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2:00 PM
@Jimbo Wow congrats dude. Were you not happy in Mallorca?
 
@Ekin oh, I have seen that many times. And when I asked them about it they say "its just warnings, you can just ignore them" etc. Absolute horror.
 
@mega6382 and yet the code works, and the developer moved on to other things... Horror, but effective
 
It's not that effective imo, I've fixed a good bunch of those in the past three months at the new gig, simply because it came back to bite in the arse
Business-wise, I get it. New stuff gives more value than all that stuff that one is allowed to ignore. But they can also become road blockers.
 
@ircmaxell Yes, but imagine having to upgrade the php version, or any third-party library being used etc and some of the warning were about deprecation in either php or that library and after the upgrade nothing works.
Now you will have to revert it all and take it slowly fixing one warning at a time etc costing more time and money.
 
2:05 PM
@mega6382 you have to do that in either case often.
@MarkR theory and practice are only the same in theory
 
Yes, but once you have received the deprecation warning you can start adopting the new method slowly until the point it is removed, rather than doing it all at once when it comes it "bite you in the arse", and this is just one aspect of it.
 
@mega6382 except that's not how most businesses operate. Most don't deal with a problem until there's a discrete monetary benefit
 
That's what you call a "false economy"
 
@ircmaxell indeed that's true. And thus sometimes they are stuck on PHP 5.4 even in 2019.
 
Because usually when those problems are forced to be solved, it's when you can least afford them, when you're under the greatest pressure.
 
2:10 PM
@mega6382 absolutely. Redhat makes a TON of money supporting decades old software for a reason
 
/me continues refactoring the software at work happily...
 
And eventually Red Hat / Remi won't bother supporting their version of PHP... and something major will drop, some deep dark buffer overflow that could melt their servers... and suddenly they'll either have to pay through the nose for a custom fix, or drop everything else they're doing and play catch-up to get to the next supported version
 
FYI, I have turned off sharing on that document. Someone started editing trolls. into it. If you want access, get me your google docs id (gmail/etc) and I will share directly with you.
 
@ircmaxell Have you made the policy document private?
 
I've just requested access through the UI @irc
 
2:14 PM
@MarkR done
 
thanks
 
@ircmaxell argh, used wrong account
 
@ircmaxell So have I, my name is Haseeb Basil, I believe you can guess my email by that.
 
@mega6382 request access, and I'll grant it
oh, you did
 
access requested now
 
2:15 PM
On the topic of documents, seeing as I think at this point we've all decided that live editing is better than ML - docs.google.com/document/d/…
 
done
 
This is a list of Q's i'm putting together with an aim of us being able to put out a survey to gain information to help inform our choices
 
@ircmaxell so easy to use the wrong account accidentally and now you know where I work :-P (not that I'd mind that you know...)
 
@MarkR except that often that's a winning tradeoff for organizations. The value of faster-to-market features often FAR outweighs spending non-trivial amount of time not delivering present value
@bwoebi I didn't look, I just ignored the first request
 
Please feel free to add your own suggested Q's in the comments.
 
2:29 PM
I honestly find writing less strict, more dynamic code takes longer than the alternatives irc. Be it throwing in a $var = null, using ?? etc. I save so much time from not having to parse all the "other" conditions in my head if it just does what I've explicitly told it to.
 
cmb
@Derick, mcrypt DLLs are available now. :|
Please address PR #4 and #5, so we don't have to patch this ourselves for the next release. :)
 
Ayyy @JayIsTooCommon
 
@cmb PRs?
I didn't get an email
 
cmb
https://github.com/php/pecl-encryption-mcrypt/pull/4 and
https://github.com/php/pecl-encryption-mcrypt/pull/5
 
@MarkR the point is that you do not check at all. You just do $count++; and $count will work without ever being initialized.
 
cmb
2:34 PM
You may have to watch the repo.
 
@Sean eyyyy he's back! I was complaining about regulars missing, hence the text. Where have you been??
 
Been blackholed into wow classic, it's a bugger.
 
I had a situation a couple of weeks back when I was using a library that only used docblock annotations for types. In my code I had used a , rather than a . and it was passing a string to a second argument rather than concatting the first argument... after passing this argument through about 3 or 4 functions I got a warning about non-numeric types deep inside this library.

If it had used type hints, that would have been 3 or 4 opportunities for for the engine to go "oi, moron, error!" but alas, it did not, and I lost about 20 minutes trying to track it down with a breakpoint on the error
I ended up using set_error_handler to detonate on warning and found it immediately.
 
