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8:00 PM
@ircmaxell I can't quite compile that tweet but it doesn't sound nice. Thanks.
 
@ircmaxell decouple zo+ from php release. problem solved
 
@Gordon in other words, release in PECL
 
@ircmaxell i dont care if pecl or core. as far as i can judge, its an optional component so I dont see why it cannot be released to the core with a 5.5.x version. the argument "process" seems silly to me
 
Variables inside double quotes or sprintf, strtr and such?
 
@Gordon process, the fact that it alters the behavior of the engine to pecl extensions, etc
 
8:05 PM
@ircmaxell then PECL
 
exactly
 
> The bat then uses its supersharp teeth to make a tiny incision, lapping up the flowing blood until it’s ingested its weight in blood. Suddenly too heavy to fly, the bat then urinates most of the blood, hanging on to the nutrient-rich blood cells.
oO
 
Anonymous
The journalist must've had some fun writting this
 
8:22 PM
is this widely used for foreach statement?
endforeach;
 
nope o_o
 
grrrrr. its 2013. Why do people still put javascript into href attributes? I use middleclick to open tabs and these DONT work!
 
@salathe that whole thing is a farce
 
@ircmaxell O+ really is
 
8:28 PM
@Gordon why do people still use obtrusive javascript? because they can
@salathe right, non-scalar is awesome...
 
@ircmaxell yes!
 
user895378
> Long term (beyond PHP 5.5), evaluate whether it makes sense to further integrate, and create tighter coupling with the Zend Engine.
 
user895378
Answer: No.
 
Final result: 21 0
 
part of me wants to completely walk way. The other part wants to call out people for the fubar things they are doing, and how they are directly harming the project. Including calling out Rasmus for actively pushing away new contributors with his "only maintainers matter" bullshit (most of whom haven't committed a single line of code in early 5 years)
 
8:31 PM
:+1:
 
Personally, I'd have preferred them stick it in PECL and be done with it. It has worked fine for APC for so long.
 
@salathe I would for 5.5, and then do a proper integration in 5.6...
 
@ircmaxell actually, I was tempted to learn some C (again, after university) just because of how things run in that place...
 
@ircmaxell its annoying. i just had to close three tabs with nothing in them because the stupid developers obviously dont care for people who middle click on links. and, because i am tidy, i closed the site where I did click the links before I checked the others. well, guess what. I wont read their content now.
 
Final result: 44 22 4 ... what does this mean now?
 
8:32 PM
@ircmaxell I'm not even sure what proper integration means, what about the other opcode caches can they get integrated too?
 
@webarto they'll get their way
 
Can I return an array from __constructor function within a Class that uses other function from the same Class ?
 
@salathe yeah, that's the thing I didnt understand. like how is zo+ different from apc that it needs a different treatment
 
user895378
The Z0+ nonsense only matters in a world where you want to use PHP as a second-class citizen behind a third-party webserver in some other language ... it has exactly zero benefit for me. Where progress for the language is concerned it's polishing brass on the Titanic and catering to a 1996 view of PHP and the web -- the absolute opposite of what should be happening IMHO.
 
@UchihaObito ctors dont return
 
8:33 PM
@Gordon ok thx
 
@rdlowrey And I e.g. already use XCache, happily.
 
@salathe No, it is a deep integration into the engine. Which is great for performance. It's great for maintainability. It's great all around, unless for some reason you want xcache or wahtever (the only remaining reason is the name)
 
@Gordon can I call for a function from constructor and return array from that function?
 
@webarto PHP doesn't have a BDFL, but in the end things just go how Rasmus says they'll go ;)
 
@NikiC which is part of what I want to call out. He plays BDFL, but only when it suits him. And that's not how that role works...
 
8:35 PM
@Gordon and parse that array to controller?
 
@NikiC Thank you for clear explanation, I can see the force is leaning on "their" side :)
 
@UchihaObito i dont understand the question
 
@Gordon ok, nvm. it's stupid
 
OH: Re #php core development: "it's polishing brass on the Titanic and catering to a 1996 view of PHP and the web"
I loved that sentiment
 
@rdlowrey You're in @ircmaxell's tweet, you should be proud :D
 
8:37 PM
@ircmaxell cough troll cough
 
user895378
It's true. Is ZO+ going to help me run a websocket app? No. Is it going to make it easier to develop simple web pages? No. It just reinforces the same old "PHP is a template language for small projects" dogma and "if you use our extensions you can push it into production for a large site too!"
 
