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Fragmented - Android Developer Podcast: 121: Functional Programming with Kotlin Arrow team - 2
posted on April 16, 2018 by shows

In this episode of Fragmented, we wrap up another 2 part series. We dive into the details of the Arrow library with this one. Arrow is a library in Kotlin that helps bring many of the functional paradigms of programming to your daily development. We talk to the team about how it all started, the history of the library, why we even need arrow, how Arrow is structured, some of the pitfalls, and i

05:18
Morning
 
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06:28
\o morning
Zoe
Zoe
o/
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!! :D
07:18
morning
user443346
07:39
Goodmorning o/
\o
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman died...
user443346
Yeah I read it :(
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"Only steers and queers are from Texas and you don't look much like a steer to me so that narrows it down"
user443346
I will never forget that line, it made me love the sergeant so much
user443346
07:50
RIP him.
> R. Lee Ermey went to director Stanley Kubrick and asked for the role of Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann. In his opinion, the actors on the set were not up to snuff. When Kubrick declined, Ermey barked an order for Kubrick to stand up when he was spoken to, and the director instinctively obeyed. Ermey got the role.
> To make Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann's performance and the recruits' reactions as convincing as possible, Matthew Modine, Vincent D'Onofrio, and the other actors playing recruits never met R. Lee Ermey prior to filming. Stanley Kubrick also saw to it that Ermey didn't fraternize with the actors between takes.
lol
that's being abadass
user443346
Wow that's cool
> R. Lee Ermey hardly blinks at all in any scene.
> Ronald Lee Ermey continues to be one of the best character actors in the business, and you can bet that when his name appears in a movie's credits, he is going to be top notch in his role.
07:56
meanwhile in today's spanish headlines: "mayor of 12,000 citiziens village spends 9800€ in 6x4 flag, breaks a week later,
pays 8000€ to fix it ASAP. the town has 22.8% unemployment."
user443346
This happens everywhere lol
also "scottish goth teenagers mistaken by suicidal teens rescued by special forces in scottish island"
slow news day in spain apparently.
just grandma gossips like those
oh the R.L. Ermey death is on page 2. he was quite young wasn't he?
74 yo isn't that much
more slow news "The secretary of state's curriculum shrinks after the "Mastergate". From Phd & graduated by UJCP in medicine, 2x MsC in medical treatment and hospital management, to "Single"."
08:17
@Jordy true
@Raghunandan have you used it? I was just starting to try coroutines this morning
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^ :D
canceric
should have thought of that id.
user443346
canceric x)
08:19
2 years and some months left to pay off my car.
user443346
cancer jokes on monday morning, that's a little harsh
you know what's harsh?
67 years in prison for a punch in the face
seeing it on the news RN.
user443346
must be one hell of a punch
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:D
user443346
if earth was really flat, cats wouldve pushed us all off the edge already
08:22
drunk 18yo hits drunk 28yo policeman in the face, the policeman falls and hurts it's knee, now the police accuses the teen of terrorism.
i don't know where you got that from but it's the best thing ever.
user443346
this cat just wants to see the world burn
@WarrenFaith have you seen kubricks boxes documentary?
08:25
the lawyer of the richest man of spain, Miguel blesa, that killed himself with a deer hunting rifle on the driver seat of his car, reveals that his inheritance is unclear and could go to either his ex-bank, Bankia, or the government ( FROB ).
warren, it is really interesting, check it out, there is maybe a version even on youtube
kubrick's films are very weird
but they're cool
i mean, you gotta be high AF to write "A clockwork orange".
