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4:00 PM
Are you suggesting that I could have learned PHP in 30 mins also?
 
@ballBreaker with that additude my body count would be - 1
 
Tim
asking someone else to tell you how to do it is not learning so I don't know what you mean
 
Mum would have shoved me back in if I wouldnt have dm'ed her
@Stuart I would
 
^_-
 
You would learn how shitty it is at least
 
4:01 PM
Huh? What are yall talking about?
How shitty what is?
 
Tim
php
"php is not shitty" yes it is
 
Ive learned a LOT by being shown things
and am not the type to copy / paste code w/o knowing what's inside
Just ask PHP and JS rooms
 
Tim
nice try
 
Anyways... Im outta here
 
Tim
rather kill myself than enter those rooms
 
4:03 PM
This is not constructive
 
Bye Red Power Ranger
 
Toodly do
 
Tim
yes thanks for wasting our time, don't come back
 
Have fun saving the world
 
ciao dude
 
4:04 PM
@Tim YOU wasted MY time
9
 
Watch out Tim, he found the Caps Lock on his keyboard
 
target eliminated
4
 
Seems like an abuse of power
I vote we bury Tim alive
 
Tim
it does
worth it, I will face the consequencess
 
but, with Stuart
 
Tim
4:05 PM
no wait, I didn't do anything
 
you guys could die kissing each other
imagine?
 
Tim
not sure if worse or better than ass cheeks touching
 
@ballBreaker OMG... TOO Funny ROFL
@Tim dont forget to take your meds
 
@Tim lmao this reminds me of fight club
 
@RaghavSood tHANKS FOR BACKING mE UP
 
4:07 PM
I feel like you missed the point
 
Ohh
lol
See yall
 
@Stuart psst something wrong with your Caps Lock
 
No I just found it
ttyl
 
Not all heroes wear capes (like me)
 
+1
 
4:10 PM
@RaghavSood 🙈🙈🙈🙈 the good news is that I'm full time infrastructure now, so I should get some bandwidth for it now
 
Tim
says bye twice, still here
 
@Mehdi I believe you
 
tim is always mean to people he finds sexy, that's why he didn't let me in the room at first
 
only 2 projects to close with the old team in my "free time" and i'm good to go
 
That's what I told myself 6 months ago :(
 
Tim
4:13 PM
that was fun, reminds me of the good old RO days
 
We could bring them back
I hear there's an unfilled opening since the last resignation
 
Tim
I thought the plan was to make mehdi work twice as hard
what happened
 
I self nominated myself and then the issue of needing an RO was swiftly swept under the rug
 
@Tim work learned from this and had me work twice as hard for the bills :/
 
Mehdi is a big man now, he doesn't have time to bully people here
He can bully them at work instead
 
4:14 PM
hahahaha
 
Tim
I wouldn't make a good RO now, my attitude is quite different than say a year ago lol
somewhere in between bb and cf now I'd say
 
Which is the better end of that scale?
2
 
hahaha
 
one end is a lobster and the other is an indian prince, you tell me
 
Tim
they both don't care about anything but bb also has that thing, well you know, he is bb
 
4:17 PM
I'm a retard savant
 
i vote we coerce Tim to accept reinstate Tim
 
Mehdi coming in strong with the managerial bullying of others into doing what he wants
 
no no no, this is just having them do what they don't know they want to do
 
Tim
do as you please I don't care, it wouldn't change anything
I would prefer to see bb as RO to be honest
 
Anarchy is not the answer
 
Tim
4:20 PM
oh
 
i'm afraid what you prefer or not is irrelevant without the RO badge, Tim :/
jk XD
 
In other news, I'm getting my own office soon-ish
Then, I have have 12 monitors
Or maybe 6 monitors and 4 TVs
Haven't decided yet
 
to police the offices and apartments of your 6 employees?
 
We crossed 100 recently actually
 
also congrats, I take it you moved to SG now?
 
4:22 PM
I've been here since Feb 2020 :D
 
i meant "indefinitely"
 
Tim
@Mehdi a real RO wouldn't say it was a joke or not, instead let the common people sweat while they try to figure out the meaning of the message
 
hahaha
 
Dunno about that yet, but yeah, here for the foreseeable future I guess
 
nice, good luck!
for real though, Tim, I'm one click away from reinstating you, do I have your permission? (we have Raghav's)
 
4:24 PM
do you miss NZ ?
 
