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12:00 AM
Good extremely-late evening
 
@DaveRandom I'm quite sure you mean "extremely-early morning"
 
Good point
 
Or of course just morning if you adhere to UGT
 
UGT is for people who believe the world outside their immediate vicinity exists. I am Engish, and therefore if I ain't invaded it, it doesn't exist.
 
@DaveRandom Ingress says there's portals out there
 
12:10 AM
@Ocramius OK, I'm man enough to admit that I have no idea what that is (even after reading about it)
 
@DaveRandom Good for me I'm from one of the very few countries that invaded your homeland
 
@DaveRandom weird mobile phone game by google
 
Here is another link about the ongoing election
 
@Ocramius I managed to work that much out, seems a little impenetrable though
@Jocelyn Hey hey! Not seen you around for a little while...
 
@DaveRandom received an invite days ago... still didn't figure out how to play it though ._.
looks like all the area near where I work was already conquered and is now untouchable
 
12:13 AM
@DaveRandom I was busy doing other things ;-)
 
@Jasper Depends how you look at it. Arguably most of the Norse-descended cultures have invaded Britain at some point, plus the Romans and the French which would make @Ocramius have invaded me twice, since he's both a German and an Italian plumber.
@Jocelyn Not good enough. Too much RL not enough CV :-P
 
lol
 
@DaveRandom I checked the cv-queue, it doesn't seem to get lower, since there are plenty of new questions to review every day :-/
cv-queue: 48.7k questions...
 
@Jocelyn Actually that was 49.something this morning
Yesterday morning
Whatever
Fuck you timezones
 
@DaveRandom this was before I resumed casting closevotes :)
 
12:19 AM
lol
I ran out of CVs about an hour after I got to work
 
same here :\
 
Looking at "the closing room", now I understand why the backlog was full of questions all related to parse errors
 
they should probably double the limit or throttle it to fit the number of questions per >3k user
 
@Jocelyn Yeh, what started out as typo/spelling has kinda turned into a massive generally TL push
I blame @crypticbot
 
There are many >3K users who never cast closevotes, and instead try to always give an answer to get more reputation points :-/
 
12:25 AM
This is a subject that's been brought up at least a couple of times on meta and rejected, although I'd happily support it if someone can be bothered bringing it up again. I think the only way it would ever happen is if you took a coherent proposal though, "maybe do it this way or something" just won't cut it.
I notice @Shog9 is lurking in here again, I wonder if he has anything to say on the matter...
 
it's all crap
sorry, what's the question?
 
lol
 
@DaveRandom Fair enough. However, the last successful invasion was one that involved us and internal affairs on your behalf. Before that, the last invasion that involved people landing on British mainland, was us (even though it was mainly fought in the water and harbor). And that's all in the category of another nation invading British mainland since the 1300s
 
@Shog9 Just poking the old bear of giving higher rep users more close votes
@Jasper I must admit, my "history of Europe" knowledge is just not good enough to even comment on that without going and reading some serious Wikipedia first, although I'm sure you're right
 
@DaveRandom Not that it matters really. Just thought that since you brought up invasions :P
 
12:30 AM
I'd prefer to see something more like what happens with flags:
60
A: Are the new moderator flag limits sufficiently high?

Marc GravellUntil a few days ago, the calculation was: default 10 per day one bonus flag per 1000 reputation maximum 100 But we have now tweaked this to consider previous flagging history: flags by people who flag well are OK so: default 10 per day one bonus flag per 2000 reputation one bonus flag per...

Wherein, reputation or demonstrated ability to use them properly garners you more to use
Of course, the trick is figuring out a good way to judge "properly"
 
I'd certainly be happy with that, but I wonder how you would get such a metric
@Shog9 exactly
I mean if you look at the [cv-ring] in this room for the last 14 days:
  Processing transcript for room: (11) PHP

  1018 vote requests total
  934 unique questions
  824 close vote requests (32 duplicates): 726 completed (91.67% success)
  194 delete vote requests (8 duplicates): 156 completed (83.87% success)
(because I just happen to have those stats lying around)
I'm not sure "success" is the right word
but anyhow, I guess you could look at how many close-votes cast result in a closed q, count that as a positive and if the vote expires count that as negative
 
So yeah: @Dave here has a 89% all-time success rate for closing questions on SO
that ain't bad
I have a 98% all-time success rate
 
@Shog9 I'm not seeing my flag weight on my profile, does anyone know where it should be?
 
