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9:00 PM
@jornak Well, wanna try Turkish? I have no clue why you greeted me in German anyway
 
@Chimera not yet, no
 
@EtiennedeMartel hehe.
 
@JerryCoffin Naw, it's the other way around.
reducing taxes would free up money for the rich to be richer
I mean, think about it
 
@JerryCoffin As a conservative, I think welfare is absolutely needed. However, the problem I have with it is when people stay on it when they are capable of working and being self-reliant. Able bodied people who can find work should be working, not receiving pay checks from government.
 
if you have $40,000 in profit, then if you keep it, you get only X%. But you can pay an employee all of it. So if X is higher, then hiring more employees becomes more attractive.
 
9:02 PM
@DeadMG True, but what @JerryCoffin said is the argument made everyday by the Republicans
 
i think, re taxes, we have to first realize that a common tax on everything would just be a way to change the value of the currency
not having any effect of redistributing wealth
so taxes should ideally be viewed relative to that no-effect situation
 
@Prætorian The simple counter is that they propose no reason to believe that money would go on additional employees.
whereas I suggest a simple, direct, and obvious link to higher taxes meaning more employees
 
@DeadMG No there never is any backing to that claim. And it is moronic at best. Any business will hire additional employees if it makes sense with respect to growing the business, not because they have more money than they know to do with
 
@DeadMG I have thought about it -- quite a bit, and I'm not entirely convinced in either direction. Even where taxation distributes wealth more equally, it sometimes seems to lead to the poor having a little less, the rich having a lot less, and the government itself being nearly the only beneficiary.
 
@JerryCoffin The trick is to spend the taxes in specific, worthwhile areas.
for example
 
9:05 PM
Me.
 
the NHS, in the UK
compared to the health system in the US, it's incredibly efficient
 
@JerryCoffin but in most countries the government is the agency producing the money in the first place
 
every penny you pay in tax (in the UK) pays you back twice (compared to the US)
that's a good, efficient, and worthwhile tax
 
the problem is when people's tax goes to things that aren't in the national interest.
 
9:06 PM
i think the economic system, how money goes round and round, and particularly how it enters and disappears from the general economy, is not simple
 
you pay tax but for nothing of appreciable value
that's when taxation becomes a problem
 
so i think all common arguments about taxes are simple-minded and trivially false
 
@DeadMG I'm not quite sure what that's supposed to mean. That the UK government wastes half as much money in the process of redistributing wealth as the US government?
 
i think martin gardner, with his laffer snarl curve, hit it exactly
 
@JerryCoffin What I mean is that if you didn't take these taxes, you would simply be paying for the same thing anyway, it would just be a lot more expensive.
so in the case of the NHS, you could argue that the government is the beneficiary, but in reality, the people are the beneficiary.
or, if you can imagine what a private fire service or police department or national guard
it just wouldn't work
the reality is that when you pay taxes to support your police department, you are a net beneficiary compared to if you didn't pay that money
 
9:10 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf That's more or less the point I was trying to make -- both sides fight for simplistic "solutions" that basically say "do this one simple thing, and everything will be fine." In reality, the system is extremely complex, to the point that nobody really knows the exact result of even small changes, not to mention sweeping ones. Worse, almost nobody seems willing to even attempt real analysis, because they want a simple message, not accuracy.
 
^ The laffer snarl. Shows the impact of increased taxes (horizontal) on government revenue (vertical)
 
@DeadMG Actually, at one time private fire departments were apparently the norm in the US, and from what I've been able to find, in many (perhaps most) cases it actually worked quite well.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf There you have it, the cure for baldness!
 
@JerryCoffin Then why were they replaced with public ones?
 
@sehe Oh, you're Dutch... is it @SBI that's German?
 
9:12 PM
@Chimera lol
 
and what happened to the homes of the poor?
 
@DeadMG Fire departments are still paid for with taxes. And many fire departments are volunteer, so they require money only for equipment.
 
