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2:00 PM
derp, 200 million, not 2 :P
 
As someone who regularly trips himself when counting, lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dun dun dun. Your life will never be the same
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my logic is right, the input values are well off :P
 
ok they had 100m users in Feb 2011
so your data is fucked :P
 
user142019
2:00 PM
There can't be 200000000 Dutch users.
 
Apr 13 '12 at 12:13, by sehe
Thou shalt not take my name in vain.
I'm the lord Seth, not Oop Seth, mind you
 
@Zoidberg who said there where?
 
lolwut
200M?
 
@sehe aha. You aren't fictional polar bear from the internet anymore. You are real!
 
user142019
@thecoshman nobody, why do you ask?
 
2:01 PM
@Ell No
 
Mar 28 '12 at 8:28, by sehe
Jan 12 at 15:24, by sehe
@SethCarnegie And welcome, name-twin
 
has anyone of you used c++check within jenkins?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I never said that.
 
@sehe Too late.
 
You don't know whether I am. I can make up a real name, just like you thought I made up the gravatar.
 
2:02 PM
@Ell As someone that speaks two Latin-based languages and can easily keep a conversation with someone using a third one, I can assure you that learning Latin is a waste of time if your goal is to learn Latin-based languages.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not entirely. Just, mostly :)
 
Ell
Okay
 
@Zoidberg ¬_¬ you are denying something no body claimed... perhaps you need to see a doctor?
 
Ell
But Latin is cool anyway
Modus operandi
 
It's dead and mostly useless
 
2:03 PM
@sehe sure. Then I'm actually hot blondie, and found my photo and name in archives
 
And just to be clear, Harry Potter spells are not Latin.
 
I'm going to make a new programming language so I can join the Ring of Death :D
 
@Zoidberg There could. If you count long-time inactive accounts from the deceased. And account for population growth
@BartekBanachewicz I knew it. That's why I'm always attracted to you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bullus shittus
 
@Xeo Oh wait, it's worse. Since he could not get the code to compile, he removed the ellipses from the SFINAE, i.e., broke it.
 
2:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or, at least, not proper spellings :)
 
Ell
Heh :L but Haskell is useless too. You still learn that. hides
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@sehe you just can't hide those things.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit forgot the 'r'
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes SFAILAE.
6
 
2:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz But you can cover them up
 
@BartekBanachewicz there's an 'r'? that's horrendous.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit expelliarmus.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like Rowling made a boo-boo
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit horrendus FTFY
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No. That's "creative".
 
2:05 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not the first one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice
@sehe many boo-boos are creative
 
Stop making me laugh
 
@sehe just can't help myself
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit honey boo-boo is creative
 
@Borgleader ji go dah
 
2:06 PM
damnit I can't type
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is that another one of those dragon spell things from Skyrim?
 
user142019
@sehe hmm xd
 
@Borgleader who knows?
 
user142019
A FUCKING GOOD POINT THAT IS.
 
user784668
@Borgleader I've heard they've added "What The Fuck" in Dragonborn.
 
user142019
Also my class parser works. \o/
 
user142019
2:07 PM
Ignoring the class body. xD
 
@Fanael rofl...
Whoever is not making a language is this chat... who am I kidding we all are
 
Oh, and changed EnableIf to be a void instead of an enabler, or even an int. No wonder this crap doesn't compile.
 
user784668
@Borgleader I'm not!
 
lol
 
@Borgleader I'm not, something about bad workman :P
 
2:08 PM
I'm not. Nor will I ever*
*(I think)
> "Ultimately, I am not afraid for Latin," says Foster. "Like other great human creations, like the music of Bach and Handel it will survive. But I am afraid for Latin in the Church."
 
user142019
Also it doesn't account for class declarations with the same class modifiers twice.
 
