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12:00 PM
@JohnSnow Either fail at writing, or write code that's completely incorrect.
 
Well, I'm still of the opinion that the fizzbuzz does not show skill or potential. If a person with great potential never heard of modulus, it will probably make something I did; it works but it ain't pretty
Either it was the first thing you learned or you never heard of it.
Fizzbuzz is more common in JS than Java
 
facedesk
 
well, we're interviewing 2 more ppl today, i'll tell u how it goes...
 
@MadaraUchiha so ... but I think if you tell them they need to do a hard test no one thinks about if and modulo ...
 
Point is; a sucky programmer could have learned it from their teacher. Says nothing.
 
12:02 PM
@JohnSnow You're implying people can solve fizzbuzz. Which is not true.
 
uuuh workplace.stackexchange.com is spilling out
 
@alovaros I could solve fizzbuzz on my 3rd day of programming
 
@Unihedron Some can. They may not be the majority
 
I didn't know modulus either back then
I would probably make the division, cast to a string, and then look for the ".".
 
@MadaraUchiha Did you USE modulus?
 
12:02 PM
@JohnSnow They are one out of 200.
 
I solved it too
With and without modulus
First one was without
From my model: 1. make it work. 2. make it better.
 
@JohnSnow Come on, modulus isn't the only way to solve this
 
@MadaraUchiha I know
 
You're missing the point.
 
if (n/3 === Math.floor(n/3))
 
12:03 PM
@MadaraUchiha maybe 2-3 month after I started programing learned it at school and we learned slow at the begining
 
But it IS the simplest way
 
Modulus isn't the most difficult part in FizzBuzz. It's knowing to write functional code!
 
I did my own math.Floor equation though the first time I solved it
 
The point is, if you can't perform 3rd grade math, and first month (super exaggerating here) worth of programming, I don't want to spend time interviewing you.
 
@Unihedron Exactly my point. Modulus makes it easier.
 
12:04 PM
And fizzbuzz is an excellent measurement for that.
 
@JohnSnow You're missing the point.
 
@MadaraUchiha It still persist that the people who CAN solve it aren't necessarily good
 
@Unihedron I think you mean functioning :P
 
Everyone who can't suck, sure
 
FizzBuzz isn't set as the task to filter candidates solely based on knowledge of random features like modulus, it's knowing to work with a problem.
 
12:05 PM
@JohnSnow Yes, but that's not what I'm saying
 
@JohnSnow 99.5% of programmers suck.
 
I'm saying that the people who CAN'T solve it are necessarily bad.
Or rather, not ready for actual employment, anywhere.
 
@MadaraUchiha agreed
 
That's why fizzbuzz is effective, to seek the 0.5%.
 
i'm not agreeing
 
12:06 PM
I saw an implementation that used switch without breaks. I guess that only works in cases where you cna have any kind of expression as your case expression
 
@wonderb0lt That's simply broken code.
Disqualified.
 
@MadaraUchiha No, but what I'M saying is that just because someone can solve it, it doesn't mean they're good. It either means someone taught them, or, they actually are good/decent.
 
@JohnSnow No, just because someone can solve it, means it's worth my time interviewing them to find out if they're any good.
 
@wonderb0lt I'd like to see that because I have a hard time imagining how that would look and work XD
 
@JohnSnow or they already knew what it is ...
 
12:08 PM
@MadaraUchiha Oh well. I just stated my opinion
 
@Unihedron It's harder to understand, but I think it worked
 
@wonderb0lt Fall-through switch statements are bad.
 
@alovaros Eh?
 
@JohnSnow never mind
 
@Unihedron I don't disagreed but at least it was an interesting solution
 
12:09 PM
A switch without breaks will execute ALL cases. I really don't see any point in having it as a switch at all O.o
 
@wonderb0lt Yeah sure. I once saw a person calculating the exact codepoints on a sine wave and convert that into characters to get "Hello World".
Interesting but still bad.
 
I am more alarmed at the tests they did where people failed this question:
int x = 10;
int y = 5;
x = 15;

What is the value of x?
a) 10
b) 5
c) 15
 
42
 
Totally
It's either 42 or "god". :P
 
12:12 PM
maybe its d
 
haha :D
so you said someone is failing this so I'm scared to give a correct answere
 
It's a, right?
 
The question I just mentioned ^My better half knew the answer to that without even knowing programming :')
 
c
 
c overwrites a
 
12:14 PM
jup
 
He was petrified that so many people failed it ans WORKS as developers..
 
Oh!
 
(and yes, the answer is c in case someone wondered)
 
I read "x == 15;" for some stupid reason...
 
so I think I have good chances on the job marked xD
 
12:14 PM
<- extremely sleep deprived
 
fge
@JohnSnow wait, there are people who actually failed that one?
 