@jornak Among others, yes
 
I mean, fire can spread across whole cities, if it's not addressed, so fundamentally, everybody benefits from the fire department and it's only sane for everybody to pay for it. Whether this is, implicitly or explicitly, contracting a private company is relatively irrelevant
 
@Chimera Volunteer firefighters receive small stipends.
 
9:14 PM
the point is that you can't as a private individual choose whether or not you want the fire department
 
@jornak Yes, but not enough to make a living.
 
@Chimera Like around here I think it's ~$100/year lol
 
so it's effectively a tax, whoever it's going to
 
@jornak Nice sentence for a dictation
 
@sehe Huh?
 
9:17 PM
@jornak "Volunteer firefighters receive small stipends (full stop)". ... - "Volunteer firefighters" ... - "Volunteer firefighters".... / "receive small stipends" ... - "receive small... stipends" ... - full stop.
Ok, everyone, pencils down, hand in your work at the door. See you tomorrow in class!
 
@sehe I honestly still don't see what you're getting at. >_>
 
we had dictation in school
don't know why
I completely forgot about that
 
@DeadMG We had that too. And I had it in conservatory :)
 
@sehe Oh. I see now.
 
dafuq was the point
 
9:19 PM
0
Q: in "for" condition my j keeps on equalling -8million sthg?

john doebool get_XY (long *GT_X, long *GT_Y, int *option, int *loops) { clock_t start, finish; double duration; int opt; int loop; /* option value meaning: 0 = do loop number count 1 = turn off loop counting, activate automated click 2 = reset */ opt = *option; swit...

 
In three years (I skipped one grade in elementary school) I only ever made one spelling error in dictations. I remember that I was really sad that day.
 
@DeadMG I've never been able to find a specific reason -- nothing like a fire that spread out of control, so the government stepped in out of necessity. In most cases, it appears that it started by established first companies getting licensing enforced to prevent competition. From there it was a short step to the government taking over completely.
 
My eyes, they burn
 
goto for_loop; mmmm...
 
Some sentences are weird and remind me of stuff like that. The sentence seemed dense, constructed and used at least two 'dictation-appropriate' words.
Oh, and it was deliered in a dry manner and without further context.
 
9:20 PM
@JerryCoffin Effective competition requires quite a few pre-requisites
but I think that one of the most fundamental is that the company needs you to buy their product more than you need to buy it, as it were
 
@jornak Perl programmer detected
 
@Drise Would it be bad practice to downvote his question just for raping my soul?
 
@jornak You can downvote for whatever reason you want.
and you don't have to explain why
 
You have a soul after that?
 
@DeadMG Except revenge.
 
9:22 PM
You can down vote for revenge
 
"These downvotes have been removed. Please refrain from engaging in malicious or revenge voting in the future."
 
the simple fact is that when you hand off important things that everybody needs to a few companies, you don't get effective competition
 
though most of the time it will be brought up in meta
 
because they can hike the price as much as they want but everybody still has to buy
 
@sehe I've never had a need to use goto, even in Perl.
 
9:23 PM
@jornak Revenge vote and revenge voting are two different things.
 
I've only ever used Goto in VBA
 
why do we even have goto
 
If your Perl code is not the most spaghetti spaghetti, you're writing it wrong.
 
@jornak I've never used goto since GW Basic.
 
In1968 Dijkstra said we should abolish it. Now it is 2012, and we still have someone asking about it.
 
9:24 PM
@Chimera Not even in perl, really. But perl has 'named blocks' and very pervasive use of special keywords (akin to 'continue': skip, next, last) that jump to specific 'implicit labels. With names blocks/loops you can effectively do exit OUTER_LOOP and stuff like that.
 
@sehe Perl is structured. No need for goto.
 
@jornak Why? On Error Goto Next doesn't count!
 
:P
 
Ugh. Tell that to YAPH
I _know_. If you look closely you'll see that in fact I didn't mention `goto`
 
@Chimera Mmm BASIC
10 PRINT "BOOBS"
20 GOTO 10
 
9:25 PM
I programmed a computer in Mine craft in BASIC last weekend.
 