AFAIK it's only the shell fish and the mongrel
 
user142019
It's really a Haskell value from hell. gist.github.com/daknok/4770109
 
@Zoidberg Just document it as "UB" with no diagnostic
 
user142019
@sehe not UB according to spec.
 
user142019
2:09 PM
It is an error.
 
user142019
abstract abstract sealed sealed class Foo BOOM
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes: So, I read the post. Where was your usual argument that "possible candidates: 5000lines" is a fucking ugly side-effect of SFINAE if it comes to a hard error? You should've also included a version that static_asserts if Iterator is not bidirectional or better, methinks.
 
@Xeo Yeah, I realized that later (it's mentioned in a comment).
 
¬_¬ posiative discrimination get's on my tits
 
Xeo
And yeah, I see now what you mean with that guy. lol'd
 
user142019
2:12 PM
Lol I got 10/10 for the Java test.
 
user142019
What a terrible language.
 
you knew that all along
 
user142019
Oh cool.
 
user142019
I got N/A voor that test I didn't attend.
 
Why are you talking about test results? I thought you ragequit school because you were too smart for it.
 
user142019
2:20 PM
I WANT TO KILL MY FATHER
 
user784668
-1
Q: How many times am I going to forget to add the C++ std namespace to string?

Howard May... and then spend of the order of an hour cursing progressively loudly as I feebly attempt to identify this same issue again and again and again. Any ideas? I would really like to know

 
user784668
What.
 
@Zoidberg Good good, let the hate flow through you and your transforation to the dark side will be complete.
 
user142019
@Fanael Ultranoob.
 
@Zoidberg a bit spontaneous
 
user784668
2:21 PM
Who TF upvoted that?
 
haha reopen votes
 
user142019
@Fanael another ultranoob.
 
One more time.
WITH FEELING
 
@Luchian, I think get your meaning — Howard May 17 secs ago
wut
 
ITT: Luchian has meaning — sehe 9 secs ago
 
user784668
2:23 PM
@LuchianGrigore Reopen so that it can be closed again?
 
user142019
Downvote, close, delete and ban. PROBLEM SOLVED.
 
@Fanael lol
 
@Fanael oh, I already voted to reopen
 
user784668
@LuchianGrigore Why?
 
for fun :)
 
2:23 PM
@LuchianGrigore are you high?
 
If it gets deleted, he'll get the rep back
 
@thecoshman No. He stole your humor
 
user784668
One more reopen vote!
 
@Fanael no.
 
user784668
lol
 
2:24 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It was already done. Can't tame lame humor
 
user784668
Reopened and 4 close votes alrady.
 
@LuchianGrigore if it just stays closed, he will be forever loosing rep. his 2k will go over night
@LuchianGrigore edit whore
 
@thecoshman he deserves it
 
@thecoshman lol :)) how is that whoring?
(btw, I edited so I could see the revision history)
 
2:26 PM
 
user784668
Deleted.
 
@LuchianGrigore a pointless edit just to up your edit count
 
user784668
@thecoshman Hookers about edit count?
 
Don't undelete this shit jesus
 
I only ever got 2 rep from edits
 
2:27 PM
@Fanael Pirate doesn't get it, evidently
 
@sehe Where's that?
 
@CatPlusPlus oh you know they want to
@sehe apparently not
 
@CatPlusPlus stackoverflow.com/posts/14834627/timeline -- no longer accessible. I secured it
 
@sehe what do you mean you secured it?
 
2 mins ago, by sehe
user image
 
2:29 PM
ohai
 
afternoon
 
what's up?
 
a vector perpendicular to your ground plane
 
ahahaha
 
Ahahaha console window with MySQL client died
 
2:33 PM
¬_¬ come on now, that is basic maths
 
What a piece of shit
 
int r = running.load(std::memory_order_acquire);
r++;
running.store(r, std::memory_order_release);
//is this how you std::atomic<> ?
 
@CatPlusPlus it's MySQL, did you really expect anything else?
 
...
 
@melak47 from first looks, that looks like it.
 
2:36 PM
running.fetch_add(1)
 
I have no experience with std::atomic though
 
Xeo
What the cat says.
 
