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1:00 PM
int epoch = 0; :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz a "legal" feature. yup, we have those
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Wait, remap what to what?
 
std::chrono::system_clock::time_point epoch;
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
FWIW, I tend to compute in op++ and op* is a one-liner.
 
@LucDanton re-map?
 
1:01 PM
I dunno how you use boost::iterator_facade with that.
 
Well, I mean, I compute on increment() and dereference() is the one-liner. I honestly thought that was obvious.
 
Oh I think I misread. Let me reparse.
 
@sehe hmm? do you mean that "legal" and "feature" don't fit together?
 
Xeo
compute in increment() and dereference() just returns stuff
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm wondering what they are
 
1:02 PM
Ah yes, I've done that with one of my iterators for the channel stuff.
 
It's often the most natural form.
 
@sehe vec3(float, bool, int) constructor for example (vecx is internally float)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes meet GLSL
 
Do you store the result in an optional, so you can construct an end iterator?
 
Xeo
1:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I need an emote for when I want to say something, but am just too stumped to actually make any sound.
 
@LucDanton Depends. On ogonek I work mostly with PODs and scalars and so on, so I don't really care and just stick a bool.
 
@Xeo > If the basic type (bool, int, or float) of a parameter to a constructor does not match the basic type of the object being constructed, the scalar construction rules (above) are used to convert the parameters.
 
I know I store the result in one of the channel end in my other situation because it's required that the value computed is movable but not copyable. So I can't put it in an iterator.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Obviously you should specialize your optional for those :p Do you actually have an optional?
 
Wrote one once for playing around. Never committed.
Actually, working with PODs is kinda awesome. I know my small_vector implementation is not exception-safe for non-PODs, but screw it, I have a static assertion.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You have an optional implementation of optional, in a STM transaction?
 
1:06 PM
:P
 
k. I think I'm ending up in the very obvious situation where the iterator holds a base iterator, an optional functor and an optional view (i.e. the successive results of calling the functor on the successive base iterators). Dumb but should work, as usual.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 "C rocks"
@LucDanton Sounds as a little bit too much responsibility for one iterator adaptor? Couldn't you wrap any input iterator to make it multi-pass? (Make it independent of the transformation?) Or am I getting it wrong?
 
@sehe Only way to turn an input iterator into multi-pass is to materialise the sequence.
 
Mmm. Perhaps you insist on making the transformation lazy as well. In that case... You'd actually want to abstract lazy_transformed?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got the impression that is precisely what he described: "and an optional view (i.e. the successive results of calling the functor on the successive base iterators)"
 
Calling the functor yields a range. We iterate over that as well.
 
1:16 PM
@LucDanton Ah, that way. Still the 'flattening' thing. I thought we had left that behind
 
I love clang's diagnostics, but in this case I don't think they help. Especially beginners will get a false sense of security ("the compiler will tell me when I'm accessing out of bounds!") when in all but the trivial cases the compiler has no way of finding out! — us2012 1 min ago
 
Xeo
You didn't fix the link?
 
@Xeo Really? Works here. LWS sucks.
 
Xeo
The link doesn't seem to save the actual compiler.
 
Don't tell me it stores the compiler info locally. Sigh.
 
1:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus your OpenGL wrapper library you where working on, what was the minimum version it required?
 
Xeo
Clicking "Fork" resets the compiler, anyways.
 
Anyway, I had written an answer with "Why would compiler writers spend time designing, writing, testing, and maintaining code for a feature that no one will ever use?", and then I realized that some compiler writers did indeed spend that. :|
 
Xeo
Clang is just too idiot friendly.
 
Oh boy. I think any iterator needs to hold as much information as the whole range would do.
Deja vu.
 
Xeo
ahaha
 
1:22 PM
Sigh. Haven't you learned anything from my ranting here?
 
I know those pain points, it's just that I don't expect to hit them all for the same iterator.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes A bug list (?)
 
Hmm, I just get two new toys (read as two tablets). funky.
 
Xeo
I want a tablet. :(
 
@LucDanton Oh you should. They tend to come together.
 
1:24 PM
@Xeo Please don't buy anything else than iPad. These two I have now suck so much compared to it...
 
