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9:00 AM
great. I voted for rob, nice to see he won
 
i voted for rob yvette and samuel
all 3 won lol
 
oh here maps looks nice
i'm gonna test it
here indoor maps*
 
I did not vote for yvette and I don't know samuel
 
it's 11,000.00$ cheaper than our current provider.
 
it was so close between yvette and brett
 
9:04 AM
That ArtOfCode guy is so delusional he is trying it in every election
 
that guy is already a mod in other sites if i remember correctly
he also contributes a lot to cleaning SO
but yeah unless you have the rep his chances looks bleak
 
he has more helpful flags than the rest of the world combined
 
???
You are thinking of Andy, hes the guy with the most flags
but because he also has a bot for it
 
or is it andy? Or someone else
ok my bad
 
it is andy i guess
 
9:08 AM
I like how you guys just assumed it is that guy
I can see how he gets votes
 
i didnt assume that it was tim
what i said is true
 
I always confuse these guys for some reason
 
hehe happens
 
still he's less delusional than raghav
 
lmao
meh raghav has a good chance of making it , he will have the indians to support him
 
9:13 AM
he doesn't. They eat him alive during the QA phase
 
well yeah he has to survive the QA phase
last time he got roasted quite well lol
 
@CptEric try this
 
Question: If we have enabled *Never show notification from this app * for the Particular app then GcmListenerService will not get called, Is it true?
I am under the impression that Never show notification from this app skip (bypass) Notification class.
 
that should not be true
listeren can be triggered without the need for a notification
with FCM at least
 
9:28 AM
yay found the issue awesome :)
 
@TimCastelijns So you mean BLOCK all notification still calls Service (FCM/ GCM) even though they blocked.
 
pushing data to device is not the same as showing a notification so yes it should be processed. But you should confirm yourself
 
@netpork looks nice
 
Thanks Tim, We are still using GCM, deprecated one.
 
@CptEric here indoor radio mapper requires android 5.0 and up
 
9:39 AM
like that was a problem
:D
 
o/
 
GCM has been deprecated for as long as I can remember, why don't you upgrade
\o
 
Yes its been so long but we are gonna continue with GCM until it last.
 
porting to firebase is super fast
 
9:49 AM
@RonakMehta what happens when GCM is removed? You going to have to scramble to get firebase in?
 
better do it now that you have time
and no rush to fix
 
Exactly my point
 
Mark yes that can be so RUDE to our clients.
 
why?
 
should be safe. I don't think google has ever actually removed deprecated classes
 
9:51 AM
They removed the deprecated fragment class in the new Android SDK I think?
 
unless your clients are the ones writing their GCM php curl calls
they do change deprecated classes to protected sometimes
oh that's easy.
 
"we inform you that google is not supporting X service nymore, we calculate we'll need 4h to provide maintenance and migrate it to their newer service".
they pay = you fix. they don't pay= one day there won't be more notis.
just like it would happen anyway the day gcm servers are shut down
but with precaution
 
Good idea
 
my GF got a job!
in her field! with a good salary!
 
9:53 AM
This is so nice!!!
Congrats Eric.
 
that's like finding a 2kg golden nugget in spain
 
lol
 
Fantastic Eric :) Super happy for you!
 
awesome eric
 
she's gonna be leading a team of archaeologists and historians digging spanish civil war trenches and bunkers and fixing them
 
9:54 AM
@MarkO'Sullivan like anyone uses those native fragments anyway
good riddance i would say
 
like this:
so people never forget® ^^
 
Good to hear, congrats. I hope my girlfriend will follow soon
 
what's her field?
 
makeTimRichAgain
 
lol i've been to that trench
the name of that trench is "the peach".
 
9:57 AM
Marketing, communication
 
that's not as hard to find a job as archaeologist. hope she does :D
 
she will get a job fast
yeah plenty of marketing jobs
 
She's sent out 70 applications since September
It's hard when even junior positions require 3 years experience
 
the name comes from the republican officer that lead the battle against it, "come on guys, we'll eat it like a peach". the battle ended 7 days later with hundreds of losses on both sides and a stalemate.
damn
we're looking for a social media manager but she'd have to move here :D
 
wait what junior pos requires 3 year exp
that is insane
 
9:58 AM
when market is overfilled with applicants
exp kicks in
or when companies know nothing about what they're asking
 
true, I have a friend who graduated in Marketing and had to work on sales for a year because marketing jobs require experience
 
oh
 
"kotlin senior dev, 44k/year, minimum 8 years of experience".
welp okay
 
mehdi sneaks in quietly
just 44k for a 8 year experience wtf man :/
 
lol
 
10:00 AM
the react native team lead dev did apply to a react native position that asked for 12 years experience in react native and got rejected by HR for unexperienced
when RN had only 3 years of existence
:D
 
lmao
 
"junior designer, developer and social media marketeer, minimum 3 years experience, will pay peanuts and leftover justEat boxes" < average position opening on big corps where HR does the offer postings.
 
what is the salary for a 7yr exp android dev there?
 