Help.
 
@Gordon I've been called a troll before. I'm not doing it to stir the pot, but to expose the hypocrisy...
 
@user1926701 That's what they said on Titanic.
 
Anyone?
Oh.
 
8:38 PM
@rdlowrey I don't know if I agree with that sentiment
 
@ircmaxell a troll with a cause then :P
 
user895378
@ircmaxell Which part?
 
I'm looking for someone who's experienced with web servers, and when I say experienced, I really do mean "experienced".
 
user895378
(or all of it)
 
@user1926701 whats the question?
 
8:39 PM
Coming soon to a movie theatre near you: @ircmaxell in "Troll with a Cause"
 
@rdlowrey that it reinforces the "php is a template language for small projects"
 
@ircmaxell though I dont mean to offend you. Sometimes it just feels like you actually enjoy trolling them :)
 
user895378
@ircmaxell Well, you're probably right about that :)
 
Well, I sort of am complaining about my "website". It takes about 50-80ms for a script to execute, which is awfully slow.
 
@Gordon I do. But I do it not because I'm trying to stir the pot, but because I'm trying to expose the retarted nature of things. If that stirs the pot, great.
@Gordon And I don't take it in an offensive way... :-D
 
8:41 PM
@user1926701 LOL .. that is not slow...
 
@user1926701 can you provide that URL?
 
The script was executed locally, so that is actually slow.
 
user895378
@user1926701 You know Google aims to stay under 100ms delivery time, right?
 
@user1926701 can you provide the code?
 
Of course I cannot provide the code. My point is, without the "connection lag", running locally, wouldn't a "fast chat website" execute in about 20 ms or less?
 
8:42 PM
Hey, so there's this page -- which has a left-side navigation that is bad from a UX perspective, but also SEO: http://www.hasbro.com/en_GB/shop

It's not really navigation, but a filter. It's just terrible.

If one were to change it, what technical issues could be encountered?
 
depends on a lot of factors
 
@user1926701 how should we know when we dont know what technologies are used and what the scripts do
 
@user1926701 it's not all about the bandwidth
 
@Gordon should <-> we :)
 
It's not about the bandwidth, speaking on running the website on localhost.
 
8:43 PM
@webarto yoda I am
 
Some echo "Hello world" script would take like, what? 1 ms?
 
@Gordon Truth you speak
 
user895378
@user1926701 Why don't you test it and see?
 
@user1926701 depends on your system
 
8:44 PM
Okay, hold on.
I do have a decent server which has nice specs, doesn't use an SSD though.
 
user895378
Well if you're even touching the file system 80ms is just fine.
 
I'm basically running Apache, PHP, MySQL.
 
Apache -1
:D
Also MySQL -2
 
I will move my home to and starting today :D
 
user895378
8:45 PM
@PeeHaa Oh my, that's a big WTF too.
 
What's wrong with Apache? It's nice.
 
Anyone got/know material regarding why software projects fail? Except for the Chaos Report?
 
I could have my own "text file" database.
 
@Gordon Stupid colleagues pitching terrible systems
 
I'd do whatever it takes to get it to run efficiently
 
8:46 PM
Also just stupid colleagues in general
 
I simply want my "website" to be best. =[
 
@PeeHaa i was more looking for surveys and papers than personal experience but thanks ;)
 
:D
 
@rdlowrey I bet Zend is just too lazy to maintain the extension with the now yearly scheduled new releases. So just put it in and then they get maintenance for free.
 
user895378
lol probably
 
8:47 PM
@user1926701 Define the best. Based on what? What criteria?
 
also this sabotages the release rhythm quite effectively.
 
By the way:
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Q: February 2013 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat Digest

Tim StoneThe following is a "digest" version of the 2013 Moderator Election Town Hall Chat. The format, as described on Meta Stack Overflow, is one answer to this question for every question asked in the Town Hall, containing all the candidate's answers to that question. To view the digest chronologicall...