Also, don't use the arguments to load/store if you don't know what they mean
 
@CatPlusPlus :D
 
0
Q: Convert Centimeter to Meter in SQL

jk1844i have a field in named Height in Centimeters. i need to convert it to meters using the sql statement. is there a way to do this? please help!

~SQL~
 
2:38 PM
meh
 
@BartekBanachewicz WTF
> SELECT CAST(23 AS DECIMAL(18,2)) / 100
Naturally
 
@Xeo coolitude
 
Xeo
The integral atomic types were specifically made to be usable like non-atomic ones, for the most part, IIRC.
 
2:41 PM
BTW I really like http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/atomic/atomic/operator_arith
Basically the reference part of the specs, but more readable and somewhat hyperlinked
 
Xeo
cppreference annotation for noexcept sucks, though. :|
 
> I am happy to say that your new Silent PC has been built, tested and packaged up. We will be despatching it this afternoon for delivery by our courier UPS and you will receive the tracking number in a separate email later this afternoon.
 
> Completed 500 Internal Server Error in 61042ms
Rails <3
 
@CatPlusPlus Loving the significant digits
 
0
Q: parallel_for is working wrong

user2055437I am using Parallel Pattern Library ( PPL ) and I have wrong store problem. In the below code, array3 and array4 shows different values in every work. I couldn't find the problem, please help me thank you parallel_for ( 0, k, [ & ]( int i ) { int v1 = array1[ i ]; for ( int y = 0; y <=...

 
user784668
2:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus Still faster than PHP.
 
> shows different values in every work.
 
@BartekBanachewicz presumably, in his her native 'to run (something)' is similar to 'to work (something)'
 
@sehe That would explain it didn't work. I mean, run. Umm...
 
I can understand broken English (learn English before posting jesus) but not that fucking code formatting
 
> I need to play sound, which i getting from network. I need to play this sound.
He's really desperate.
 
2:49 PM
Having linear access to memory isn't the big deal. Having linear access to ~80 Million Petabytes is going to prove more of a challenge... — sehe 14 secs ago
@BartekBanachewicz Some people just don't hear what they blabber
 
@sehe wat.
these are "float point operations"
 
Read the question. It's by the same person with the "wrong work PPL"
 
you don't need linear memory becasue it floats
 
@BartekBanachewicz See, I was being mild :)
 
@sehe chickenonaraft.com that floats too. My brain is turning into cherry pudding from reading those questions
 
2:52 PM
How many bits is a float? 64 bits? So only 64*80 petabytes :)
 
user784668
@sehe 32 in a float, 64 in a double, as per IEEE 754.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Floats are defined by IEEE754
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Absolutely.
 
fucking RDP is terribad
 
2:53 PM
And platforms that don't use IEEE754 are not platforms we care about
 
user784668
@sehe Bah, ~80 ZB is one average-sized HDD. You live in the 21st century or what?
 
@Fanael Still... You'd not be asking that question if you were to somehow run on supercomputer that could actually map a view of that disk into memory :)
 
what the fuck
5
Q: Is it now wrong to "return" from a "switch" statement in C++11?

user2065121Using VS2012, I noticed that a switch that's been working for several years now seems to be broken in Release builds but works correctly (or at least as it used to) in Debug builds. I can't see anything at all wrong with the code so would appreciate some feedback on the correctness of using retur...

the point is, it doesn't work for me too. Optimizations break this code.
 
user784668
lol@zfs
 
@Fanael Why? I use ZFS
 
user784668
2:57 PM
It won't even support these 80 ZB HDDs.
 
Terribad
 
user784668
It limits the volume size to measly 16 EB.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Gawd how I hate that _tmain crap.
 
> 16 exabytes (264 bytes) — Maximum size of a single file
 
C++ will never make it an error to return from a switch case. That would break like 80% of all software ever written. — meagar 44 secs ago
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
 
2:58 PM
@Xeo that's not the point. This code actually doesn't work in release.
 
is formatting code considered valid edits? I know it gets accepted as such, but it is supposed to be?
 