So "GcmListenerService" will get called even though we have "Blocked" all notifications.
 
@TimCastelijns we're actually recruiting a marketing executive
 
10:04 AM
@ColdFire depends.
 
years of experience don't mean much I think. It's more important that you can impress them with your actual knowledge and skills
 
on what?
 
i've yet to meet someone that started doing android in 2011.
 
I'm sure in a years time there'll be jobs asking for 5 years exp of Flutter lmao
I started it in 2013 (as a hobby)
 
well you have already met one eric
 
10:05 AM
2011?
 
yes that is me
 
woah
 
me too, 2011
 
raghav was in before me if i remember correctly
 
you started working profesionally when froyo kicked in?
i was studying at that time.
 
10:06 AM
but just doing class assignments back then
 
yeah froyo those times lol
 
did android as studies but didn't work on android until 2013.
 
that's why years of experience isn't an accurate representation of skill
 
oh if study years count then i've been doing it since froyo too lol
 
lol
 
10:07 AM
i just counted "years i've been paid for googling gradle bugs".
 
well i used to earn too
so i think i can count them hehe :)
 
my nexus one still works
 
@TimCastelijns well it isnt but that is what company looks for
my lg p500 still works
 
question is: why did android kill honeycomb that fast?
 
@MarkO'Sullivan she's not at exec level lol
 
10:08 AM
i remember a lot of hype for honeycomb back then
 
@TimCastelijns the girl she'd replace was a grad like me
 
my first device had 512mb ram lol
honeycomb was shitty af
so it got dead fast
 
4.x wasn't specially good either
jelly bean was quite okay
 
well still better than 3.x
 
It's just the job title, think they'd hire a graduate again
 
10:09 AM
kitkat was the game changer imho
 
true
but kitkat had the annoying service kill bug i hated it :(
 
oreo was launched almost 10 months ago ladies and gentlemen
and has less usage than windows phone in europe
 
1% market share i guess?
oh wait 0.2%?
wow
 
0.12% in spain
0.8% globally
 
@CptEric blame the OEMs
 
10:11 AM
what a surprise gingerbread is still a thing lol
 
i blame google for allowing this year after year
 
A thing in the graveyard?
 
they need to flip the switch and brick all <4.4 devices remotely
 
@CptEric how can you blame Google when it's down to the OEMs to make sure it's in?
 
and apparently jellybean is still 5% share and ICS 0.4%
@MarkO'Sullivan 0.3% share still
 
10:13 AM
@MarkO'Sullivan google is the OS maker, google is responsible for it.
 
so support 19+ loses 5.7% devices not bad i guess
 
if google didn't allow OS personalization and manufacturer updates, this wouldn't happen
os personalization as "make your own distro"
 
@CptEric if Google didn't allow OS personalization then you'd probably have Samsung diverting to their own OS
 
dont forget when samsung fucked up the zygote process in 4.2.
 
Samsung is a large part of the Android market
 
10:14 AM
well, put fines on those not updating then
 
making support lib usage very difficult
 
"fine fuck you Google, we'll stop using Android and make our own"
 
should be interesting to see what will google do on Android after the lawsuit loss
 
vs oracle?
 
they have lost it already?
 
10:15 AM
That's sorted already @MehdiB.
 
yeah
 
i thought its still in process?
 
nope, they lost the last round
 
Fuschia is taking over from Android
 
oh fuck
 
10:16 AM
Fuschia gets them completely free from any Oracle bullshit
 
i dont care what OS takes over android i need to be able to code in kotlin in that
if not fuck you google
 
why? you don't do kotlin
 
i am migrating to kotlin in my new projects
dont want any new bullshit when i switch to kotlin
 
Biggest clue is the design Google has slowly been rolling out (google search new design) it looks really similar to the Fuschia preview
 
fuchsia looked shit when they showed it
 
10:17 AM
@MarkO'Sullivan they are already over it they are using openJDK
 
the name is also shit
 
Or maybe... they'll just replace all old Android legacy code with Kotlin
 
nah they didn't lost it yet
Oracle won appeal round 2
now google can appeal back
 
they lost this last round
 
They'll rebrand it, they have to because Fuschia is a terrible name, I agree @TimCastelijns
 
10:18 AM
now they'll go for a new round
 
this last round, not the process.
 
yeah Fuschia sucks
 
this can take as long as 8 years more
 
wow sounds like our judiciary
 
the more it takes, the more $$ Oracle will make if they end up winning
 
10:19 AM
most cases when verdict is announced the accused is already dead lol
mehdi true
 
google will push it up until they win or the appeal cost is over oracle's purchase cost.
and then will purchase oracle
and retreat from the lawsuit.
 