Barry Lyndon is a 1975 British-American period drama film by Stanley Kubrick, based on the 1844 novel The Luck of Barry Lyndon by William Makepeace Thackeray. It stars Ryan O'Neal, Marisa Berenson, Patrick Magee, Leonard Rossiter and Hardy Krüger. The film recounts the early exploits and later unraveling of a fictional 18th-century Irish rogue and opportunist who marries a rich widow to climb the social ladder and assume her late husband's aristocratic position. The wry and doleful unreliable narrator Michael Hordern occasionally voice-overs the story. The film's cinematography has been described...
eric, check this one out
got really nice cinematography
yeah, seen it
he used F/0.7 LENSES provided by NASA :)
08:32
yeah, i knew that
conspiracy theorists say he directed the moon landing and that's how he got the lenses
he was planning a napoleon movie before dying
would have been his masterpiece
yeah, too bad
he had 45.000 photos of filming locations, actors, and extras
planned to use up to 10.000 live extras on some scenes
> The director was also going to film the battle scenes in Romania and had enlisted the support of the Romanian army; senior army officers had committed 40,000 soldiers and 10,000 cavalrymen to Kubrick's film for the paper costume battle scenes.
welp that's 5x more than i knew before.
> The beatles tried to convince Kubrick to direct a Lord of the Rings film produced by them.
08:39
\o
adam up at 4?
@AdamMc331 you ok?
eric, 2001 is made 1968 and holds up like gangbusters
@TimCastelijns no i haven't used it. i came across the coroutine call adapter for retrofit2 today. However i am been reading a lot about coroutines
looks like it's going to be the next cool thing
08:49
@netpork true. only needs a small 1080p/4k "remaster"
09:03
> mastergate update: 3800 "government-friendly" police officers were given university degrees (BsC + Msc) in criminology so they could rise from the ranks and start directing the police corps between 2011 and 2015. [body]: the UJCP convalidated 180 credits to each of the 3500 police officers that applied to the government funded "criminology degree for veteran officers", automatically granting them the title upon payment of the fees.
ADvise me please == > Room or SQLite ?
Realm will take time for me to learn
Realm
Realm
09:06
Realm
So many Realm fans out here
Only one
If you have time to learn Room, you have time to learn Realm
the other ones are forced
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user443346
09:06
Realm
if you have already learnt Room, you made the wrong choice
realm is not a choice, realm is a must
Ok done will go with Realm...Can we create relationships between tables ? That one disadvantage of room
there's no tables, there's objects.
Realm isn't a prettyfied SQL orm, it's a self-existing Object oriented persitant database .
realm has tables
09:08
auto incrementing id’s ???
Wait you just got convinced so easily?
@TimCastelijns not that kind of tables
in name, at least
Realm at the moment is missing the following features:
> null support
> auto incrementing id’s
> Map support
> easy migrations
> notifications on specific data changed
> compound primary keys
but like "where" and "and", it's just a friendly wording
you could call them Flubberflops for as long as realm cares
09:10
@MuratK. Please tell me something you know that makes you choose some other ORM over Realm ?
val autoIncrementedId = realm.where(users.class).max(usersFields.ID) + 1
realm is pretty easy to query tbh
There are plenty different ones, you might want to check them with your requirements - don't just take a random advice from someone
user443346
@CptEric Flubberflops xd
In that case to avoid confusion I would go over SQLite itself.
@BatCat lol are you kidding
09:12
haha
unless the advice is going raw SQLite, never do it raw, use protection.
2 years old
If I am not convinced
well, tell us, how do you decide what are you going to use? shouldn't you at least read a little bit about it and at the end, try it?
09:14
I decided to use Room since it is easy and reduces most of the boilerplate code but many suggested Realm so I just googled "Realm Tutorial" and hence from there is where my confusion started.
So many Realm negatives blah blah blah
you can say the same for every system out there
everything has it's ups and downs
ups for room = it's sql, so even the least androideable dev that has some background will get it. good if your company hires interns, it's easy to teach it to them.
downs for room = it's so late to the ORM party everyone left, turned down the lights, and sold the party room to a funeral orchestra.
@BatCat You could have asked the ones suggesting Realm for their reasons and why not for something else.
Oh..My requirement is download data from the web service and display it
@BatCat Room
with that escription your app could range between candy crush and Nasa's supercomputer assistant app
every app that uses network has that behaviour :D
09:18
Hi guys
@ColdFire Your experience with room..PLease share
havent started using it yet possibly in new project
Hmm ok so just curious what made you to go for it ?
he just wants to piss Tim
:D
09:20
Lol..
