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12:02 PM
{total, weak, partial}_{less, greater} are finally live /o/
 
hmm I have to see if I have a table saw in my garage
that could make some things easier
hmm the guy who made this control panel desk for his son simply used screws and bolts
maybe I could just take thicker plywood
and do that as well
like if I had 12mm for example
he also had this kinda modular chassis
> it took a few spreadsheets to track the connections
I love how he did illuminated panels tho
 
Ell
12:20 PM
What exactly is it you're building?
 
My mother apparently does not like me balding.
 
woah
this is complex stuff
@Ell a control panel
 
She bought me some sort of coffein shampoo.
 
I didn't realize there's so many steps to make PCBs
I think I'll stick to breadboards and prototype boards
 
12:29 PM
that looks like a totoro bus
 
lol
it looks like a potato
 
This is pure gold:
"It is very disheartening to see feminists in our movement act exactly as MRA’s and other anti-feminists claim..." https://t.co/AbCXd2LAuX
 
I don't really get it
 
@KretabChabawenizc lol
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz you can do it in less steps if you want
Skip the photoresist
And just etch copper clad boards
Oops wait
I mixed solder mask with photo resist :P
Nvm
 
12:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, though you can always do dead-bug style if you are too cheap for any prototyping board. I recommend not using a breadboard for permanent devices (soldering is the way to go)
The cheapest way to etch is to use a sharpie marker. But I don't like etching so much; I'd prefer protoboard or to jump all the way to CNC milling
 
@Mgetz Replace dog with Tesla car and its essentially the same process:
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welp, apparently you can buy ready prints for 1zł / 1cm^2
ooor the whole set to do them costs 34 PLN
not super expensive
with 15 boards included
oookay
 
@BartekBanachewicz For 1 unit? Better make sure your design is correct from the first try. :)
 
@wilx for at least 15 I guess
 
Ell
I think its not worth home etching anymore
There are lots of cheap prototyping shops
 
12:47 PM
yup
I found a guide in polish that's much easier though
 
i think i found the error
there doesn't seem to be a c++ include directory in my compiler :|
that should hold the mutex declaration
 
Morning
 
Morning
Fresh beer in hot afternoon is love :3
But I'm seing my grand-mother in about two hours, and my grand-mother is even more love <3
4
 
1:12 PM
@Morwenn Drink a beer with your grandmother?
 
Well, I'll surely drink a beer there too, but she's more into rosé.
Like her own mother was.
 
Sure, you have beer, she has wtv else
the point is why not both? :P
 
Totally both.
But not too much for I shall drive.
 
Drink wine, not beer
Kids these days
 
You arrogant fuck :D
 
1:15 PM
Beer is basically dirty water
Trust me, I used to make beer with my friends
 
Who cares as long as it's tasty and enjoyable?
 
It's an insult
To alcoholic beverages
 
Your arrogance is an insult to humankind.
 
I'm joking, I actually don't care
But I drank too much beer this month
 
Do I look serioous? ._____.
 
1:19 PM
And my belly is round basically
Classic beer belly
 
Ell
Beer is goid
 
And I feel like there's fermentation going on still
I don't have these issues with wine :(
 
Beer belly is a myth :o
Otherwise I'd be a balloon.
 
It's really not
My belly grows about twice as much by just drinking 1l of beer
and then dissolves in about 3-4 days
 
Ell
Well some beer is full of gas
 
1:22 PM
ye
 
And some glass is full of beer.
 
I prefer vodka, whiskey, or rum. I don't like beer or wine much but they're nice from time to time
Anyways, now that I stayed up refactoring code, I'm off to bed. I thought you might like this one Morwenn:
 
nwp
I recently got some licor 43. Pretty good stuff.
 
@Aaron3468 Vodka, whiskey and rum are too hard spirits.
You can't drink much of them reasonably.
Well, that is my position. Not that it is anything wrong if you like them. :)
 
@nwp Clicking that link and getting greeted by an age gate hiding a woman's body.. looks a lot like a porn site
 
nwp
1:33 PM
its not, they just want you to buy sexyfied alcohol
should I remove it?
well, too late anyways
you can delete it if you want, it is not important
 
That full album whose link has disappeared isn't bad.
 
1:49 PM
any ideas?
 
