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4:00 PM
A bug fixed in MSVC? Impossible
 
@BartekBanachewicz does icc (or maybe studio) also have commandline oriented utils for Linux, or is it GUI only? Some of the tracing tools look sweet, but a bit difficult to use if the machine is halfway around the world.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz > void main()
WHY, MSVC TEAM, WHYYYY
 
main should've been void in the first place though
 
@unthought yes, it has free noncommercial linux version
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Then I have 10 impossible news for you, atleast. :3
 
4:01 PM
@Xeo Don't make me dig dictionary entry for facetious
 
Xeo
lol
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous
 
Argh I can't get this fucking Rails project to run
 
@unthought Yes and no. Quite a few of the tools let you collect data remotely. Then you just copy the collected data to your local machine and analyze away.
 
Just came back from the dentist.
 
4:09 PM
Just came back from Reddit.
 
Ell
str isn't callable :'(
 
So, I'm gonna make a new law: in WPF, any problem can be solved by declaring a new dependency property.
 
@CatPlusPlus Why would you want to get a Rails project to run?
 
Because I get paid...?
 
Ah. I thought you were just enjoying security vulnerabilities so much :P
 
4:17 PM
@Ell Obviously
@NikiC If I were I'd be using PHP
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus ikr?
 
@CatPlusPlus PHP kinda didn't have 8 vulnerabilities in the last month ^^
[Also: Sorry for trolling. I like to bash a bit on Rails from time to time :)]
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Woa.
 
4:19 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol @ all the 1star reviews
 
Ell
Ahh I figured out pythons import system a little more
 
People actually make money from this shite?
 
What kind of shite?
 
Vitriolic tirades in book form
turns out you can get rich from writing YouTube comments on paper
TIL
 
You can get rich from anything.
 
4:22 PM
Not really...
 
I regularly joke that Nintendo would make millions selling an official Legend of Zelda dog turd.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sadly... they would
 
Humans are irrationnal.
They make incredibly bad decisions.
 
Ell
Okay never mind, I don't udnerstand it >.<
 
user142019
Stupid bank still hasn’t given me access to my account.
 
user142019
4:24 PM
And it’s been a week.
 
user142019
Time to switch banks.
 
user142019
What a bunch of losers.
 
-3
Q: Facebook says I like one more page, but then does not display it.

nawawazOn my Facebook profile, when I click on "likes" it shows all the pages I like. But under some sections it says "1 more," however when I click on the 1 more, it says "No Pages to show." Can anyone help it's sorta driving me crazy.

 
user142019
Rabobank is terrible.
 
user142019
I’m going to ABN AMRO or ING.
 
4:27 PM
I particularly enjoyed the imaginative use of the php tag. — Lightness Races in Orbit 3 mins ago
@Zoidberg why did they take it away?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz they didn't.
 
@Zoidberg soo?
 
user142019
My parents had access to it till I became 18 and when I became 18 ownership would be transfered to me.
 
user142019
Now it’s my account, but I can’t access it.
 
user142019
Nobody can access the account. xD
 
4:29 PM
@JerryCoffin thanks. I will have to investigate a bit more (seems to be available under non-commercial terms in the packages of my distro), and find out whether (and where) it fits into my workflow.
 
user142019
Last Thursday they’d fix it for me but they still didn’t do it.
 
user142019
Assholes.
 
@Zoidberg That's because you are Zoidberg
 
user142019
Stupid bank y u no give me access to MY money.
 
user142019
I should sue them for stealing my money.
 
4:31 PM
CHAT Y U NO SCROLL
@Zoidberg Yes, good luck with that.
 
user142019
You should print the entire transcript on one large scroll.
 
@Zoidberg How will you pay for it?
@Zoidberg Hehe I'll make a tapestry from it
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have another account to which I do have access.
 
user142019
I have two bank accounts.
 
And no money
 
user142019
4:32 PM
And about €800 on one and about €2000 on the other one.
 
uhh fuck
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
Also parents have money too. \o/
 
fuck tortoise git
 
user142019
Y u tortoise.
 
user784668
4:33 PM
Fuck git.
 
user142019
Y u no command-line interface.
 
@Zoidberg works with basic, repetitive cases
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz So does command line.
 
