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12:00 PM
Oh wait, it's abstract.
Wait, what?
Whaaaat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope, it's an excerpt. I removed unhealthy doses of weepworthy comments (in Dutch).
 
I've heard it said that most programmers aren't very good. Is this generally true? Do most code bases suck?
 
It's a singleton base class :) Aren't you glad now?
TBH the code quality varies, but we have (had) a number of Space Architects around.
 
Or is it that we are biased to liking our own code better?
 
I keep having fun deleting misguided double-checked locking, and fixing bugs because someone though ReaderWriterLockSlim was obviously better (but doing it wrong. On non-performance critical code. Sic) etc.
 
12:02 PM
@Chimera most I've seen suck.
 
@Chimera Yes and yes
@Chimera And yes
 
then again, it's very hard for any reasonably sized codebase not to tend towards 1 in the direction of suckiness.
 
@TonyTheLion true, as the code gets older and older and pressed to do what it was not originally designed to do... well the law of entropy ensues...
 
@Chimera Code bases suck for even more than that. Legacy of 'deprecated' programming techniques, mixing code styles by different people, quick hacks due to time pressure, ... .
 
@KillianDS Oh god, some of the shit I've seen... would make even an angry ape cry.
And I could see how it all started out very nice... but started turning to crap as time went on.
Code Decay <-- feels like there is some joke there
 
12:06 PM
@sehe How is it even supposed to work? There's no GetInstance or anything.
 
never thought I'd still have to deal with a .com file
wtf
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bet in the OnStart() the _instance is getting RS.Marshal()-ed or registered as a wellknown remoting service... That's about the gist of it.
 
@sbi ah, but you seem be misguided as to what those large, almost 5" diameter, pipes down the sides of houses are for. They are guttering pipes designed to collect the rain water as it runs of the roof and direct in a controlled manour into either a drain pit or the sewers. So whilst they might get a light frosty coating, it will be washed away once the rain starts in. Like @DeadMG and myself have clearly said many times, there are no houses, that we are aware of, that are stupid enough...
... to have their mains water supply router through pipes exposed to the air
 
@TonyTheLion You do? entry point 0x0100, int 20h to exit. But mov ah,4ch; int 21h is more modern IIRC :)
 
12:11 PM
@thecoshman I don't think they're what he's talking about
The rest of the world has those too ;)
 
sbi
@thecoshman Mhmm. I am pretty sure I saw otherwise, but that's 15 years ago, so it could be my fault.
 
@sbi correction, I know of one building in London that has all it's service pipes router outside the main building as some sort design feature, though I would assume they wear smart enough to insulate sufficiently
 
@sehe ah man, the hardest part about that is remembering the interrupt numbers and what they do. :P
 
@thecoshman And maybe even slightly heated in the winter.
 
I remember coding assembly on Linux, where I had remember the syscall numbers. ugh
I was playing around with buffer overflow exploits, FYI
 
12:14 PM
@TonyTheLion No need to (int 9 - raw keyboard, int 10h - video, int 16h - 'cooked' keyb, int 23h - abort/retry/ignore service (IIRC)) - there's google
 
sbi
@thecoshman I was talking about small houses, suburban or rural style, for one family.
 
@thecoshman sbi is right, there is plenty of plumbing running on the outside of houses in England
 
@TonyTheLion you're officially Cool(TM) now
 
@sehe heh. Cool.
@sehe lol
 
– not guttering pipes, but much smaller ones
 
12:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes speaking of WTF code...:
Frankly, I can't be bothered to find out. Your question is tagged c++, and therefore I don't feel there is any need to dig through that maze of C-level code. Even in C, you'd just use strdup anyways.... — sehe 10 mins ago
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph So you have seen that, too?
 
it might be waste pipes, like from showers or toilets, yes I am sure this is what you are thinking off
 
@sbi In Cambridge it’s pretty frequent, yes. Not the norm certainly but common enough
@thecoshman That’s what I’m assuming as well, actually
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Ah, Ok, so it's not my memory playing tricks on me.
 
@thecoshman Is that a veiled attempt of saying he's thinking shit?
 
12:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol! yes
 
@all: gutter, sewer, drain, plumbing - there, use at appropriate times, please
 
@sehe water pipes... :P
 
sbi
OK, so what I remembered was this (that's in New Zealand, though), but what google found me was only this (Oxford). So I might indeed remember wrong.
 
@sbi still 404 on both
 
404 on both
 
sbi
12:22 PM
Interesting. Works when I put the URLs into the address line, fails if I link.
Mhmm.
 
link to article?
 
sbi
That's the first one, in NZ.
And that's the second one, in Oxford.
 
yeah, waste pipes
for things like sinks, toilets etc.
 
sbi
"So I might indeed remember wrong."
 
a lot of older house have them, because they pre-date being clean and not shitting in a pit
 
12:25 PM
@thecoshman The rest of Europe has old houses too, and we don't have them :)
 
@sbi that's ok, I can see how you might mistake them for mains water
 
I think it looks hilarious :D
 
@jalf it's a lazy solution
 
sbi
@thecoshman I can't.
 
I don't think America is even old enough to have pipes on the outside like that.
 
12:26 PM
@jalf when done that badly it is
@sbi then why did you :P
 
sbi
@jalf That's for granted. But then, British bathroom plumbing looks like it's from the Victorian era anyway. And it "works" as if so, too.
 
@sbi Depends on the bathroom.
 
@sbi well, flushing toilets are from the Victorian era, your welcome btw
 
sbi
@DeadMG I was talking of that one bathroom, what's it called again? Ah, the average British bathroom. That's the one I was talking about.
 
@thecoshman plumbing
 
sbi
12:28 PM
@thecoshman Yeah, I know. However, what you seem to not to know is that, in the rest of the world, plumbing has evolved since then.
 
@sbi I expect that the average British bathroom has been replaced in the last hundred and thirty years.
 
@sbi They must have taken inspiration from the industrial revolution
 
@DeadMG but seemingly, it has been replaced by another one which worked as if it was 130 years old
 
@sbi what more do you need then 'shit in a pipe and let some else deal with it'?
 
@thecoshman Some people like to shit in a pipe and then deal with it themselves!
 
sbi
12:30 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, it has. And still it comes across, from look and from usage, as if it were Victorian.
 
A flush toilet is a toilet that disposes of human waste by using water to flush it through a drainpipe to another location. Flushing mechanisms are found more often on western toilets (used in the sitting position), but many squat toilets also are made for automated flushing. Modern toilets incorporate an "S", "U", "J", or "P" shaped bend that causes the water in the toilet bowl to collect and act as a seal against sewer gases. Since flush toilets are typically not designed to handle waste on site, their drain pipes must be connected to waste conveyance and waste treatment systems. A flus...
 
@DeadMG I am sure it has its charms
 
@sbi Some were designed that way. But my experience of British bathrooms indicates few Victorian bathrooms amongst them
 
@sbi And dentistry. :-)
 
anyone here using multi monitors?
 
12:31 PM
@AmadoMartinez I have 5
 
sbi
@AmadoMartinez Yep.
 
shiiii 5?
 
@AmadoMartinez yep, flight simulator
 
@AmadoMartinez duel at work
 
Duel? With swords? Is your code compiling?
 
12:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Grammar Nazi!
 
@DeadMG I think the key here is experience with non-british bathrooms. ;)
 
@sbi yeah, a lot of bathrooms still have a high cistern of the Victorian style, and the shell shaping was popular for a long time
@R.MartinhoFernandes Duel as in 'duel wield'... wrong word?
 
@thecoshman Really? Wow.
 
@thecoshman You probably mean "dual".
 
I would have thought they would have been upgraded by now.
 
12:34 PM
and the separate faucets for warm and cold water?
 
@Chimera Well, Victorian's where able to build shit to last, so it has not yet needed to be replaced, look at out fucking London underground.
@R.MartinhoFernandes TIL
@jalf through back to not being able to make mixer taps, and we are not as bad as people like to make out.
 
@thecoshman It is hilariously bad, yes. :)
 
A lot of these older things are simple because 'they work' combined with 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
 
@thecoshman A duel is a fight. Dual is two.
 