7 messages moved to bin
nope.
 
user406009
@Ming Ming, the correct room is chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/116940/c
 
user406009
@Puppy I think we should just move them all to that room instead of the bin.
 
sry whats the difference?
 
user406009
@Ming That room is the question room.
 
user406009
1:51 PM
This room is the fuck around and not talk about C++ room.
 
lol. ok
 
user406009
It's sorta a dumb distinction, but I don't make the rules.
 
Ell
2:26 PM
I wonder if I can make a cassoulet in a slow cooker
 
definitely^
 
ugh. at least it's dead
 
@Ell damn I'm hungry now
 
@StackedCrooked holy crap this is grossing me out. Not sure if it's just a cultural or normal human thing but damn. That tarentula...
 
2:37 PM
hehe
 
guys how do I make a function in C++
 
@Nooble Write a C++FunctionFactory (in Java, obviously).
 
@JerryCoffin Agh reminds me I have to take AP Computer Science as a course next year, and that it's Java.
 
@Nooble Geeze--sorry 'bout that.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I'm not sure if I'm hungry or just bored
 
Ven
2:44 PM
Heyo
 
@Ell Do you make your own cassoulet?
 
@JerryCoffin I suppose it can't be too bad.
 
nwp
@Nooble if they tell you that you shouldn't follow Jerry's advice and make a FunctionFactoryFactory first instead then it is
with some bean in there
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I've never made one. Or eaten one. But I'd love to make one
And subsequently eat it :P
It looks so delicious
 
I've only eated canned ones.
I still like it :D
 
2:50 PM
There is something about slowly cooked meals that really stimulates the palate
 
Ell
I fancy doing one with a lamb shank
I don't think lamb is traditionally used but
I love a slow cooked lamb shank
You know what I'm gonna do it
 
you're gonna fuck a slow cooked lamb shank?
 
fucking hell
 
@Puppy man, the meat is sooo tender you'd do it as well
 
Ell
@Puppy don't be silly, I'm not Welsh
 
2:56 PM
nice
 
Ell
Okay I found a can of beans that went out of date in 2009
And cans last ages
I wonder when they were bought
Oh bollocks. Its 16:05 and a Sunday.
My dreams have been shattered
 
harhar pwned
my local Tesco is 11am to 5pm instead of 10am to 4pm
stupid sunday trading rules
 
Ell
Yeah its so stupid
There is a coop open until 22:00 but its a teeny shop
 
that's what gives it the right to stay open
 
Ell
Yeah :/
 
3:20 PM
Hey guys
As a person who's been writing C++ for a few years now (as an academic) I'm wondering if there are some job positions for C++?
 
no.
 
Is C++ dying? Losing it's value in the job market?
 
We hope
 
huh?
 
What confuses you?
 
nwp
3:23 PM
@JohnJohn most people here hate C++ and only stay for ... not sure why actually, they hate the community too
 
why are you hoping that C++ would lose it's job market.....
 
@JohnJohn It really all depends on where you live. For example, where I live, ratio of C++ job openings to Java ones seems to be like 1:5
 
@JohnJohn Because it's an awful language
 
@milleniumbug that's..... awkward.
 
your face is awkward
your question is awkward
I wish you'd just go away
 
3:25 PM
@milleniumbug I mean why would people stay at a lounge where they hate it's community
 
nwp
@JohnJohn it is very hard to tell and a very long process, but it currently doesn't look like C++ will die any time soon
 
@JohnJohn We love each other, not C++
 
@nwp Thanks.
Yeah I've been wondering that. Why don't people like C++?
 
Why do you like it?
 
@JohnJohn It's a long story, but the underlying issue is that for most people the more they know about it, the more they hate it because they're aware of its annoyances
It's a rite of passage
 
3:28 PM
it’s because C++ smells and dresses poorly
 
well it's really flexible. Before C++11/14 it was a chore really. But contemporary C++ is really usable and fun. C++17 will hopefully come soon as well
 
muh modulez
 
After RAII everything felt..... right. She's the one you know...
 
@JohnJohn And then you learn template metaprogramming and after struggling for a while, everything feels... powerful.
 
There's a lot of typing which I don't like. But I want my pointers, const objects as parameters (unlike java)
 
3:31 PM
And then you attempt to write a template that is supposed to take an arbitrary class template as an argument and you start crying.
 
Ell
I think c++ is very fun but it has many flaws
 
Even with the new C++97 it's behind 20 years to most other languages
 
yeah. Actually STL sucks because of backwards compatibility. But still......
 