The point is, special flow control and (implicit) labels are the spirit of Perl. People with a Perl background would possibly be more prone to replicate the same programming model in another language. Just saying
 
was not a pleasant experience.
 
@Drise impressive!
 
@jornak You're catching on really quick.
 
anyway
 
9:26 PM
it had a measly 64k of ram
 
the point is that when private companies prove ineffective, then government should step in
 
@Drise revenge voting is not allowed
 
and the US is being a big pile of fail by not stepping in to fix their healthcare system
and we're failing to step in on a bunch of other problems too
 
@sehe I swear that was the first thing I did on my Apple II
 
@MooingDuck It's not the purpose of the site and goes against the community goals
 
9:27 PM
@sehe Like Java!
 
@jornak :)
 
I used a named block the other day. It felt dirty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Java is much more spartan than Perl.
 
@DeadMG As I said, I've never been able to find a solid indication that there was a major problem with the previous system though. Neither licensing nor government takeover seems to have been because the previous system failed.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What, you named it OneCup:?
 
9:28 PM
@JerryCoffin I'd say that monopolies pretty much indicate failure.
 
@sehe The abomination is On Error Resume Next.
 
So long as it doesn't involve TwoGirls
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fuck. How could I forget
 
but I won't argue that government have also stepped in in many cases when they didn't need to
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Isn't ANY function a named block? O_o
 
9:29 PM
@Drise To be honest, I'll pick TwoGirls over any number of cups
 
@jornak did you go into retail yet?
 
So long as you don't put the two together with one cup
 
@jornak No, since you can't goto function name. But yeah, on an assembly level, it is usually the case
 
@DeadMG Most monopolies result from connivance, not failure.
 
@JerryCoffin Whatever the cause of the monopoly, the existence of one indicates a failure in the market
 
9:30 PM
@sehe I should have put the word "technically" in that sentence
@LuchianGrigore Erm, no...?
 
@sehe Well, if he keeps bringing it up, we won't be able to. Then nobody will be able to sleep again.
 
or rather, I would certainly view it that way if it persisted for more than a short time
 
TIL that IBM has attempted to obtain a patent for patent trolling: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/08/01/157743897/can-you-get-a-patent-on-being-a-patent-troll
 
Microsoft's IE monopoly didn't last very long
 
@jornak You still can. In fact, put it in there multiple times, to be sure
 
9:30 PM
Ok... who's the guy that was about to leave his job for his gf?
 
@sehe No, I named it outerLoop
 
@DeadMG Sort of, but usually (as in this case) it's caused by the government distorting the market, not by the market failing on its own.
 
@sehe "It is too late to edit this message"
:(
 
@mooingduck I then found out that there was a computer that instead ran Lua. I never thought I'd learn a programming language to play minecraft
 
Woohoo! 1907 rep.... 10K coming soon.
 
9:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Call it bad (breaking bad), or leg)
 
But today I repented and spent the day refactoring that code.
No more named blocks in sight.
 
@Drise It would seem like Notch learned Java as he was creating it.
 
@JerryCoffin I think I'd need to know more about the case in point before judging it, but I've rarely seen monopolies created by government intervention
 
@sehe it causes initialisation to be skipped. Btw, it seems the poster left a couple of stray instances of the letter u in his post. — R. Martinho Fernandes 8 mins ago
 
@Drise At least from the quality of his code.
 
9:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think that's right. Or at least, the standard defines the behaviour nicely (at least for non-POD's with destructors, constructors, exception unwinding and the like)?
 
@sehe The standard forbids jumping across initialization.
77
A: Will using `goto` leak variables?

Lightness Races in OrbitWarning: This answer pertains to C++ only; the rules are quite different in C. Won't x be leaked? No, absolutely not. It is a myth that goto is some low-level construct that allows you to override C++'s built-in scoping mechanisms. (If anything, it's longjmp that may be prone to this.) ...

