
agreed
I think cM's mechanical engineer friend has outdated info
 
Yeah the button would just open a switch in the circuit, and opening the door would sever the same electric circuit
 
8:46 PM
exactly
 
Coolcool :D
Nice to knowI'm not crazy
or at least maybe two of us are
I don't want to be crazy and alone
 
yeah I think you're just alone
lol sry
 
lmao rough
 
that was mean
 
8:50 PM
Dave, you're lame
but not as lame as cM
 
lmfao
oh you two
 
9:08 PM
@JamesBot can't stand to see this guy's face, he played on a series "the ranch", where he didn't spend a second not crying (also, this series suck)
 
the ranch is awful Mehdi
but you should watch That 70s Show
 
It's a timeless classic
Until That 20's Show comes out in 30 years
 
> Eric, a high school student, and his group of teenage friends struggle to lead purposeful lives whilst going through the tumultuous phase of adolescence.
the description doesn't sounds very appealing XD
 
the description of any sitcom ever sounds like that hahhaa
"Just a jew living in New York with his wacky neighbour, and his two best friends" - Seinfeld, probably
 
idk how good those clips are but it's a funny show
it's the whole reason Ashton Kutcher was a thing to begin with and he just gets made fun of all the time in the show
 
9:19 PM
just how old is this dude? XD
damn, he's 41 and looks like he's 25
 
yeah
 
> As of 2020, Ashton Kutcher's net worth is estimated at $200 million
joke's on me for making fun of him
 
lol
 
I also like him in "Two and a Half Men"
 
"The Ranch" is for basic girls who like their pumpskin spice lattes with a dash of country, needless to say my sister likes it a lot
 
9:26 PM
Also it's what got Mila Kunis famous
 
(sorry if you like the show, I'll buy you a pumpkin spice latte next fall)
70s show yeah
my favorites though are hyde and fez
 
Yeah sorry didn't realize you switched
sme here man
As I get older I like Red more and more as well
Always liked him but now I'm beginning to resonate more
 
yeah he was always funny
 
Red was awesome
 
@JBis theyre right
you still get software corruption
 
9:27 PM
Yeah the only thing you should pull the power cord on is your dying grandmother who's been on life support for way too long and just wants to die
 
@ballBreaker and they say the younger generation is too reliant on tech
 
@ballBreaker bruh, she's probably running XP
i had a french exam today, still running "FRKeys XP"
can anyone reproduce this meta bug? look at the top right, theres the list of tags below group description. click one, and 404
anyway gn all
 
@Hack5 Always been that way AFAICR
@JBis that was a good one, nice, +1
 
It's not really a bug
 
 
9:31 PM
It only happens on those that don't have a wiki
@Hack5 ^
 
@JBis You're a quick learner, nice
 
> What technology company was named after its founders genitalia?
Microsoft
haha
 
lmao some of these are fucked up
> Technology is like the woman I desire.
It's moving fast and I can't keep up
If you don't see an issue with that, you are an innocent soul
anyone off the top of their head know a quick git command to diff one file on your branch from master?
 
sudo rm -rf *
 
Just read this. I'm done.
> New technology uses bacteria to power a laptop
I guess you could say the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the dell
 
9:36 PM
> Sorry! The server is under heavy load right now. Please try again in a minute or so.
 
@JBis ugh
 
@DaveS quality joke
 
That's so fucking meta
 
its so bad
 
@DaveS mm thanks, it worked!
 
9:39 PM
- sent from chrome android
 
tbh I would switch to branch, copy the file out of the directory, switch to master, paste it in
then use whatever pre-commit diff tool you prefer
|| lmgtfy "diff single file between git branches"
 
@DaveS yeah that's what I've done
I just took the file from the master branch , downloaded to my desktop, and eyes
the git command is easier
 
also though the first google search result has answers
 
will have to remember this
git diff mybranch master -- myfile.cs
pretty easy as long as I remember the two guys in there
 
9:43 PM
also if you're using intellij it's pretty easy to do it by right clicking on a file, git, compare with branch...
 
haha...
cries in IBM RAD
 
Brutal XD
that went from 0 to 100 in 1 message :D
 
yikes
you need to quit your job
IBM RAD is a warcrime
 
guess that makes me a war criminal
I'm oddly okay with that
 
ive never actually used it but the google image results make me shudder in fear
 
9:45 PM
But yeah .. Plan is to update the resume once I find some time
@DaveS literally just an eclipse clone
 
yeah looks like it
eclipse isn't terrible if you don't have other options
vs code and AS have me spoiled right now
 
Yeah that's my thoughts on it
 
they're the ones who gifted eclipse to the open source community
 
I've dealt with eclipse enough over the years at least it's a familiar beast
does EE really well
 
imo, and many developers disagree, but I think eclipse is an awesome IDE
 
9:48 PM
I'm actually with you on that one Mehdi
There are better alternatives now a days, but it doesn't really make it bad
Just not-as-good
The worst part about IBM RAD so far is that it's too outdated to get dark theme
and my eyes aren't happy
 
hence warcrime
 
bahahaha yeah honestly
At least eclipse gets the dark theme, this RAD version is too low, but it's the latest one that works with our websphere <_<
cries in white
 
websphere sounds like something you'd make up to sound smart at a party
 
lmao yeah it sounds like a 90s/early 00's buzzword
 
use AI to store your webspheres in the blockchain on the cloud
 
9:51 PM
@DaveS do you know how long it usually took me to deploy an ear file of 20Mb on websphere? 45min
 
eww
 
I wouldn't deploy unless I was reaaaaaaaally sure I was done
 
if you synchronize the synergies on the websphere, then you can maximize the uptime of the flipflop connectors to the channel modulators
 