Really Cold ??
perhaps you should try both, room and realm, then decide
Correct
Let me go ahead first with Realm
well realm wasn't a exception
you can use whatever you want but making decisions based on 2 year old blog posts is stupid
@BatCat room does a lot of things over SQLite
09:22
I did not have those problems since I knew from the start that I do not want to write sql
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i use only SQLite currently
Thank you everyone
i use both and i hate myself when i go back to our SQLite implementation
i feel so powerless.
"i have to do all this stuff manually when in realm it's just a where away"
@BatCat yet everyone in here is recommending it lol
09:24
my advice is to do you own research and decide what is best for you
Ok thank you so much..
Cold
coroutines + sealed classes are awesome.
my app is up to 977 users
i am not fan of SQLite, Room or Realm for that matter
09:24
i need to speed up my beta 0.9.3 release
Yeah that's true. I know a couple people in here have used Room so you could ask them for their opinion. Think @ColdFire and @AdamMc331 are two
such bunch of poor choices we have :(
...
what would you prefer?
butterflies.
Firebase?
09:25
I would prefer realm to not be tied to lifecycles
@TimCastelijns what would you suggest as an alternative?
@MarkO'Sullivan i dont know but the current options are not those i want
a Globally usable realm instance with it's async management
there is no alternative, it just works that way
09:29
My app is already 3.4 Mb
you cannot use 1 realm globally because threads
@TimCastelijns no no I mean, how would you suggest for it not to be tied to lifecycle?
it's not possible bru
so it's perfect the way it is :)
no bru
Apr 13 at 8:14, by Tim Castelijns
@CloudyGoat you need 80+ rep to chat here
@CloudyGoat ^
09:36
@AdamMc331 glad the conference went well!
@Raghunandan going okay, I've got a basic app done so far, showcasing my gfs art. Loads up a splash screen -> gallery, got a basic menu added and working on the cart section atm
@AdamMc331 videos are not available for the meetup?
ooh you gotta show me that mark :D
Got the states working so whenever you click on an icon like the heart one for each artwork, it changes the icon from an outline to a full one and if you click add to cart, it changes to remove from cart
you're making an app for your gf's art? :D
that's cute and fun.
Yeah man, aiming to have like an app based shop for her artwork and other stuff like cards and bags which she makes
09:39
nice mark. i have to alot more time for flutter
if you need help or design decisions thoughts, i'm here :D
It's been a fun way to learn Flutter because I'm actually building an app with it
and on mssgr
I'll invite you to be an alpha tester before I release it
09:41
i'll break the app so much it'll beg for mercy so you have a clean release.
No where near ready, hopefully will have it in a state to be released within a couple of months
how you'll manage payments? flutter comes with any handy SDK?
It's like RN in the sense you can create wrappers to call native android / ios code to handle payments
oh nice.
The community is really great, a lot of people have contributed added packages which do all of this already
09:43
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@TimCastelijns Just realized we're the only two here who're special enough to know Bassie & Adriaan.
CF knows adriaan I think
Adriaan, Delft, Netherlands
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> [ts] Type 'T' is not assignable to type 'T'. Two different types with this name exist, but they are unrelated.
-.-'
Great morning so far
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done
Hey! How y'all doin?
github.com/nisrulz/flutter-examples . a whole lot of flutter samples.
@RaviPrakash you need a Q:A ratio of 4:3+ to chat here
@RaviPrakash you don't meet the requirements. Stop requesting
10:13
hands over the ban hammer
prepares polaroid
lol
@TimCastelijns yup
for validating fields on MVP, I see some advocating for doing it in the view and some in the presenter
so decide for yourself
I do it in the presenter because some validation might need some network stuff etc
10:19
I do it not in the view because the view is too dumb to know what is valid and what isn't
I can't speak for everyone but my views are smart. Real smart. Tremendous smart!
