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10:00 PM
@MehdiB. I agree but the issue is that employers are seeming to move in the direction of requring higher and higher education (maybe tech is an exception). A HS diploma could have gotten you a decent job a couple gens ago now even a college degree might not get you a decent job.
@DaveS fuck that, I'm leaving ny asap
 
it's cheaper
you want to consider your student debt load
 
come up to canada, we have cheap education and free healthcare
and cookies
 
Tim
"maybe tech is an exception" this is true and more or less invalidates the other stuff you mention
 
^
 
plus, tbh, a plumbery or carpentry training could get you a life time of employment given the high stress on pursuing while collar jobs
 
10:03 PM
Yeah I can't think of many other industries that are considered in the professional realm (and outside of trades) that will hire a HS diploma other than tech
 
"wow, you create apps? that's amazing! you must be super educated! ok, so that will be 1 month of your salary for fixing your broken sink in 1h"
 
Ok, but I also don't want to be making 80k (No offense)
 
at what point in your life?
 
that's very specific Jbis XD
 
@ballBreaker 3 quartile of career I would like to be making 125k+
 
10:08 PM
a "good" degree won't make that happen
 
@JBis then go into trades
 
being good at your job will
 
ofc
I am not saying going to a good school matters so much
most of what I learn will prob be on the job
 
yep
What you need to do is come up and get an engineering degree in Canada, then live in Windsor Ontario and commute to Detroit
You make the USA wages in USA dollars, with the cost of living of a smaller Ontario city and with USA income taxes
it's basically cheating
 
but tbh that also says that you don't have yet a good estimation of the value of money though
 
10:12 PM
me?
 
no Jbis
 
ahh sorry
 
to be fair we're also not sure if you have a good estimation of the value of a lot of things
 
i think it also has to do with all the crazy amounts we hear of from unicorns, 250M acquisition, 20B another acquisition etc...
 
@MehdiB. fair
however I can very easily compare jobs and their average salary
 
10:14 PM
it banalises the perception of what's good money and what's not
 
I can also very easily (and have) look at statistics regarding income in the us
 
basically like a bank cashier who makes 36K but gets to touch and count everyday 10 times their annual salary
 
or a teacher making minimum wage to shape the future of a country
 
^ that actually makes me feel like shit when meeting my old high school teachers :)
 
@ballBreaker bullshit, but thats a discussion for another day. But you even agree with in the fact that school doesn't mean jack
 
10:17 PM
@MehdiB. At least here they get the whole summer off
 
@ballBreaker citizenship checks out :D
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T_T lol
@JBis I think school as it exists today has it's purpose but it's not the be-all-end-all that 'people' want you to believe
That being said, if it disappeared overnight we'd be fucked
 
regardless of how you feel about public education teachers have an enormous impact on how students develop, simply due to the sheer amount of time they are responsible for them
 
^ yeah exactly
 
I think most of the education beyond like 8th grade is mostly useless, and what isn't could be compressed into like 2 years
 
10:19 PM
and some teachers are way better than others and some actually gave me motivation to learn, and some made me want to die
 
I would disagree with that
the Math, History, Tax / Financial / Science / English are all things I use
 
@ballBreaker I agree
whatever I don't want to get into a debate about my radical views on schooling and education
 
yeah I think it just needs to be restructured a little (or a lot, depending which area)
 
@DaveS even when forgetting most of the stuff, you get to develop ways of thinking applicable in all aspects of life
 
yeah definitely
that basically sums up education in a nutshell
 
10:21 PM
i think so as well
 
I think as a student I didn't see as much value in it, but as an adult I really appreciate having a clearer understand of history and science, algebra, geometry and knowing how to communicate effectively
 
ok fine, you asked for it
 
"You'll forget almost all of it, but you'll develop the skills necessary to succeed later"
 
School grades shouldn't be based on age.
 
It's hard to be an informed voter if you don't understand political history or the scientific method
 
10:22 PM
what do you mean based on age?
they're based on age?
 
@ballBreaker "and to be able to (re)learn many things as needed quickly"
 
Teachers should stop telling kids they can do anything they put their mind to.
 
@MehdiB. yeah! good point
 
Tim
@JBis don't forget that average salary means absolutely nothing
 
10:22 PM
@ballBreaker Ofc.
 
he means what you are taught shouldn't be based on age (I agree)
 
@Tim How does the thing that drives the society we live mean nothing?
 