@Fanael it's easier to do simple commits/pushes through GUI
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Nope.
 
4:34 PM
@Fanael oh, you are linux user, I am not going to even listen to you
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz watno
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Dunno about git, but in Mercurial it's hg commit -m "commit message". Can't be much simpler than that.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not.
 
company network, Y U NO WORK?
 
@Fanael whatever, i have to rebranch now
 
user142019
4:35 PM
@Fanael meh.
 
user142019
Oneliners.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz what is rebranch?
 
user142019
You mean switching branches?
 
user142019
$ git checkout mybranch
 
user784668
@Zoidberg So hg commit and vim spawns.
 
user142019
4:36 PM
@Fanael \o/
 
TortoiseHg Workbench owns
 
@Zoidberg one for each clue you have
 
Ell
hmm. I think I prefer RoR's ORM (what I remember of it) to djangos, has_many is cool
 
-2
Q: Strange difference between formatted date and original date

Pavel KI tried to get events from google calendar. So I have trouble in time output. $date = DateTime::createFromFormat("Y-m-d\TH:m:sP", "2013-02-12T21:00:00-05:00"); echo $date->format('H:m'); Output is 21:12, but it should be 21:00. How it can be fixed?

my gods why are people so fucking stupid
read the manual
actually easier than going and posting a question about it on SO and waiting for an answer
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
user784668
4:42 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My gods why are people so fucking stupid. Stop lurking around .
 
@Fanael BUT I WANT MOAR REPS!
@Fanael once I've got my gold, I'll bail out
 
user142019
@Ell Django also has relationships you scrub.
 
It's supposed to be just 50 more rep, but something went wrong with my tags
 
Ell
@Zoidberg I know, but I don't understand them :'(
 
user142019
Well learn them.
 
4:43 PM
They're literally the same
 
Ell
I'm trying :p
 
user142019
I didn’t understand functors either but now I do.
 
Ell
but I didn't even have to learn RoRs :O
 
Database relations are the same everywhere
Stop being bad
 
Ell
I can't help it
 
4:44 PM
 
Ell
I have a file class which needs to have multiple tags, I don't know which relationship. It's not many to many, it's not one to many, which is it?
Oh wait... is it many to many? o.O
 
user142019
One-many = one to many
Many-many = many to many
One-one = one to one
 
user142019
It ain’t rocket science.
 
user142019
File has many tags so it's to-many.
 
user142019
If a tag has many files it's many-to-many.
If a tag has one file it's one-to-many.
 
user142019
4:48 PM
Also general-purpose DBMS’ that don't support storing arrays are terrible.
 
user142019
Common sense and boxes and arrows > UML.
 
user142019
Who the fuck standardizes boxes and arrows. Or flowcharts.
 
sigh... still at work
 
user142019
Do you get extra money?
 
user142019
No? GTFO now!
Yes? Go ahead and work.
 
4:52 PM
well, there is no harm in a standardised meaning for those random boxes and what not
@Zoidberg flexi hours, so I just come in a late tomorrow
 
user142019
Ohh relaxed.
 
yeah, but I want to go home now
 
user142019
I’d rather get up later the next day.
 
user142019
You need to explicitly box it using Integer.
 
huh pass by reference
 
user142019
4:55 PM
One thing where Java fails: explicit boxing.
 
everything in java is passed by value
 
user142019
@Rapptz what the fuck no.
 
user142019
Almost everything in Java is passed by reference.
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg What the fuck yes? The references are passed by value.
 
@ScottW wait... I thought Integer was a built in way of passing primitives by ref?
 
Ell
4:56 PM
In java, all references are just values which are references to references to values to references to objects
5
 
it's a matter of view point, in C++ if you pass a pointer to an object, you are passing a pointer value, but the data you are passing is passed by reference
 
Ell
obvs not but that's why I don't like non-value semantics :P
 
user142019
Immutability is the best.
 
user142019
Everything must be immutable.
 
@Zoidberg well sure, but that is an advanced subject for Java folk
 
Ell
4:57 PM
In c# how do I get a ** ?
 
user142019
@Ell like this, I think:
 
user142019
unsafe {
    T** x = …;
}
 
Ell
Okay how do I get a reference to a reference?
meh ignore me
 
@Ell o_0
 
user142019
@Ell box it.
 