 
@Alexander ah. finally I can read what I said
 
@user1926701 In general I love anything related to porn if that helps
 
Best as in: Executes quickly, users could enjoy using the website.
 
user895378
8:48 PM
Someone should create a PHPinternalsWTF twitter account so we can aggregate and publish our complaints there.
 
@rdlowrey a moderated digest summarizing the most important events would suffice for me. kinda like internals exec summary with only 10% the kindergarten
 
@user1926701 In terms of performance I would start looking into php-fpm and nginx. Come back for your next task when you've done with that
:D
 
@Gordon you mean "curated"
 
I developed an HTML5 video chat site which uses server-sent events.
 
God my keyboard cannot type
 
8:49 PM
I don't see the needs for WebSockets.
need*
 
@Alexander me no native speaker. me no know better. but will love you long time. :P
 
user895378
@DaveRandom + @PeeHaa we need a php.internals plugin.
 
user895378
Please get to work. okthxbai!
 
@PeeHaa thats because it is inanimate matter
 
PHP sessions are awful.
 
8:50 PM
:P
 
@Gordon LOL
 
@user1926701 Yeah they suck....
As do websockets
 
Watch this: t.co/Q96e5nWG6Q
 
Any idea what CMS this is running? hasbro.com/en_GB/shop
 
Also HTML tags suck
 
8:51 PM
Oh? I looked into this one thing:
 
@Gordon I assume more than half of the people here are non-native english speakers
 
5
Q: PHP infinite loop prevents access to other scripts?

user1926701While running an infinite loop in PHP on Apache, others pages/scripts would hang (take forever to load) until I break execution of the script. However, other pages would still execute on a different user session or browser. Can this be resolved?

 
@Gordon folks used to do that sort of things on their blogs, not sure if anyone still does or not.
 
That explains one thing.
 
@salathe Would be nice if there is one central site for that which is not internals
 
8:52 PM
@salathe a single authoritative official site would be nice. like putting it on the php main page once a week or something
 
Damn ninja edit
:P
 
@PeeHaa my keyboard can type :P
 
With the strange german layout of yours? I doubt it ;)
 
Create a SE site (?)
 
Sorry to ask this here but, i dont know where to ask. What should I do if I can't ask questions anymore and I already edited which I've asked
 
8:54 PM
@PeeHaa it's a google keyboard. it is linked to my google account. hence it knows what i want to write before I do. sometimes it is making false assumptions though.
 
@user2088447 Answer questions and get upvotes
 
"even a founder can be booted"
 
thank you
 
np
 
I do contribute by asking questions.
 
Oh and I tested an 'echo "Hello.";' script.
 
@PeeHaa ouch - but thanks for the hint :)
 
Min execution time: 1 ms.
 
@user1926701 I contribute by adding snarky comments on questions
 
Max: Got like 8, 16.
But, I mostly kept getting 1s and 2s.
Any comments on that?
 
8:57 PM
@hakre I have found a lot moar crap in there while investigating that pile of crap. But this one was really worth mentioning
 
@user1926701 Yeah: E_MISSING_CONTEXT
 
What do you mean?
 
@MadaraUchiha also made it into the top 10?
 
@Baumr Looks like that it could be CommonSpot Content Server Build 7.0.0.202
 
8:59 PM
@Happyninja thanks
 
@PeeHaa Doesn't look like it :(
That Raghav dude got a massive vote tsunami from India and passed me.
 
@MadaraUchiha It's a big country
:P
Couldn't you get a force of jews behind you to counter? ;)
In all seriousness that's too bad. So you are 11th?
 
@PeeHaa Yes if you find such flaws, there are normally more. It's called a bug-cluster.
 
good evening, can anyone tell me if it is acceptable to add your own message to http codes? for example 400 - Bad Request - Check your Syntax ?
 
@Vade no
You can add some body in some cases
 
9:04 PM
even for a crummy uni assignment for a rest api?
 
@Vade you usually provide additional information with hypertext.
 