@Tim yes! we should use the median :D
 
if that's what he means then I agree as well
 
instruction should be based on ability with accelerated paths easily accessible for gifted students
 
10:23 PM
@DaveS yes
 
I wish I had more customization in school
 
and get memorization out of education for the most part
 
that doesn't mean what you're being taught is useless though, just that it's being taught inefficiently
 
^
 
yeah memorization isn't useful
 
10:23 PM
thats the bigger issue tbh
 
for me, I think gamification of education should be adopted everywhere
@grrigore go to sleep!!!!!!
 
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yeah that'd be cool
 
Tim
actually, I don't know how average salary drives society
 
dude
 
10:24 PM
@Tim money does
 
I just wanted to check my stars
star apparently
 
@Tim well it impacts things like rent costs, costs of food, inflation, etc
 
bleah school
 
Tim
what utopia do you live in
 
average salary means nothing if 95% of the population makes minimum wage and 5% make 10M$ a year
 
Tim
10:25 PM
does your food get cheaper when you earn less?
 
when I do? no. When everybody does? yes
 
Tim
but nobody does because there is an average
 
But college/uni isn't just about education
its bigger value at least for me is social stuff and independence
 
it's also about learning how to function in society
it's a bundle
 
it's also about poor decisions and excessive and destruction behaviors
 
10:26 PM
ya and girls
 
Healthcare
 
Tim
and meeting your HS sweetheart
 
@MehdiB. mom??
 
@ballBreaker that falls under poor decisions
@codeMagic it's a right not a product /thread
 
hs?
 
Tim
10:27 PM
Heroesofthe Storm
 
Also, today I learned the gender pay gap is fake
 
Tim
you're my HS sweetheart grrig
3
 
just trying to stir the ol' pot
 
@grrigore ??? that's not my preferred pronoun
 
awww
 
10:28 PM
@JBis it's not fake but it's misunderstood
 
you too, Tim
 
yeah it's a real thing just not always interpreted correctly.
 
@ballBreaker Fake in the sense that bad statistics are used to perpetuate the idea that there is a huge problem.
 
in what sense?
 
@MehdiB. sure, whatever, mom
GET OUT OF MY ROOM
 
10:29 PM
??????
 
Tim
that is actually what drives society
 
Measuring median salary for all men and women is such a ignorant way of measuring it
 
Yes
 
Anyone else watching impeachment shit on tv?
this website explains well
 
It's too complicated of an issue to boil down to a single statistic
 
10:30 PM
> In 2019, women earn 79 cents for every dollar earned by men.

This figure is representative of the uncontrolled — or “raw” gender pay gap, which looks at the median salary for all men and women regardless of job type or worker seniority.
 
@MehdiB. that's what she said
 
Ok, but the fact that when you take into account qualificaitons and same jobs you get like $.98 to the dollar
which is nothing
 
My favourite counter-argument point to bring up during IRL debates about wage gap (which don't happen anymore) was the death rate of men in the work place
 
> Why is the uncontrolled wage gap so large? It’s because women are less likely to hold higher-level, high-paying jobs compared to men. Women also tend to move up the career ladder at a slower pace than men. We call this phenomenon the opportunity gap.
 
It's the best explanation for it
 
10:31 PM
@ballBreaker go on
 
@JBis I don't know where you take your stats from, but this is still an unfair gap, even it's 0.1$ :)
 
Men take choose high-risk, high-reward jobs which typically result in a high probability of death, and as such get paid more
That fact alone discredits the entire statistic IMO
 
@MehdiB. meh, theres always gonna be some group more or less
 
Tim
"take" is a convenient word here
 
bb, I love that. Thanks!
 
10:32 PM
alright, choose then
 
most large companies use standard job roles to define pay, when talking about the gender pay gap people are really talking about how women are often passed up for promotions more than men
 
@ballBreaker I disagree, pay gap is calculated on a comparable population, it makes no sense to compare an accountant to a miner
 
There was some site I found once that shows how you can manipulate statistics to prove any argument. Really cool
 
@MehdiB. well that's how it's calculated
lol
At least the 70 cents to a dollar statistic or whatever it is
 
Tim
the definition alone should render the usage of the stat in an argument invalid
 
10:33 PM
So it really makes more sense to narrow the initial argument before even having the debate
 
I believe in promoting equal opportunities, not necessarily equal results
 
and the problem with that "70 cents on the dollar" is that it's waaaaay too general and covers too much breadth
 
Thats why I hate things like affirmative action
 
@Tim the definition of what?
 
@ballBreaker but it gets more clicks
 
10:35 PM
yeah exactly Jbis
@MehdiB. There are statistics that have actually done this and the pay gap narrows down to about 90 cents to the dollar
 
we all realise that we're just talking without any data or official stats backing up any claim whatsoever, right?
 