@Jasper It's no longer visible. Folks got hung up on it.
It still exists though, and silently judges you, behind your back, with nothing you can do to stop it
 
@Shog9 aww, I was just going to look it up to boost my confidence :P
 
12:39 AM
Won't give you a number, but if most of your flags have been helpful you can bet it's pretty good.
 
@Shog9 I know, I was just curious
 
@Shog9 are you able to disclose the TTL of a vote request or is that a closely guarded secret? (it shouldn't be, it may already be hiding on meta somewhere)
 
@DaveRandom the what?
 
time-to-live
 
@Shog9 As in, if I go and cv a random question now, how long before that request expires and my vote no longer counts?
 
12:43 AM
@DaveRandom oh, that's public. Hang on,
 
What's the deal with Neal?!
 
3
A: How do close votes age away?

Shog9 Start to age away at one per day immediately after there are 100 views* This. There's no "view history" that'd tell us when a post crosses 100 views, so when the aging task fires it just looks at every post that has at least 100 views where all outstanding close votes are older than 4 days. ...

 
I'm always concious of the fact that the whole [cv-ring] process is kinda bending the rules, sometimes sails a little close to the wind, we've had to reject a couple of features to some of our userland tools because it would make it too easy to close questions without making a considered decision
 
@DaveRandom This is why we added "do not close" to /review/close - there needs to be some sort of escape hatch to prevent anything that gets at least one vote from eventually being closed regardless of merit.
 
We badly need an API interface to the /review queue, that's my #1 SE wish
 
12:46 AM
What would you do with it?
 
It's pretty annoying that the review system uses a distinct ID system from question IDs
 
That does make it harder, but... A given post can be reviewed potentially multiple times in multiple queues; if they didn't have distinct IDs, there'd need to be some other way to differentiate them.
 
@Shog9 Well I think something that puts people off "wasting" their votes on requests here is that it soesn't count towards public stats, it would be nice to be able to link people to something that would count towards badges etc. All we'd really need for that would be a way to resolve question ID -> review queue ID
@Shog9 granted, but not concurrently. A post can't be in the same review queue more than once at the same time.
Still, the current system does work fairly well - we don't have unlimited votes but as long as at least one use is able to cast a vote it does put it into the regular review queue system
 
@DaveRandom A post can't have multiple active reviews in the same queue at any given time. But review tasks stick around once completed so that, well, folks can review the reviews.
 
It's just that "as long as..." caveat that's the problem.
@Shog9 Yes I do see that problem. I guess all I'm really wanting then is a way to resolve question ID -> review ID. Also a way to get X random items from the review queue would be nice, so we can slide them into the backlog when (if) it's quiet
 
12:54 AM
@DaveRandom You could always just filter by [php] and just use it as it was intended...
 
We like to inject things into chat because a) we are too lazy to open another tab and b) we (I, but also others) are not too lazy to waste countless hours implementing stuff like that. But that is absolutely a valid and unarguable point.
One thing that has been bugging me over the last couple of days though - it seems odd that the API exposes data (to anyone) that requires rep to get access to through the "regular" system. Case(s) in point: upvote/downvote counts (as opposed to just "score") and close vote/delete vote count.
Seems almost like charging people for free things. Although obviously not really because of the time investment in implementing an API client, but it's unlikely you'd do that just for yourself, you're kinda giving "chargeable" data away for free
 
@DaveRandom well, those last two are inaccurate (on site and in data-se). Other than that, it's mostly historical reasons: apparently fetching those votes counts was expensive enough at one point that making it generally available wasn't gonna fly. I doubt that's still true, but... Hey, 1K priv.
 
Ahh that makes more sense then I guess
Right, my laptop battery is going to die in a minute and my charger is way over there on the other side of the room so I guess I might as well head to bed
The fact that it is 1am has nothing to do with it
@Shog9 thanks for the infoz :-)
night @all
 
Just for the lulz: closing stats on everyone currently in this room (who can close)
Name        votes closes pctSuccess
----------- ----- ------ ----------
Shog9       2804  2756   98.29
Jasper      141   129    91.49
Gordon      5229  4025   76.97
igorw       6     4      66.67
ThiefMaster 1980  1814   91.62
cHao        3226  2570   79.67
ircmaxell   975   882    90.46
Ocramius    224   220    98.21
webarto     874   777    88.9
tereško     8994  7572   84.19
cspray      309   264    85.44
DaveRandom  1622  1452   89.52
rdlowrey    1095  914    83.47
Jocelyn     4699  4084   86.91
 
@Shog9 89.07...not bad
@igorw you've only cast 6 close votes? WAT?
@igorw why do we let you in here, exactly?
 