Non-trivial iterator? Pretty sure it has the full set of rant-worthy nuissances.
 
I managed my way around that for the zip iterator :(
 
I had two paracetamol this morning. The joint/muscle pains are coming back now :(
 
@MartinJames Have you had the flu this season?
 
No :(
 
1:25 PM
@LucDanton Anyway, do go on while I enjoy some Schadenfreude.
 
wtf
 
.. or maybe 'pending' :(
 
@MartinJames Best of luck!
 
I feel like I've been pissed for a week and just sobering up. I only drank half a pint last night - felt sick..
 
is any one running linux and remotely interested in helping with kyrostat stuff? Looking for some else to build and run what there is so far. I want to see if the error I get is because of my hardware or the code itself
 
1:27 PM
I'll carry on taking the tablets and pray it's only a cold.
 
I can build, but no X.
 
@MartinJames Ibuprofen will be beter
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz iOS sucks, though
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it builds just fine, it's run time where problems lie
 
I haven't got any. I don't feel much like going out or driving.
 
1:28 PM
@MartinJames 999?
 
@Xeo why? I find it superior to android in nearly everything.
 
@thecoshman Oh well, no help from me. :P
 
@thecoshman Is that really appropriate?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes robot Y U NO RUN?
@LucDanton no :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz because it looks so 2005
 
1:29 PM
I only call the emergency services if I get more than 999 linker errors.
 
@thecoshman No X. I only have access to headless Linuces.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, I thought you meant no X as in no executing :P
I some how think testing it on a work server would be pushing it :P
 
I mean, I could set up xvnc or something, but too much trouble for not-me's benefit.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Eh, no free filesystem access, no Flash, no PDFs, restricted video and audio formats... (if iPad has the same restrictions as iPod Touch).
 
@bamboon It's very minimalistic; looks of OS also aren't very important for me. I spent most of the time in an app, not in "OS" itself
 
1:31 PM
@Xeo No PDFs?
 
Xeo
(And yes, I know, jailbreaking etc)
 
@Xeo everything you said is false. Except for flash, which is half-true, but who the hell uses Flash
 
I know for a fact PDFs work just fine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes at some stage, I might get past windowing library stuff and be able to move onto a game that could actually make use of your unicode magik :P
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I remember having trouble with that on my old iPod Touch
 
1:31 PM
@Xeo old
You know what old androids had problems with?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, so I can freely do what I want with the filesystem?
 
Everything.
 
@Xeo My boss says that the iOS PDF library is quite good (for qualification he is on the standardization committee or something).
 
@Xeo jailbroken - sure. I have gcc installed
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz sigh
1 min ago, by Xeo
(And yes, I know, jailbreaking etc)
 
1:32 PM
chat stopped scrolling again grr
 
Xeo
And now tell me again iOS doesn't suck donkey cock by default.
 
@Xeo well if you know, then why are you whining so much about it? Android without root is as useless in that matter.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I also never said I have to use Android.
 
@Xeo It doesn't. If you aren't a power user, you don't need direct fs access. If you are, you do jailbreak. What's the fuss about?
 
you can use Windows Phone! :p
 
1:33 PM
@Xeo That'll make Martinho happy. He doesn't like to be used any more than anyone else would.
 
@melak47 you don't run linux do you?
 
@melak47 WP8 is better than all
 
How do you know I'm an android?
 
Xeo
I was rather thinking Win8, since I want to actually access my PC remotely from the tablet inside my home.
 
I run Linux. I am in charge of Linux. I am the Linux king.
 
1:34 PM
@thecoshman I'm sure Zune works on linux....right
 
Oh wait, my avatar shows my arms.
Dammit.
 
@Xeo TeamViewer? Or do you mean some other complicated integration?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ¬_¬ willing to build and test some code?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Eh.. no. Just no.
 
@melak47 FYI I am not bothering with this silly OS fight :P
 
1:34 PM
@Xeo that's a very constructive response.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Basically using it as a freely movable monitor + keyboard.
 
@melak47 what's Zune?
 
@thecoshman why don't you use a VM?
 