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makes sense
XD
@Leace you need 80+ rep to chat here
@TimCastelijns hi as her stack overflow
user can chat 20+
he need help
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Q: Single Spinner multiple activities

LeaceI am trying to acheieve multiple requirements using single spinner.I able to do both requirements by disabling each adapter. I have been trying many days and googled but failed. Requirements 1. Spinner1 change as per edittext change 2. I should be able to click the Spinner1 and see the items. ...

on this question
and i suppost you guys can help him
so i request you guys can allow him to join here thanks
10:31
sorry, don't care
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savage
great keep it up (y)
user443346
and everybody loses their minds when I'm rude
user443346
10:33
guess it's a Dutch thing
Pretty pathetic to flag that tbh
they did? :O
user443346
did they flag Tim?
user443346
hahahah for saying don't care
I even said sorry :(
it's becoming a tradition to have flags on mondays
Umm... what's going on?
6 mins ago, by Tim Castelijns
@Leace you need 80+ rep to chat here
user443346
Hey, we summoned the great Jon
10:36
user asks to allow the rejected user to come in, Tim declined
not much going on really
user443346
Jon is like SO's genie, when you rub the flag button hard enough, he'll spawn
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Monday drama, nice
damn jordy if only you put that in 1 message, I could have starred it
Well, the room's in gallery mode for a reason - it's up to the ROs to decide who they grant write access to. In popular rooms, there's generally a cut off amount of rep to show someone's experienced with the site and isn't going to be a complete help vampire and drain of people's time @NitinGohel
user443346
10:38
@TimCastelijns give me a sec
user443346
fixed it
now fix the typo -> genie
Having said that... there's nothing stopping the RO's giving someone a chance and revoking write access if it turns out to be a horrible experience but that's the RO's prerogative...
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@TimCastelijns ok dad :(
@TimCastelijns maybe a "geenie" is a special type of "genie"? :p
10:39
lmao
a dutch genie
dutches love double letters.
user443346
we love chocoladeletters
user443346
no clue what you're talking about
"Nationaal park", "Veenendaal", "Apeldoorn", "Geenie".
maybe he means beer weed kebab frikandellenbroodjes
user443346
10:41
noice, my engine fuel
how not to ask help on a repo
> "Below is my entire build.gradle. Also has a useful bit at the end for changing the compile sdk, please look at it"
why isn't there a community edition for webstorm :(
@Jon they requested again. What do you think we should do?
user443346
10:45
@MehdiB. Why need it? Can just copy paste activation server
hahaha
he seems to be in other chat room as well. chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/136545/ios-android-and-php-dev. and they had a discussion to join this room to get help from android devs
don't take too long to decide jon, last time I didn't handle a request fast enough I got scorned for it
I support Tim's decision. Tim, Lord of the Realm, Defender of Room 15, Better Mod than Jon, Champion of Champions.
@Jordy lol
10:48
@TIm I tend to give the benefit of the doubt - not my call though
tim is just following room rules lol nothing wrong in that
user443346
Tim, just give the guy perma
user443346
easy fix
@Leace by the grace of mod Jon you have access. Start by reading the rules and confirm you have read them before saying anything else
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user443346
Discrimination to others who got denied tho (for not having enough rep)
10:50
^ true
@Raghunandan I love how everyone is calling everyone bro :D
yeah. also the room seems full today and being monday more request to handle Tim
I have read and understood the rules
@Jordy don't blame me, I am under pressure here by a puppy
under pressure? :)
user443346
10:52
If you call this 'under pressure' I'm curious about your daily programming goals and the stress it gives you
user443346
in iOS, Android and PHP Dev, 20 mins ago, by Nitin Gohel
they just use stackoverflow for fun
user443346
Seems like we only use SO for fun
user443346
Are we having fun?
lol. i can't stop laughing at that comment.
10:54
lol
The comment? I'm laughing at the room name
@Leace welcome then. What's up
user443346
Yeah I wanted to place a rude comment about the group name but I passed. It's too easy.
would get you muted jordy lol
user443346
10:56
A better question would be what wouldn't get me muted nowadays

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