 
I quite specifically remember reading an awful long and complex section in the standard detailing precisely how variables declared/initialized inside goto labels should be handled, optionally destructed and initialized under goto... I should find it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, if that's the case, like with switch, a diagnostic is probably required?
 
@DeadMG Then you haven't looked. Most monopolies are created by government intervention -- about equally divided between well-intended ideas that didn't work out as planned, and what were pretty clearly established players getting laws passed to protect their turf.
 
@JerryCoffin Some more modern examples?
 
@sehe Yes, it's ill-formed to do so.
 
9:36 PM
the only ones I know of are financial rating agencies
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, you'd agree that using goto does not cause UB then
 
Oh, dammit.
Erm.
@sehe There's an exception for scalar types.
You're allowed to jump across the initialization.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By the way, this indeed deals with the standard sections I remember
 
goto never causes UB.
longjmp does.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that makes sense, since you can always choose to not-initialize scalars anyway (even without goto). This is exactly my point when I said:
 
9:38 PM
The code ends up reading an uninitialised variable.
 
@DavidHammen I'd be surprised to learn the UB was caused directly by the goto's. How does that happen? — sehe 15 mins ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, goto is not to blame. The lack of initialization is.
 
But the initialisation is in the code!
It's the goto that bypasses it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would be assignment then, no? Do you mean the initialization is not done/seen on second pass?
(I'll quickly read the code now)
 
@DeadMG At one time in the US, just about every reasonable size town had a rail system, much like in Europe. The automobile companies saw them as a threat, so they launched intensive campaigns to destroy them, often by making them either outright illegal, or so restricted in the name of "safety" that they couldn't operate profitably. In fairness: yes, some they just bought and dismantled. The majority was done through laws and regulations though.
 
Is there a rule that requires a definition to agree with previous declarations? And if so, for what meaning of 'agree'?
 
9:40 PM
@sehe If opt == 0, the code will not initialize j, and jump to cout << "counter to number of loops: "<< j // ...
 
Or, since a definition is a declaration, how should successive declarations agree with each other?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, like I said, the variables are not initialized, which is the real issue. They are assigned but only in some codepaths. Whether or not goto is used, really doesn't matter much (except demonstrating the complete lack of code principles in the OP)
 
@JerryCoffin How did they manage to get that to pass? Never happened here in Europe.
although I guess that actually, we had rail before cars, but the other way around would still apply
 
@LucDanton Definition of what? Variable or function? For a function, it'll just be another overload, as long as the disagreement forms a new signature. For a variable, overloading isn't allowed, so disagreement will be an error.
 
@JerryCoffin I mean relating to the same entity.
So disregard overloading.
 
9:44 PM
@sehe Well, David said "you are invoking undefined behavior with them." I think it is correct.
The codepaths where the variables are not assigned can only exist with gotos.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Might as well have said "you're invoking undefined behaviour with your variables", or "with your switch" (arguably more relevant) or "with your function"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. Gets out monocle. I can't really be too tired lazy to spot that, can I
 
Ell
Ahh sixth form is too difficult!
 
There's no other way to skip initialisation of a for loop variable.
 
@DeadMG Various and sundry -- corrupt politicians were almost certainly a major factor. There were some accidents, the effects of which were blown thoroughly out of proportion as well.
 
Ell
I have the required grades for my subjects so why can't I do it! Grrr. I'll be shush now
 
9:47 PM
@JerryCoffin Doesn't really seem like a government-specific problem, I mean, corrupt CEOs and whatnot have also done fairly endless damage over their time.
 