I'm not sure that's legally allowed
 
that's what apple's done the last 20 years
also oracle shares are on 2011 levels
and keep falling lower and lower as tech partners sell
because of this lawsuit
44USd per share
 
not sure a lawsuit is so uncommon for corporates
they're the biggest patents owners, a big part of their business is on copyrights things
 
10:23 AM
just like IBM
but most of the time they loose.
 
@CptEric enough to get Android to Android Z no? :D
 
like IBM and the "swipe to answer" thing
 
but they rent thousands of other patents
 
or IBM and the "pop up" name
or IBM and the reply button
america is so silly on patents
in europe you can't just patent a button.
 
yeah, they're called patents trolls
you patent a concept, not a tech
 
10:24 AM
here concepts are not patent-able as far as i know.
 
so if you have money, you could patent conceptually anything not already patented
 
just like you can't patent a song.
you can patent it's letter, and it's musical accords, but not the song as a whole
 
why cant you patent a song?
shouldn't it be reverse
 
no, it makes no sense to allow to patent a song, it's so vague. what's the patent? the lyrics? the armonycs? the letter?
you can't patent a sustained minor D
hence you can't patent a song.
you patent it's musical arrangement and it's lyrics
 
10:27 AM
i mean the lyrics letter music
 
afaik in usa it should be the same
else every cover on youtube would be sue-able
 
lol
 
but in tech usa enters in the concept field
 
so say that rich company A patented a concept X without actually implementing it, and one small startup implemented a similar concept because it just makes sense for them, the rich company A will sue them and still win, and the small startup will have to pay royalties for company A from now on
 
whereas here you must bring all the technical details, schematics, graphs, etc.
afaik in spain, unless corruption involved, company A can't patent a concept
they can patent the implemented product, and must prove it's been stolen
 
10:29 AM
not been stolen you mean?
 
not?
 
o/
 
o/
 
yup just checked
a patent requires a working product, schematics, diagrams, and a thorough description of the process of design and manufacture
 
go back to bed adam
 
10:32 AM
adam is early too
what is wrong today
 
a patent can refer to a new product, a improved product, or an updated product.
dunno man
go back to sleep okDam.
 
Go back to sleep edam
 
go back to sleep Kdam
 
Go back to sleep Kotlam
 
damlin!
 
10:33 AM
go back to sleep macKol
or maclin
 
macdam
 
@HarshitSeksaria you have access. Start by reading the rules and confirm you have read them before saying anything else
in styles.xml if you name a style "A.B" does it automatically inherit from A?
 
i think so
but i don't know for sure
wasn't there a parent attribute?
 
there is
 
no
why would it inherit from just name
there is a parent attribute for that
use that
 
10:44 AM
actually I just confirmed that it does
 
what is A.B tho?
 
an example name
 
i mean can you give a proper name where it works
 
imagine like ImageButton.Add and ImageButton.Close, both inherit from ImageButton
ImageButton has a drawable, I see it is applied to both of the others without specifying parent attribute
 
pretty sure A.B has a parent attribute with A as parent
 
10:48 AM
nein
> You can also inherit styles (except those from the platform) by extending a style's name with a dot notation, instead of using the parent attribute. That is, prefix the name of your style with the name of the style you want to inherit, separated by a period.
never knew about this magic
 
oh that is why
. is also inheriter
wait its useful
 
@TimCastelijns TIL. That's really nice. Thanks for sharing Timmy!
 
wait that dot makes perfect sense too
 
mark - it seems to be a bug in flutter. may users on ubuntu have reported the same
 
I'm using ubuntu based os
Elementary OS on my home PC, also got it successfully working on Mac OS too
 
10:53 AM
flutter doctor seems to recognise my device
 
Have you got the device running?
 
Yes.
 
this user is so screwed lol : stackoverflow.com/questions/49484606/…
 
How did you open the device (is it emulator?)
 
device
 
10:55 AM
What's the error when you click run?
 
Unable to locate a development device; please run 'flutter doctor' for information about installing additional components.
 
so facebook "enriches" bundles sent to an activity by adding own extras... so every "extra != null" check simply fails now...
ICH HASSE FACEBOOK
 
How are you running it? flutter run or run button on AS?
 
AS run button
 
Try using flutter run
I wanted to avoid using Flutter / Dart plugins in my AS setup so I installed IntelliJ just for Flutter / Dart
 

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