1:14 AM
@Lusitanian I enjoy watching other people work
in all honesty though, question police is simply not a game I enjoy playing
I admire that you guys put so much effort into it and make SO a better place, but it's just not for me :)
 
Is there a way to un- a question?
 
1:50 AM
@Lusitanian u mad?
 
2:02 AM
@ircmaxell @DaveRandom Object Initialiser trailing commas also in the standard
 
@igorw lololol
@igorw you didn't follow me back on twitter after pushing me into making one (and thus falling into the darkside)
 
I must have missed the memo
@Lusitanian did not get any mail from twitter about this. I want my money back. following your ramblings now ;-).
 
2:18 AM
@igorw i have absolutely no ramblings because i can't figure out what i'm meant to ramble about
 
your oauth blog post maybe? or how much twitter sucks?
 
i started writing another blag post about not doing things the rails way and then realized it'd be a carbon copy of 800000000 other anti-rails tirades
 
the dark side, would that be #000000 ? :p
 
 
1 hour later…
3:48 AM
@ShyamK fancy seeing you
 
4:13 AM
anyone does session hijacking prevention
 
@kabuto178 what about it?
 
I was wondering if there was a way to make my sessions more secure other than using SSL
 
@NickFury heya... how are ya?
you a bear now?
 
hi guys
 
4:17 AM
@kabuto178 you might find this useful too blog.ircmaxell.com/2011/08/…
 
any best wordpress theme / script that can make some money....thru adsense ..something like that..proven
 
Hey peter, i will take a look now @crypticツ and @NickFury thanks for helping me take that next step in wb dev
rawr
 
@ShyamK apparently I'm jumping on the animal bandwagon
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
4:34 AM
@NickFury I thought puppies and kitties were the usual...
there are monkeys too... :) bears are new (I think)
 
It must be a Canadian thing :P
 
Whose ready to spend their votes? =oD
 
@crypticツ I'm Game !!
 
lol
 
4:37 AM
oh here it comes
 
wow
 
finger getting tired
omg
 
let wade through the backlog before I post more. I don't want to post duplicate cvs
TO THE BACKLOG!!!!
 
4:51 AM
lol
 
damn typos
 
rofl
 
@kabuto178 why was your finger getting tired?
 
so many close votes lol
 
Were you flagging them all?
 
5:02 AM
-4
A: Input string was not in a correct format

user2138315So, I'm cruising along writing some code and reviewing posts on this site (which I've done for years). Usually, it's quite helpful and a good place to get answers. However - some of the people answering questions on this site (with huge point counts, like their 'holy grail' is how many points the...

 
finding out now there are many more ways than i thought to vulnerabilities than filtering content
 
Awesome answer is awesome =/
 
most of them
 
@Jack Most irritated person on SO :p
 
"So, I'm cruising along writing some code and reviewing posts on this site (which I've done for years)" he sounds so cool
 
5:05 AM
Yeah, you can tell he loves the site.
 
2 points
 
5:30 AM
@kabuto178 filtering content is a way to vulnerability?
 
:)
 
5:45 AM
Who wants a cookie?
 
@crypticツ if eatable than sure... I hope you not taking about the browser one :p
 
Too late, already ate it =oP
But here's a browser one though, it's expired though =o( setcookie('oatmeal', 'stale', time() - 3600);
 
:-/
 
6:16 AM
How could I return a short code front end value in the backend editor in wordpress?
@andho ?
 
@BrandonGelfand sup?
 
