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10:04 PM
@ScottW Hm?
 
#include <hi.h>
 
@ScottW Don't forget the WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN.
 
user142019
Windows API should be in Haskell.
 
user142019
And Cocoa too.
 
@Zoidberg Sure, but that would means nobody could get anything meaningful done.
 
10:07 PM
is someone here using Google test framework?
 
user142019
So, less bad software.
 
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lol
 
@Zoidberg Fewer problems being solved. That's a net loss.
 
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@ScottW Doesn't it have include guards/#pragma once? :|
 
@nicolagenesin No. If you want a non schizophrenic test framework, there's Catch.
 
Ell
10:08 PM
hi
 
user142019
@ScottW decent compilers recognize them so it doesn’t matter.
 
@EtiennedeMartel is it for unit and system testing?
 
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@Ell ih
 
@nicolagenesin For unit testing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel and smth for system testing?
 
user142019
10:09 PM
By train.
 
@nicolagenesin Wut?
 
@ScottW ?ouy ,dooG
 
@Zoidberg Choo choo!
 
@ScottW P: siht ekil gniklat pots dluohs eW
Haha :P
 
user142019
10:12 PM
Hey this isn’t >++C<egnuoL talk normal.
 
I'm trying not do die from some cold/flu, general Haskell/C++ moaning and Zoidberg is trying to avoid his anti-self.
 
@Zoid technically that should be >++C<egnuoL :P
 
@nicolagenesin I never really understood the need for automated system testing.
 
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@Doorknob I fixed it before I read your message.
 
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@ScottW nah.
 
10:13 PM
oh, ok. :P
 
my professor said that we MUST use them
not a choice
 
Lol
 
@nicolagenesin Oh dear. I hope this professor knows that in the real world, compromise is key.
 
i don't think so
 
Ovenight regression tests. Soak-testing to surface complex system bugs. Lots.
 
10:14 PM
Dead MG's answer to that guy about his managers code is so harsh.
 
user142019
I plonked that guy.
 
user142019
Don’t even know why anymore.
 
he's famous internationally
 
@nicolagenesin In what?
 
software engineering
 
10:15 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Being intolerable, of course.
 
@Zoid who?
 
I mean, Linus Torvalds is quite famous, but his opinion is shit when it comes to C++.
 
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@Doorknob nicola
 
And "software engineering" doesn't mean jack shit.
 
oh
 
user142019
10:15 PM
Ah wait I know again.
 
user142019
Unplonked oh well.
 
i am not defending him,i m trying to figure out how dynamic system testing works
 
user142019
Can always replonk. :P
 
hy just one question, first time i see "|" between two parameters, what it's stand for?
http://pokit.org/get/?03546e3ef41626dba7d7c3032e1fb1a0.jpg
 
Software engineering is part good advice and part circlejerking about UML and shit
 
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10:16 PM
@Srle bitwise or.
 
What I do sorta seems like software engineering to me.
 
ah yes, shame on me :D
 
@CatPlusPlus I would say it used to be quite good, and then consultants got hold of it.
 
thanks.
 
Software engineering <> UML!
 
10:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus could be,but i have to solve this problem and find a good framework
 
user142019
UML is bad and its user base should feel bad.
 
swe is not only uml,cmon
 
Software engineering is the lot. Specification, design, development, testing, debugging, delivery, maintenance. Fuck UML.
 
@Zoidberg you say that a lot, extensive use of uml for planning and upfront design is probably not very good compared to writing code. But drawing a few boxes on a whiteboard of paper to explain an idea is good use imo
 
someone uses jenkins?
 
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10:19 PM
@JohanLarsson doesn’t have to be UML.
 
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UML is ridiculous.
 
Writing code is easy compared with the rest.
 
@JohanLarsson yes,better having a good schema before starting.
@MartinJames if there is good software engineering writing code shold be so easy that a monkey could write it
this is the logic under software engineering
 
@Zoidberg I don't know much uml other than the very little I have not forgotten from reading some book. I draw boxes at times and refer to it as uml
 
Defining efficient data is much more difficult than writing code. Code fucking trivial.
 
10:24 PM
@MartinJames have u ever used Jenkins\Hudson?
 
hmm
I figured out how to implement C++ member functions as Wide code, and also possibly some other Wide-C++ interop.
 
Y U NO OPENSOURCE?
:D
Seriously, though, is it ever going to be open source?
 
@DeadMG Oh. Why didn't you tell me :)
 
10:32 PM
lol
 
That is way cool. Mind if I have a browse?
 
@sehe He desperately needs the money.
 
user142019
Yes he makes it open-source and minds if you browse it.
 