Ell
It's outdated compilation method really makes it feel old
 
@Ell you like dynamic compilation don't you
 
3:31 PM
@JohnJohn Surely you mean the standard library, because STL is either (1) a person or (2) an ancient library...
@JohnJohn He means the lack of modules.
 
patience....
 
@JohnJohn What's dynamic compilation?
 
Ell
@JohnJohn you mean JITing?
 
I mean lambdas were introduced what in 2012?
 
Ell
I do happen to think JITing is neat, but yeah I was talking about the lack of modules
 
3:33 PM
That gotta be at least 10 years behind most other great languages
Even Java has always had a better compilation system
 
@Ell I know you so well <3
 
well I've never had any issues with the compiler. Sure it gives out idiotic messages time to time. And you don't know why it's complaining. But it's better than run time errors
 
Since '93?
That was 20+ years ago
 
@JohnJohn aahahhahhahahahhhahahahahhah
If you haven't seen an ICE on at least three compilers, you're not yet a C++ programmer.
 
Ell
@Griwes <3
 
3:34 PM
Mark my words. :P
 
Also clang is a great compiler.
what is ice
 
Until it isn't. :P
 
Let alone the crippled grammar which is such a mess that nobody in their right mind would even think to start writing a compiler for it
 
BTW, did you guys know that Clang finally fixed that everstanding bug
 
@Griwes yay I'm a C++ programmer
 
Ell
3:35 PM
I've only ever had 1 ICE on one compiler :3 and I don't remember which and it was ages ago :P but I wouldn't call myself a good c++ programmer really
 
lol this place is like %80 trolling %10 genuine and %10 meh I don't care
 
I'll try to find it if my internet doesn't drop because the middle of a forest.
 
The funny thing is that currently nobody is trolling
 
yep
 
yeah
 
3:36 PM
tbh I've seen more ICEs on clang than on MSVC, but then again on MSVC I pre-emptively dumb down my code, and I have much expecations from clang.
 
anyway why don't you like C++
 
I guess you tend to see what you want
What have I been talking about for the past 15 minutes?
 
Ell
@JohnJohn no modules :(
That's a big complaint ATM from me
 
I don't get why people are so eager on this
can't you compile into a lib / dll right now?
it = your code;
 
What's your point?
 
3:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apparently Clang fixed this annoying bug (only on trunk, though, didn't make it into 3.8).
 
That if you can do stuff with it then it's good?
 
sure, if it's all the stuff that I need
 
I better remember to update my slides about that bug in my slides for CppCon. :D
Otherwise I'm sure there's going to be an LLVM member in the audience to point out it's fixed already. :D
 
@JohnJohn right
 
what more do you want lol
 
3:42 PM
Do the thing that I want do with it easily and in a more readable fashion thanks to better language constructs and a simpler grammar.
And that doesn't even touch the tools.
You can do things even with some assembly language, doesn't mean it's a good fit in 2016
 
May 10 at 20:33, by milleniumbug
➜  ~ cat a.cpp
#include <iostream>
#include <tuple>
#include <random>
#include <algorithm>
#include <functional>
➜  ~ g++ -std=c++11 a.cpp -E > out
➜  ~ ls -lh out
-rw-r--r--. 1 milleniumbug milleniumbug 2,2M 05-10 22:33 out
 
lol
Oh yeah, let's talk about compilation times.
They are awful. The end.
 
well C++ is verbose. Makes it tedious but "easy"? Your task determines your difficulty. I mean do you lack certain libraries or what?
 
That's not verbosity, jhc.
 
What other languages are you familiar with
 
3:45 PM
That's dumbness of parsing and analyzing the same code over and over again.
OTOH the main problem with compile times is templates really :P
 
Not much. Java, php a little. Suck @ phython etc.
 
I've been amazed by a simple UEFI app that I wrote and that didn't use templates really, with its instant compilation times. :D
kek "phython"
 
That's your problem
Go out and explore
Try some Lisp, Haskell, Rust, D
Even Scala
And then come back and tell me you like C++
I dare ya
 
Eh, none of those really makes me dislike C++ frankly.
Each one of those has something important missing.
For me the thing that makes me dislike C++ is... C++ itself.
I guess it just comes with time and experience with the more arcane parts of the language. :P
 
So you think C++ has nothing over those languages? Like no advantages whatsoever
 
3:48 PM
The advantages it has are not good enough for most situations
Everything is a tradeoff and C++ has very unusual and field-specific tradeoffs
 
@Shoe For me it's more about their disadvantages and less about C++'s advantages. :P
 
I don't know precisely but I'd estimate that something like 95% of programs written in C++ don't really need to be in C++
@Griwes Nobody asked
:P
 
I've hated matlab more than anything. Typeless languages aren't for me. Kind of hate the auto keyword in C++ as well. Has it's uses, but it's a hell to use / read code written autos all over
 
auto doesn't remove types
 
@JohnJohn okay, so you hardly know any C++ at all.
 