@sehe "16 exabytes (264 bytes)" ...wat?
 
user784668
@melak47 2**64
 
@Fanael I don't follow..?
 
user784668
@sehe fsck zfs
 
Xeo
3:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Debugger tells me GetFloat return 3.0 atleast, so something after that borks it up.
 
@Xeo the variable is removed
 
Xeo
Yeah, 64bit build works fine
 
@Fanael Doesn't exist. ZFS has online integrity checks and redundancy. On this scale, nothing else could work (hell, even on a small scale, fsck is a bad scheme)
 
Xeo
sehe, there's no macro involved.
 
3:06 PM
can you provide a disassembly of the release build? I am sure that your use of return is standard conform. It must be a bug on the compiler side. — example 54 secs ago
100% standard conform
 
Xeo
A 64bit build has the expected result, the optimizer is screwing something up. Going from /O2 to /O1 gives correct results again on 32bit, so yeah, bug. — Xeo 1 min ago
 
Lemme check registers
 
Xeo
Case is already closed for me.
 
user784668
WORKSFORME
 
well, bug.
 
user784668
3:12 PM
GetFloat() - entered
GetFloat() - case 3 entered
fValue = 3.000000
 
user784668
Yes, a release build. Yes, VS 2012.
 
@Fanael 32 bit?
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
 
Anyway, I am not touching VS compiler with a 10 foot pole
ICC at least gives correct code.
 
Hi
 
Xeo
3:15 PM
@Fanael CPU?
 
Quick poll : is it "normal" to have the software engineers performing the manual test plans during weeks instead of hiring testers for that purpose ?
 
user784668
@Xeo Huh?
 
Xeo
@Fanael What's your CPU?
 
@Xeo you for real?
 
user784668
@Xeo WTF should it matter? I thought you guys think it's a compiler bug, not a CPU bug.
 
Xeo
3:18 PM
@Fanael If you say for Release/32bit it's working correctly, and for me it's not, then we need to work out what is different between our systems, no?
 
Do you have CTP?
 
Also, I just hit 4k
 
Xeo
Nope
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Nope.
 
@CatPlusPlus nope.
 
user784668
3:22 PM
Ah, that's because /arch:SSE fixes it.
 
user784668
And so does /arch:IA32.
 
hem hem
@ScottW thanks
 
power cut, can't login to work
 
@BartekBanachewicz From personal experience, ICC's optimizer can break some code too. Not sure about the current version, but certainly in some versions (and I'd guess the current version probably can too). The simple fact is that some optimizations (e.g., assuming no aliasing) are useful enough that most compilers include them, even though they can/will break some legal code.
 
@JerryCoffin That's why you test. I've heard only good things about icc13 so far. And it's working flawlessly for me.
 
3:27 PM
Tests are for sissies.
 
Xeo
And if we could test every possible test there might be, the world would be a better place~
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin ICC assumes no aliasing? What, they can't tell apart FORTRAN and C++?
 
No self-respecting compiler wants to compile your crappy code, so they just make up a faster program instead.
 
FYI Intel C++ 13 (which is thankfully the compiler I use with VS!) does not exhibit this bug either — Josh Greifer 2 mins ago
wow, the guy worked for Steinberg
 
@Fanael Yes and no -- it has (or at least used to) optimizations you can enable that will break if there's aliasing present.
 
3:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's stone mountain in German.
 
user784668
The robot knows German?
 
Xeo
The robot lives in Germany now
 
@BartekBanachewicz Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to say anything bad about icc. Other than slow compile times, I thought it was great. Nonetheless, trying to treat it as the panacea for all the ills of all compilation is a bit of a stretch.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ich mag die Berge. Das ist Musiksoftware Gesellschaft.
 