@fge 15 out of 18
 
@Unihedron then the answers would have been true, false, null ;P
 
fge
@Unihedron then go to sleep
 
@JohnSnow yeah >_<
 
12:15 PM
@fge 90% of the people taking that test
 
fge
Don't even argue
There's a bed, lie on it
Done
 
fge should be deemed "daddy of the chat"
 
@Unihedron may you just need more cofein
 
@alovaros ... what the hell is cofein
 
@alovaros He's in hong kong, it's bedtime there now.
For little school kids that keeps messing up their day-night rhythm ;P
 
12:17 PM
@Unihedron caffeine
 
fge
@JohnSnow were those people on drugs or something? Even if you don't know programming, sheer logic can answer that one :/
 
lol didn't know what it is in english xD
 
@JohnSnow Optional<IntegerResult>
 
@JohnSnow lol :D
 
@fge I know. Like I said, my better half knew it instantly by only knowing sheer logic and not one bit (hehe) of computer logic.
 
12:17 PM
@fge May those people are like Forest gump
 
Scarry!
 
fge
@JohnSnow "scary"; but if what you said is true, this is definitely a scar on humanity, if not a wart
 
humanity sucks
 
@Unihedron (y)
 
fge
@Unihedron go to sleep, I said
 
12:19 PM
@fge Indeed D;
 
fge
Rant only after you've had your content of sleep
 
sudo apt-get autoremove humanity
 
^ first world human problems
 
Ranting when you're tired is no different from when you're drunk (seriously, there's science on this)
 
oh you'd wish to see me rant when I'm drunk
 
12:21 PM
@deadlydragon00 s/autoremove/purge/
 
now I need to enter my root pass which is RAGNAROK
whats the diff of purge?
 
@deadlydragon00 diff = definition ?
 
difference of
 
ohh ._:
 
@alovaros Actually, you CAN puke from exhaustion due to sleep deprivation ;P
 
12:24 PM
for definition it should be 'def'
 
@JohnSnow but not that fast ... and I didn't knew what rant is but I googled so the puke thing don't fits :D
 
I find your misinterpretations equally hilarious as my own :')
 
fge
@deadlydragon00 s,autoremove,purge,
 
@deadlydragon00 makes sense ...
 
I will purge this world from evil!
brings out my shikigami
 
12:28 PM
@JohnSnow and what is your zanpakuto
 
#Windows10 GIF of the day http://t.co/O2zTJetp0R (via @MinistryofGIFs)
rofl
 
OMG
win 10 rolls out today ____
* _____ *
 
@deadlydragon00 I'm a priest not a warrior
 
fge
@Unihedron Go. To. Sleep. For. F***'s. Sake.
 
fine
 
@JohnSnow cool bed time story, how I wish they have PDF version
 
:P
 
fge
@JohnSnow excellent!
 
;D
 
i hope win10 isn't trash like win8
 
12:43 PM
where is win 9 btw
 
they skipped it
 
You don't know?
 
for what?
 
Legacy code
There's a lot of legacy code assuming 9 is 95 and 98
 
ah I see
 
12:45 PM
^
 
<
 
those arrows reminds me of streetfighter
 
super street fighter 2 turbo :>
on snes
 
12:49 PM
@Sweeper I forgot to bring my DIAMOND sword
 
Ha
 
@deadlydragon00 KITE!
!!urban kite
 
@JohnSnow kite Correspondence received while incarcerated.
 
O.o
Caprica does not play lol
 
I dont understand the def
 
12:51 PM
Kite = run away from the enemy so they don't kill you
 
AH ok
 
Kinda LoL speak for a strategical retreat
 
or a Honourable Escape, similar to Honourable Defeat...
 
Well, it's escape or get squished like a bug ;P
 
run and shoot
at least in sc2
;)
 
1:00 PM
I just realized that the energy drinks aren't as calorie rich as I though
 
and you should burn more calorie after you drank them
 
I counted it to be 300cal/300ml. It's 45/100ml >_>
 
wel calories are important
 
Which means I've under-eat considerably some days >_>
 
1:36 PM
I'm bacl
*back
Is Uniherdron in his bed now ?
 