@thecoshman I figured they would have been upgraded to work better and use less water...
 
12:35 PM
so dual screen, dual wield, etc.
 
Not that they would be needing it
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
@R.MartinhoFernandes TIL
 
also #%§! apache
 
@thecoshman "build shit to last" was a peculiar choice of words given the topic.
 
@Chimera you seem to be failing to grasp 'they work'
 
sbi
12:36 PM
@thecoshman So now you're down from "you are wrong!" to "you might be right, but it's Ok!"? Meh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so it is, coincidence I assure you
 
I think we're nearing an understanding of why this state of affairs exists...
Denial and pride seems to be major components ;)
 
I'm sure that shitty toilets exist in all nations
 
@thecoshman No I grasp that, but I thought perhaps they'd be replaced with more modern, water conserving toilets that are all the rage now.
 
12:37 PM
@DeadMG You can dual wield pistols in a duel.
 
@DeadMG sure, but they're nowhere near as common in most other countries
 
@sbi about pipes out side the house? Well, you had lead us to believe you believed they where mains water pipes which would freeze come winter, which is wrong, they are waste pipes which, whilst odd, are just fine in winter.
 
Shall I mention squat toilets?
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, I already admitted that I must have been wrong there. We were now talking about, and you were replying to, bathroom interior plumbing.
 
Aug 3 '11 at 0:36, by Martinho Fernandes
I never want to go to China: http://www.banterist.com/archivefiles/000348.html
 
12:39 PM
@Chimera bah, show be a water conserving toilet, and I'll show you a toilet that can't handle a good shit
@sbi ah yes, the old 'two tap problem'. Yes I think they are inferior to a mixer tap, but a lot of house still have them (like my own bathroom) and just use it, especially when they water out the one is just fine any way... unless the hot water has been running through it... in which case was fast
 
sbi
@thecoshman So now you're down from "you are wrong!" to "you might be right, but it's Ok!"? Meh.
 
I seem to be unable to use a mixer tap. Those things only have two temperatures: too hot or too cold.
I always take cold showers because of that.
 
in my experience, showers in general have that problem
I personally require a quite specific temperature in order to survive a shower
 
Good Morning Everyone
 
@thecoshman lol
 
12:43 PM
@sbi I never denied the existence of the two tap system :S
 
@DeadMG 85.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333?
 
@DeadMG @R.MartinhoFernandes HEATED POWER SHOWER!
 
@thecoshman I'd rather save energy and not boil myself to death.
 
@Chimera You forgot to add e and pi, then integrate the quantum waveform of hydrogen and re-normalize according to M theory, then divide by the value of the electronvolt.
 
@DeadMG :-)
 
sbi
12:45 PM
This is the height of British plumbing. (I bet those are new ones!) I am sorry, but no matter what you say, this is pathetic. I remember those being replaced at my granny's, in the early 70s. (and that was on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, remember.)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they can maintain a temperature setting. I often go for rather cool showers, so not much power is used. Do you shower with just the water from the mains supply with out any heating at all?
 
I must be careful to make the shower not too hot, or I'll be so comfortable that the shower will last for half an hour or until all the hot water is gone.
 
@sbi What's wrong with them? They look new and shiny enough.
 
@thecoshman Yes. Showering with any heating at all means showering with boiling water. There's no middle ground.
 
I mean, the tap design is the least important aspect of plumbing
 
12:46 PM
@sbi British plumbing is terrible. 'Nuff said.
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@sbi yeah... I think exist still because of 'if it works, it works'
@R.MartinhoFernandes get a better shower :P
 
@thecoshman but why isn't that true for, oh, every other country on the planet?
 
@TonyTheLion I can shit just fine thank you very much
 
@DeadMG Actually, they look a bit rusty.
 
The average shower here in the UK has hardly any pressure on the water.
 
12:47 PM
Only in the UK is it considered "good enough"
 
@jalf stiff upper lip
 
@thecoshman I'm talking about all showers I've ever tried.
 
heh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Think that's just the camera angle.
 
sbi
@DeadMG See, that's the attitude that lost you a world-encompassing empire.
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12:47 PM
whereas in Belgium, you get quite a nice comfortably high pressured stream of water
 
@jalf heated pumped power?
 
