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10:00 PM
I heard a rumour that the DNS entry for phpsadness.com is directly tied to the presence of T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in the latest source code tar.
 
PHPSandess lol, that website is so wrack
 
@Kalle do you think if I replace all usage of T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM with T_COLON in a PR and still keep the old one as an alias (what currently T_COLON is) because I'm ignorant what's the chances that we can have a "civil" discussion about it
Because in that case we wouldn't be breaking BC
 
@Girgias please just leave that idea for at leat 6 months. It probably should be done, but would fan the flames of shit massively for now.
 
I'm not planning on doing it now, got better stuff to do
 
yay politics :P
 
10:05 PM
And short tags was still to recent
 
So I wanted to float something for the website while we're talking changes, this is maybe aimed more at you Girgias but I wanted more general feedback.
We're going to be introducing a lot of changes in PHP 8 and a lot of the information out there on the google for them is, well, shit.
 
@Girgias there's other reasons - but how about, "and how did that go?".
 
What would you say to the idea of pulling a microsoft and having a knowledgebase, with numbered articles that covers a specific point, or a specific error message, and gives details on how to deal with it?
 
@Girgias I'll help write an RFC for it before 8.0 even :)
 
php.net/kb/1234/ for example
 
10:07 PM
@Danack not sure I'm understanding
 
What is the point of that when everone goes to SO anyway?
 
@Kalle I'll ping you in 6months then
 
@Girgias deal
 
The top articles on SO are being quite outdated Kalle. Noone actually searches SO
 
Instead of revising for my exams I'll dive back into PHP Internal politics /s
 
10:08 PM
@Girgias you were saying that the short tags rfc was done recently, right? I'm pointing out that was (and still is) a shitshow.
 
@MarkR While I think the idea is great, I just got a feeling that it would be outdated pretty fast as the phpdoc is struggling to keep up to date on even things like the migration guide
Even net_get_interfaces() is still not documented
 
Ah yeah, it is, frankly it still annoys me to no end but I disconnect from it after Zeev kept pushing, I published the other RFC only because Nikita wrote it and I was like sure I can try to push it
 
@Danack it's such a shame that it's come to that
 
But then Zeev went into full demon mode
Also me not noticing him editing the RFC by adding his names (and other people doing it) before the end of the vote is still something which annoys me
 
cmb
@Kalle, documenting new stuff is hard if you neither have worked with it nor have access to some RFC/PR where the details are described.
 
10:13 PM
@cmb It is, I gave up on trying to document sodium during the 73 upgrade docs
or was it 7.2? I can't remember
 
7.2
 
cmb
IIRC, Scott host some nice ext/sodium documentation. Might be good to join forces.
 
imgur.com/a/qULrnS4 Interesting, getting this error at the end of an SVN checkout
"The operation failed because the file contains a virus or potential unwanted software"
 
here's a dime kid, buy a real computer
Or:
maybe kindof nsfw
 
Notice: Undefined index: y in /mnt/c/users/mark/source/repos/local-php-src/src/ext/phar/phar.php on line 1057

I'm getting that when building from the github master
 
10:20 PM
I'm forced to use a Mac at work, it is without doubt the worst OS I've ever had to endure
 
cmb
@Kalle, for a few weeks I have issues with pattern.modifiers.xml, because WinDefender flags it as malware. :(
 
lol?
@cmb I remember back when Windows Firewall came out, we used to joke that it was the best Firewall in the world because it blocked everything
 
cmb
lol
 
For some reason my Windows 10 is half english/half danish, it is stunning how that is possible
@cmb You are right, disabling it allows the checkout to proceed
 
cmb
yeah, looks like they're overzealous
 
10:26 PM
Or perhaps it just knows better and is trying to protect Kalle.
 
uuh arginfo stub work for ext/dom is going to be massively annoying
 
@beberlei if more people working on it would help, please add more info to github.com/php-pecl/ProjectCoordination/blob/master/…
 
Since Windows 10 got windows subsystems for Linux, i'm doing 90% of my work using the Linux kernel rather than WinAPI. It's quite refreshing not to have to bother with VMs directly
 
@Danack will do, but first. sleep.
 
10:30 PM
good idea.
 
@cmb I submitted a case for that file to Microsoft
 
cmb
cool :)
 
imgur.com/a/mk3R22I Even their own online tool detects the backdoor, so lets hope they remove that blocking
@cmb Curious, does the file scan positive if you remove the section about PREG_REPLACE_EVAL?
 
Yeah that was what I was thinking, those two examples are apart of the PREG_REPLACE_EVAL section
 
cmb
10:44 PM
Sorry, badly worded. I meant "no, it doesn't scan positive", and "it's about ..."
 
Ack, then we are on the same page :)
 
While I'm working on this GD stuff, would there be any major objections to be changing a few variable names up? I'm not sure I can cope with uppercase and lowercase variants of the same symbol meaning completely different things
 
@MarkR I'm not going to look at any lurking horrors, but maybe if you want to do that, probably do them as separate PRs.
 
cmb
@MarkR, IMHO depends. Do you have an example?
 
Well for example, in GDland, uppercase names seem to refer to ZVAL and lowercase seem to refer to gdImagePtr's.... so theres IM1, im1, IM2, im2 etc. Is that some kind of intentional convention?
 
cmb
10:54 PM
ah, yeah! I think it is intentional, but only used in ext/gd (and maybe some others)
if you want to change internal variable names, I'm fine with it
might be better to switch to objects right away :)
 
Not sure what you mean by the last line
 
cmb
replace the resources with objects
 
Hmmmm, you mean replacing the zvals with zend_object* ?
 
@MarkR He means replacing the usage of resources (like those returned from imagecreate*) to objects, like what we talked about above with xmlwriter
 
Yeah I'm half way through it, I'm currently working my way through changing all the ZPP statements to use O and &IM, gd_image_ce,
 
cmb
11:00 PM
+1
 
@MarkR remember there is two resource types in gd (image and font resources)
 
Aye, only hit the first one so far. Will cover fonts on the second pass. Are colours resources too or just expressed as longs
 
They are just longs
They are returned as indexed colors, instead of rgb values, hence why you need to do bit operations on them to extra the respective RGB values
imagecolorat() is an example of this
 
11:14 PM
I'm just throwing this out there as a future thing, but is there a way to easily re-write the stack to prepend a value to the arguments?
 
11:38 PM
Someone know how to do a cron job in Php?
or data crawling in PHP?
 
@John yep, which is why there's loads of guides out there. Give it a Google :)
 
11:56 PM
@JayIsTooCommon have you tried configuring a bio-metric device to a server
??
 

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