@Ell What's that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh my. Agreed. Why on earth would the code be written like that. Next time, I'll read the actual code. I had just remembered "goto is an exception/RAII safe language construct". Turns out that, if you do incredibly crazy shit, you can make it break (unsurprisingly).
This seems like the equivalent of "sawing of your foot, just in order to be able to shoot it with the lead gun of your own tank"
 
Ell
@rmartinhofernandes I am struggling at school (although it is only the first week and apparently everyone feels the large jump between gcse and a level) and I don't understand why. e.g. I got a* at gcse maths, the entry requirement is a yet I am still struggling
 
@Ell i know the feeling bro :L
 
So I still don't know if there's a rule that says that successive declarations must agree (and if so, how), but I figured out how you complete an array of unknown bounds: you redeclare it!
 
Ell
I took maths and further maths yet I can do arithmetic. Wtf was I thinking?
I think an a* just gave me false confidence
 
@DeadMG Government officials tend to be more open to bribery because government positions often carry far more influence than pay. In many cases, being part of the government also leads to a sense (justified or otherwise) of being more likely to get away with wrongdoing.
 
@Ell there certainly is a big step-up
 
Ell
@lordaro they have told us that but I swear other people don't seem to be feeling it
 
@Ell "seem" is the operative word
 
9:56 PM
@Ell etiher they are the sort of people who get good grades naturally, or they are just hiding it
but then, tell that to the girl in my class who got 298/300 at AS :3
 
Ell
Jesus :L
 
(not wishing to brag, but i myself got 272)
@Ell that was my response also :)
 
Ell
Congrats :)
 
ty
 
Ell
Are you doing a2 now?
 
10:00 PM
AAABB certainly weren't bad if i may say so myself </notmodest>
 
@JerryCoffin I don't really buy that. Government officials have to publicly justify their positions, it's on record, and they have to get voted in and out. Whereas a CEO can just issue orders and keep it quiet no problem.
 
yeha
 
> Halliburton defensive? Buhahaha. This is Dick Cheney's outfit, they believe the best defense is to kill every human in a country then rape the resources. -- Can You Get A Patent On Being A Patent Troll?
@LordAro IQ 272? Impressive
 
@sehe :P i wish :P
 
10:01 PM
@sehe obviously not
 
@MooingDuck Well, it'd obviously be impressive :)
@MooingDuck Hi btw
 
@sehe hi
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah I just found you the link :)...
 
> After all adjustments of types (during which typedefs (7.1.3) are replaced by their definitions), the types specified by all declarations referring to a given variable or function shall be identical, except that declarations for an array object can specify array types that differ by the presence or absence of a major array bound (8.3.4). A violation of this rule on type identity does not require a diagnostic.
 
@LucDanton ouch. and cv-qualification/alignment perhaps?
 
10:03 PM
I don't think so.
 
> A method of swing on a swing is disclosed, in which a user positioned on a standard swing suspended by two chains from a substantially horizontal tree branch induces side to side motion by pulling alternately on one chain and then the other.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes which idiot approved that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the point to the claim? What is the innovation?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just posted that on Facebook and it says it was posted "46 seconds ago near Patchogue, NY". It's wrong by almost 3000 miles. :/
 
damned patent law...
 
10:05 PM
@DeadMG It's pretty easy to justify lots of things -- establishing/protecting a monopoly is nearly always done in the name of protecting the people. Destroying peoples' rights is for their own protection and security. These happen on a regular and ongoing basis.
 
> These methods of swinging on a swing, although of considerable interest to some people, can lose their appeal with age and experience. A new method of swinging on a swing would therefore represent an advance of great significance and value.
 
> Method and apparatus for making a drink hop along a bar or counter
^ Now that's useful
@R.MartinhoFernandes They should have patented sexual positions involving/on the swing, being sure to word it covering same-sex, opposite-sex couples and groups
 
As far as I understand the patent only covers swinging sideways and in oval shapes.
 
It's a Wicca thing
Or the patent was issued from the Oval Office
 
Also, TIL Apple tried to argue that “a tap is a zero-length swipe.”
Is everyone gone crazy all of a sudden?
 