Nobody appreciates a joke. Or British politeness for that matter
 
or the fact the link did not go unnoticed
 
10:38 PM
lol
 
user142019
wat
 
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Once again I'm confused.
 
Over what, zoid?
 
Ell
If wide is easy to interop with any language, maybe people will start using it for wrappers
 
I am not touching VS compiler with a 10 foot stick from now on. — Bartek Banachewicz 7 hours ago
^ that doesn't seem entirely fair, IMO
It's not as if clang or gcc don't have similar bugs.. The main difference is merely the fact that the code for clang/gcc is up for review. And for independent fixing
 
10:45 PM
VS is a paid product, Clang and GCC are free. Typically speaking (you're free to disagree) people expect products they pay for with money to work properly.
 
@sehe Good luck actually doing so.
 
@Rapptz This.
 
@Rapptz Define "properly".
 
@Rapptz VS includes quite a bit more than just a compiler. Clang and GCC don't really.
 
I can fix GCC or patch an ABI distro to work on my calculator.
I can't fix MSVC.
 
10:47 PM
i love you, random-downvotes-that-make-no-sense-whatsoever
 
@ThePhD Really? I mean, would you really want to dig in GCC and fix the issue?
 
@EtiennedeMartel "standard compliant" for one. I'm not going to say bug free because that is such a long shot and quite impossible too.
 
@TonyTheLion I see that still works. Good.
 
@Rapptz MSVC is mostly standard compliant. The C++03 standard, but still.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, but I still have the ability to if I need to make a hail-mary.
 
10:48 PM
@NolwennLeGuen Ok, upvoted that answer for you :P
 
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@Zoidberg Fucking hell, I stumbled on exactly that image yesterday and I was saving it for the appropriate time. Thank you for ruining it.
 
@Doorknob How... did you know it was that one?
 
@NolwennLeGuen Maybe he was running the downvote ring all along!
 
@DeadMG Yeah like a good debugger for one.. stupid GDB.
 
10:49 PM
@Nol I looked in your reputation history :P
 
@Rapptz Yeah... I don't use VS for their stellar C++ compiler quality
 
I do it because the other compilers offer a shit Windows experience in general
 
I use it mainly for the debugger
 
@NolwennLeGuen :)
 
10:50 PM
@Doorknob Cheers then! :)
 
:)
 
VS Debugger for the win.
 
@ThePhD And you probably won't. It's the same reason why the "If you really need it you can always fix it" answer to a bug report in an open source lib is such bullshit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well I've done it a few times in select cases. Otherwise, I just mentally note the library writers / implementers suck (if they give that kind of answer, which they did when I was looking for answers on long long division crashes from the code I compiled in the ABI). On the whole, though, if someone demands I pay oodles and oodles of dollars for their compiler suite, I expect the core thing - the compiler - to be out of this world. Or at least fairly caught up or something or other..
 
I'm gonna pick one of you and troll the shit out of you
But who
 
10:54 PM
@NolwennLeGuen You can try with me, but it probably won't end well.
 
this won't end well
 
user142019
it will
 
@ThePhD To be fair, when you pay for VS, you also get .NET tools.
 
you have no sense of humor whatsoever (not to mention that you are a) boring 2) canadian and III) a drunk ass), so yeah, i'll pick someone else
 
@NolwennLeGuen Sounds like a cop out.
 
10:56 PM
Mmm...
Well, hopefully they beef up their compiler soon.
 
you just made me google this idiom
 
@EtiennedeMartel So you get not one but several broken tools!
 
@NolwennLeGuen Me. Obviously
 
@ThePhD heh. beef up you say? in the UK they'll horse it up! heh
 
The best deal ever
 
10:56 PM
the vim user is here
 
@CatPlusPlus The C# compiler works very well.
 
btw
 
But you probably knew that, you dumb troll.
 
the Clang source code would totally be the winner of Random Standards Quotes
 
10:57 PM
@NolwennLeGuen 3/10.
 
practically every ten lines of source is annotated with a Standard quote.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What a terrible sight you have
 
a pity they don't annotate it with anything else
 
what did you expect
twilight extracts?
 
@DeadMG I'm only talking about the compiler though
 
11:00 PM
We should write a game
 
Does anyone know why every thread has a kernel stack?
Please don't make me formally ask this
 
@CatPlusPlus Don't say that! Because then you might disappear without a trace!
@Alex What?
 
@Alex The accurate answer to your question is "yes". Please don't make me formally answer this.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nothing, just asking...
@NolwennLeGuen Funny
 
I'd even say hilarious
 
11:02 PM
Domagoj was just shocked at how hilariously incompetent we are as a team
 
@Alex for the same reason you have a stack in userland on each thread
 
That thing is still alive?
 
@CatPlusPlus he was here?
 
