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11:00 PM
I'm so fed up with java -.-
 
man
 
Time to do this shit properly
sup?
 
I had to use typename std::decay<T>::type::nested_type
 
user142019
Do it in C.
 
what a mouthful
 
11:00 PM
Helpful tip: Don't mention Java in the C++ room
 
@Doorknob helpful tip: I'm here quite more often than you are. And I hate java, mind you.
 
@Doorknob You can mention it as long as it's accompanied by a thousand-page dissertation describing every way in which it sucks which is extremely myriad
 
user142019
Let’s fix the world.
 
better if it's ten thousand page so that you can detail 1/(2^32) of the suckage space of Java.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Indeed, but past experience has told be that fact many times :P
 
11:02 PM
@Doorknob that's called "the hard way"
 
Hello friends
 
@Crowz hey
 
hm, okey, our compiler might suck, but it's compiling really fast
I wonder if it was self-compiled
 
@user1690130: would you please stop filling 30% of my screen all the time?
 
@user1690130 Stop pinging him, it's quite annoying
 
11:04 PM
wtb template aliases :(
 
@user1690130 PLONK
oh, the chat is so peaceful now without that annoying green
@Zoidberg It will be in Lua, silly
 
Holy shit. aws.amazon.com/careers
80 pages
 
@user1690130 You are making this chatroom look like tetris level 1000 now... :/
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz -1 not enough hipster.
 
@Zoidberg it's not actually the most popular language ever
 
user142019
11:06 PM
Use Haskell.
 
@user1690130 you've posted that several times now. stop
 
Ell
Haskell sucks
 
@user1690130 STOP
 
@Zoidberg I actually want other people to be able to read and modify the code, so thanks
 
user142019
@Ell It does not. You suck.
 
user142019
11:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Good Haskell code is very maintainable.
 
Ell
You suck for being fooled by it
 
@Zoidberg sorry, "other non-programmers people"
 
user142019
What.
 
user142019
You want non-programmers to be able to modify your code?
 
user142019
11:08 PM
Are you crazy?
 
everyone can code in Lua. Even user1690130
 
user142019
inb4 MY CODE IS SUCH A MESS BECAUSE EVERYBODY FUCKED IT UP
 
What is plonking?
 
Ell
What is that users problem?
 
How do I put people on my ignore list?
 
11:09 PM
@nightcracker click on his nick, ignore everywhere (last position)
 
Oh there's an ignore list?!
...I'm stupid.
 
duh, it's 12PM and I finally feel productive today
 
user142019
Let’s invite some chicks to the Lounge for an orgy.
 
fuck it, I don't want to waste my creative spirit
 
11:12 PM
Is anyone having connectivity issues only to SE?
 
@JerryCoffin THANK YOU
 
@Mysticial Yes.
@Doorknob No problem.
 
@JerryCoffin ok, so it's not just me.
 
oh god, I actually have to clean my desk, because stuff is over my 2nd screen
 
My CSS is all fucked up right now.
 
11:13 PM
@Mysticial Nope. It takes forever to show up at all, and when it does the CSS is apparently missing.
 
man
one of my hairs has stopped growing.
wtf is with that
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that's what I meant.
 
@DeadMG And you noticed because...?
 
@Doorknob it was his favorite hair!
 
because it's the only hair I have that grows on any of my fingers between the second and third knuckles.
now I have no hair growing there
 
11:14 PM
Lol
err okay then
 
it's odd because I keep checking to get rid of it
 
It's his useless superhero ability
 
except now it's not there
 
@Doorknob Puppies spend a lot of time chasing hares.
 
@MooingDuck I never saw bard-mozrepl-abcdefg in that screen hot
@MooingDuck on my screen, it says i'm in: C:\Program Files\mozl. I'm sorry if I did not know I was in the abcdefg folder. I still don't see abcdefg anywhere, but I gues I'll pretend that I do if you insist that it is there.
 
user142019
11:15 PM
Man.
 
user142019
I’m so in the mood to write Haskell code.
 
today is the good night to code
codeparty.
by the way, nobody is showing up on the teamspeak
I know it was pretty obscure by the time I posted it, but still
 
user142019
If I ran a company we would work overnight and sleep during the day.
 
Ok. I'm on step 3
What does Rename your new zip archive from .zip to .xpi. mean?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Teamspeak?
 
user142019
11:18 PM
@user1690130 That the filename has changed?
 
@Zoidberg Fuckin' agree with you.
it's a lot harder to waste time playing games when there's no otherfuckers on
 
@user1690130 It means that you should rename your new zip archive from .zip to .xpi perhaps?
 
it's just easier to focus and concentrate at night
 
user142019
Yup.
 
@Doorknob Can we not use the word archive for the moment?
 
user142019
11:18 PM
Also less Facebook crap and whatnot.
 