10:09 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Brilliant! Judge didn't buy it though
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it's when a developer is 'promoted' to Patent Information Specialist
That page is a treasure trove of fun!
> Eating counter apparatus for mobile vending vehicle -- This guy must have been sitting around with a hotdog cart, a park bench, and a welding torch, and decided he needed to patent something using only these three things.
 
@sehe What page?
 
I reckon it would be about the same page you were looking at finding the swing?
 
stoul that foar facebouck
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The insanity is this: most patent offices run at a profit (i.e., support the rest of the government). Most of that profit is not from patent filing fees, but from "maintenance fees" -- i.e., once you're granted a patent, you pay to get it, and pay more to keep it. Most patent offices, therefore, are under constant pressure to grant as many patents as possible (and you should be happy -- doing so reduces your tax burden). It's then up to the courts to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
10:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you obviously have the entire EU, US, China and Japan patent bases indexed by the various taxonomies employed in different jurisdictions :)
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Steel a dicktio nairy too
 
That rarely happens though, because most such patents are simply filed to boost somebody's ego, and they'll never take anybody to court for infringing.
 
@JerryCoffin The balancing exercise is that tying up courts isn't cheap, is what you're saying?
 
@JerryCoffin /such/ patents :) Nice choice of words there
 
@sehe Man you're right. I can't stop laughing.
 
10:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Star it. For great good!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes tl;dr, choice excerpts/pixx?
 
@LuchianGrigore Someone hoped to make a lot of money/bitcoins, I suspect :)
@LucDanton scrawl up
 
@LucDanton I'm not sure there's really much of a balancing exercise -- the last time I checked, the number of patent suits didn't correlate very closely with the number of patents granted.
 
@LuchianGrigore Bitcoin's probably better off without his contributions, don't you think? :)
 
10:18 PM
> Mouse device with a built-in printer - The title is pretty self-explanatory. Yes, it takes very small paper. Maybe it could serve as a label maker -- that's about all I can think of.
 
@Prætorian c'mon. I bet he'll make great contributions... :D
 
@Prætorian This one is from a patent for "Animal Toy", which basically describes... a plastic stick.
 
@sehe You underestimate my laziness. But more seriously the tl;dr is the link, not the chat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Method for chopping wood patent?
 
Once he learns the difference between PHP & C++
ooooops, I said the P-word again...
 
10:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes wtf is 10? The act of throwing?
 
> Just a brown man trying to make a life for himself in a world made of ivory.
Oh god :))))
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^ I love that part
 
That patent has more pictures (it has 34 spots marked)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well how cool are you! You replied to me before I asked the question!
 
@LucDanton Clearly, Thor's hammer
 
10:20 PM
@LucDanton Apparently, 10 is the toy itself.
There's a very exhaustive description of all the 34 spots.
 
Right. So that we're not confused that the stick is not an illustrative background, but is part of the patent.
⇜10
 
Useful stuff. Let's reduce the breadth of the claim as much as possibly, just so we'd be sure we could never accidentally limit any competitor in it's freedom to develop a better toy!
 
> Method of stopping a stolen car without a high-speed chase, utilizing a bar code
 
> The method of providing user interface displays in an image forming apparatus which is really a bogus claim included amongst real claims, and which should be removed before filing; wherein the claim is included to determine if the inventor actually read the claims and the inventor should instruct the attorneys to remove the claim -- here
 
> Method of exercising a cat
 
10:23 PM
@Prætorian You made that up
 
No, it's in there
 
jawdrop it is.
 
> Pet display clothing -- A wearable Habitrail! This is a system of tubes that you can wear around, while your hamster crawls around in them.
 
> In 1993 the USPTO issued this patent for using a laser pointer to exercise a cat (yes, by moving the laser pointer beam around and having the cat chase it).
 
@Prætorian Make it a high-energy laser beam for added points
 
10:25 PM
@sehe Mmmh, looks like there's a story missing here.
 
@sehe Yeah, that'll definitely get the cat running
 
@LucDanton See link/ yeah, must have some history
 
I mean that I'm trying to figure out how this came to be. Antagonized whoever was in charge of filing by not paying?
 