I heard that helps with side flubbing
 
god damn it, wasn't that a thing
 
9:52 PM
you can also for lower costs extract the 38 transistors of the side rotor from the turbo encabulator and use them as quantum particles
 
wasn't there some old GE article on flubbing
I feel like Mehdi sent me it
 
YES
 
I think it has an RMI connector to integrate with websphere
 
lol T_T
pre-famulated malulite
 
9:56 PM
With the new Rockwell Websphere, you can collapse your web package into one spherical container to maximize packet transmittance
 
this video triggers me
 
Tomorrow your pm will show up: hey bb! I got us the approval to finally expose our app via web services to our Cobol systems. Bb: nice! I know spring boot and jersey, should be able to create a rest api in a week! Pm: what? No, we're using soap
 
Brings me back to my engineer consultant days AKA 2 years ago
 
I did my final year internship on SOA stuff, that was very painful
 
we've had to build PHP WordPress plugins that interfaced with undocumented SOAP APIs before
 
9:59 PM
Basically pick your poison (or poisons) XD
nonetheless, I think the enterprise stacks are very educative
 
if you like ancient history
Carl's perfect for it, he already knows it all
 
I like being a full stack dev in some ways
in others I want to die
 
seriously, who can learn all this stuff...
 
you didn't
 
cries in enterprise
 
10:02 PM
your job was to work on one specific pixel in one of those blocks
 
that's even more depressing
 
@DaveS I wish
 
was*
now a days they hire a single jr dev to maintain it all
 
I know you were talking to mehdi
just interjecting into it
 
and somehow the world isn't collapsed
 
10:03 PM
lmfao yeah seriously
 
FFS AS
After so long, it started to break again
 
when my dad graduated multiple companies flew him out to their main office and put him in a hotel for an interview. recruited right on campus
 
@Mauker I can safely say that eclipse hasn't broken on me in like 5 years
so get fucking rekt bud
 
gives a junior a 15y old java ee application, and after 3 months:
> these millenials don't want to work, they want to make an impact and use hipster technologies
 
(these are the lies I tell myself to sleep at night)
 
10:05 PM
lol
 
My enterprise application is legally allowed to vote
 
I've got 2 companies that want to fly me to LA
 
@DaveS what was the usual stack at the time? cobol? pascal?
 
he worked in telecommunications so Basic and then C I think
you had to reserve time to compile your builds on the super computer
 
:48343149 well my mommy told me I can be anything I want to be, so yes
 
10:06 PM
it would take 4 hours to compile and they'd have 2 hrs left to test in their 6 hr block
 
oh Dave I love those stories
 
@ballBreaker I could say the same
 
wow
 
"And then a single fuse blew and we had to start over"
 
#makeAndroidDevGreatAgain
 
10:07 PM
but I bet they didn't consider this to be painful back then, right?
 
it was state of the art
 
No they probably thought it was magic
 
codeMagic
 
Especially Dave's Dad
he thought it was magic the most
 
both my parents worked at the same company but my dad was the lead programmer for the core infrastructure changes that let AT&T perform caller ID
their company went under when cell phones got big
 
10:08 PM
So what'd your mom do
 
she moved into management after being trained by my dad and doing idk what for a while
only hear the big stories
my dad didn't like to manage people so rejected management promotions
 
don't tell me what 'trained by my dad' is a euphamism for please
 
not a euphamism
it's how they met though
 
@DaveS That's an achievement to be proud of, seeing your life's work being at the core of everything we take for granted today
 
jokes aside yeah, that's pretty neat
ah fuck I finished my work like 20 minutes ago and didn't notice the time because of you guys
 
10:10 PM
Today: so what did you do? I developed many Android apps for companies that no longer exist
 
Gotta go gents, catch ya tomorrow!
 
later bb
lol basically Mehdi
I stitch things together on a limited budget
 
Cya bb, rumors are probably already spreading that you're an over achiever
 
ok 2 absolutely the worst fucking annoying things is the world:
having to deal with JNLP and JSP apps in 2020
and AS cache coruptions
Raiffeisen BIZ application is complete fucking mess
 
@IvanMilisavljevic you should you wanna write their name? it's a public chat :P
 
10:20 PM
they already know
 
hahahahaha
 
when you install the app for the first time
 
I mean, we are technically a room holding the usual garbage :D
 
you have to sign in with IE + specific version of java
 
applets?
 
10:22 PM
i have no idea whats under the hood
they do have test file in the package
this comes with their application
i've tried donwloading .jnlp from the link
 
> The Java Network Launch Protocol (JNLP) enables an application to be launched on a client desktop by using resources that are hosted on a remote web server. Java Plug-in software and Java Web Start software are considered JNLP clients because they can launch remotely hosted applets and applications on a client desktop.
 
its launching the app and errors out immediately
yeah thats .jnlp installation
 
what are you supposed to do with this app? debug it?
 
im just trying to pay my bills
and i've been trying for 2 hours straight
 
ah XD
I thought it was one of your customers... :D
 
10:26 PM
hell no
 
XD
 
also that other thing
AS cache stuff is so fucking annoying, had this issue 2 times today for 2 complete different projects
my project compiles just fine
but i cant use the ide
 
@RaymondArteaga Nope
:D
why ^?
I will see the answer tomorrow because it's 23h30 right here
 
because he's Cuban
now your previous statement is wrong, you saw it today
 
Tim
11:02 PM
E m b a r r a s s i n g
 
bank of america is doing a mass hire
they keep blowing up my linkedin
 
tell them you are a bernie supporter. they'll leave you alone
 
lol
 

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