Xeo
4:58 PM
@Ell ref or out parameter
(No, I don't know the difference between the two.)
119
Q: What's the difference between the 'ref' and 'out' keywords?

TK.I'm creating a function where I need to pass an object so that it can be modified by the function. What is the difference between: public void myFunction(ref MyClass someClass) and public void myFunction(out MyClass someClass) Which should I use and why?

Nvm, ref it should be
 
user142019
@Xeo out is one-way.
 
user142019
lol
 
user142019
public sealed class Reference<T> {
    public T Value;
};
 
is ref that it is or should be already set?
 
user142019
void f(out T x);
void g(ref T x);

T x;
f(x); // x will be initialized by f.

T y;
g(y); // error; y not initialized.
 
user142019
5:01 PM
out is for what it says it is: out parameters.
 
user142019
Which are terrible in 99.9999999999 out of 99.99999999991 cases.
 
so you have to have initialised a 'ref' before you pass it?
 
user142019
Yes.
 
@Zoidberg I can't be arsed to count those, I'll assume you're wrong
 
user142019
Otherwise the function can’t no whether it has to initialize or not, and it may not do that.
 
user142019
5:05 PM
Which would result in UB, but UB can’t happen in C# without unsafe.
 
@Zoidberg null?
is null not the same as undefined in C#?
 
user142019
@thecoshman no default null except for data members.
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ #)
 
user142019
void foo() {
    string x;
    Console.WriteLine(x); // compile-time error: x not initialized
}
 
¬_¬ close enough
 
5:06 PM
if(n != null)
?_?
 
user142019
@Rapptz What about it?
 
user142019
x in the example above is not null.
 
fix your errors fool
 
user142019
It is uninitialized and cannot be used before you assign it.
 
user142019
This is also illegal:
 
5:07 PM
most data types I've seen in C# are null if uninitialized.
 
user142019
string x;
if (random() > 1) x = "foo";
Console.WriteLine(x); // compile-time error: x not initialized.
 
user142019
@Rapptz data-types are not null. But data members are null or 0 or 0.0 or equivalent by default.
 
user142019
A local variable in a method is not a data member.
 
user142019
public class Person {
    public string Name; // null by default
}
 
user142019
5:09 PM
public static void Main(string[] args) {
    string name; // not null by default
}
 
Ell
heh I remember that
 
user142019
Data members are null by default because it’s virtually impossible to check at compile-time whether it is initialized by the ctor or not.
 
user142019
It may even require solving the halting problem.
 
user142019
Unless you prevent this from being passed to a method in the ctor, in which case you could imply the same rules as you would for local variables.
 
user142019
But that would be very limiting and annoying.
 
5:12 PM
¬_¬ why no null by default though?
 
user142019
I have no idea. :P
 
user142019
Maybe because it can hide bugs that can otherwise be found at compile-time.
 
I guess...
 
Xeo
TIL external SSDs. Sweet.
 
now I'm trying to use my shiny boost::lockfree::queue<std::string*> with a thread, and I get....an access violation ._.
 
user142019
5:18 PM
@Xeo SATA-adaptor?
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg USB 3.0
 
user142019
Yes, SATA-to-USB? :P
 
Xeo
No idea.
 
user142019
There are adaptors in which you can put any SATA drive and connect it using USB.
 
the access violation is in boosts code ._.
 
Xeo
5:20 PM
@Zoidberg I don't think it's that.
 
user142019
 
user142019
Ohh just an external one with USB interface.
 
user142019
Also possible. :P
 
Xeo
Damn, I need a new external HDD, but I don't know which to get. :|
And maybe I should get multiple.
One for normal stuff, one for anime.
 
user142019
5:21 PM
One for porn, one for porn.
 
Xeo
I don't have any porn on my HDD.
 
user142019
Indeed; RAM disks are much faster.
 
Xeo
wut
 
user142019
But volatile, which sucks. :P
 
Xeo
Reminds me, I also need more RAM.
but my mainboard only has DDR2... which is fucking expensive compared to DDR3
IOW, I need a new PC.
 
Ell
5:23 PM
wait for ddr4 :D
 
user142019
Don’t buy a PC. It’s a waste of money.
 
user142019
General-purpose computers suck.
 
