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17:00
@CatPlusPlus but I mean - if there is an error in the code, it still can't do the right thing can it - it only does what its told
Be happy you have lambdas. You could have be writing Java right now.
@Ell Many implementations of rm require user input when rming /.
Even with -f.
@Ell It's a "less code, less failure opportunities" thing.
Ell
Ell
fair enough
17:01
Maybe ftw!
@Ell What if you don't handle the event? I'd think an exception would make more sense here.
There, it's working. Time to eat.
In Objective-C, calling a method on nil just returns nil and does nothing else. xD
Obj-C sucks.
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I know.
Objective-C is a strange language with strange conventions.
17:05
@CatPlusPlus that's... strange
Which gets better performance for IPC --- CreateEvent or CreateMutex?
For synchronizing access to a file.
A memory-mapped file to be specific.
@sbi Yeah, we (and Norwegians) use ø. What are we talking about again? :) /cc. @ManofOneWay
Ell
Ell
Bøkmal!
@IDWMaster This isn't a question of performance, but of which provides the right semantics. At first glance, it sounds like a mutex is probably what you want (or a ciritical section, if all access is from threads in a single process).
@jalf Are you hiring any people at your company atm?
17:07
Basically I want to notify the process when a message is written to the file, and then the process will read the message from the file that has been posted
This candidate has Lounge<C++> seal of approval. – Cat Plus Plus yesterday
lol
@ManofOneWay Yep
It's raining! :D
Ell
Ell
No its not! :o
@IDWMaster Okay -- that sounds more like an event fits the bill.
17:08
@jalf Do you have a website? =)
@MooingDuck You mean awesome.
Also bawww, we missed message #4000000.
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lol
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15 hours ago, by DeadMG
@EtiennedeMartel why?
@CatPlusPlus it... I... I wouldn't say "awesome"...
Why not?
It is awesome.
17:10
@ManofOneWay We do indeed! ;)
@CatPlusPlus alright, it's awesome.
Wait, it's not Haskell but it is awesome? I agree with the duck's first opinion, that's strange.
Lemme see if I can find the job ads
Wow, this guy really loves IEEE754 floating point!
17:12
I've seen some members of the IEEE754 committee around SO. Maybe he is one too?
I assume he would have mentioned that in his profile if he were.
@FredOverflow Not surprising. His website is about binary logic.
@RadekdaknokSlupik That should give you some insight into how incredibly super awesome Haskell is: compared to it, even awesome stuff like PyPy is crap.
@RadekdaknokSlupik I read a couple of articles already, it's really interesting (assuming you find floating point interesting, which I do).
I hardly ever use floating point, but I might read that website later.
I'll bookmark it.
17:14
@RMartinhoFernandes Come on, Haskell doesn't even allow ++i, how awesome could it possibly be? ;)
@RadekdaknokSlupik floating point, not floating pointers :)
@FredOverflow Wanna bet?
How do you measure the awesomeness of a programming language?
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@FredOverflow Don't say you never stored a pointer in a float.
auto foo = 42;
auto *bar = &foo;
auto baz = (double)(intptr_t)bar;
// floating pointers!
17:15
Still doesn't compile.
@FredOverflow Very carefully.
Needs a cast to integral first.
user784668
Waddafuck?
I hardly ever cast pointers to floating point numbers.
user784668
17:16
PyPy is fast.
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But it doesn't support Py3K :(
@Fanael I've gotten to the point that the phrase "X is fast!" can almost make me break out in hives.
Y is faster than X.
@JerryCoffin nop is fast.
17:18
Z is somewhere between the two, but closer to Y.
I don't know about W, but I have the impression it's even slower than X.
That's not very intuitive. Home come Y is not in the middle of X and Z?
No, I'm not making any sense.
@FredOverflow Argh. That did it. Now I have to find something to stop the itching! How could you be so cruel?
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@RMartinhoFernandes It's not hard to be faster than X. X is well-known to be slow, as it requires IPC calls. A lot of them.
@JerryCoffin You could try xchg eax, eax ;)
17:20
@FredOverflow Precious clock cycles! All wasted!
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@JerryCoffin But PyPy is not fast, it's fast.
@Fanael You can read all about it in the X files, I guess?
nop is used for alignment, right?
@Fanael How about fast?
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17:20
@RadekdaknokSlupik Sometimes.
// Goat sacrifice for GCC <- actual comment in my code.
Behold my mad artistic skills.
@CatPlusPlus You're amazing!
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@CatPlusPlus You forgot PHP.
@ManofOneWay bah, they used to be on linkedin, but seems like the expired. Ah well, at the moment, good C++ devs, who are familiar with some of the following: Boost, Qt, C++11, Linux, Windows, OpenGL, iOS or some other stuff
17:21
@CatPlusPlus qq dropbox blocked at werk.
@Fanael It's behind C.
@CatPlusPlus C is negative infinity awesome? I like C for what it is :(
@Fanael You need to uncrop to see it.
@Fanael I didn't say exclusively. :)
0x90!
@FredOverflow Do you remember when AMD had to intentionally slow that down because their processors were optimizing it out, and Windows was crashing because it used that as a delay?