@BartekBanachewicz the software you need to put music and crap on a windows phone :p
 
@bamboon at work, and want to test it on a real GPU
 
Xeo
1:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Did you ever use TeamViewer?
 
@Xeo of course. It's a very nice tool.
 
@Xeo a gimped laptop?
 
@thecoshman I wasn't trying to start one :(
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Sure is, but only for very simple tasks.
 
@Xeo I wonder why would you want do to that, but still. I prefer my desk for working.
 
1:36 PM
It's Python that has while + else right?
 
@Xeo define simple. I streamed HD video through it in LAN. Also, it isn't really much different from VNC. The same purpose alltogether
 
Either that or Ruby.
 
I might be needing that actually. Baffling, really.
 
@thecoshman I might be able to test it on the weekend. Unless someone makes plans.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You actually got a decent quality out of that? Color me surprised.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Kinda, but a laptop would be too unwieldy for my purposes again. :/
It's kinda complicated.
 
1:37 PM
@Xeo yup. I would opt for a dedicated HD streaming tool though.
 
@melak47 not sying you where, but it looked like there was/is one going on
 
@Xeo what are your purposes exactly? Because it seems to be an XY problem, really.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, better then nothing :)
 
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Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Currently, what I'd like to do is control my music and watch videos without having to sit at my PC.
 
1:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit badge whore :P
 
@Xeo That's uPnP. And that's orthogonal to tablet OS. And yes, I've done that on both iOS and android.
 
user142019
@LucDanton yes also for + else.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Also, playing VNs.
 
@Xeo what are VNs?
 
user142019
But it's confusing. Don't use it.
 
Xeo
1:40 PM
The "playing VNs" part is what brought my mind to Win8 originally, I think.
@BartekBanachewicz Visual Novels
 
@thecoshman Well I'm very close to two golds!
Show us the testcase that you've been using to debug this over the past couple of days. — Lightness Races in Orbit 14 secs ago
^ that's passive aggressive
can't remember who was talking about it the other day
 
@Xeo something like very simplified adventure games? That might be indeed Windows specific. Just remember you (probably) need x86 tablet then.
 
@thecoshman Dunno, 3.2 core maybe
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Eh, do you know dating sims? Kinda in that direction, just better.
 
@Xeo that's not a very good recommendation, I'd say :)
 
Xeo
1:42 PM
lol
It's basically a book with character sprites and background images, aswell as choices.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's what I thought, because when I try to run Kyrostat at run time it says it only supports 1.4, I have checked I should be good for 3.4 ¬_¬ captain obvious tells me something is wrong
 
@Xeo. So my conclusion is - if your requirement is playing x86-Windows-specific games on your tablet, something like Surface Pro or Razer Edge is required. If it's not necessary, iPad should be just fine.
 
Default GL context is 1.x
 
@thecoshman wtf is 3.4?
 
also, can you update buildbot to pull in @ThePhD 's builds
@BartekBanachewicz a number?
 
Xeo
1:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Well, if I could decently connect to my PC and play through that connection, that also would work.
@BartekBanachewicz The Surface Pro was ~$1k last time I looked, atleast the 128GB version, right? :|
 
> Most of the reporters present had to wait for the Vatican's official translations into Italian, English and languages that people actually speak.
You sanctimonious twat
 
and entirely accurate
 
Latin's dead
 
@Xeo if you have 802.11n any decent VNC will be allrighty. Now depends if you want keyboard and mouse, or will touch be enough.
 
you ignorant bigots
 
1:47 PM
@Xeo These aren't cheap toys :(
 
:lol:
 
there is no significant body of Latin-speakers.
 
@DeadMG Aren't you people and don't you speak English?
 
They had to wait for the translations into "languages that people actually speak", because someone was speaking a language that nobody speaks? Er? DERP
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nobody important, anyway.
 
1:48 PM
@DeadMG It's very widely spoken in academia, actually.
 
@DeadMG Ah, I see.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I'd prefer touch-only, but I'd have to see how that actually works for VNs
 
@BartekBanachewicz to be fair, the surface pro is also a semi-proper laptop
 
Seriously nobody cares about Latin
Using it is counterproductive
 
Xeo
1:48 PM
@melak47 It's a laptop in tablet form.
 