@Sean hahha well as long as you're not dead, that's all that matters. A few of us are considering PHP Barcelona - You interested ?
 
Is there a way to do array destructuring in PHP? Basically I have an array and I want to get a string that is just the array values from a specific key, to then end, concatenated with a '/'. Or is a for loop the only way?
 
2:46 PM
splice then implode then append
 
@RandoHinn it sounds smelly.. Why do you want to do this?
 
> Is there a way to do array destructuring in PHP?
> values from a specific key, to then end, concatenated with a '/'
Aren't those two different things?
 
good morning to you too.
 
Hey sunshine
 
splice & implode does the trick it seems, tyu
 
2:51 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Oh damn! Steep on the cost like but yous have went before right? Must be good
 
@Sean I haven't no, but i'm reassured by the speaker list php.barcelona/talks
 
@PeeHaa Hey... (˵ ͡⚆ ͜ʖ ͡⚆˵)
 
:-)
o/
 
dayum that is a nice line up
 
@JayIsTooCommon lol- funny going down that list and then getting to @Ocramius photo
 
2:54 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Aye, that's a cool set of folks. Actually has me hyped
 
@StatikStasis They cut out the parrot :-(
 
Can just see the claw haha
 
lol
I can see part of it
 
I should show up in a clown costume
or maybe dragon/crocodile
 
Onesie?
 
2:56 PM
Hahah they did! They reuploaded it as "marco-pivetta2.jpg" marco-pivetta.jpg
 
Like someone said recently: dress one level above who you are presenting to!
easy with developers: you all live under a bridge.
 
@Sean betr!
 
@Sean @DaveRandom, @JoeWatkins, @Danack, @pmmaga are considering, plus a few more. Should be a good laugh if we can get the numbers :]
 
@NikiC I'm on the go and I cannot commit using an ED25519 key so I'm stuck or generating a new "less" secure SSH key or waiting until tomorrow when I get back home for a day where I can commit it
Sorry for the delay
Also about count() I don't feel that strongly about it but if @LeviMorrison doesn't raise the possibility of accepting null I could do it
@NikiC I will probably commit the changes to run-test seperatly from the (now closed) PR to get rid of the error reporting
@ircmaxell request access to the document
 
3:09 PM
Y'all got hotel plans sorted? Imagine the speakers of you are put up by the organisers
 
@MarkR just read your survey and the questions seem pretty good, don't have any ideas of additional questions as I mostly work by myself
 
Thanks for the check-over @Girgias
 
No problem :)
 
@Sean yeah speakers get hotels. I was thinking it'd be cheaper for us all to rent a villa rather than individual hotels. But need more people to confirm they're going before we think of that
 
3:12 PM
@PeeHaa well that's cheaper than my drunk cosplay buy
 
@Girgias Should I ask? Do I want to know? :P
 
Well, if I tell you that I imported a Japanese high school girl uniform does that provide you with the necessary info about wanting to ask/know? :D
 
hehehe
 
As long as you didn't import a japanese high school student along with it you're fine.
 
Going from the fact that majority in Japan is 20yo
Not even a Uni student is safe /s
 
3:16 PM
@PeeHaa zomg
 
opcache.so: undefined symbol: shm_unlink – #78553
 
@Ocramius For some reason there are no cape suits though :(
 
I would like to find a partner for pair coding
I see my role as just watching someone coding , and maybe helping him
Is there any service to find coders for pair coding?
 
@DmitryBorisov there's a lot of coding on twitch
 
tokenzier changed behavior – #78554
 
3:23 PM
@DmitryBorisov @JoeWatkins needs to be supervised at all times. He may be able to help you
@PeeHaa I found Leigh. He's using Go in his spare time now.. So he isn't dead.
 
oh good to know le chuck is still alive
 
3:38 PM
7 hours ago, by Danack
Could people do me a favour, and send me some info about stuff they think other people could be helping work on? E.g. bugs, moving more stuff to git/github, automating tests/builds etc.
Explanation of why I need some links. I'd like to make some example of stuff that people could be working on, that they might not be aware of do to internals being a shite method for communicating 'stuff that needs working' types of messages.
 
@Danack ressource to object conversion in extensions
I really need to finish that email that I showed you a while ago from Twitter @Danack >_>
 
3:56 PM
@Danack We need "probably easy" bugs
 
@Girgias thanks, perfect example.
 