I wanna return the product of a shortcode in the TinyMCE editor
how could I do that?
I tried a few things
but I couldnt get it working
 
no idea
 
I basically wanna show the parse value in the back
end*
know some1 who might @andho ?
 
no
 
6:20 AM
is there a wordpress chat here?
 
nop
 
@Brandon Post your detail question on wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions
 
0
A: regular expression for brackets and strings inside it

JackTo remove properly balanced sections delineated by parentheses, you can use this expression: echo preg_replace('#\((((?>[^()]+)|(?R))*)\)#', '', $str); Applied to this string: hello world (bla (bla and stuff) (something else) and others The output is: hello world (bla and others

Recursive patterns ... the good stuff!
Oh bla
Just realized it's JS haha
That's rather embarrassing ;-)
 
user652649
6:35 AM
morning fellas
 
user652649
> Edits must be at least 6 characters; is there something else to improve in this post?
 
user652649
isn't that a bit stupid? since an edit may be about code where every single character matters?
 
@wes you need to find some more problems with the post :P
 
user652649
@andho can I write new problem and then edit again?
 
user652649
:P
 
6:49 AM
Then you might need to wait until you can edit. SO likes to keep their community members sharp, by introducing these little obstacles
 
user652649
dammit :P
 
7:04 AM
@wes add some empty spaces at the end of a line until it is enough for edit
oh wait nvm, you don't have edit privs so it will be denied when reviewed
 
When you visit this stackoverflow.com/… and repeatedly click the search button the amount of results fluctuate. Is this because of load balancing querying a different server?
 
@crypticツ maybe a quantum server handles the read side
 
Good morning guys.
 
ahem
 
7:10 AM
hehe
Evening
 
It's 9AM here :)
 
wheee. free single of the week in playstore is gin wigmore.
 
Morning @Gordon
 
morning
@crypticツ not TL or NARQ but dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/2154220/…
 
7:24 AM
@Gordon OP was calling a function that echoed a value but was trying to get return value of function, OP switched to the correct WP function that does return a value. By calling the wrong function the value was echoed to browser before any modification could be done.
 
Hola!
 
$text = the_title_attribute(); would echo out the value instead of return it. @Gordon
 
@crypticツ let's agree on TL and dupe then :)
 
@Gordon certain someone is gonna run for mod, come next elections?
 
@andho hm?
 
7:28 AM
@Gordon hehe @crypticツ the way she's going
 
@andho I wouldn't qualify, and don't think I would make a good mod, I'd bite too many heads off
 
@crypticツ won't you say hi to @MihaiIorga :P
 
Ups ... I didn't realize .. Good morning girls :)
 
@MihaiIorga oh, me neither
 
7:32 AM
I propose we have people in the PHP room volunteer to monitor specific tags or terms for cv worthy questions. Each person can work on that specific area and cv all the questions that need to be and then mantain it. I'm trying to get all "parse errors" down (got 182 left) then plan on checking them daily to make sure they don't pile up again. Anyone think this is a good idea?
 
still I'm pretty sure @crypticツ is mad at me for some reason :) no argue. Anyways good morning @crypticツ
 
@MihaiIorga hello =oP
 
@crypticツ good idea
 
For those who can see: stackoverflow.com/a/259615/1338292 ... not just one bad answer, many!
 
from same user ... haha
 
7:35 AM
do you guys use stackguru
 
I wonder if @Peehaa or @DaveRandom would make a signup page for us so we can assign sections to people.
 
@crypticツ why would we need some sort of page for that?
 
nobody uses it?
 
@andho nope
 
@Gordon so we won't be needlessly checking a section someone is already monitoring. Would be better if they chose a separate section so to spread out the variety
 
7:38 AM
it seems really helpful for the purpose. Specially if you can add a couple more features
 
Why you are not trying with javascript or jquery from client side? w3schools.com/js/js_form_validation.aspSibiraj PR 2 mins ago
 
@crypticツ too much effort imo. I'd rather use a gist for the list if anything at all. I mean, I can simply ask you to tell me what you are monitoring. which is much nicer because I get to talk to you. social ftw.
 
@Gordon thats fine with me =oP
 
@crypticツ free hugs?
 
@Gordon I agree we are sometimes too bad @ socializing ...
 
7:41 AM
socializing is for loosers
 
i would rather talk to web page
with mouse clicks
 
webpages understand me
 
mouse clicks a easier than moving my jaws
 
my google nexus understands me. it has speech recognition.
 