@melak47 I'm not saying it isn't worth it.
@Xeo It's an ultrabook.
 
what's the screen res of the surface pro? less than 1080p? :/
 
@Xeo Hm. That would really matter depending of what you're gonna do. Point-and-click should be just fine
@melak47 I think it's full HD
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's really communication 101: When you're speaking to a bunch of reporters, try doing it in a language that a fairly significant number of people actually speak.
the only reason the Vatican speaks it is because they're too stupid to conceive of doing anything that isn't exactly the same as it was thousands of years ago
 
Must be same people that are ~embedded sphere~
Maybe it's actually Illuminati
 
Ell
1:51 PM
Hi guise
 
I can't believe I'm actually paid for playing angry birds waiting for android SDK to download
 
Ell
Angry birds s free
 
Getting paid to poop
 
@DeadMG If only that were true
 
Ell
You got punked for sure
 
1:52 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I hate that term
 
Also, TIL samsung volume buttons are reversed. Zomg.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz That should suffice.
 
@thecoshman it's correct.
 
Extra mega full HD
 
@BartekBanachewicz how? is that very limit of resolutions?
 
1:53 PM
(It's a marketing buzzword)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Were they in the opposite order before?
 
@Xeo You nearly made me install syberia again and try it on my iPad via vnc.
 
Xeo
lol
 
@DeadMG yes, that's why they do it.
derp
^someone hacked into the emergency alert system
 
there's no other reason to speak Latin
 
Ell
1:54 PM
It
 
@sehe No, I mean, usually these buttons are on the right edge, right? Now, I'm holding it horizontally, and the button nearer th edge is making the volume lower, because that's the direction of the horizontal volume display. Oh wait, actually when holding vertical they keep their functions.
 
> There are reports the hoax generated at least four calls to police to see if it was true.
 
Ell
Latin helps wothearning languages
 
@DeadMG nothing at all to do with wanting to read documents in their original form, in there original context, being able to understand there original meaning?
you never heard of the term 'lost in translation'
 
@Ell What
 
1:54 PM
@thecoshman That would only require reading Latin, not making public announcements in it.
 
Ell
Well learning a Latin based language will be easier
 
I am wothearning German.
 
Ell
You can guess words more easily
 
Ich wothearne Deutsch.
 
@DeadMG perhaps, but to best learn a language you need to be as immersed as possible
 
Ell
1:56 PM
Because you know the root
 
@Ell You can also just learn a first Latin-based language instead and use that as the basis.
 
ITT cost of opportunity
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too much work.
 
Arrgh. WTF.
 
^ That's too cute. Thanks Linked-In for noticing that I don't use the site. Ever.
 
user142019
1:57 PM
@sehe No, it's autogenerated.
 
@Zoidberg You don't say?
 
Dude totally missed the point. His workaround to make tag dispatching have the same behaviour is to reimplement part of what the library code is supposed to do in his own class.
 
user142019
@sehe Guess what: I do.
 
@sehe Hah. That's clever marketing. They found an innocuous reason to remind you that they exist.
 
Xeo
1:58 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wut
 
@sehe strange... I had one for Ireland... does that mean 50% of Linkedin users are in Ireland and Netherlands?
 
user142019
Sharper's diagnostics are wonderful.
 
Ell
@sehe you made me stop to look at that picture and the bus stopped for me :L
How embarrassing
 
@thecoshman um... no
 
@Xeo Have you read my latest post?
 
1:58 PM
that's not what it means at all
 
user142019
public partial sealed class results in unexpected "s", expecting "class". lol
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't think so?
 
@sehe "Seth"?
 
@thecoshman all it means is that there are 500,000+ users in NL, and 500,000+ users in IE
 
Well then, nevermind.
 
1:59 PM
hi all
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really? They found a clever reason to remind me that I still could consider deleting the account
@BartekBanachewicz Something the matter there?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz real-life username.
 
@sehe TIL.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ¬_¬ and with around 2,000,000 users that is half of them
 
1:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What, you thought his real name was "sehe"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no, obviously. But I didn't know the real one either.
 
@thecoshman Oh, right. :) Sorry
 

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