:)
 
@NikiC yeah, I'm going to categorise them into easy and 'probably will keep people occupied for a while.
 
@Danack we still have some open arginfo conversions :)
 
@Girgias done
 
3:59 PM
Thanks :)
 
@NikiC Also good example. Is there a list anywhere convenient to grab?
 
He did send an email to internals about the remaining extensions
 
Anyone here use php-liquid?
 
The recently released self-loathing flavoured vape refill @RandoHinn?
 
lol
I can't seem to dig out the filesystem documentation for this thing anymore
I remember there was some
 
4:07 PM
@MarkR lol
 
nevermind, got it working
 
hmm, wondering if PHP should fail compilation if a block with a return type declaration has no throw or return at the end
hmmmmmmmmmm
 
No surprise for guessing my thoughts (sounds like a good idea to me).
Although couldn't a method called inside it guarantee a throw?
 
Anyone else having trouble with the ondrej PPA?
 
@MarkR yeah, good point. Would need to know callees
 
4:18 PM
What is better "amount of files" or "number of files" ?
 
Still, a function with a return type that has no possibility of returning that type is definitely point-out-able territory.
 
@Allenph what error, and are you using it from inside docker?
 
Oh. Never mind. He knows why it's not working and has a work around.
@Danack Ubuntu has some encoding bug is all. He talks about it on his page.
 
@MarkR as long as the point-out isn't blocking, sure
 
Well if compilation failed, it'd definitely get pointed out
Failing if return is not the type certainly seems like it would fall into compilation error territory if you were adding a bit of clever analysis to it. After all, it's guaranteed to fail.
 
4:22 PM
WTF is PHP7.2u?
 
@Ocramius gist.github.com/marandall/016aa6a37496eaac3d0295e7beeb9d0f would be my issue. But it's either a) unreachable code or b) a type error.
 
@MarkR yeah, I'd say that the return should be written anyway, but probably too late to sneak it into the language now
 
Return what though? If there's ever a desire to add an E_DEEP_ANALYSIS or something like that, which is aimed squarely at development.ini, sounds like it'd be an ideal candidate for that.
 
Richard Stallman resigned from MIT over Epstein comments.
 
4:40 PM
Did he actually say anything reprehensible, or did he question the legal definitions?
 
@Ocramius how do you want to ensure that a last function call won't just always throw? - ah Mark already said that, nvm
 
5:00 PM
!!uptime
 
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║ [19 hours, 17 minutes and 59 seconds] without an accident ║
║                since [2019-09-16 21:42:43]                ║
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!!putin_pen
 
Putin Pen sounds like a a way of executing a Russian opposition politician after someone watched too much John Wick.
 
3 messages moved to Trash
 
@MarkR wtf??
oh, sorry i though you were @Jeeves
 
5:10 PM
@Ekin Semi-happy, a lot of bureaucracy and resistance to change which I'm not a fan of
 
Beep Negative.
 
@JayIsTooCommon I thought I was! But when I moved here... what a difference. No boiling hot sun all the time, amazing mountains and lakes.. I thought I'd miss the sea, but after this summer, not that much :)
 
@Ocramius can you prove the end is reachable?
 
@Jimbo I see, fingers crossed that it improves. Nice that you're liking the new location though :) I don't think I can live without the sea nearby :-P
 
5:22 PM
Disable dblink cleanup – #78555
 
6:09 PM
Is there any way to turn sdtClass into a json string automatically?
use case: I want to output a json string with php-liquid
 
json_encode(yourStdClass)
 
oh well, I could just make a custom filter, duh :D
 
6:24 PM
@NikiC Sorry, I meant having count(null) be accepted without warning.
/cc @Girgias
 
still haven't send anything @LeviMorrison
 
Would the addition of the special-case null also include the type-error or is that now considered dead and burried?
 
I would suppose if we add null as a valid case the TypeError is to be implemented
 
@MarkR Sorry, didn't follow?
 
We were having a debate earlier on about if Count should throw a TypeError if it didn't match either array or \Countable. I was arguing for, most others against. Nikic pointed out that the main case for errors was that it was being used for checking null, which then brought up the point for making it explicitly allowed. So the question is back to "should everything else that isn't array, countable or null throw a typeerror"
After reading the test runner script, I get the impression @count() has been used as a substitute for isset at some point @Girgias ?
 
6:32 PM
I don't care. Allowing null makes sense to me now, though I don't remember what I thought about that case when the behavior was introduced.
 