May I say that in the U.S. our plumbing is actually quite nice?
 
@sbi Naw, what lost us a world-encompassing empire is that we treated our underlings like shit so they all revolted.
if we had just been fair to the Americans when they were still Englishmen, they'd still be Englishmen today.
 
@sbi no, we lost it due to namsy pansy guilt
 
@DeadMG you don't think they'd have eventually revolted over the plumbing?
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12:48 PM
Zing.
 
lol
 
@jalf they'd still love it, as a true Englishman
 
@jalf haha
 
any of you UK living folks with O2 for anything?
I've had nothing but trouble with these guys.
 
12:49 PM
You're not talking about oxygen, are you?
 
I think the dumbest of the dumbest must work there, especially in customer services dept.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm talking about a Mobile Phone network provider and ISP
www.o2.co.uk
 
@TonyTheLion no, but I hear they are not that bad to deal with
 
@thecoshman well, I can't say so far that I've had anything but horrendous service.
 
So my dogs are nowhere to be found, that is until they hear me open a bag of chips. Now they won't leave me alone.
@TonyTheLion Oh, you mean Mericans? :-)
 
@Chimera They're dogs. What you expect? :P
 
12:52 PM
@TonyTheLion I think I need to add in 'relatively' into what I said
 
@Chimera No, Europeans in this case
 
@TonyTheLion My brother had mobile from O2.
 
> need to ass in
lol ^
@DeadMG hmmm
 
@DeadMG Yep, dogs will be dogs.
 
mobile has been the best part yet
 
12:53 PM
@Chimera Also, that's a sign that you feed them too much.
 
it's mainly their broadband/telephone line
 
@Chimera dogs be dogging?
 
doggoned
 
@Chimera Your dogs like chips?
 
@TonyTheLion They suck for that, AFAIK
we usually get interwebs from Virgin cable, if possible, or BT.
 
12:53 PM
@DeadMG You don't say?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep.. especially Cool Ranch Doritos/
 
or Sky
 
Not sure if BT are any better.
Can't speak for Virgin or Sky
 
@DeadMG Yeah, they are spoiled. We know we shouldn't give them human food.
 
@Chimera ¬_¬ wait, are we talking chips or crisps?
 
12:54 PM
@Chimera you give them humans to eat?
@thecoshman crisps obviously
 
@TonyTheLion Only Europeans though.
 
@thecoshman wut? Crisp, chip?
I'm not sure of the distinction...
 
@Chimera sigh, Americans... I can accept you have different words for things, but for fuck sake will you get to grips with the idea that you are not canonical
 
@Chimera Crisps are what everyone else calls what you call potato chips.
 
sbi
12:56 PM
@DeadMG So you insist on your cables being virgin, huh? Shakes head. And that from a two-tap using horde...
 
in the UK, a chip is a manly slice of potato, kinda like a french fry but much bigger and thicker
 
Whatever happened to @daknøk?
 
they are disgusting!
 
@thecoshman Did I say my understanding was the only correct understanding? I was simply expressing my lack of knowledge of the European meaning of chip and crisp.
 
@Chimera English Crisp = American Chip. American Fries can be English Chips or Fries. We tend to make the difference between chips and fries, chips being fat and fries being skinny
 
12:57 PM
He got chipped up.
 
@sehe school happened to @daknok and he has seemingly found a way to enjoy himself without being in this room. I guess.
 
Nah. That can't happen
 
har har
 
Ok got it, crisp = American chips, chips = american fries
 
@Chimera and I was proclaiming frustration at Americans lack on knowledge that other parts of the world have different names for things
 
12:58 PM
> I am a beginner to MFC VC++
 
@Chimera No.
 
how unlucky
 
fries are fries.
chips are much bigger and thicker
 
@thecoshman I think my question made it clear that I know other parts of the world use different words.
 
@Chimera except we make a difference between fries and chips. Fries are skinny feckers, chips are big fat ones
 
12:59 PM
@DeadMG ah got it.
 

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