So i hve my orginal folder
an di have the zip folder
i put the files from the zip folder into the folder
there is no .zip in that folder
 
@user1690130 Rename it from foo.zip to foo.xpi
 
user142019
Replonk.
 
user142019
 
@Zoidberg stop saying that please. i'm soooo slow. stop!!!!!!
 
user142019
11:20 PM
Extremely borked English and no clarity at all = plonk.
 
Wtf why did i have to plonk it again?
 
@Doorknob Seriously, plonk that fuckface.
 
@Zoidberg stop. i'm trying to concentrtae
 
Also, mysticial was right
 
@DeadMG don't talk to me then
 
11:20 PM
Css went bananas. I am writing on my ipad
 
go to SO proper
it should work fine after that
 
@deadmg i have created a lounge channel on my ts server
@rapptz nope
 
@BartekBanachewicz If we need voicechat, we use Mumble.
 
hm, it did for me
 
user142019
Coca-Cola is the best drink in the world.
 
11:22 PM
I suggested ts as an alternative
 
Step 6: Install the freshly created .xpi file into Firefox. For example you can drag and drop the file into Firefox. How do I do thi? Where is firefox?
 
"Spected result" What the...? stackoverflow.com/questions/14697567/…
 
Ffs, even on ie chat is broken
 
#include <math.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int main() {

    // icc prints 0.000... expected -0.000...
    printf("%f\n", fmod(-2, 2));

    return 0;
}
Any ideas how to get the correct sign in icc?
 
Wtf is -0 anyway?
 
11:28 PM
@BartekBanachewicz 0 :P
 
user142019
Negative zero exists in floating point numbers.
 
I don't really care; it's just making some tests fail and I'd love to see them pass.
 
user142019
It has impact on some calculations.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I dunno about -0. But -0.0 is negative 0 for IEEE floats.
And I actually use it from time to time to perform SIMD negations.
 
@Mysticial That sounds like a bad idea.
 
11:29 PM
A ^ -0.0 will negate A
 
Icc isnt actually the most compliant compiler :(
 
oh
 
And it's faster than A * -1.
 
does it really make much of a difference?
 
Yes, multiplication has 4-5 cycle latency.
XOR is 1.
 
11:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Benchmarks on our applications show it generally optimizes better. This is why I care.
 
hrm.
 
user142019
@Mysticial star for incredible knowledge.
 
@Mysticial Uh, float XOR?
 
ok...
 
didn't realize that existed.
 
11:31 PM
@DeadMG With SSE intrinsics you can.
 
huh
 
Who flagged that?
 
user142019
Some idiot.
 
And why flag such an old message?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Flagged what?
 
11:32 PM
@MooingDuck I got the one-line to comple
 
Absolute value is A &~ -0.0
 
Also, flags are anonymous?
 
@Doorknob Yes.
 
&~ is ANDNOT which is an SSE instruction.
 
Oh I didn't know that
 
11:32 PM
It was simple actually. All I had to do was check start and then check activate and then restart
 
10k+ users can see them, but not who made them.
 
Flagged what
 
2 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Raindrop yeah, GTFO
That one.
 
It wasn't starred or anything, so that means the flagger had to wade through the backlog.
 
11:33 PM
...
 
obviously wanted to find one that would be validated
 
Or maybe it's that @Raindrop guy.
 
OH!
 
When someone flags stuff, I always wonder why.
I mean, sometimes it's obvious.
But in this case, not really.
 
@MooingDuck the problem was that there were no quotes
 
11:34 PM
personal vengeance fits
he went out
then came back, saw a ping
flagged it.
 
That's the most reasonable explanation
 
okay then...
 
@EtiennedeMartel hello?
@MooingDuck hello? it turns out i've had the plug-in the entire time
 
Ell
face palm
 
@MooingDuck so is it back to the drawing board?
@Ell what's wrong?
 
Ell
11:44 PM
Nvm
 
@Mysticial there is a 1 cycle penalty for following a floating point domain instruction with an integer domain instruction, and 1 more on the next float op. not a big deal though
 
@doug65536 Yes there are. It's actually 2 cycles in some architectures. But there's a logic unit in the FP domain specifically to do this type of hack.
The most common use is for conditional moves where you AND/OR the result of a compare to zero or keep a value.
 
yeah as time goes on they special case better every time
 
The compares return either all zeros or all ones.
But then they are also suitable for negations, absolute value, negative absolute value. Precision truncation...
 
Ell
FYI mysticial is a world record holder so he knows his stuff before you explain to him stuff :3
 
11:46 PM
all sorts of neat things you can do to floats with just a mask and a few logic operations.
 
Ell
just saving you effort :L
 
lol
 
yeah... :P
 
given the (not so) high volume in this room, may i please inqiuire about the plug-in problem i'm apparently having?
 
oh that reminds me. @Mysticial why does this page say you got 10 trillion and 50 digits of Pi? Just wondering :P
@user1690130 Ask on SO/SU!
 
11:48 PM
fuck
 
@Doorknob Because we do have 10 trillion and 50. :P
 
Wikipedia is down
now how am I going to learn anything?
 