Ell
Bergschrund
 
3:34 PM
We should change lounge language to german!
Or have german hour each day, or german day each week
 
ICC costs money
It's not worth it
 
@JerryCoffin It's faster than msvs compiler for me, at least for debug builds.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's how you can tell it's better! ;)
 
@CatPlusPlus hahaha. haha.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin So there's a flag like /this-optimization-is-evil-and-will-break-all-stuff? Okay then, only yourself to blame if you're dumb enough to enable it without thinking. GCC has flags like that, too.
 
3:35 PM
cat logic: costs money = not worth having.
 
It's 1000$ for a fucking compiler
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus You can have infinitely many GCCs for $0!
 
@Fanael how many can I have for $10 then?
 
maybe it's an extremely good compiler :P
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion It's not. It still lacks behind GCC and Clang in terms of language support.
 
3:37 PM
ermagherd
so Cat++ may have had a point.
 
user784668
@jalf Zero. GCC sucks, why would you need one?
 
@TonyTheLion It produces the fastest binaries atm. cc @Fanael
 
how do these people even sell their product?
 
look up.
 
3:38 PM
@Fanael At least if memory serves, some of those are included in -O<max>, just like they are in VC++'s -O<max> (where <max> is 2 for VC++ and (if memory serves) 3 for ICC. The point isn't that it's bad to include such things, only that it's exactly what seems to have been enabled here. The bad thing (if there is one) is that VS enables some of those by default for its "release" build.
 
VS Pro the IDE costs 600
ICC the fucking compiler costs 1000
 
@CatPlusPlus ohnoesohnoes
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Prove it for all possible programs or your claim is invalid.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's not only compiler. It's also profiler, analyzer, all kinds of shit
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin So like GCC's -Ofast.
 
3:39 PM
Does it still produce gimped code for AMD CPUs? :lol:
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, VS IDE has those too
 
@Fanael Give or take a little, yes.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't know if my fridge cares for its speed.
 
@CatPlusPlus They promised that they'd no longer intentionally cripple AMD performance. :)
 
3:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus These are different. Icc ones have more features. It's like saying "VS has an editor? oh yeah, i have notepad, right?"
@jalf Now it's boosting itself on intel cpus instead. oh wait
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, that's pretty much how it's supposed to work. If they detect an Intel CPU, go ahead and optimize for that. And fall back to generic code path if not. But what they used to do was fall back to a special codepath engineered specifically to be slow. They ended up paying AMD a lot of money for a settlement on that
 
Ell
Rapid Environment Editor is awesome :3
 
@BartekBanachewicz So which features does it have that VS doesn't? ;)
 
@jalf I skimmed through this case. Yea, i know there was some bad stuff involved.
@jalf Multithreading Advisor
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz valgrind
 
3:42 PM
@Fanael linux only. gtfo
 
^ this
 
There are also various kinds of libraries supplied with it. Math/Performance stuffs, mostly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz IPP and such?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have vim, which is free and has more features than VS so your point is invalid
 
Those are available for us with other compilers as well though :)
 
3:43 PM
@Fanael heh
 
@CatPlusPlus more features my ass.
 
More features than you can imagine
VS editor is a horrible piece of shit
 
OH WOW I CAN HAS TWO CODE WINDOWS
 
@CatPlusPlus Speak for yourself. I like it.
 
3:44 PM
Have you even used a real editor
 
Anyway, ICC is generally considered to generate the fastest binaries, yes. And if that is worth $1000 to you, I don't see a problem with that. To a lot of people, it isn't worth that price, and again, I see no problem with that. I'm pretty sure there's room for more than one compiler in this world
 
Xeo
The editor, or the rest of the IDE? :)
 
hm, so, apparently I can't push a std::string into a boost::lockfree::queue<std::string>, because std::string doesn't boost::has_trivial_assign<T>::value` ....:/
 
@jalf Well, I have it for free, so...
 
@BartekBanachewicz So your argument essentially boils down to "everyone who's not willing to pay $1000 for the compile that I'm getting for free are idiots"
 
3:45 PM
(I wouldn't buy VS either)
 
@CatPlusPlus I use vim on linux, which isn't that rare actually. I'm not saying it's bad.
 