@TonyTheLion yes, though, why would the kernel need that per thread, doesn't it have its own separate stack?
 
No, he just posts on SO sometimes
 
11:03 PM
Really
 
@Alex where do you suppose that stack of yours would be?
and what would it's function be?
 
@TonyTheLion if I were sure, i'd not even ask
 
a thread is the basic structure in which execution of code can take place
a stack is place to store local variables and keep track of the function call tree
 
user142019
Every monad is an applicative functor, right?
 
it's only useful place is with the thread
 
11:05 PM
In theory
 
user142019
Aight. :3
 
Well, a functor at least
I don't know about applicatives
But probably
 
user142019
pure = return
 
@TonyTheLion isn't the kernel itself threaded and uses its own thread stack
or does it use the thread stack that made the call to it
 
@Alex I think you're confused.
 
11:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus :3c
So you want to write a game.
 
@Alex I'm not entirely sure what you're asking?
@ThePhD we've been down that road...
 
@TonyTheLion i think you're right
 
it's horrendously hopeless
 
I think it's full of hope.
And happiness.
 
Ell
11:13 PM
Ahh the horse murderer Is here!
;)
 
user142019
I’m the best programmer.
 
Ell
I wanted to write my game with the 3d system completely decoupled
but I dont Know if that's feasible
 
What do you mean?
 
Ell
Basically so I can write my game first then plug in 3d graphics
 
user142019
All your base are base 10.
 
11:16 PM
That's easy.
 
Ell
I guess so I could have either a 3d front end or a 2d front-end
 
The problem is...
YOu'd never know if your game was working,
because you'd never be able to see your game. :3d
 
Ell
Exactly :3
 
Unless it was a puzzle game or something where you could easily and tangible understand the rules based on a collection of std::cout statements.
 
@Zoidberg Only if we define the glyphs 1 and 0 to mean "one" and "zero"
 
11:19 PM
But seerioousslly, why don't you all join us in the Kyrostat fun? D:
 
user142019
@NolwennLeGuen we do.
 
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*~
 
@Zoidberg We happen to
 
Ell
Cos I don't want ti write that game
 
@ThePhD Kyrostat? Never heard of it..
 
11:19 PM
=[
 
Ell
I want to clone an existing game :P
Which would be easier
 
@Ell That's awfully boring.
@StackedCrooked =[ All my tears ;~;
 
Ell
I just can't do 3d graphics for suit
I can't write shaders or anything
I need to learn.
I just want a terrain that looks good at all levels of zoom!
 
GAH, why can't I create a file with this name ;_;
	std::wstring test = L"から、福寿草";
	wofstream file(test + L".jpg");
wait, whut. I actually can. but explorer can't do the stupid characters
 
Explorer should be able to handle those characters just fine.
 
user142019
11:24 PM
 
the stupid file names have been intact all this time >_>
 
Ell
Pfft
 
user142019
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A: Objective C: Modulo bias

ZoidbergUse arc4random_uniform(x). This does it for you. According to the man page: arc4random_uniform() will return a uniformly distributed random number less than upper_bound. arc4random_uniform() is recommended over con- structions like ``arc4random() % upper_bound'' as it avoids "modulo bias" whe...

 
It may be that you're missing a language pack or two.
 
user142019
OP Y U NO ACCEPT SUPERIOR ANSWER
 
11:25 PM
@Zoidberg Because manpage copypaste is lame.
And only C++ nerds accept it.
 
user142019
/care
 
You should stop hanging out around us. We're negatively influencing your ability to answer questions with other languages. :P
 
damn
 
user142019
sup
 
11:26 PM
I really hate limited-line services like Pastebin
 
user142019
Try Gist.
 
I have a 1080p screen and when passing arguments to functions which take like 8 parameters, it uses a lot of that space.
 
@ThePhD well, it can handle them. I can copy them from there and paste them here. but it can't display them
@ThePhD I need language packs to be able to use these characters? I thought the language packs were for windows UI translations and crap :/
 
Ell
11:49 PM
I want a 2k monitor
 
@Ell do you mean 4k? :/
 
Ell
Probably
The one people are raving about :3
 
hmm
 
4k what
 
4k is probably nice but there's a diminishing return on increased pixels count/density
 
11:55 PM
when converting from signed to unsigned, do you perform a sign-extended conversion or a zero-extended conversion?
 
Zero-extended if you're changing both signedness and size I guess
@ThePhD Yeah, but nothing 3D for sure :v
 
hm
 
Ell
I just want a higher res than 1080
I don't see why its been capped at that affordably for so long
 
LLVM doesn't appear to mention whether a type is unsigned or not.
 
'ello peples again
Anyone want to help me teach troll how to use perl variabls?
 
11:59 PM
no
plonk troll, nub
 

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