I do, NZ was nice
Quiet
I'm not a fan of people
 
yeah it seems like it would be great for that, and nature
 
but I guess you just decided money was better than quiet
 
although they usually coincide
 
I mean... I was working remotely from there too
 
Tim
4:25 PM
@Mehdi I'm not against it, as long as there are no expectations
 
Money isn't really a concern
@Tim Have you seen the number of RO things I've done in the last year?
It's approximately 0
 
Tim
everything serious that needs to be dealt with I will avoid and delegate to someone else
 
hahaha
 
Tim
I can promise however to be as valuable an asset as adam has been for the past 5 years
5
 
so you're just a pretty face
 
4:27 PM
That would be a significant step up above Adam
7
 
Tim
XD
 
Tim
we can joke about it, he won't see these messages anyway
image feels like something I also posted the first time
would be a real me thing to do
 
XD
@RaghavSood savage XD
 
4:29 PM
Completely forgot that movie existed
 
Tim
actually last time these were my first words
Jan 26 '18 at 15:04, by Tim Castelijns
why is this in the crash course, and where is this person? I must ban him
 
quick tim
give me RO while you still can
 
Tim
I'm waiting for the wire transfer lol I'm not about to get scammed
 
@RaghavSood you should hang out here more often, every time you show up I remember I'm wasting my time
 
wasting your time dealing with the non-RO plebs?
 
4:32 PM
I do waste a lot of time, it is true
 
@ballBreaker no, at being an employee :D
 
@Tim Did you tell everyone about your art smuggling career
 
Tim
can't help but feel this is your way of punishing me for power abusing zucc account
 
If we didn't trust you I'd have changed the password :D
This is my way of letting @MwBakker and @jordy know that whether they accept it or not, there is a preferred ranking of Dutchmen I'd approach for tasks involving the Netherlands
 
Tim
mwb void flashbacks in 3, 2, 1
ay I see what you're doing now
24 hours ago, by Mehdi
sorry I brought those memories back... :/
 
4:36 PM
hahahaha
@raghav also glad to know I had your full backing during the executive decision WE made
 
Of course, a dictatorship is only as strong as the unity among its leaders
 
some would call it dictatorship others would call it efficiency and pragmatism, just words
 
Any advice on actually hiring or forming a data infra team?
It's one of my more immediate todo items
Right after the item regarding setting up a todo list
 
yes!
I think: 1) you want people who worked with data as end users, people who did ETL basically (just a bit large scale) to understand the potential use cases and how data is accessed (from data-analysts/scientists/engineers, bi-tools etc..)
2) you need people with a software engineering background, not ETL engineering, as the latter's main skill sets is around wrangling data and not building tools, which they'll have to build for the entire company
3) people with devops knowledge, aws or GCP or whatever, as they'll be building a platform, lots of rules, roles to manage, interactions between accounts, gdpr management, infrastructure as code etc...
 
Yeah, that's the general aim - we're looking at getting 2-3 people - one who has experience with large scale ETL system set up and management, one who is slightly more junior but can aid with setting up and maintaining the various feeds into the data system, and potentially one guy purely for BI analysis and reporting if we make it that far
 
Tim
4:44 PM
new rule, only memes here, no nerdy tech talk
 
What about nerd talk about deploying memes at scale?
 
@Tim phew luckily there was some room on my previous message
@RaghavSood nice, it also depends what's your vision? enabling data / business analysts to work with data or these guys would do the actual reporting?
 