@MarkR maybe? I'm not sure of the behaviour with regards to the arrays keys
As I don't know how the code works in detail
 
Looking at usages, they are mostly to account for loop bounds, and a function returning ?array can make sense, I think. This prevents unnecessary checking when the code path would naturally handle the case otherwise.
 
Because for a large part the runner is checking that there is only one from a given set of sections
Like only one section out of {EXPECT; EXPECTF; EXPECTREGEX}
And I don't know if those can just be replaced by isset()
Moreover, it feels like the "intent" gets lost in that case
 
I still wish we had an object hook for empty. In object world, I rarely care to know how many things there are; I just want to know if there is at least one.
 
Weird question, anyway to test the constructor of an abstract class in PHPUnit?
 
6:36 PM
Constraining that to rely on count prevents valid cases where you don't know the count, but you can know if there is at least one (think lazy paginations, or iterators).
 
Ah I see what you mean, how it's counting and expecting one and only one
 
@MarkR yeah, in all fairness the runner maybe need a good refactoring
Not even sure if EXPECTREGEX (or whatever it is) is actually used still
 
So the equivilent would be something like:

(isset($section_text['FILE']) ? 1 : 0) + (isset($section_text['FILEEOF']) ? 1 : 0) + (isset($section_text['FILE_EXTERNAL'] ? 1 : 0)
 
Yeah
Probably better than my weird workaround lol
 
Probably the cleaner way of doing it, if you had a hugeee list of them, i'd probably suggest just defining everything where there could only be one, then using count(array_key_intersect($similar_sections, $section_text)) != 1
 
6:45 PM
/dat hyphenation, tho.
I'm currently writing words to say that we should have less discussion on internals for stuff that doesn't need to be discussed on internals. I would appreciate having more examples of stuff that people could be working on.
 
@Danack Point of order Mr. Chairman
Stick it in Google Docs or Google Sheets if you can. Easier to annotate that things have been claimed / are underway.
 
I don't think so. It needs more management than that would provide.
 
Ah thought it was just a plain text list, planning on making a full interface for it?
 
Yes. But currently getting anything to work on PHP internals infrastructure is too much trouble, so will probably keep it separate for a while. tbh, there's really not that many new stuff to work on per week. Modifying that PHP file with entries like:
$rfcsToWorkOn[] = new WorkItem(
    'Resource to object conversion in extensions',
    'The \'resource\' type was needed before PHP had classes to represent non-trivial types. However since PHP now has classes, it would be good to replace the resource types used internally.',
    'https://github.com/php-pecl/ProjectCoordination/blob/master/change_resource_to_specific_type.md'
);
is a trivial PR to check and accept..
 
I did not thoroughly read all of Z's last post, but all of the happenings in the past couple of weeks and Rasmus post "seems" to have tamed him a little versus the dictator-tone he had previously.
Seems like a glimmer of progress.
 
6:54 PM
@MarkR seems reasonable? I don't remember the runner that well because I only tried to understand it a bit when I was doing the count PR
@Danack yeah infra is a pain in the a**e
I'm trying to modernize one website and I'm already feeling scope creep
 
Don't envy you on that one... the whole website seems to be in desperate need of a little "nuke it from orbit" love
 
Well I'm probably making it harder on myself by trying to make it statically generated
I can give you access to the private GitLab repo if you want lol
There is a lot of fixing CI
 
Can take a look if you wish. Are you still working on the docs translation b it?
 
@Danack You've just reminded me that I got almost ready to merge PR for shm* converted resources to objects
need a todo list
 
Well I'm working on the revcheck bit of doc.php.net/revcheck.php
I'm just writing tests for one area and I'll give you access to it
 
7:02 PM
Will I need to register on github.com?
 
I also need to squash and force push on master
GitLab.com you mean ?
Probably but you can use Twitter, GitHub or whatever for an account
 
err yeah that thing
 
I use my GitHub account for oauth lol
 
Okay, will need to make sure to use my personal one. My markrandall github account is tied to my work email
 
Okay :) just let me know what username I'll need to search for
 
7:05 PM
marandall
That's trippy. I'm so used to being in my own gitlab server it feels weird without all the projects and admin buttons
 
@Danack Personally I would use for something like that Hugo with GH Flavoured Markdown in GH repo connected to free Netlify 1 page account and all what it needs is a CNAME - no need for deploys, no need to keep infra, no need to run on a docker, Netlify runs Hugo which builds html files and then serve them
And it is nice bootstrap without even touching any html or css or js
All what it requires is write MD even through GH online editor and push Commit :D
or merge
 