If I have a class A that overloads operator new(size_t sz), is there a neat way I can call that and provide my own sz value, besides void* buf=A::operator new(sz);new(buf)A();?
 
> Stud Spectacles
> Eyeglasses that don't need a frame because they attach to body piercings on the face.
 
10:26 PM
@LucDanton It says (on the index page):
> If you are a patent attorney or inventor, you have to read Claim 9 -- hillarious, though perhaps not intended to be. Submitted by Angelo Castellano
 
@MooingDuck Custom placement operator?
 
@Prætorian Markdown fail
 
Trying to get flexible array stuffs?
 
I guess someone did get payed but didn't care for that still lol.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is there a way I can write A* ptr = new A()(sz) or something?
 
10:27 PM
new(sz) A().
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, does that work? I thought it would invoke placement new on the size parameter or something.
 
Make it void* operator new(size_t usual_size_param, size_t your_explicit_size_param).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes er, I'll just wrap the placement new in a function I guess :/ I don't think my coworkers will go for that.
 
Well, you do have to pass the information somewhere.
 
> Method of playing a bowling game -- This is basically bowling like it is today, but changing the scoring system to "eliminat[e] the unfair advantage of scoring consecutive strikes with a multiplier effect"
 
10:30 PM
@sehe Is it really that easy to get patents from the USPTO?
 
> A kit and method that converts dog nose smudges deposited on a first surface into a form of dog nose art on a second surface.
 
@Insilico No, I wouldn't think so. But yeah, there are very ridiculous low points...
 
@sehe I hope so. Perhaps it was just a lapse in judgement.
The "Patent Acquisition and Assertion by a (Non-Inventor) First Party Against a Second Party" patent application is amusing.
 
@Insilico That's what got this thread going
 
@Insilico The whole thing seems like a two-century-long hoax.
 
10:32 PM
(To be fair it's not a patent yet, but it's still amusing)
 
Last Friday at work, were discussing the patent wars currently being waged and someone said that one day someone would patent patent trolling. It's interesting to see how we were not visionaries.
 
So would it be a "meta-patent"?
 
Has someone tried patenting an apparatus to file claims of first inventions, granting a monopoly to the claimers?
Wait! Forget I said anything.
 
we should patent the patent process
 
@MooingDuck You will hear from my lawyers.
 
10:37 PM
@LucDanton Are they that loud?
 
@MooingDuck I would like to see someone file a patent on filing patent applications regarding the patent process.
 
OMG, where is this going.
 
@Insilico Damn! I need to buy a license.
 
Last time I thought I had a good patent idea...
Jul 25 at 21:17, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Me and a friend of mine, we invented what we thought was a genius pizza cutter, and two weeks later we saw something thousands of times simpler that worked better, on some restaurant.
 
> Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit v3.0 - A toolkit for deploying and configuring security mitigation technologies (not bad either)
 
10:38 PM
@Insilico Yes and no. Undoubtedly easier than it should be, but keep in mind that what you're looking at here is a truly minuscule percentage of patents. 40 patents over the course of ~20 years, during which about 4 million patents have been granted in the US makes about .001 percent of all US patents (also ignoring plant patents, design patents, etc.) Even so we're being generous, because some of these are only applications, not granted patents.
 
Aren't those rollers state of the art? Not that I'm well versed when it comes to pizza technology.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, that was it. We felt incredibly dumb. Our idea involved very elaborate mechanisms.
 
@JerryCoffin True, which is why I mentioned that said patent trolling patent was an application.
 
@sehe Why would I want to mitigate my security? Or is my command of the English language failing me?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Aw. If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!
 
@LucDanton Exactly my thought. I imagine the user going "Oh, I really loved the mitigation experience using the newest Windows software"
 
10:40 PM
Obviously this should be 'security fumigation technologies'. Just like fumigating helps against termites. (Does it?)
 