3:51 PM
Also none of the languages I mentioned are inherently "typeless"
 
no that's separate issue from matlab....
 
Yes most Lisps are dynamically typed, but some aren't
 
Good to know (though it'd've been better a while earlier in this discussion. :P)
 
@Griwes I never claimed to be an expert.
 
No, but you claimed to have some knowledge. Implicitly. :P
But if you associate auto with dynamic typing then eh, that disappears.
 
3:52 PM
I'm glad I haven't met you irl : )
I didn't.
 
@JohnJohn do you even know how auto works
 
auto is about type deduction
 
...... yes guys it was just an example of what I don't like
 
If it was dynamic typing, statements like auto x; would compile
 
@JohnJohn Because you dislike people judging other people for their lack of knowledge (and their mistaking their wrong view on something for knowledge)?
 
3:53 PM
Does anybody have some chill music compilation I can borrow
 
I mean if the library you're using is updated (return type is changed etc) auto updates the types without you doing anything etc. but usually it hinders readability.
for me.
 
@JohnJohn You shouldn't care about the specific type a variable has, only about its interface.
 
@Griwes I'm sure you like to prove yourself to other people. I'm keeping my ego in check. Also I try my best not to judge people.
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Also did I say that "Stranger Things" is 2spooky4me
It is
 
@JohnJohn Eh, I don't need to prove anything to anyone.
I just tend not to be delicate when calling bullshit out. (Because it serves no purpose.)
 
3:56 PM
@JohnJohn I came in here and read nothing but this one message.
 
If you two don't stop bickering I'm gonna start heavy TMP compilation on your ugly ass computers
 
I already read some contradiction
 
@Griwes I will take anything when you have something useful to say. Regardless of who you are or who I think you are. Let's move along.
 
@JohnJohn Here's something useful: be humble when someone tells you you are wrong about something (like in this case of you making a connection between auto and dynamic typing).
 
lol griwes
A lounger telling someone to be humble without any hint of irony
 
3:58 PM
Hey, I am humble when someone proves me wrong.
 
Comedy gold
 
I don't care about being right or wrong. Telling some1 that they are wrong is useless. Talk about the task at hand and talk about humbleness in your next life :)
 
eh
 
Ell
I believe the correct term is humbility
 
Telling a person who's wrong that he's wrong is useful.
@Ell silly Brits trying to steal the language back
 
3:59 PM
I have to celebrate you bby, I have to praise you like a shoe
 
@Griwes you need to read a book or two on psychology.
 
@Ell a trick for remembering that is that it oozes out of the humbilical cord
 
@JohnJohn no thank you
 
Ell
@LucDanton that is lovely imagery
 
I have enough bullshit when just dealing with people pretending to be computer scientists <3
 
4:01 PM
Life must be a bitch for you : )
 
Ell
@Griwes that's what I like to do
 
Oh boi
Is this ever gonna end? I feel the need to drink
 
@JohnJohn Life's pretty good right now.
 
Apparently not
An headache is growing on me
 
I shouldn't have responded negativity with negativity.
 
4:03 PM
Maybe that advice was missing from all those psychology books.
 
Go get your troll 'o meter checked
 
nah I was being serious if you meant me
 
It gives false positives and doesn't ring when it needs to
 
@JohnJohn Judging completely clueless people generally makes me not have to deal with them later on, usually; and being helpful to people who show some promise makes me only have to deal with them later on (which is beneficial for both parties).
 