7:21 PM
@MarkR just gave you access
You can admire my mess
 
Okay, where should I be looking to get to it? im looking at your gitlab-ci now
 
I think I talk too much :/
 
Well the thing is I haven't done much
Because for the revcheck I need to rebuild the DataBase
 
Oi, @brzuchal, that's my job, get your own fatal flaw :P
 
And I haven't really done much about it
The current revcheck cript is located here: github.com/php/web-doc/blob/master/scripts/rev.php
Gosh, why did the CI cache stop working
Like I managed to have the SVN docs cached and the vendor dir
But that seems to have gone out the window now
So you can maybe look into that @MarkR lol
 
7:31 PM
So I see you killed off the last pipeline. Wasn't working how you expected?
 
No :(
It shouldn't fetch the repo again
 
@brzuchal giving me more things people could work on so I cam add them to the list would be more useful to me than anything else.
 
As it should be cached
Which worked before I introduced the test stage
Caching with GitLab CI always confuses me, maybe if I move the cache to the default bit it'll work
 
Well in the tests stage you're only caching vendor/ and from the looks of it, the cache is project specific, so you might be wiping out your phpdoc-all stage
So in your test stage, change your:

cache:
paths:
- vendor/


to

cache:
paths:
- vendor/
- phpdoc-all/
 
Well then the GitLab doc is confusing because from what I understand it says you can define caches on a job level
But oh well
 
7:36 PM
Is there an easier way to converse with you so we're not spamming up here?
 
Discord?
 
That works, will send you my id via email
 
:D
 
I've sent that over
 
Sent a friend request
 
7:41 PM
Okay, BRB going to go do something comparatively short, like solve world hunger, while this pipeline is running
 
7:54 PM
!!lxr json_encode
 
@kelunik Nothing went wrong but I couldn't find a suitable definition
 
8:29 PM
Okay, is a reference sigil here needed for anything in PHP 5 or 7? Last I knew this was v4 legacy behavior, but I rarely use references, so checking: $CI->db =& DB($params, $active_record);
 
@LeviMorrison unlikely to be needed
Assuming DB() returns an object or resource
 
@NikiC What if it doesn't? I think it does, but this is CodeIgniter v2 I'm using here.
If DB returns a reference, I don't need to do the assignment by reference, do I?
 
@LeviMorrison you do
it's more a matter of the reference being unlikely to be actually needed
It's a typical PHP 4 code pattern, pre new object model
 
phpinternalsbook.com/php5/classes_objects/… is this still valid for PHP 7.x?
 
8:45 PM
3v4l.org/9HkiB this is kinda weird
the top output seems to always go one further
 
@MarkR I meant that sometimes I say and then think. Regarding own fatal flaw that is weird ideas :D
 
Okay, you can have that one
 
@ircmaxell Could you share it with me at my php.net email?
 
9:03 PM
Hey folks, anyone here familiar with Lando?
 
@Danack Yeah, probably resources should be burned and buried not only converted but that would require an RFC I think, personally I have no idea what people could do internally without constantly making RFC's. I remember I did the conversion with shm_* but then didn';t got enough time for that, but I think I may rethink that again cause then was plannign to go further with other resource's
 
I'm taking a crack at GD now but it may be a bit above my C paygrade at the moment. Will do a PR if I get anywhere useful
 
Conversion was quite easy, adding OO api was little bit harder, but maybe a simple conversion could just provide dumb objects replacing resources for now and make functions accept those dumb objects instead of resources
 
What I'm not getting from the docs is where all the thread safe resource manager stuff vanished to
 
@MarkR Converting rsrc to obj in ext/gd?
 
9:07 PM
Yes @Kalle. Mainly just using it as a learning experience, but if you're already chugging through it / have done it, ill look elsewhere
 
Ressource to Object are mostly BC free
Because the resource needs to come from somewhere
 
I'm not, don't have a huge interest in that but you can take a look at @cmb's recent PR for ext/xmlwriter for a base: github.com/php/php-src/pull/4706
 
And if that function returns an object and all the function which consumed the resource consume the object than migrating is basically not an issue
And as such don't need an RFC (from my understanding)
 
Yep that's what I'm using as a base for my information, that and the doc file.
 