I hope so
DON'T ping him
 
oke oke
I timed out lol
 
fge
Well, although it is unlikely that this room is his sole source of distraction away from real life, it's better if it isn't, so let us please restrain from unwarranted sollicitations which he will feel compelled to obey for reasons known only to him
(gee, I really_do_ sound like some sort of father figure, now, don't I)
 
Pleh.. I hate being this stupid >-<
 
still a father , no doubt
 
fge
1:48 PM
<-- 40 and not a father
 
congrats :D
 
this thing does not work for me export PATH=${PATH}:/first/path:/second/path:/third/path
 
@fge You sure act like one though ;P
 
looks like JS
 
@alovaros it's a unix command
 
1:50 PM
@deadlydragon00 what are you trying to do
 
fge
@deadlydragon00 define "does not work"
 
I am setting up all my IDE's in ubuntu , since I recently switch to ubuntu
 
@JohnSnow ohh
 
my gradle comand does not recognize
 
@deadlydragon00 Try without the bracers
 
fge
1:51 PM
The braces are not the problem here
 
my java is fine
gradle seems not working
 
fge
@deadlydragon00 where did you do that modification, and did you source the file afterwards?
 
bashrc
 
fge
OK, and did you source it after you modified it?
 
yes I tried it
 
fge
1:53 PM
Define "try"
 
I placed the path at ath gradle directory bin
 
fge
systems engineer hat ON
Yes, and after that?
 
GOD I'm stupid :')
 
fge
You modified your .bashrc
Then what did you do?
 
gedit .bashrc
 
1:54 PM
use vim
 
fge
That's not what I'm asking
 
also, I woke up
 
I've been wondering why there's 5 connections to my mongodb whenever I connected to it
It's threadpooling :')
 
fge
What did you do after having modified .bashrc?
 
save it
 
1:55 PM
@Unihedron I bet you heard us talk unix :P
 
close the the terminal
 
fge
@Unihedron that was not enough -- see you bed? Go lie on it
@deadlydragon00 and then?
 
then open terminal again ,I typed : gradle
 
I dunno about other unix things, but in mac you need to make a batch script to add the path every time you start the terminal for it to stic
 
fge
Did you do env? Did the modifications you did to your .bashrc appear?
 
1:56 PM
then it says access denied
 
Else you have to export it every time you open a terminal
 
oh wrong
 
fge
sudo?
Why?
 
I used chmod -x gradle
 
fge
Heh
And you wonder why you have an EACCES?
Why did you chmod -x?
 
1:57 PM
yeh Im confused why is it throwing access denied so i decided to use chmod
 
fge
Access denied on what?
Post the precise error
 
on the gradle
bash: /home/deadlydragon00/android-studio/gradle/gradle-2.2.1/bin/gradle: Permission denied
Its Permission Denied rather
 
Morning, Java!
 
fge
Then either you have no read access to it, or if you have, you don't have execute permissions on it
chmod +x it back
 
Do a chmod 744 on it.
 
1:58 PM
@Michael peace /o\
 
fge
And you don't need to be root to do it
 
@fge ^
@alovaros A handstand! Nice! xD
 
hii
 
fge
@Michael why the w? You won't want to modify it now, will you? :p
 
Hi @jackk!
@fge I guess not.
 
1:59 PM
scared of something falling on my head :s
and I don't like o/ ...
 
fge
Only give the necessary, sufficient privileges needed to complete the task at hand -- never more
 
Mmmm
 
fge
In fact, if it's not a script, even the execute bit itself is enough
You don't need read permissions on /bin/ls for it to work :p
 
Would it even need read permission?
Took the thought right out of my head. xD
 
!!urban head
 
2:02 PM
Dang it! OakBot has an urban command too!
 
ohhkay ...
I didn't meant that head
 
Errr
 
1 message moved to bin
 
thank you
 
@Unihedron thx
 
2:03 PM
@alovaros it happens again and I'll throw you out of the window
 
A dictionary definition is probably what you wanted, @alovaros
Urban dictionary gives you the "slang" definition.
 
@Unihedron oke
@Michael jeah I know it's mostly funny :D dind't thougth about "head" in that case lol
 
fge
@Michael note: if it's not a script; it won't work for bash/python/etc script files, since read access is necessary
 
@fge Noted.
 
I repeat myself... DON'T urban things. You never know what you're gonna get!
 
2:06 PM
^
 
fge
shoves @Unihedron to his bed _again_
 
Caprica is written for a channel that isn't PG13
 
@JohnSnow jeah I should just do this in sandbox .-.
 
@alovaros Yes, you should
 
!!urban generics
 
2:08 PM
@Unihedron [generic](http://generic.urbanup.com/687370) 1. adj. Merchandise marketed without a brand name.

2. adj. Not specific; nondescript.

3. adj. Very plain; undecorated.