@JerryCoffin never heard of it
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@RMartinhoFernandes lol, what's the code?
@RMartinhoFernandes lmfao @ goat sacrafice
@RMartinhoFernandes <3
@RMartinhoFernandes Whoops, I clicked on a link that wasn't for me!
17:23
@FredOverflow It was, now that I think about it, quite a while ago -- around the time processors broke the <strike>sound</strike>300 MHz barrier.
@Fanael Some stupid and redundant way of doing something simple that GCC won't accept for no reason at all. Basically, it adds one level of indirection and GCC shuts up about it, somehow.
Every time I program in C, I feel like I've traveled back in time. You cannot even return a string from a function without getting a headache.
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@JerryCoffin It was, now that I think about it, quite a while ago -- around the time processors broke the sound 300 MHz barrier.
That's what happens when you travel backwards in the awesomeness spectrum.
@JerryCoffin I remember that time, my first PC hat 33 MHz.
17:24
@RadekdaknokSlupik Stupid morkdown strikes again.
@FredOverflow struct String { char* str; size_t size; size_t capacity; } and write string handling functions.
OOP in C!
@RadekdaknokSlupik Yeah... or just ditch C and use std::string instead :)
Also C++ would be closer to 0 if it had a logo.
Ditching C is the way to go.
17:26
@FredOverflow Children nowadays. My first computer ran at 1 MHz (assuming you don't count the programmable calculator I had first).
@CatPlusPlus what if the logo is a 1x1 white pixel?
Java is C++'s logo.
All those unofficial C++ logo's look horrible.
17:27
@JerryCoffin My first computer ran at 0.985 MHz, I win.
@DomagojPandža it's the first result on my search
@FredOverflow :-)
@MooingDuck Then it's crappy and gets penalty to awesomeness.
My first computer ran at ~2GHz. 3:
c++'s logo should be template<C>PlusPlus
Ell
Ell
17:28
@RadekdaknokSlupik agreed
I had 90MHz or something.
C++' logo should be a picture of Torvalds puking.
@johnathon You mean template instead of typename, right?
Ell
Ell
The first thing I went on had 16mb of ram iirc
typename is amazing.
17:28
^ C++'s icon
Ell
Ell
naah
C++ ain't that hot.
"Burn, C++, burn"?
@FredOverflow was in the process of editing it
@DomagojPandža Gosh, no, typename is annoying.
17:29
Let me design a C++ logo.
^ C++ logo
lmfao fred
@FredOverflow Is that an SBRM?
C++ logo would be some disaster.
17:30
I'm getting confused. Are you talking about logo or Icon?
@RMartinhoFernandes It's a launching missile, probably caused by undefined behavior.
@JerryCoffin These days in time you cant have one without the other
Logo is a dialect of Lisp?
17:30
win
@MooingDuck win
That's the C logo.
@MooingDuck That's C's logo. Make it shotgun and you get a cookie.
and reusable
@DomagojPandža Do you have one with a shotgun for C++?
ah damn
17:31
@DomagojPandža Yes -- for C++ you need a much more powerful weapon...
@RMartinhoFernandes I did a google search for "foot shotgun" and immediately had to stop, my stomach couldn't handle those images.
Here. C++' new logo. Featuring type T!
@Ell My first two computers had 32KB and 64KB of RAM. My first PC had 4MB which was absolutely incredible at the time.
Mad Paint.NETting skills incoming.
17:35
:)
@CatPlusPlus Yup, sort of. Emphasis on "dialect" though.
@RadekdaknokSlupik nice, but not funny
Not nice either. It's ugly as hell. :P
Ell
Ell
@FredOverflow and what are your current specs?
Ah, the good old times when memory was counted in kB.
17:36
Why did you guys insist on buying such crappy computers?
I kind of feel guilty with 16384 MB of RAM.
I'm gonna make myself a 16GB PC soonish.
Getting the oven hot?
Not enough materials.
@Ell 2x 1.8 GHz, 8 GB
@DomagojPandža Simon Peyton-Jones started programming on a machine with 100 bytes :)
17:38
Why not just program in his own brain?
100 bytes... I can store that many chars in my head.
I guess I have the crappiest specs of everybody here. :P
Someone remind me to remove all these TODOs from my code before I commit. //TODO Ask Andy WTF he was thinking here.
C++ logo
266 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
17:39
@MooingDuck Hmm, looks familiar.
266 GHz, very nice!
Need more pentagrams.
@MooingDuck Shouldn't that be 0 instead of 42 because of value initialization?
@FredOverflow Who says B doesn't have a default constructor?
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@FredOverflow B has a default constructor.
17:40
oh :)
B inherits from 42.
Okay, enough wasting time. Time to get to work.
So B is-the answer?
B is-a the-answer.
@MooingDuck POP!
17:40
B is-a Mario.
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B has-an answer.
@RMartinhoFernandes My first computer was roughly contemporary with the (then new) Cray-1 -- the fastest machine on earth, at a whopping 80 MHz! (but with a price tag of $1 million mid-1970's dollars).
To an unknown question.
bb | !bb   // that is the question
@DomagojPandža but also hotter than hell.