Indeed, the primary BC break for apps is those that operate on is_resource() / get_resource_type()
@MarkR The internals book look like PHP5 code (seeing the massive TSRMLS_* macros)
 
9:10 PM
@MarkR You might wanna check my work on sysvshm github.com/php/php-src/pull/3235
 
Thanks @Kalle, @brzuchal
 
It has to be adjusted since I did this more than year ago, but I believe most things should be still valid and it was targetting PHP 7
After object initializer I need to finish it
 
I think eventually Gd would benefit from having everything shifted over to OO dual-style like XML
but for now, i'm just planning on changing the functions to accept / return the objects
 
I was never a fan of the dual API tbh, one API, simpler to understand for everyone
 
@Kalle I think the dual API is needed if we want to transition from a procedural API to an OO API
 
9:14 PM
Speaking of GD, I did write prototype years back for making the current API OO
@Girgias Maybe, but it does strengthen the lifetime of the procedural APIs, I think incremental steps is the way forward, at least for now
 
Well I don't know how you could transition otherwise :(
I would like to only have one OO api compared to resource based
But dunno how you can get rid of the procedural API without wreaking havoc
 
The most YOLO way of doing it would be to jump straight to OO, nuke the procedural, provide a userland polyfil.
 
especially in the current climate
 
I think ext/mysqli did something interesting, simply having a new extension with a similar name, however in mysqlis case it still maintains a dual API, but the transition from ext/mysql was so much better
 
I find it quite interesting that in a way I sparked major shake ups with a "small" RFC
 
9:18 PM
@Girgias can you do me a favour, and put that relevant info as a PR?
 
@Danack about the fact that resource to object conversion is not a BC ?
 
btw. Apparently there are two Chris Schneiders involved in PHP, and not just the same person with two email addresses.
 
Oh god I need to get out of the habit of continually hitting the reformat code buttons in IntelliJ every few lines of code... Not sure how i'd explain "Well, here's 5000 changed lines, almost all of it whitespace"
 
Sure remind me tomorrow, because I probably need to go to bed soon I'm driving from Stuttgart back to south of France tomorrow lol
 
@Danack Indeed, the old and inactive one are the original author of the Closures + proper floating point handling in PHP, but the new one is not as "humble" to say it politely as that one :)
 
9:19 PM
!!remind Girgies to write the resource BC info as a PR in 36 hours
 
Reminder 47330251 is set.
 
...
speeling
 
Don't worry :D
 
Honest to god how hard is it to get CLion to actually use the include paths from thecmakelists :|
... and that's when Mark discovered that zend_object_value doesn't exist anymore
 
git remote add DANGER git@git.php.net:php-src.git
 
9:34 PM
@beberlei That's a good way of handling it :D
 
I'm still trying to find an opportunity to do git push IT_TO_THE_LIMIT
 
9:45 PM
@NikiC You mentioned mhash on internals, I purposely left that out of the ext/hash RFC back about a year ago, but I do agree we should probably rid ourselves of it in master
 
I though mhash was merged into hash?
Isn't it totally redundant now?
 
It was, but there is still a configure argument that enables a compatibility layer
see ext/hash/config.[m4|w32]
 
Oh
 
@Girgias So essentially one extension operates as two :)
 
:|
 
9:52 PM
But if you wanna see some true horrific mess in that regard, then look no further than ext/pdo_dblib
 
Yeah would be good to get rid of that in 8
pls no
I don't wanna look anything PDO related
 
I think pdo_dblib can act as 3 or 4 extensions at the same time
 
"you are using the new mobile version of chat" - WHY? i am on desktop HALP
 
3, pdo_mssql, pdo_dblib & pdo_sybase
 
also i committed to php-src for the first time!
 
9:53 PM
@beberlei Congratulations! Long overdue for you to finally get some karma :)
 
cmb
@beberlei, :D
 
@Kalle thank you <3
 
The bad news is he accidentally replaced spaces with non-breaking whitespace throughout the entire codebase! Whoops, silly Beberlei
 
cmb
re mhash: couldn't there easily be a userland shim?
 
@MarkR changed $ to € :o
 
9:55 PM
@cmb I'm certain it can, I think it was ruled to be easier for userland migration to just use ext/hash as a backend for it
@beberlei If you want a real challenge, change it to "kr" (for Rasmus heritage)
 
Hehehe
 
I have a better idea, change the error control operator to be (Zeev)
𝐳$i++;
 
@MarkR Real trigger / boiling point is to remove T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
 

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