@Vade You can always use 418 if it is for a crummy uni rest api :P
 
Hey, @PeeHaa and @Gordon You are wrong.
You can put your own HTTP code descriptions in there.
 
Wut? Rfc link pleasse
 
@LeviMorrison i didnt say he may not. in fact I am still checking the RFCs.
 
9:06 PM
@PeeHaa haha i like the i am a tea pot
 
Or wait lemme ping @rdlowrey he knows the exact line of the rfc by heart
 
@LeviMorrison but when it's a REST api, additional information is part of HATEOAS
 
I'm waiting @rdlowrey
...
 
9:08 PM
@PeeHaa I think he's AFK at the moment.
 
so does that mean then i should be doing somethning like header('HTTP/1.1 Bad Request'); then is there a php function for body? i could just echo something i guess? it is being called from a jquery ajax function.
 
> The Reason-Phrase is intended to give a short textual description of the Status-Code. The Status-Code is intended for use by automata and the Reason-Phrase is intended for the human user.
I'm going to take interpretive license and say that the Reason-Phrase is intended for the user and may be whatever you want insomuch that the status code is appropriate.
 
@Vade Read the link I just posted :) I was wrong
 
> For example, if an unrecognized status code of 431 is received by the client, it can safely assume that there was something wrong with its request and treat the response as if it had received a 400 status code. In such cases, user agents SHOULD present to the user the entity returned with the response, since that entity is likely to include human- readable information which will explain the unusual status. - tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616
 
Third try, you'll get it.
 
9:10 PM
Quote MD in chat still is hard :(
 
@Vade Actually, you can do that. The phrase is for your fun, the code for the computer.
 
@Vade And to be honest, putting it in the entity means the user will be more likely to read it than in the reason phrase.
 
@Gordon You NAILED IT!
:)
@LeviMorrison I hope so :P
 
cool beans thanks for the help guys :-)
 
> The individual values of the numeric status codes defined for HTTP/1.1, and an example set of corresponding Reason-Phrase's, are presented below. The reason phrases listed here are only recommendations -- they MAY be replaced by local equivalents without affecting the protocol. - tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-6.1.1 emphasis mine
 
404 - Not here ;)
 
@rdlowrey nvm the pings. Shit got real and people read the damn RFC's themselves. Thanks for nothing!
 
Also, let's define "local equivalents".
"404 **** ain't here, brotha"
Anyone?
 
user365265
418 I’m a teapot
 
9:14 PM
403 **** off unless you get some cred
"500 this ain't no worked not over here"
 
408 Ain't nobody got time for that
4
 
lol
 
Mornings
 
Jo mr Dave
How is you?
 
> 542 The Developer Is A Bell End
Ugh, I've have had an epic day
Totally knackered
 
9:18 PM
How so?
 
Small children are exhausting things to own
 
"knackered" I don't think I've ever had a day I would describe like that.
 
@DaveRandom Yeah. I know. That's why I only pick up older children
 
@PeeHaa lol
@DaveRandom mornings? the hell?
 
@Alexander UGT
@PeeHaa I can't even think of an amusing response to that, my brain is fried. If you would be so good as to consider yourself amused, I would appreciate it.
 
9:20 PM
Can someone explain linking tables together, I tried following a tutorial I created

Table1 with tabl1.id
Table2 with tabl2.id

and then set relation so that table1 > tabl2.id but then my entire database stopped working :/?
 
/me considers himself amused
@DaveRandom What have you done today?
 
> "... Resistance is futile. Your ass will be laminated..."
lmao
 
@XCritics JOIN
Assuming mysql here for obvious reasons
 
> "... I tried following a tutorial I created..."
Punctuation needed.
 
@PeeHaa god I hate reading these lol they make me more confused
 
9:24 PM
@XCritics It even has simple examples on there
 
@PeeHaa apparently not simple enough
 
user365265
mysqld.log ?
 
In that case I'm afraid I'm also not capable enough of telling you how to proceed @XCritics
 
hello
 
So thats what I would need say if I was to create a user with multiple comments

Table1 : User_id, User_Name, Message_Id
Table2: Message_Id, Message, Date
?
 
9:26 PM
HIO!
 
@PeeHaa how goes it?
 