Just believe me plz I don't want to get sources
 
that's how rumors and misinformation work :D
 
god damn it
 
guyzzz
new shameless US intro
 
10:37 PM
@ballBreaker url scheme missing http / https
 
I have no idea how to markdown hyperlink apparently
GAH
 
According to my statistics without a source, every $1 you send me will result in $1.10 gifted to you by someone else
it only works if you send it to ME
 
|| learn confirm I can confirm that {1} are accurate.
 
confirm has been added
 
@JBis array indices start at 0..
 
10:39 PM
confirm has been added
 
|| confirm "jbis stats"
 
I can confirm that jbis stats are accurate.
 
@DaveS do you accept CAD
 
@MehdiB. its not an array
 
I expect $1.10 USD back though
 
10:39 PM
you'll have to sort out repayment with the person who pays you back
I am not responsible for that part
but yes I'll accept CAD
 
okay that works out to 75 cents
and my service fee is unfortunately $1 so you owe me 25 cents USD
 
I only accept donations
 
@Tim HS is also the abbreviation for "out of order" in french :D
 
and I don't pay fees
and the donation must be at least $1 USD
 
@DaveS damn dude blockbuster must have HATED you
 
10:41 PM
lol
 
If you have a lottery card that has a 50% chance of winning you $200, is it worth $100?
 
they tried to charge me full price for a game when I lived on the other side of town
 
I bet you were ecstatic when they went bankrupt
 
turns out someone checked a game out from my account
 
oof haha
 
10:42 PM
if I didn't see the CC charge I never would have noticed
they reversed it but not even an email or anything
those sly bastards
 
@JBis if you had a 50% chance of breaking your neck by jumping out of a window, would you do it? :D
 
breaking a neck is not comparable to $200 or $0
 
not 0, rather -100
 
Okay what if by not jumping you 100% break your neck <-- wait that's dumb ignore me
 
ok so $100 or -$100
@ballBreaker not in a horror movie plot it isn't
 
10:44 PM
I was goign to say and if you jump it's 50%
obviously you would jump lmao
Okay how about this
 
100% if you stay you get shot in the head, 50% if you jump you will drown
 
@ballBreaker said no owl ever :D
user image
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which do you take?
 
If you had a lottery card that turned you into a woman making 70 cents on the dollar, would you pay $100 for it?
wait no..
wait yes
 
lol
 
10:45 PM
I'm going with that
@MehdiB. that's awesome
I'm saving this one
 
i'm actually interested brb, going to math se
 
gtg guys, cya tomorrow 😀 enjoy your evenings
 
cya
 
cya bb :)
 
Tim
10:58 PM
@ballBreaker could I get a transformation preview?
 
these math people are interesting
 
11:27 PM
nerds
 
Impeachment
 
JBi, hopefully you've grown out of that or you'll have to change sides to Dave and the dems ;)
@DaveS When are they actually going to decide? I haven't decided if I want to turn that on or not yet
 
There's talk about holding the vote but not referring the articles until they get the senate to agree to fairer terms
 
Lol. I have, I don't give a shit what people say anymore, unless its a jury and I am the defendant.
 
this whole thing with Mitch McConnell coordinating with Trumps legal team is ridiculous
 
11:34 PM
oh fuck
 
its so stupid at this point
 
Good to hear, JB
 
hold the damn vote. Dems impeach. And then hold the vote in the senate and they won't remove and be done with it.
 
problem is Senate is basically announcing it will be a dog and pony show run by the trump administration
no pretense of impartiality
the precedent it's setting is insane
 
@codeMagic Don't get too happy. I support impeachment.
 
11:37 PM
I just meant the snowflake thing
 
Oh lol, :)
@DaveS House is too.
 
I would have been fine with them impeaching him based on his tweets
 
Maybe I am naive and have too much faith in people, but I believe the only reason most republicans don't support impeachment is because if they did they wouldnt be relected but they truly do support it.
 
I'm glad he's not a politician but I still want a president to act like an adult, in public
 
I will give trump some credit. He is the first president to have such close and direct communication with people, good or bad.
I really am looking forward to seeing the history books on this entire thing
how will it be written
cM if you are public about it, who did you vote for in 2012 and 2016?
Alright I'm out for now o/
 
11:47 PM
cM is an Obama man
big Obama fan
 
@JBis Romney and Trump
Ya, and Obama
Doesn't matter to me, no one really likes me here anyway
 
we like you :D
 
They keep me around for comedic purposes
 
that incorrectly implies that you are funny
 
lmao, see
Not comedic like, "you're so funny, cM" but like "let's see how we can eff with cM today"
 
11:49 PM
ok fair
 
@JBis But its just the same political manipulation as always, so I'm not sure how much credit its giving to say he made that more efficient. lol
 

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