Xeo
lawl
 
user142019
Do one thing and do it well.
 
user142019
PCs do everything and everything always goes wrong.
 
Xeo
5:24 PM
@Zoidberg I didn't plan on buying a prebuilt-one, actually.
 
user142019
In the end you’ve still bought a PC, except you bought it in parts.
 
Xeo
Damn, where's @Mysticial when you need him.
@Zoidberg So, you trolling or are there any actual wise words in there? :P
 
user142019
Neither.
 
user142019
I’m just making a true statement.
 
Xeo
Ahja
 
Ell
5:26 PM
Zoidberg is a fool
 
user142019
Ell is also a fool
 
user142019
Haha GHB junks on TV.
 
user142019
Bad people.
 
@Xeo ?
 
Xeo
Perfect. :D
I need a new HDD, and now that I have the money, I plan to actually get one. I just need you as a reference for what's good. :3
 
5:31 PM
HD's aren't as interesting as CPUs. It's pretty much just pick the cheapest $/GB drive and you're set.
 
user142019
Build your own HDD.
 
Xeo
Shaddup, Lobster.
:3
 
rofl
 
Xeo
Wait, that thing's a GIF.
 
@Xeo get yourself a SSD man
 
Xeo
5:33 PM
cough
 
@Xeo thats what i was refering to >.>
 
user142019
@Xeo NO NO DON’T BIN IT
 
user142019
awwwhhhhhhhhhhhhh :(
 
user142019
Stupid Xeo. :(
 
Xeo
@bamboon Not for my external disk for Anime...
 
5:34 PM
@bamboon external SSD? what for? :/
 
user142019
 
user142019
Yummy.
 
@Xeo ah ok
@melak47 wat?
 
user142019
hello hungry man
 
@Xeo In terms of HDD I've always been well served by WD
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Yeah, I also got a WD Elements at home, but it seems that thing's slower than it has to be. Someone took it out of the case and connected it directly via SATA and it was 3 times as fast.
@EtiennedeMartel Don't do this, I'm hungry as fuck. :<
 
@Xeo which connector?
 
Well that's not surprising... Unless they were both usingUSB3.0, the SATA bandwidth is way higher
IIRC
 
Xeo
@bamboon No idea.
 
user142019
 
user142019
5:38 PM
@ScottW They have Internet in hell?!
 
Xeo
@Mysticial: I remember you saying something about 3TB / 4TB problems - what was that exactly?
 
user142019
@ScottW and apparently Lounge<C++>.
 
@Xeo booting from HDDs with more than 2TB is a problem on old motherboards
 
@Xeo Yeah, that's complicated. I'd say don't touch them for internal drives. But if you're buying an all-in-one external >2TB drive, you're fine.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Ah, okay.
 
5:42 PM
Don't even do internal + enclosure for >2TB drives.
Unless you know what you're doing.
 
Xeo
heh
Hm... I guess I should also get a USB3 card, huh.
 
The issue isn't in the USB, it's in the controller.
If the HD controller can't handle 3TB, you're screwed.
The controller can be either in the enclosure, of on the mobo.
 
Xeo
Wasn't talking about that, my PC only supports USB2.0 :s
 
Well... The speed issue is secondary to the 3TB issue.
 
Xeo
Well, if I got myself a USB 3.0 HDD, I'd like to take advantage of the higher speed. :)
 
5:55 PM
Get a mobo with eSATA and don't bother with USB at all
 
user142019
Thunderbolt ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
^that
 
You probably need a new one for 3TB drive anyway
 
@CatPlusPlus esata and 3TB is something you want to avoid.
Since you now depend on the esata controller on the mobo to be able to handle the 3TB drive.
 
New ones shouldn't have a problem
When in doubt, check the manual first
 
user142019
5:58 PM
27 mins ago, by Mysticial
HD's aren't as interesting as CPUs. It's pretty much just pick the cheapest $/GB drive and you're set.
 
(Also you want UEFI and GPT)
 
user142019
EFI OWNZ
 
Not all new mobos support 3TB drives.
Heck, my new laptop doesn't have gigabit. And that's even older than 3TB support.
 
Picking a solid HDD is way more important than delibrating on the CPU you freak
 

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