Or would I put User_Id in the message table
 
It goes gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood. How is you?
 
un-fucking-believably amazing :)
 
im-fucking-glad-for-you
:D
 
9:27 PM
lol
 
fuck
 
hehe
 
user365265
OMG north korea has niked CALI !!! READ THE NEWS!!
 
would you agree on this: "hyperlinks should never be used to perform actions"
 
@XCritics Hey you can not just say words like that in here. There are little children in here
 
9:27 PM
@cept0 lol. right.
 
@cept0 what is niked? The threw a fake nike shoe to the USA?
 
@PeeHaa Well we went to the park and threw bread at the ducks (not got the hang of throwing it to them yet) and then we chased some leaves and then we found a dog that looked like it would be fun to ride on, but the dog was not keen on the idea and neither was its owner, and then we went to the supermarket and terrorised the checkout girl for a bit by throwing leaflets at her the I have no idea where he even got the leaflets from.
 
@PeeHaa haha thats what I thought
 
@DaveRandom hehe sounds like an interesting day
The kid is also "dead" now I presume?
 
What IDE do you guys like for editing remote files, I'm kinda digging Komodo IDE
 
9:29 PM
sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't know
 
Well the issue is that he gets to sleep in the car between places, I do not.
Although he is now in bed
 
:D
 
Looking forward to a nice relaxing day at work tomorrow
 
lol
 
Don't say that very often.
 
9:31 PM
@XCritics One does not simply edit remote files
 
@PeeHaa fine, an IDE with FTP/SFTP support
 
@XCritics Either I create a local mirror in which case it doesn't really matter what I use, or I just ssh in and use vim . . .
 
@XCritics What I do is just get the stuff locally. But if I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally have to do soemthing remote I use vi
 
user365265
@XCritics PHP Storm supports git
 
9:32 PM
@PeeHaa but isn't it annoying when you're making a lot of changes and you want to see them, every time you have to upload it to your server again?
 
> I suggest: The Reason Phrase exists for the sole purpose of providing a textual description associated with the numeric status code out of deference to earlier Internet application protocols that were more frequently used with interactive text clients. The client SHOULD ignore the content of the Reason Phrase.....Roy
 
@XCritics Uhhhm. No I run my code locally
 
@PeeHaa but then you need 2 databases doesn't it seem like a lot more work?
 
@XCritics beats destroying your production code by making untested changes to it blindly and remotely when your network connection can die at any time leaving broken code stranded on the server
 
@Lusitanian I guess yeah if you have a constant flow of visiters
 
9:33 PM
the <center> cannot hold it is too late
 
@XCritics Doing a sql dump is easier then fixing your screwup when the shit hits the fan
 
@PeeHaa SQL dump?
 
you can also use different data which is good
it's when you eat a book about sql and...nevermind.
 
:P
@XCritics If you need the live data from the database you can simply dump all the data and import it locally
 
except if it's mysql, when dumping the database slows it down to a crawl
 
9:35 PM
"Yes.🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌" was clearly a constructive comment: the asker responded with "thx.🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌". Bananas offered, bananas accepted. — nneonneo 3 hours ago
lololol
 
heehe
 
If I'm only doing small querys should I store_result or just bind_result
Sigh I don't remember apache site being so retarded, where is the .msi for windows?

http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi#apache24
 
@PeeHaa Have you looked at setting up the build tools yet?
 
@hakre Thanks!
 
9:42 PM
Oooooh sheit. Totally forgot about that. Let me login to the server
 
@PeeHaa Well wait little while anyway
 
wait on?
 
When it comes to SEO, can there be 2 or more rel="canonical" tags?
Should I make that into a question on Webmasters?
 
I was thinking about what you said about renaming the branch and I realised (IMO) we should have an "alpha" branch and build the nightlys off that
 
@Baumr maybe, but actually for canonical it makes no sense to have more than one.
 