We were really fond of the idea, because we spent about two hours discussing and fixing its shortcomings.
We missed the forest for the trees, or in this case, we missed the pizza for the extra cheese.
 
Damn, now I'm hungry.
 
@LucDanton Many pizza places use something even simpler: a big curved knife with handles at both ends. You "rock" it from one end to the other to do a slice -- cheap, simple, no moving parts to wear out, and quite a bit faster than a roller (but probably more expensive, just 'cause it's bigger/uses more metal).
 
Two whole hours! Imagine the money that could be made, repaying all the research that went into it
@JerryCoffin More or less a classic cheese blade
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, I've seen those too! Never in action though.
 
10:42 PM
@sehe Yeah, pretty much (but I think a cheese blade is probably thinner).
 
Why not patent a pizza-slice sized pizza? Who needs cutting!
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, we saw that one recently, too. We didn't even bother commenting it.
 
@LucDanton I think they're called "individual pizzas".
 
@JerryCoffin I'm pretty sure it's not, since (some) cheese requires considerable force to be cut
 
@Insilico Well, not every individual pizza fit in my mouth. I've tried.
 
10:43 PM
@LucDanton At least in the US it was recently ruled that a patent has to involve either a specific machine, or a transformation in matter.
 
@LucDanton Wait. What.
@JerryCoffin Method for cooking pizza-slice sized pizza!
 
@sehe Could be -- I'm pretty sure I've never really seen a cheese blade up close and personal, so to speak.
 
@JerryCoffin What bucket does slide-to-unlock fall in?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Some are too big.
 
10:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Presumably the specific machine. At least some of Apple's patents vs. Samsung were "design patents", which are a completely different situation (really more like a trademark than a normal (utility) patent.
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, ok.
@sehe You missed it.
 
Wokay
 
Say, do your native languages have a word for 'open sandwiches'? Does the English language for that matter?
 
What's an open sandwich?
Or is that a verb?
 
Don't know the notion
 
10:47 PM
One-faced sandwiches, if you will. I think I've seen 'open-topped sandwich', too, although that one doesn't appear on Wikipedia.
Pick bread, put stuff on it.
 
@LucDanton Not a single word for it in English, but "open face sandwich" is pretty widely accepted (at least assuming you're talking about stuff piled on bread, but not another piece of bread over the top).
 
Cabriolet roll
 
@LucDanton We just call them "bread with X", where X is the topping.
 
@JerryCoffin How weird is that that the English language doesn't have a specific word for it? I find it spooky. But then again there's a word just for that in French.
Anyway, I'm making me some. Too many talks of food.
 
@LucDanton That's common in lots of languages. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamihlapinatapai
 
10:50 PM
@JerryCoffin just noticed that the right search term conjures up way more, better images of classical cheese knives: google.com/…
 
@Insilico Yeah but I eat those every other day. It's convenient to give them a name.
 
@LucDanton So come up with one and keep using it.
And hope that enough people use it that dictionary makers pick it up.
 
If the Wikipedia page is reliable 'tartine' is already a borrowed word.
 
@LucDanton Yes, but French has "L'Academie" (I've probably misspelled that) with the charter to make up new words as needed so that French remains "pure" and doesn't pick up words/phrases from other languages just because the right word doesn't exist in French yet.
 
Perhaps toast is more popular?
 
10:54 PM
I would just call it an "open sandwich". It's somewhat obvious what an "open" sandwich looks like even to people who haven't heard of it.
 
@JerryCoffin I mean from a historical perspective. How many generations of English speaking people have referred to just one piece of bread with stuff on it?
 
@LucDanton I wouldn't be surprised if people just called them "bread with <stuff> on it"
 
@LucDanton Well, it's supposedly named after the first Earl of Sandwich, from around 1660, so at least a couple of generations...
 
@JerryCoffin I expect tartines to outlive that though. Maybe I should look into that.
 
@JerryCoffin Missing an accent as expected.
 

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