Jul 12 '13 at 12:05, by sbi
> In C++14 you just write auto auto(auto auto) { auto; } The compiler infers the rest from context. — @berkus
 
4:04 PM
auto auto(auto...) { auto; } perhaps?
auto mobile;
ha ha I'm funny
 
> Martinho, we've sent your application to the recruiter
(...)
Your CV and covering letter (if you applied with a covering letter) are attached to this email.
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lolwut
 
@JohnJohn And detecting when to do what and being adaptive in some situations yielded me the results of my, err, personal live gaining a part that was missing for a while (and also yielded in that part of it trying to convince me, against the fact that I'm trying to explain her that that's not how it really is, that I'm one of the nicest persons she's ever met, lol).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
So no, I don't think you can shrink me into believing I told you something I should feel sorry for telling you. :P
 
c++ = php with auto stuff
 
4:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lolwat
 
not you too
 
This is the weirdest recruiter email I have received.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I failed all of my sscce’s :(
 
@Griwes I don't think you need to deal with anybody really. Trying to control people have made me miserable for so long. Also I've been pleasantly surprised by people that I thought were hopeless. Judging people made me closer minded. So I've stopped doing it.
 
Which do you prefer?
@JohnJohn I'm not trying to control people! I just persuade the ones I don't want to deal with away from me. vOv
 
4:08 PM
18:08, the bickering is still going on. More at 23:00
 
So, in addition to the four other people in Portugal and one in Brazil named Martinho Fernandes that utterly fail at typing their email address, there's now another one in Goa.
 
@Griwes Yeah any advice, especially bad ones are gold. A chance to improve oneself. But telling people that 'they suck' hardly helps. With the added bonus on receiving a negative response. Not all people have thick skin.
 
@JohnJohn Also as I said it, don't try to shrink me. :P (You might've had a chance before mentioning psychology at all. :P)
 
I swear, I'm the only smart person with my name.
 
@JohnJohn People without thinck skin should grow one ASAP, because the world is much, much more unpleasant than I am.
 
4:09 PM
Lounge<Humility>
 
@JohnJohn "You're wrong" is not "You suck", and you shouldn't take shit personally like that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how would you notice all your homonyms that don't mishandle their e-mail?
 
Lounge<auto>
 
@LucDanton Hehe.
 
18:10, no sign of bickering stopping. NATO is requesting a meeting
 
4:11 PM
And the one in Goa is a complete idiot who can't even make a proper CV.
 
18:12, "bickering in the lounge is obviously attributed to them dirty mexicans" says trump
 
> Sir i am looking for job in uk
 
@JohnJohn also, there's been a message from your friendly Footwear explaining how you're wrong, and a message from me explaining why auto actually improves readability, because you stop caring about types (that you most often shouldn't care about).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "so you hardly know any C++ at all." would've been an insult to you if you were on the receiving end.
 
@JohnJohn Is it untrue?
 
4:12 PM
@JohnJohn Only if I prided myself on knowing a lot of C++.
 
lol how is this discussion useful exactly.
 
When people tell me I don't know anything about cooking I... well, nod.
 
18:13, "we should be more welcoming to newbies from around the world", says hilary
 
@Shoe you should start doing standups
Shoe C.K.
 
also why should I not care types? Especially important for numerical values
 
4:14 PM
18:14, #stopthebickering trending on twitter
 
> Fire Ants Are Being Laced with Homosexual Chemtrails to Bite Christians And Convert Them To Homosexuality
 
The interface is all that matters. In the vast majority of cases.
 
18:15, ISIS claims responsibility
 
I only see two problems 1) Typing more than necessary 2) Manual intervention if the interface changes.
what else
 
18:19, "this is clearly a showoff of patriarchal power" says major feminist proponent
 
nwp
4:19 PM
@JohnJohn Don't go there, C++ has a ton of issues.
though I agree that it is sad that so many here are so jaded
 
18:20, ferguson riots
I need to sleep
 
nwp
10 Shoe messages moved to twitter
 
@JohnJohn Your code not compiling because the deduced type's interface changed is better than your code compiling accidentally because of an implicit conversion to the explicitly specified type. Also auto makes you type less, so I have no idea what your (1) is about.
 
nwp
5:20 PM
I don't understand why qt creator thinks it is ok to use gcc when I explicitly told it to use clang :(
maybe I should try to get used to some other IDE instead of beating on Qt Creator
 
You see, you telling it to use clang is one thing, it needing to come to terms with this new situation development is another thing
 
nwp
it directly supports clang, it is not like I'm forcing it to do things it is not meant to do
unfortunately it tries to use clang++ which I don't have, and my attempts to make it use clang++-3.8 instead have failed
maybe I should just sudo symlink and curse myself in a couple of months
@sehe found some vim-foo you might enjoy
 
Is discord broken for everyone or just me
 
nwp
5:35 PM
@milleniumbug works for me
 

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