@Mysticial Why the 50 extra? :P
 
@DeadMG i took it down
 
11:49 PM
@Doorknob Just in case the round-off error propagated past the 10 trillionth digit.
 
@Mysticial oh, okay.
 
Then we'd still be able to claim 10 trillion.
 
@Mysticial so those fifty are potentially not accurate?
 
totally that
 
is std::vector<uint8_t> preffered over std::vector<unsigned char>?
 
11:50 PM
@MooingDuck No, they are accurate. But they were safe-guards so that in case it didn't completely pass the verification, we could still claim a smaller number of digits that was still > 10 trillion.
But in this case, it did pass the verification. All the digits that the program decided to keep were accurate.
 
it's nice to actually meet someone who knows sse lol - if you loosely define "meet" :)
 
The actual working precision was something like 10 trillion + 50 + another 50. The last 50 is automatically thrown away by the program.
 
O hey. Mysticial is around. Look what happened when I accidentally used the supercollider thing again. For once.
So now, SO is rewarding the most basic of questions that show little or no research, by hughely upvoting trivial answers. And the author gets thanked in the process for ... not explaining. (Yes, I'm envious. And yes, this is a problem for quality on SO) — sehe 4 mins ago
 
And I've never actually seen a case where round-off error propagated more than 50 digits. (not even close in most cases - it's usually only about 20 due to the sizes of the words)
 
@DeadMG en.wikipedia.org seems to be working for me
 
11:53 PM
it is now for me
 
oh ok
 
^ This strongly illustrates by distaste for "popularity contest" influences on SO. This is absolutely worhless, yes, answers have received >100 upvotes
 
@sehe If it makes you feel any worse better:
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Q: (-2147483648> 0) returns true?

benylwe all know that -2147483648 is the smallest number of integer, but it seems that it will overflow in the 'if(...)' sentence: if(-2147483648> 0) cout << "true"; else cout << "false"; this will return true in my testing. but if we cast -2147483648 to integer, the result will be ...

 
@Mysticial Yeah. Things aren't looking up for SO
 
hey, does <strike>strikethrough</strike> work now?
 
11:55 PM
@sehe gnat (from meta) and I had a HUGE discussion about the multicollider equation and how it feeds this problem.
 
hrm it doesn't seem to work
 
@Doorknob --- blah --- without spaces
 
oh!
 
What does this mean: Install the freshly created .xpi file into Firefox. For example you can drag and drop the file into Firefox.
 
@Mysticial I don't really see what purpose it does serve, really
 
11:55 PM
@sehe 89 is a sick number -.-
 
I didn't know knew that
 
@BartekBanachewicz 109 is sicker (scroll down)
 
@Mysticial you probably wouldn't expect that overflow until you wrote a compiler and realized the ambiguity between subtraction and negation
 
alright this is starting to get messed up
 
11:56 PM
@sehe Well, people want to see the hot questions. (I do too.) It's just that we have a problem with what gets on the multicollider.
 
in Java, 45 secs ago, by user1690130
Whta does this mean: Install the freshly created .xpi file into Firefox. For example you can drag and drop the file into Firefox.
 
@sehe well it at least tries to explain
 
@Mysticial I want to see the hot questions. And I do. It's called the front page, and I have the option of conveniently filtering for my favourite tags.
 
@sehe So he's probably going to make a proposal to change the multicollider equation at some point.
 
@Mysticial or: if you follow a link via the supercollider, you lose the ability to vote on that page for 12h? Preventing the snowball?
 
11:57 PM
@MooingDuck No, that hurts everyone equally.
There are things that you do actually want to snowball.
 
@Mysticial yeah, didn't think that through
@Mysticial meh, I don't see why
Actually, although it's unrelated to your problem, I think it would be a good idea.
 
snowballing x = a == b isn't what we want, certainly
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, which is why I didn't comment there. But really, the answers vary from poor to sickening. And they get more upvotes than some here see in weeks. And that's with hard-earned answers, that actually crack difficult nuts etc.
 
I put the .xpi folder under C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox. Is that following the direction?
 
For example, I have yet to see a single person complaining about my answers being overvoted. While the vast majority of the ones that hit the multicollider get all sorts of "why does this have so many votes" comments.
 
11:58 PM
@Mysticial I say: drop them. Or just the same kind ("activity ranking") as on the main page
 
@sehe Do you remember my recent rant about my answer that got 9?
 
in Java, 55 secs ago, by user1690130
how do you drag a .xpi folder into firefox?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah. Wasn't a rant. But you mentioned it
 
@Doorknob yes?
 
And my top answers all hit high on the multicollider - albeit usually with the help of Reddit.
 
11:59 PM
@sehe yea, that pretty much sums my attitude towards it.
 
@user1690130 You are kindly requested to get your business elsewhere. You are behaving like a help leecher and it's not appreciated.
 
troy and abed in the MAW-NIN
 
@sehe he is already plonked by everyone /cc @Mysticial
 

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