9:43 PM
@PeeHaa Idownloaded it, double clicked nginx and a cmd prompt popped and disappeared, im assuming its running went to localhost and nothing t here
 
just by definition
 
@hakre That's what I thought
 
So that dev is for for actual dev
Also I need to send you the mozilla private key somehow
 
Exactly -- but I've seen big company pages have 2

In fact, crawling them with Screaming Frog shows up 2 on some pages -- likely an error
 
Yes. Yes. And mail me
@DaveRandom
 
9:45 PM
@PeeHaa I'll mail you a link and delete it when you have the file
 
kk
 
0
Q: Hyperlink usage

Happy ninjaIs it true hyperlinks should never be used to perform actions? For example, Would it be bad to do this: <a href="?action=doThis" class="btn">do this button</a> Instead of this: <form action="?doThis" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="action" value="doThis">...

 
@PeeHaa Any idea why I'm getting nginx: [emerg] bind<> to 0.0.0.0:80 failed socket in a way forbidden to access
 
@hakre Here's the question:
0
Q: Is it valid to have 2 or more canonical tags?

BaumrI have seen some websites have more than 2 canonical tags on certain pages. Usually appears on product pages, and the first one usually seems relevant (takes away any session IDs or other dynamic strings in the URL), but the second points to the general parent category. I assumed it was a mista...

 
@XCritics Something is already running on port 80?
 
9:48 PM
@PeeHaa got it, skype was
 
It often is
:)
 
@PeeHaa God I hate MS
 
posted on March 07, 2013

The PHP development team announces the release of PHP 5.5.0alpha6. This release fixe some bugs from alpha5. It also serves as a delay for our next beta 1 integrating ZendOptimizer+ OPCode cache which is not ready yet to be merged. All users of PHP are encouraged to test this version carefully, and report any bugs in the bug tracking system.

 
@SymfonyBorat
Developer Symfony from Kazakstan
117 tweets, 91 followers, following 12 users
Your build not fail if you be usink Symfony
 
@XCritics Meh. Win 7 is ok
 
9:50 PM
@PeeHaa not sure if serious
@PeeHaa Which is the default folder, I put my files in html/ but im still seeing the splash screen for nginx
 
@ircmaxell heh, so sad
 
@XCritics There should be an nginx.conf somehwere
 
@PeeHaa does this also install php and what not or do I need something else now
@PeeHaa I know apache does
@PeeHaa         location / {
            root   html;
            index  index.html index.htm;
I have it in that html folder
ah, maybe cause its index.php :x
Nope, still the splash I deleted 5 minute ago lol
 
@ircmaxell We just had a bit of discussion with dsp on pecl and I think I understand the position of the other side better now
 
9:55 PM
@PeeHaa yeah I got that done, but im still seeing the Welcome to Nginx!
when all my files are there
 
user895378
@PeeHaa Sorry -- went to WalMart :) Don't know if you settled the matter already or not but you're definitely allowed to customize reason phrases. Specifically you're allowed to customize them for localization purposes ... e.g. if I only speak Spanish then Method Not Allowed won't mean anything to me. You aren't technically required to even provide a reason phrase.
 
user895378
You're supposed to retain the meaning of the canonical reason phrases mentioned in the spec, but there's no checks or balances to make sure you do.
 
I added specifics and a link to the offending website in question:
0
Q: Is it valid to have 2 or more canonical tags?

BaumrI have seen a major website have more than 2 canonical tags on certain pages. Here's the first, in the <head>: <link href="http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/en_GBshop/details.cfm?guid=5D94F66B-5056-900B-1088-2D4F72FDF8FA&product_id=29469&src=endeca" rel="canonical"/> And lowe...

 
43 mins ago, by PeeHaa
@rdlowrey nvm the pings. Shit got real and people read the damn RFC's themselves. Thanks for nothing!
:D
 
user895378
haha
 
9:57 PM
@XCritics did you also setup fast cgi?
 
@PeeHaa just sent you a mail to php.net
I will set up an alpha branch and adjust the build-tools scripts accordingly, and let you know when it's done
 
cool
 
@NikiC Oh?
 
ping me when you have the private key file so I can delete it from the server
 
I have to go, but will talk later (or drop me a mail about it)
 
9:59 PM
"You can turn any data into big data by exporting it to XML"— @sohm
6
rofl / cc @NikiC
 
@DaveRandom done
 
@PeeHaa ...and done
winner
 

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