In the near term, the team would handle reporting as well - in the long term, we would likely have a BI/analyst attached to every product team
 
(I added a 3rd point on my previous message)
 
4:47 PM
Devops side is sorted, we have a rapidly growing infra team who isn't allowed to touch my stuff stuff, but handles everything else
 
so you'd like to have a more business oriented data team
 
We need the team to create a data environment from scratch, and pipe in data from everywhere, and then do data things with it
Our current data set up isn't very good, basically just grafana + influx + random scripts
So we're aiming to replace it completely
 
then I'd imagine your first project would be to build a data lake, or better given the size of the team a "data mesh" martinfowler.com/articles/data-monolith-to-mesh.html
 
sounds like you need a data guy
 
Sidenote: I'm getting a new watch soon :D
@Mehdi Yes, that's ground zero - pick out the right platforms/services to build a proper warehouse and lake
 
4:52 PM
lol I opened that and thought you were buying a $228,408 watch
 
same
 
@ballBreaker I can't afford that at the moment, I'm saving for 4 TVs
 
wow you remembered my birthday is coming up?
and that I wanted 4 TVs ?
 
@RaghavSood nice, then I'd suggest you from now on to enforce a vision: your central team will build the tooling to build pipelines, and maybe the "very important / core" pipelines that report critical data. The rest should be done by the analyst/engineers attached to stakeholders
 
Seems reasonable
On a completely unrelated note, you want to move to Singapore :D
I know exactly one data person
 
4:54 PM
hahaha
 
My android device (Version 10) does not have screen record in the menu accessible by swiping down from top twice
 
if it was slightly closer than that I'd have jumped on it, building a platform from scratch is a very rare project...
 
and I just learned about "Developer Options" and was wondering is there a setting in here that would enable this if it's not available by default?
 
@Tim :(
 
Oh No dont wake him
6
 
4:57 PM
Tim got promoted while were away, your future's not looking great here
6
 
@Tim we could use discord for that but... You know
 
Im just asking as there's a lot of options and this may be hidden
 
R15 discord is like dating, people dont show up
@RaghavSood i want that and im on a list as you mentioned
Not the good list, but I am on your list
 
Yeah, but the lists you're on making employing you legally a lot harder
Mehdi doesn't have those restrictions
 
@RaghavSood I didnt perform any illegal activities for the last 21 houres
 
4:59 PM
Oh, that changes everything
 
@RaghavSood xD
 
We don't hire slackers, you're off our list forever
 
Btw, Raghav, here is something I came across a couple of Weeks ago just to get an idea mesh-for-data.github.io/mesh-for-data/v0.1
 
It hurts
 
@Mehdi I'm a simple bot, I see IBM, I walk away
 
5:00 PM
hahahaha
 
@Stuart audible laugh here, thanks
I too share that same fear
@Stuart developper options is hidden, the screen record thing is not
 
Tim
thread carefully
 
@Mehdi On a more serious note, my current plans revolve more around clickhouse and some charting/reporting tool over it
 
Tim
I don't know how to use RO powers, one wrong click and you're banned for life
 
@Stuart You can flash custom roms to get this going or mods from xda
 
5:02 PM
thread carefully or you might hit a race condition
 
But if we get a data guy in we'll likely just roll with whatever tools' they're experienced with
@ballBreaker BEAM and OTP are actually great for this, strongly recommend dedicating a year or two to exploring those
 
@RaghavSood im pretty good with Excel
 
Been using them for an accounting/reporting tool
 
And im dutch
 
Tim
thanks bb at least you listen to my general programming advice that is totally unrelated to the conversation here
 
5:03 PM
@RaghavSood why not bigquery since you're on GCP?
 
@Mehdi We're leaving GCP shortly
 
Tim
@MwBakker would you say you.. excel at it?
 
to where?
 
@MwBakker That's actually kind of a deal breaker
@Mehdi AWS
 
my man
then everything Deltalake on S3
 
5:04 PM
@Tim anytime <3
 
@MwBakker I dont have a fear, I was hoping there was an option whereas I could access a screen record feature that may be "Disabled" by the service providers sw
but I dont see anything
 
Hmmm, Deltalake looks interesting
Migrating to AWS wasn't my choice actually, I just okayed it when it was brought up to me
 
I guess Im gonna need to learn Android studio so I can setup github.com/bmcreations/scrcast on my device
 
I don't really have a very strong opinion on which cloud we use, our tech stack is really slim
 
my understanding is that as you grow aws gets extremely expensive, however, there are many company agreements that give you reductions based on your consumption etc...
 