4. adj. Mediocre or substandard.
 
that was disappointing
 
/urban computer
Hmm
 
1 message moved to bin
 
fge
/urban legend
 
@fge legend: totally worth of respect for any reason
 
2:09 PM
Like I said... You never know what you'll get
 
fge
heh
 
fge is a legend
 
haha xD computer is best
 
fge
No, I'm a random stream of electrons on some network called the Internet
 
that would had been an exceptional comeback except the internet doesn't populate electrons
 
2:11 PM
Hi internet /o\
you guys may know a good tutorial for java/js data stream ?
 
uhm, wut?
 
stream data like ... webapp sends me don't know every second the time :D
 
Like websockets
 
don't know what it is o:
 
hahaha
 
2:19 PM
@alovaros then you should really google that
 
oh jeah :D ty I'll watch this
@JohnSnow did it :P ty sounds like that what I want
 
It's a quite important thing to know
 
Web sockets are a relatively new web browser feature that allows your browser to maintain a persistent connection with the server.
 
Also; not all servers can handle websockets. Make sure you make sure your server of choice can.
 
It's more efficient than HTTP.
 
2:21 PM
Yup
 
hmm but I was told to use sessions o:
 
You still have sessions
 
Sessions are how the server knows that the person has already logged in.
 
sessions are serversided objects
 
ahhh oke
 
2:22 PM
Typically, the browser sends a "session cookie" with every request that it makes.
This cookie contains a long string of random letters of numbers, which the server uses to say "Yep, that guy is logged in".
This is necessary because HTTP is stateless--each request is independent of the others.
So, developers had to "hack" state into the protocol by adding cookies.
 
oke thanks guys :)
@Michael sounds a bit unsafe :D
 
Websockest are TCP protocol, right?
still learning myself
 
@alovaros Well, it kinda is, if the connection with the server is not encrypted over HTTPS.
If someone intercepts your HTTP request, and it's not encrypted, they can pull out the session cookie and use it themself.
 
^
 
For example, if you are using a public Wifi network.
 
2:28 PM
haha :D nice
oke it's not nice for me but for the hacker
 
That's why you should be careful when using public Wifi networks. Because everything flows through the air. Which means that anyone with a Wifi card can pick up all those messages.
However, if the site you are using is encrypted (if the URL starts with "https") then you're safe, even if using Wifi.
That is, until quantum computers come along...
Due to the nature of the HTTPS protocol, even if a hacker intercepts the initial connection messages, they still cannot decrypt your message.
 
uhh that's nice may I should learn a bit about HTTP I just can use javascript xD but I'm just writing applications for local networks
 
Even if an application is built to be used in a company's intranet, there's a good chance is still uses the HTTP protocol.
 
Intranets can still get hacked
 
The best hacking strategy is social engineering
 
2:40 PM
I wrote a website that shows timeseries in tables and in a Highchart :D so it's not that big thing if it get hacked
 
in a day I can get 10 credit card data
 
Like the networking you do to get jobs?
You can get mine. It's unusable if you only use the numbers on it :')
I love that feature from my bank btw
 
(y)
 
@JohnSnow Then how do you make online purchases?
 
@Michael I create a virtual card that expires after X time (chosen by me) and can only be used for Y sum (also chosen by me).
- Through the bank of course
 
fge
2:48 PM
sigh Software metrics are no simple matters
 
You tell me. I can't even understand mongodb's api
I fail so hard all I can do and facepalm at myself.
And hope I won't get fired
 
@JohnSnow lol hope so 2
 
fge
@JohnSnow this is a different level; no API can help here, just understanding the defintion -- and hoping your AST has all the necessary elements to compute the metric
Fortunately, my AST does
 
@JohnSnow Interesting.
Off to lunch. Bye Java!
 
fge
@Michael more than interesting; convenient
 
2:52 PM
Even if I dont work on any company , I am giving my self a deadline,
And hope I won't get fired
 
@fge Mmm
 
I'm leaving
bye
 
@fge I don't even know what it is you're doing
 
fge
@JohnSnow a SonarQube plugin for ObjectScript, which is a handful enough of a language as it stands; and the contract tells that I must compute a crapload of metrics
Including Halstead, complexity, fan-out (not fan-in, fortunately), DIT, WIT, RFC, CBO...
That plus checks --> the AST that I produce must have at least all the necessary tokens to compute all of those
 
@Hans1984 Bye hans
 
fge
2:55 PM
The worst of it: I actually did it :/
 
@Michael It's only downside is if you're gonna buy something where they require the same card for refunds or withdrawal. (like in sweden, if you book a cinema ticket online you need the same card to retrieve them from the machine at the location)
@fge Hmm interesting
@fge Wait... doing it is a bad thing? What is "it" here exactly?
 
fge
@JohnSnow the problem is that I did it without fully understanding the language yet; the bad thing is therefore that I know my AST is flakey; if I were to fix it I don't know how much work it would require to fix the metrics again
 
Ah...
 
fge
I have made the stuff as modular as I could possibly make it, but...
 
Broken code that acts like working code...
 
fge
2:59 PM
Yup... Broken as in "not fully understanding the problem space"
 
Yeah
I feel for you
 

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