Xeo
@melak47 Well d'uh, it's non-trivial to assign.
 
@Xeo yeah, so, what do I do now? I kind of wanted strings :/
 
Xeo
T* :D
 
@jalf No, I'm just saying that sentence "paying $1k for nothing" is bullshit.
 
3:46 PM
@Xeo please, no D:
 
Paying 1k$ for C++ compiler~
 
@CatPlusPlus it's not only compiler, we've already noticed that.
 
12 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@CatPlusPlus hahaha. haha.
 
For a C++ compiler~
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes and no -- you can get it packaged with VTune and such or not as you see fit. Intel C++ Studio XE includes VTune, Inspector and Advisor; Intel C++ Composer includes the compiler and Intel's parallel libraries (TBB, IBB, MKL), but essentially nothing else.
 
3:47 PM
So it generates 1% faster binary
 
@jalf oh, I was just trying to poke the cat.
 
I'm all :swoon:
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why don't we try honesty? You were making a show of ridiculing people for pointing out that the compiler costs money
 
Also what Jerry said, and it's Composer that costs 1000$
Studio costs 2000 or something
 
@JerryCoffin hm, weird. I have Studio XE, so I didn't really look at the differences. I thought I have the smaller version.
 
3:48 PM
1600
 
@CatPlusPlus 1%, 20%, whatever
 
And it doesn't even have the Fortran compiler
!
Or ~
whatever
 
@Xeo does it have to be that? :/
 
Xeo
@melak47 No idea.
 
@CatPlusPlus Now you're just trolling
 
3:49 PM
@Borgleader No, seriously
 
Xeo
But if it requires trivial assign, then that's really the only way for a non-trivial class I think.
 
Fortran compiler costs 700 more
 
Who cares about Fortran these days?
 
@jalf I don't really see the point in that "not free, let's hate it". ICC has some features that free stuff or VS lacks. That's all. I am not forcing anybody to buy it. It's just their use cases aren't the only.
@Borgleader faster than C
 
Scientific community uses Fortran
 
3:50 PM
o.o
 
@Borgleader those who care about performance of numerical code
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I could be remembering the names wrong, but the point stands -- you can get is pretty much by itself, or with all sorts of extra tools (but, of course, if you want extra tools you pay more).
 
user784668
12 mins ago, by Fanael
@BartekBanachewicz Prove it for all possible programs or your claim is invalid.
 
Fortran is a pretty big deal if you want to advertise that you have a fast compiler
 
@Fanael now, really, what you are trying to say?
 
Xeo
 
That forall p. icc_code_speed(p) = max is false
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz ^
 
I am not going to argue. I don't know.
It works for me nicely, and that's all I need.
 
@jalf Most of the standard benchmarks used in scientific computing are also written Fortran. For Intel, a faster Fortran compiler is as much a way to sell processors as an end in itself.
 
There's a trial version if you want to give it a ride. Oh, and Linux version is free-noncommercial I believe // cc @Fanael
 
Ell
3:54 PM
Does anyone here have experience with django?
 
user142019
Yes.
 
user142019
I have used it until I had to do a migration.
 
Ell
If wanted to create a homepage, how do I create a view for that?
atm I'm under the impression a view must have an associated model, but that doesn't seem right o.O
 
user142019
 
3:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus There are undoubtedly a few exceptions -- but there's equally little doubt that they are pretty rare.
 
@Ell no, of course not. There are simple generic views rendering one page.
 
user142019
@Ell route that just renders the view and does nothing else?
 
@Ell Read the tutorials. The documentation is quite good.
 
3:59 PM
> But test() returns its value on the FP stack, not in xmm0. This is a bug in the code which creates a custom calling convention on x86. We will fix this in a future release. I am closing this MSConnect item, please re-activate it if you have any more questions.
^ similar bug
 

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