Tim
5:06 PM
sorry for the spoiler but android studio also has a 'record phone screen' button
 
@Mehdi Yes, we're going for one of the partner deals, we're already past the point where it makes sense
 
nice, I think you'll have 1) more luck in hiring + 2) more managed services to use, saves a lot of time and effort
 
Yeah, hiring isn't fun
Never thought we'd be here so soon, I only joined 4-5 years ago, we were like 4 people then
Last few months probably shaved a decade or two off my projected uptime
 
how many of you are there?
 
elon musk personally molested you with a tweet
 
5:09 PM
@Mehdi 100+ employees now, should have another 50 in the next few weeks
 
wow :D and how many in engineering?
 
about 40ish I think
Maybe 60ish if you add in QC, devops, everything
 
Tim
60 project managers
 
No, just 4 PMs
 
employees get paid in NFTs raghav made in MS paint
 
5:11 PM
@Tim XD
 
@ballBreaker We tried that but the tax guys said no
 
@RaghavSood and you are? the CTO?
 
No, one of the cofounders is CTO
I'm just... around
 
Mostly filling in for the CFO these days, hence the elixir and accounting projects
 
5:12 PM
you're not worried about going to jail? XD
 
@Stuart never fear my dear
 
@Mehdi As long as the accounting system shows me green numbers, no :D
 
this is what raghav gets paid in
 
@ballBreaker extremely good timing
 
5:13 PM
haha
 
@MwBakker Wondering if you could help me get started with this: github.com/bmcreations/scrcast
 
excuse me strangers, how do I make this MS paint picture into real money?
 
Basically, I dont even know where to begin
 
@RaghavSood I think, literally 1 thing I wouldn't mess with, accounting stuff
 
Well, the bright side is my accounting systems aren't for any of our reporting obligations etc
This is all internal
We do have an actual accounting department for that stuff
 
5:14 PM
Im fairly knowledgable in JS, PHP etc but this has me stumped on where to even begin
 
ah ok XD
 
This is mostly for me to keep track of where everything is
And reconcile things in realtime
(elixir, BEAM, OTP are really nice tho, you guys should try them)
 
After watching a few app development tutorials Ive so far DL'd and installed Eclipse (Mistakingly) and Android Studio (Preferred) but still dont know where to begin with previously linked code
 
you should make the accounting department "data driven" and offload this work to them
 
Here is a very compelling demo
@Mehdi The idea is to have two completely separate accounting systems to act as each other's checkers
So we have one team of accountants doing their stuff
And me doing my stuff
 
5:17 PM
@Stuart here, developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/creating-project, what you're asking for is not easy to explain without prior knowledge
 
@Stuart This is going to be my last message to you - use scrcpy, you'll be done in 30 minutes without ever having to touch Android Studio
 
@RaghavSood this elixir? elixir-lang.org
 
@Mehdi Gold
 
@Mehdi That elixir
 
@RaghavSood No need for harsh words
Im watching a different video than previously posted
 
5:19 PM
@RaghavSood ah nice!
 
@RaghavSood Last question: (To You) Will this enable me to record the screen activity (of my android device) while using my Android device?
 
@RaghavSood I was told by a friend CFO that in big corporates they usually do: "offshore team: producing the work, then a local team double checking, then an external controlling firm"
only then it's considered "ok" to submit to the tax office
 
Tax isn't a big issue for us right now, SG is super straightforward
 
@Mehdi Absolute Gold. I wish @Tim would have provided such golden help. This Helps
 
It is more of an issue of keeping track of all the transactions, balances etc across millions of transactions
 
5:21 PM
and is digestable
Unlike github.com/bmcreations/scrcast Thanks again
 
We do have our current platform which acts as implementation 0, the accounting team independently checks to see if it the platform transactions and balances add up
And then I come in to make sure they did it right
 
and is the "0" happening in real time?
 
Yes, of course
 
@ballBreaker put a bitcoin in the tag
 
this a proprietary tool or implemented in-house?
 