17:41
bb ^ !bb
bb ? bb | !bb : bb ^ !bb
@JerryCoffin Did you get the units of the money backwards there?
two bieber or not two bieber?
"To be or exclusively not to be, that is the question". Lovely.
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@CatPlusPlus Never. Never I say!
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17:42
bb / !bb
Okay, enough work. Time for procrastination.
@MooingDuck I got it redundant, but not backwards that I can see.
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@FredOverflow Enough what?
bb || !bb is either True, False, or FileNotFound.
@FredOverflow Maybe soon, but not just yet...
17:43
@JerryCoffin well, is it worth 5million now, or 1 million now?
@RMartinhoFernandes XOR makes moar sense, because you can either be or not be but not both!
@Fanael You know, nerd stuff that you get paid for.
@CatPlusPlus You're a cat. You can certainly both. Just find a box.
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I'm all out of boxes.
Schrödinger had some in his old apartment.
17:44
$ cat schroedinger
file not found
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@FredOverflow Yeah, sure.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We're making fun of you, right now. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
@MooingDuck Worth nearly nothing now. Too power hungry to be worth turning on.
It's a regular starfest out here.
You're going to push my awesome chart off the grid.
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Bastards.
17:45
@FredOverflow Filesystems that don't allow Umlaute suck.
@CatPlusPlus With your help!
Have you discussed the moderator elections yet? Anybody willing to participate?
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@RadekdaknokSlupik Do you know any?
@FredOverflow @awoodland is in.
I gave our seal of approval to @awoodland.
17:46
I want the puppy to be a mod.
@RadekdaknokSlupik I instinctively don't use Umlaute when communicating in English.
@FredOverflow I'm willing to vote, if that's what you mean. I quit on moderating long before SO was invented...
@RadekdaknokSlupik That is a terrifying idea.
@RadekdaknokSlupik I thought this was to elect a moderator, not an inciter.
17:48
Granted, SO might be better off with more inciting and less moderating, but...
My filesystem allows anything but / and NUL.
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@RadekdaknokSlupik Filesystems that don't allow '/' and '\0' suck.
@RadekdaknokSlupik I don't
@Fanael Pretty sure CP/M didn't allow it -- and what CP/M didn't allow, you don't really need.
Who needs Unicode on filesystems.
It only complicates stuff.
17:50
@Fanael Having issues?
@Fanael Allowing / causes ambiguity, and allowing NUL makes it a real pain in the ass for C developers. This is a Unix system, you know.
@FredOverflow That's quite clever :D
Unicode is really good at complicating stuff.
Stupid people who have invented all those characters.
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@RadekdaknokSlupik So? You can disallow them in the VFS, the filesystem proper isn't the right place to do that. There are systems that are not *nixes, you know.
17:51
Hangul everywhere!
@RadekdaknokSlupik Stupid characters who have invented all those peoples!
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@JerryCoffin I won't star this starbait! I won't! I… okay.
Hangul is the only true alphabet.
You all suck.
@RadekdaknokSlupik How can be it be a true alphabet if it doesn't have (at least) alpha and beta?
user784668
17:53
@RadekdaknokSlupik Ёу аре вронг.
@CatPlusPlus Especially you.
@JerryCoffin It has jamo that are pronounced like alpha and beta are.
(Jamo are similar to letters.)
Is this some fictional crap?
I really need to not lurk here while a professor is discussing UML. My snikering is in no way appropriate to the lecture at hand, and I'm getting funny looks for it.
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@RMartinhoFernandes It's the Korean alphabet.
17:54
Ah. Seems not. The idea of renaming the concept of "letter" smelled like something from crappy fiction.
@Drise Ask him to name one use case of UML.
@Drise UML is overrated. You'll learn more hanging out in the lounge, laughing at my puns.
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@RadekdaknokSlupik The most prominent use case of UML is teaching it.
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If I want a class diagram, I grab piece of paper and draw some boxes with the class names in them and draw arrows between them. No need for a formal language like UML.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Ranting on Lounge<C++>.
@RMartinhoFernandes It's how people in the future speak.
17:56
@RadekdaknokSlupik I write a class definition in a .h file.
My god, it's full of stars.
UML is not a formal language.
@MooingDuck Yeah but you know, sometimes it's handy to have an overview of everything you have. Class definitions don't really help there.
It's semiformal.
UML is blargh.
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17:57
@RMartinhoFernandes Starfesty starfest is starfesty.
I need to leave before I burst out laughing
UML is like FML, but more U-y.
You know the problem with UML? Not enough stars.
Well, gotta go for a while. I just fed them yesterday, but the kids insist they need to eat anyway...
@Drise Yes it would be very inpolite to burst out laughing in here.
17:58
@RMartinhoFernandes We're all made of stars.
@JerryCoffin If you give in, they're never going to learn self control!
@EtiennedeMartel Moby <3
@SamDeHaan Self control is overrated. Besides, they do knew a bit of Hangul (or at least a few words of Korean...)
I seem to have the immense inability to install VS2012 RC...
Hangul is easy to learn, Latin alphabet is not.
17:59
Beating pandas with a cactus is so underrated.

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