7:42 AM
lol
 
We - The Crazy Developers :)
 
> Curl rocks :)
 
1
A: PHP : session start

KolinkYour variable name in the query is :pass_hache, but you are giving it a :pass parameter. Please keep track of your variable names.

he keeps doing it
psssh politicians, always saying one thing and doing another =oP
 
7:46 AM
@crypticツ Get him!
 
monitor his answers
 
@crypticツ hm. I'll put a dv on his nomination
 
friendly, reminder =oP
 
@crypticツ Oops, sorry. Deleted the entire thing, but maybe the notification still gets sent :)
 
it's ok, there will be more
 
7:49 AM
haha, of that we are sure.
 
in 2013 Stack Overflow Moderator Election, 4 mins ago, by Jeremy Banks ᐛ
@UTC 7:45
1. Andrew Barber [3244] (21793 rep, 9257 helpful flags)
2. Flexo [2434] (28739 rep, 7390 helpful flags)
3. minitech [1976] (57911 rep, 3171 helpful flags)
4. animuson [1707] (14895 rep, 1573 helpful flags)
5. Gordon [1656] (110887 rep, 562 helpful flags)
6. ChrisF [1527] (60819 rep, 434 helpful flags)
7. Lord Torgamus [1295] (7015 rep, 573 helpful flags)
8. JNK [1239] (26212 rep, 324 helpful flags)
9. bluefeet [1220] (55472 rep, 1213 helpful flags)
10. Raghav Sood [1110] (18423 rep, 1358 helpful flags)
 
Wow, look at Mr Barber go =O
 
/me disapproves with <20k user still before me.
 
<h1>Vote @Gordon for moderator!!</h1>
**>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [VOTE HERE][1] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<**

[1]: stackoverflow.com/election/4#post-15077491
<hr>
put that in your profiles too!
 
7:53 AM
ok
 
@crypticツ :D
where is my frigging gold badge. give it me nao!!
 
Hello!
 
@Gordon You are just one answer away
 
8:02 AM
@Gordon I assume you have volunteered yourself to do this? =o)
 
@Gordon you live upto your fictional namesake
 
The scary things that comes out of Boston Dynamics robot labs freaking cheetah robot can outrun a man, robots that can climb, now this youtube.com/watch?v=2jvLalY6ubc it's what will happen when a robot gets mad at a human and throws them across the room.
Skynet is coming =o\
 
user652649
8:20 AM
morning again
 
morning
 
good morning folks
someone experienced in ZF2?
 
Hi ! How could I bind some attribute of my object by a form ?
in ZF 2
 
8:37 AM
hello do you know magento ??
 
How do you make a tag? :o
 
echo "<tagname>";
 
[tag: yourtag] <-- without space
 
8:40 AM
ah cool, thanks
 
[tag:name]
 
@Gordon Gordon Freeman. What's the other one?
 
@andho I'd rather not tell ;)
 
Flash Gordon
 
@crypticツ you are too young to know that one :D
 
8:44 AM
I'm edumacated
4
 
although I would have adopted that as my nickname if I had followed up on Adobe Flash ;)
later I would have changed it to Silverlight Gordon
 
FLASH! Aahaa!
 
Do we have any api for amazon Buyer-Seller Messaging Service?
The Buyer-Seller Messaging Service is a system that facilitates communication between buyers and sellers in the Amazon marketplace.
 
@Gordon Yu-Gi-Oh!
 
@NiekBergman there is also a Flesh Gordon btw. I leave it up to you to find out more about that. but dont say i didnt warn you afterwards.
 
8:47 AM
if we need an introduction to Amazon Buyer-Seller Messaging Service, then how would we know if it has an API?
 
:|
@Gordon: I guess I should not look this up at work?
 
@crypticツ im too old for yu-gi-oh so i dont know what that means. only know its some sort of japanese comic/cgc
 
could it be Commissioner Gordon
 
@NiekBergman its nsfw
@crypticツ that one's from Batman
 
I figured. :)
 
8:49 AM
@Gordon Bah, i'm at work =/
 
@andho , there is other api like sqs etc, so I specificly mention that
 
There was this 80s sitcom ALF where the alien's real name is Gordon, too. You can imagine my feelings when the episode revealing that was aired. I was like: yeah, right. tommorow's not going to be fun in school.
 
I've seen ALF, that furry guy with weird snout
you guys had some weird shows back then
 
@crypticツ There were some awesome ones too. Like the Fresh Prince of Bell Air. That one might have been in the early 90's tho.
 
8:56 AM
 
@dragon112 hehehe, will smith. though I never watched that
 
@crypticツ ALF was a good show
Maldives was behind in TV shows so we got ALF in late 90's
 

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