5:24 PM
All three flows are in house, but completely different systems
There isn't really any off the shelf stuff for crypto yet
We do use external accounting software and all for the bank side of things
But crypto has to be done in house at every stage, no other options
 
didn't know that while I was hunting for a job :D
i think this is already a good hiring argument, "we build everything we need"
 
Yeah, anything important, we usually do in house
We do use external services for a few random things, but never for any money flows or PII or crypto handling
And where we do use other stuff, there'll always be a minimal inhouse implementation to cross check against
 
sounds fun, anymore of this and I'll quit my job on monday
 
It's not as fun as it sounds :D
 
this is my fun XD
 
5:28 PM
Having a lot of troubling scaling up the team, you can't really hire 100 engineers at the drop of a hat
It is one of the main reasons I went to look at elixir/clojure
 
@RaghavSood craigslist
 
should hire people decentrally, in the 4 places of the globe
 
They're both designed to let you build a lot more system per unit time than languages like golang or rust
@Mehdi It is an option we are exploring, but only for really good people - we don't have a huge remote infra set up (since everyone is in 2 countries right now), but we are open to it for the right candidates
@ballBreaker We actually did try the SG versions of it, nada
 
haha damn
 
@RaghavSood should have the COO title
 
5:37 PM
I'm not really a fan of titles, plus it is a lot more fun to introduce myself as an intern to all the new hires
Especially in COVID times, since they don't actually meet me
I'm sure a number of them still think I'm an intern even after weeks
 
"raghav has revoked your probation period"
 
I'm pretty easy going as long as compensation is fair, titles are overhead :D
Don't even have business cards
Well, I do - the ones I got 4 years ago, as an intern
Maybe I should get new ones made saying Senior Intern
 
oi
@Feeds what
I always miss the fun stuff
except the times when I'm the fun stuff
 
@RaghavSood same, give me money and call me what you want :D
 
I'm more in it for being able to do fun stuff, although the money is certainly helpful
But I don't really have any expenses beyond survival, so it mostly just piles up
Might make a bonfire at some stage
 
5:48 PM
I'll help you get rid of that pile
 
Nah, I'd rather spend it on something that annoys people
I've wanted to start a company that can join government tender processes for traffic lights and put them all slightly out of sync for a while now
Not enough to cause major jams
But just enough to make you slow down every time you approach, only for the light to turn green just after you stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
should maybe invest in global warming, would annoy more people
 
I live on an island for the moment, so those plans have been indefinitely delayed
But is part of why I'm not buying a house here
 
6:03 PM
well, the fun I had here for the past few hours unfortunately delayed my work which I must attend to now
if I wanna be fully dedicated to the new team :D
Cya guys! was fun as usual
 
You'd have more free time if you used NixOS
 
hahaha
 
Note how we had to hire an entire devops/infra team for the stuff I don't manage
And yet, I am doing fine with just NixOS
 
engineering is fine, what's annoying and what i'm doing now is: these records were somehow lost in the processing, find the cause
is the pre-processing? is it blocking? is it the ML model? and there goes 1 or 2 days of my life
 
Sounds familiar
Have you considered writing an accounting system in elixir?
 
6:08 PM
hahaha might as well resign from the infra team and go back to my previous job at that point XD
 
Accounting isn't all that bad :D
I kind of like it
At least all the data is there already
I have to talk to very few people
 
I have to talk to no people on this system, but everyone talks to me XD
 
6:35 PM
o/
 
is this bad
seems bad but I also dont really care
actually nvm ill do something else
 
7:08 PM
turns out I cared
 
who wants to see the album of my latest abandoned villa?
 
@ballBreaker Yes, it is bad that you deleted your message. I am very offended.
@MwBakker also yes.
 
What's with the lack of windows?
looks like a morgue. haha
or maybe its just because it's dark
 
It's an abandoned villa
 
Tim
7:42 PM
@Stuart I wish I wasn't on mobile so I could ban your ass. One of the first things I told you was to check the getting started documentation
 
@Stuart xD
 
@twiz good I'm glad
 
Damnit im still sad
@twiz it's german
they build weird houses, it's in their genes
 
they even built houses that were just like camps for a while
 
yeah like summercamp, except the visitors lasted less than one summer
 
7:57 PM
lol
 
8:17 PM
mates
 
bruv
OI
 
sup man
I'll have a look at your photos but not tonight
I wanna sleep like a baby
how s the app going?
 
mate I put that app on hold cause im sad
and a weak f-ck
 
:(
no problem you got time
take care of yo self
 

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